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how can one man go through and flip five or six waves of security? how can we have another man get on an elevator with the president with a gun? how can all these breaches happen? we want to know. we want our president protected. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. >> it's here. and this is "hardball." ♪ ♪ good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. one of the world's most terrifying diseases has reached u.s. shores. the cdc has confirmed the first ever case of ebola diagnosed here in the united states. i've got some questions i'd like answered tonight, especially after the president said this just two weeks ago. >> i want the american people to
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know that our experts here at the cdc and across our government agree that the chances of an ebola outbreak here in the united states are extremely low. in the unlikely event that someone with ebola does reach our shores, we've taken new measures so that we're prepared here at home. >> we've reached that unlikely event as of today. here's what we know. an individual traveling from liberia to the united states was tested positive for the disease. they're currently in strict isolation at a hospital in dallas. the patient, an adult male, arrived in the u.s. on september 20th. a week ago he began developing symptoms. on sunday he was admitted to the hospital. president obama has been briefed by the cdc which held a press conference today to disclose the case. the doctor said health officials were taking swift action to prevent the spread of the disease. he says they have identified everyone the patient may have
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had contact with while infectious and they're confident it will not lead to an outbreak here in the u.s. >> the bottom line here is that i have no doubt that we will control this importation, or this case of ebola, so that it does not spread widely in this country. it is certainly possible that someone who had contact with this individual, a family member or other individual could develop ebola in the coming weeks. but there's no doubt in my mind, that we will stop it here. >> a reporter with nbc news joins us from dallas. a former white house health care adviser and fellow at the center for american progress. and the health care editor for politico. >> dr. manuel, how did this guy who is here, apparently from liberia, a liberian national, apparently. we're not sure. but certainly not an american. how did he get ebola, and if he
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got it, why wasn't that information picked up at the airport? apparently he had his temperature taken on takeoff? did he know that he was exposed to it? did he know he might have it and somehow get through the united states immigration, and everything else, and just walk into the country like this? >> chris, it's an important thing. you get exposed and there's a latent period where you're unaware that you have the disease and you're also not infectious at that period. that's obviously what happened. once he got to the united states, once that incubation period is up, he began to feel symptoms and went to the hospital. >> why do we let somebody in the country during their incubation period? if they've been exposed to whatever secretions, why do we let the person in until it's clear the symptoms are not going to turn up, when you say it has an incubation period? >> first of all, we don't have enough information to know whether he knew he had contact
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with someone who had ebola and was coming to the states because he had it. >> is that reasonable? that a person wouldn't know that? >> well, it is reasonable. because lots of people can touch other people who could be infected but not infectious, but not having severe symptoms. so i think it's quite reasonable. his temperature was normal. he got on the plane and he came to the united states. and i think they, you know, in texas, they were clearly prepared and i think they -- it sounds like they've done a very good job. i think what tom frieden said was right. you do contact tracing for everyone he's contacted, then make sure that they don't have it. and it's quite easily contained in the united states. we know that, chris, because in nigeria they've been able to contain it, and their health system is better than liberia and sierra leone, but nowhere near the united states. so -- >> i'm just trying to follow the logic here. everybody's being told, don't worry unless they have the
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infectious symptoms, you can see them, that you don't have to worry about catching them. yet this guy picked up the disease apparently from somebody who did not have the infectious symptoms. >> again, don't hypothesize. we just don't know. we have no idea what he did or didn't do and how he got it. i'm sure that's going to be vital information to try to understand the transmission, but the idea that there's going to be a widespread outbreak here, i think is just, again, it's a bit of fear mongering. we have a single case. this is not a -- >> yeah, yeah, but i'm just going back to the president's statement and that is that the president said it would be unlikely if we had a case in this country. unlikely to even have one case. you want to see the tape again. >> he said there wouldn't be an ebola outbreak. >> he said in the unlikely case someone brings it here. in the unlikely case. they've done it. we're living in the world of the unlikely already. i'm not fear mongering.
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i'm stating the facts and i wonder if everybody else is. >> you're right, it's an unlikely case, but again, we need to put it in perspective. this isn't easily transmitted. it's not like the flu. it's not like measles or chickenpox. you need contact with bodily fluids, and we have a health system that's much better prepared to prevent that from happening once the person is in the health system. now, as you point out, before you get into the health system, there arene chances where you'r feeling sick, it's a fever, muscle aches, where you could be infectious, and for those things, we need good contact tracing. that's why we have the cdc and good public health measures. i would emphasize, chris, this -- if any americans thought whatever happens over there, it's irrelevant to us, we don't have to care what happens in west africa. this shows you that's simply a false statement. while we're not at severe risk
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of an ebola outbreak here, what happens over there does matter to us for our health, but also in terms of failed states, bad problems in other countries that could affect us. we really do need to be much more engaged in other countries and making sure their health systems can work and solve these kinds of problems. >> let me go do joann from politico. the president said it was unlikely it would reach these shores. it has reached these shores. my problem, this fella, an adult male, caught the disease and didn't know it, and came here and only discovered when he got here if he had it. but must have realized he came in contact with somebody because he got it. the fact is, he has the disease. it was unlikely that he would be here with it, but he's here and he got it from someone who didn't have the smymptoms, but e got it from them. that's why people are worried
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that they could get it from this guy, in the incubation period. what do we know? >> the cdc was explicit they did not believe there was any threat to the people on the plane with him. that was something at the press conference they said. they're not worried about that. it's that early stage when he began to get sick, when he was in the united states between the time he started feeling sick and he ended up in the hospital, that's the interval they're worried about, and that's where they're doing the contact tracing including the family and whoever else he came in contact with. we don't know what he knew he was exposed or sick. that's not anything that we can say happened with certainty. we have not sealed off liberia. planes and people are coming back and forth. the issue now is containment. there are two issues for public health. find out who he was in touch with, who had close contact, who may be a threat. make sure they're taken care of and make sure they don't infect anybody else if they get sick.
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the other thing, the public panic. it's a scary disease. it's not something anyone wants here. but it's not like you sneeze and you're across the room and somebody drops dead. >> you see the contradiction that's being sold out there. you can't get it except from somebody with obvious symptoms. and we're told this guy may not know he has it, but you can only catch it from somebody with obvious symptoms. >> you can have high fever, muscle aches, that are similar to the flu, similar to lots of other viruses. and that is the -- >> in monrovia? >> it's a situation where you can be infectious. >> but you wouldn't think that would be a suspicion on his part if he's in monrovia, liberia, and has the symptoms of ebola and doesn't think he has ebola? >> he didn't have symptoms when he boarded the plane. that's clear now. >> the person he had contact
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with did. you're not following my logic. he's in contact with somebody. he got ebola from. that's all i'm going back to. how did he get it without knowing he was getting it? if you can only get it from someone with obvious symptoms. >> have you ever gotten a cold in the office when someone else was around and they sneezed once and might have had a fever, but it doesn't seem like it was that serious? i think this isn't that kind of situation. but people can have symptoms without you knowing it. and that's the worry. the reason we can be assured here that this isn't going to be a major outbreak, we have a cdc that can do very good contact traces. we have a very good health system that takes universal precautions on all patients, with the gloves. and you're not regularly in contact with people's bodily fluids the way it's much more common in liberia. those things distinguish it. and i don't think we should get
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into a panic because we were reassured it would never be in the united states. >> the president said it was unlikely. it has happened. it's here. here's more from cdc director, dr. thomas frieden, who has addressed the media just an hour ago. here he is. >> ebola is a scary disease, because of the severity of illness it causes. and we're really hoping for the recovery of this individual. at the same time, we're stopping it in its tracks in this country. we can do that because of two things. strong health care infection control that stopped the spread of ebola. and strong core public health functions that trace contacts, track contacts, isolate them if they have any symptoms, and stop the chain of transmission. we're stopping this in its tracks. >> what are we missing in this discussion so far, charles? >> well, the dallas county
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health department began even before the cdc announced. the hospital announced it may have a patient in dallas. the county began preparations for this. the good news, the doctors in charge of the investigation here say this is not africa, that we have a great infrastructure and ability to deal with this outbreak. he's in a hospital now, in strict isolation. it's a modern facility, the doctors know what they're doing, according to the experts here, and we just have to wait and see how this patient plays out. but you ask a very good question. what about this man? what was he doing in liberia in the days before he left? was he exposed to it and not know it. did he have a family member who died from it? and maybe tried to get to this country for treatment. those are questions we don't know. it will come out in time, but
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those are good questions you're asking. >> and what happens in africa, doesn't stay in africa. as they say about las vegas in a much less serious fashion. thank you all for joining us. coming up n, the secret service director was pummelled today by members of congress who want answers about the safety of our president and his family. it was a bipartisan pummelling, i must say. then the "hardball" round table, digs into the ebola threat and the stunning missteps, and they keep coming, from the secret service that left the president vulnerable. also mitt romney goes on record that he is eyeing, believe it or not, another run for the white house. maybe because the republican field doesn't look like much. at this point, romney could be the party's best hope at taking down hillary clinton in 2016. he seems to know it. this is "hardball," the place for politics.
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welcome back to "hardball." get this. and don't ever forget it. this is a dangerous country. especially for presidents. roosevelt was shot in the chest. harry truman was the target of a shooting by two puerto rican
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nationalists at blair house. gerald ford was shot at twice in one month, first at the california state capital and then just a few weeks later in san francisco. ronald reagan was shot by john hinckley out of the washington hilton and barely survived. a the cold fact is, an american president stands in the line of fire. he will either be protected well in that line, or he will die. either the secret service is effective and lucky or the president and the country will suffer the consequences. those are the facts. the question, why we can't get straight answers from the head of the secret service is a serious one. a deranged man raced into the white house. so is the even more bizarre news that a man could fire his rifle from his car into a white house window multiple times and not have that fact even recorded. late today, news of a another incident. "the washington post" reports an
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armed contractor with a criminal record was in an elevator with president obama during a trip to atlanta. jerry connelly is on the oversight committee that led today's hearing questioning the secret service director. and kristin welker joins us as well. what are we missing? you were there, went through the hearings. this thing seems bizarrely broken. >> it's actually jaw-dropping. i mean, if you put this in a bad story, it would make for a bad novel in washington. and yet it really happened. >> you know how that guy, omar gonzalez, how he got across the lawn? there's a lot of space that, and all the way to the back of the white house? >> it was a series of failures. he wasn't detained before he got over the fence, on the lawn. he wasn't detained getting into the white house. the door was unlocked and
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unguarded and he roamed around the white house for some time before being tackled. >> the secret service statement left the impression that the fence jumper was apprehended quickly. something me now know was true. that description leaves the impression to anybody listening now that he was tackled after he walked steps through the door. >> were you lying to the american people? >> again, i look forward to having an open discussion today. thank you. >> were you lying to the american people, or were you misled about where the intruder was tackled? >> we're conducting an ongoing investigation. >> that was robo talk. wasn't too useful. >> she wasn't answering my questions and i think a lot of lawmakers felt as though she was deflecting the questions that she had about that discrepancy.
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why the initial report that he was tackled right inside the door, why initially did we think that he was unarmed and then these revelations that he, in fact, did have a three and a half inch knife with him. and as we know now, he ran the length of the east room and wasn't tackled until he got to the green room door. and we're learning that guard there had just gotten off duty, he was heading home for the night. that's a key point. you had shift changes going on. the president had just left. you talked about the series of security failures. it seems as though they happened because the secret service on that night, at that moment, just blinked, after president obama had left for camp david for the weekend. >> well the secret service director took a bipartisan grilling on the agency's security from both. let's listen. >> the white house is supposed to be the most guarded house in
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the world. and for anybody to even get into the premises is something that i just find unacceptable, totally. >> if a would-be intruder cannot be stopped by a dog, or intercepted by a person, perhaps more lethal force is necessary. i want those agents and officers to know, at least this member of congress has their back. don't let somebody get close to the president. don't let somebody get close to his family. don't let them get into the white house ever. if they have to take action that's lethal, i will have their back. >> it's clear that our security plan was not properly executed. this is unacceptable and i take full responsibility and i will make sure that it does not happen again. >> what do you make of this secret service agent who saw the evidence that bullets had been
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fired into the white house near the truman balcony, saw all the evidence and decided not to report that out of fear that they would be criticized for doing that? what kind of culture is that where you cannot report shootings into the white house to your superiors? >> it's a culture that puts the safety and security of the first family in danger. we have to have a completely transparent and open communication culture in the secret service, otherwise this just doesn't work. and something can and will go wrong, as it just did. we're lucky that the president and the first family were not there. >> they came under scrutiny in today's hearing. spurred by this anecdote. it reads, officer carrie johnson had heard debris fall from the truman balcony the night before. listened during the roll call before her shift saturday afternoon as superiors explained that the gun shots were from
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people in two cars shooting at each other. johnson had told people friday night she thought the house had been hit. but on saturday she did not challenge her superiors. for fear of being criticized. she later told investigators. that's what she said. what do you make of that? are we into a situation now where there's sort of a, don't ask questions situation, because you don't want bad pr, making the white house look more vulnerable than they wanted to look? >> i think that is one of the big concerns. i can tell you there was a robust exchange about that very point that you just mentioned. congressman cummings really after a series of tough questions about that, about the culture, about why that secret service agent that night didn't feel as though she could say, i did hear gun shots fired. instead that agent felt as though she had to leak it. she said it was a breakdown in the culture, and the director agreed. she said, look, it is
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troublesome. she acknowledged that and said in the wake of "the washington post" report she's looking into why that agent felt that way. but the problem is, it's coming out through leaks, chris. it's not being determined by the agency itself. and i think that that's where the big concern here comes. i would just know that julia pierson was appointed last year by president obama to reform the culture within the secret service. remember, she was appointed right after the scandal with prostitutes in cartagena, colombia. she was tasked with reforming the culture, so it's significant that she's now asking questions about the fact that it doesn't seem as though the culture has been reformed significantly enough where agents feel comfortable coming forward and saying what they really heard, what they really saw. chris? >> you know, we saw with the attempts on ronald reagan's life, fantastic work by jerry paur who got into the hospital in three minutes, saved his life while he was infernlly bleeding. he had those guys take bullets
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for them. these guys are amazing. >> yeah, and i think it's really important despite this latest misstep, not to forget that. that the men and women of the secret service are willing to put their lives on the line instead of somebody else. and that's a pretty sacred contract for america. that's why this is so disturbing. >> i think we need better management. i think the axe is going to fall and not on the president. thank you. up next in the side show, a new clinton, the granddaughter, dominates late night. that's charlotte and this is "hardball," the place for politics. horizons to map their manufacturing process with sticky notes and string, yeah, they were a little bit skeptical. what they do actually is rocket science. high tech components for aircraft and fighter jets. we're just their bankers, right? but financing from ge capital also comes with expertise from across ge. in this case, our top lean process engineers.
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late-might comedians. stephen colbert was more conspiracy minded about the news. >> yet another hillary flip flop. four days ago she wasn't a grandmother. now she claims she is. charlotte, kind of suspicious, she was named after the largest estate in a major swing state. i got to talk about the elephant in the room here, all of the elephants in the room. >> the nursery will be decorated with elephants, the mascot of the republican party. >> yes, a nursery decorated with adorable republican elephants. they borrowed the design from paul ryan's bedroom. >> and "the tonight show's" jimmy fallon also marked the occasion by reading the letters to welcome the clintons' new arrival. >> a lot of people have sent congrats. including from some famous
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here's what's happening. u.s. warplanes continued their assault on isis in iraq and syria. 11 air strikes in each country. british forces launched their strike hitting a weapons post and an armed vehicle. prodemocracy protesters remain
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on the streets of hong kong, but officials have refused to meet with them. and authorities looking for er. >> back to "hardball." we're back, and the first confirmed case of ebola in the united states is a surprise, or a shock after president obama assured the american people it was unlikely that ebola would reach this country. let's listen again to what the president said in his address to the center for disease control in atlanta two weeks ago. >> i want the american people to know that our experts at the cdc and across our government agree that the chances of an ebola outbreak in the united states are extremely low. in the unlikely event that
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someone with ebola does reach our shores, we've taken new measures. >> we're at that time. the president announced the deployment of 3,000 personnel to west africa to contain the spread of the virus. the "wall street journal" reports that off to a slow start and the epidemic is spreading faster. jon capehart, and noah beerman, reporter for the "boston globe." when you focus on the white house insecurity and then you realize we have another insecurity situation, everybody in this government, from the cdc upwards and trying to play down the danger. we're now in an unlikely situation. >> well -- >> because i know the american people, they're not going to be confident about this until they're really sure it's safe. >> absolutely. and there's a lot we still don't know about what happened in this
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case. for instance, the president assured us that checks and balances have been put in place. we know this man had his temperature tested before he got to the flight to the u.s.? >> why? >> it would seem to me that's one of the checks and balances. anybody from that region, they're probably taking their temperature. >> questions i have that i don't have answers to yet, once he landed, were they still monitoring him? or was it strictly on his own volition that he went into the hospital? we don't know the answer to that. we know there's an incubation period. so he could have been here for -- like, did they monitor him for 21 days after he arrived? that would be perhaps a reasonable thing to do. we don't know. we don't know. >> we're all used to answering these questions. according to the doctors, you can't catch it from someone
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except in their infectious. which say parent, so he might have known he was dealing with somebody with ebola and yet that question doesn't seem to get asked at the airport. >> apparently not. i think jean raises all of the questions that i have and that the american people have and that we won't know until the cdc or this person recovers and we get the answers to those questions. otherwise, my fear is that, you know, the fear of this one case will lead to some sort of hysteria because of the information -- >> what would that take? and why would that be dangerous? >> people being hysterical about an epidemic that's not actually here, even though one person who has it is here, that's the danger here, that people will lose their minds over something that they don't have to lose their minds over, at least not yet. >> like a war of the worlds situation? >> absolutely. 28 days later. >> we need protocols, the word we keep using for the white house security. protocols that are fair and
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nondiscriminatory, but obviously the gentleman and from liberia, one ever the areas that's caught up here. and it gets back to the president's seriousness when we send 3,000 gis over there. we have an interest. it's here now. >> people getting worried, not knowing what's going on. i remember back in florida covering anthrax where i was working and the outbreak -- well, it wasn't an outs break, but the limited outbreak, the attacks started there and that's where people died, and there was mass hysteria. >> tom brokaw, they were all getting anthrax danger facing them. it wasn't just having an outsourced person open your mail. it was people fighting each other for a prescription that they didn't even need. some of them getting violently ill because of those drugs, the
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side effects there. >> the white house is clearly trying to contain fears about this. minutes ago, after the news broke, dan fifer said this on cnn. >> we've been preparing for this possibility for a long time. america has the best doctors and public health infrastructure in the world so we're ready to deal with it. >> and the white house security problem. choice words today for the head of the secret service. here's congressman steve lynch from massachusetts, suggesting the secret service is trying to protect their rear end. watch how tough he is here. >> i know you've got a lot of wonderful people over there, but this is not their best work. this is disgraceful. this is absolutely disgraceful that this has happened. and i'm not even going to mention the fact that it took us four days to figure out that somebody had shot seven rounds
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into the white house. this is beyond the pale. and i've listened to your testimony very deliberately here this morning. and i wish to god you protected the white house like you're protecting your reputation here today. >> you know, every irishman has a little bit of cop in him. [ laughter ] >> he was tough. you guard your rear end, your reputation, more than you guard the white house. that's nasty. >> and as a "boston globe" reporter, you will not normally see him get that animated over something. which shows you the bipartisan concern over there. >> why do you think they all agree on this? just easy pickings, right? fish in the barrel? >> absolutely. and for republicans, it's particularly nice, because they don't look partisan, and yet they're attacking the administration for incompetence. beauty. it's a two-fer. yes, it's easy.
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it's also very serious. this could be any president -- >> did you hear my list of presidents who have been shot at and barely survived? we talk about third-world countries. no country has had a record like this, going back certainly to lincoln and garfield. it's almost every 20 years. for a while, it was every 20 years. >> i think what's really scare ne this one, he went right past the steps to the residence. and there are children in the house. >> there's no guards upstairs. >> and the children in the house. >> do you think there might be some suspicions, not that we're looking for conspiracies, but i notices the sense that -- you know the concerns about kennedy, they didn't like him, he was against the war. which i knew was non-sense. they loved the guy. and all the people in the white house were for kennedy, loyal americans, but this idea that somehow obama is exposed more danger because somebody doesn't like him? >> i'm seeing that on my twitter feed. there are people asking questions each passing day since
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this story first hit, saturday night at 5:00, sunday at 5:00, yesterday at 5:00, there are all these new stories where it looks like, why all of a sudden are we seeing these huge dangers? >> like they're playing down on the job because they don't like him? >> no-no. but that's what's coming across on my twitter feed. >> but it's also a matter of perspective, because he's had, what? three times as many threats on his life as prior presidents. >> apparently that's settled down. but in the beginning that was true. >> the secret service had a big load right now in terms of protecting him. >> i'll say it again, these guys put themselves in front of the bullet. they take the bullet and jerry paur saved ronald reagan's life. we'll be back with more from the round table. we'll talk about mitt romney. i think romney is really on the edge of seeing a wide open
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the middle where she can be strong. it's all about electability. and a piece today from "new york times," they note the former republican nominee is leaving the door open for 2016 and rights that a confluence of political realities has created a gin-in opening for a romney third act. early front-runners like chris christie or jeb bush have shown themselves to be flawed or reluctant or both. a splintering of possible movement candidates, rand paul and ted cruz, could beget a need for a default consensus choice. this skt comes after a july
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. >> i don't know how he can walk away from it. he just sits there. there's nobody that looks like that i going to get in the field. christie has problems. jeb has reluctance. mitt romney knows he came close. >> people like you keep saying it. he might think about it more. >> you know, i mean, what's interesting, i think chris christie backers, potential jeb bush backers, they don't like to see stories like this. >> but there are others. scott walker's got a win. a win in wisconsin -- >> >> no, it's not guilty a cinch. he's got to focus on that right now. john may get in. not sure. portman, senator portman, from
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ohio, is definitely considering getting in. and if he gets in, that's where the jeb people go. that's where the money goes. see, he's one of the bush client. >> so portman is mr. excitement now? >> no, he's not mr. excitement. >> kacasting's got a personalit. >> other players, rubio -- >> you're a great sports hyper. you're telling me this game ain't over yet. >> i'm it witelling you this, ws his home state going to be? >> i think hillary clinton is a strong candidate. if she runs a strong race, she can't be beaten. if she runs an average race, she can't be beaten. no right wingers. reagan was as close as we got and he turned out to be much
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more moderate. >> he is your competition. >> of course. but he's a good reporter. so here, he gives us an insight into mitt romney. there's this key line in there that leapt out at me. mitt romney saw what happened to his father, george, after he ran for president and no one would return his phone calls and how mitt romney is desperate to not let that happen to him. so in this new media age, he can be in everyone's faces all of the time. >> but that's his style to do. inflate the person's importance. >> but why are we talking -- >> wait a minute. he wants it both ways. he wants to build up romney as a pros pekt. if you're saying he's worried about a lonely retirement so he runs for president of the united states that's absurd. i don't think liebaowits likes
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politicians. >> he's so much better than the candidate. if he ran as a moderate republican, he would be very presentable to half the country. >> and that's who he is. >> this story does a very good job of the same thing that the documentary did, which is humanizing him, showing you, wow, you know, this is a guy i could like, which he had a difficult time presenting, as he acknowledges. but one of the more interesting things about the art kal is some of the quotes from romney where he's speaking almost in the future tense, it looks to me, about a run. >> i think it's in his head. don't you think it's in his head? >> i think everybody puts it in his head. why shouldn't he consider it. the people closest to him are taking jobs elsewhere. i do think he wants to influence the future of the party. he jumped in the primaries this year with the tea party establishment fights. he put skin in the game in some of those races and he won.
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>> i think he should say let them eat cake in french. i said can you say let them eat cake in french? he said i can, but i won't. >> i love your skepticism and your pugnacious attitude. welcome to the show and we'll be right back. this is jim. a man who doesn't stand still. but jim has afib, atrial fibrillation an irregular heartbeat, not caused by a heart valve problem. that puts jim at a greater risk of stroke. for years, jim's medicine tied him to a monthly trip to the clinic to get his blood tested. but now, with once-a-day xarelto®, jim's on the move. jim's doctor recommended xarelto®. like warfarin, xarelto® is proven effective to reduce afib-related stroke risk.
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let me finish tonight with this thought about who runs against hillary clinton. start with the fact that she
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will be the favorite and for three key reasons. one, who she is. talk about a resume. can't think of an american presidential candidate who we've known longer. two, bill clinton is the most popular politician in the country. and three, yes, the fact that she is a she. we've been through some less than stellar presidents to get their rightful turn. all that said, she could turn out to be more than beatble. the republican nomination will b be, as they say in politics, worth something. why? because the economy still isn't so great out there, obviously. two, because this war president obama has launched against isis will still be being waged over there and very likely without the prospect of any near term victory for us. and here's the big one. the american people have a habit, hard to shake, of rotating the political party ins the white house chlts every eight years they find themselves with a deep appetite for change. they want the ins out.
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and that means 2 outs in. so anyone who can't win the republican nomination can find themselves within a 50/50 shot of the white house and they won't even be able to hop the fence. that's "hardball" for now. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >> i wish to god you'd protect the white house like you're protecting your reputation. >> have you ever heard of these guy s gu guys? someone should be held acountable. >> a would-be intruder could not be intercepted by a dog or a person, perhaps more lethal force is necessary. >> the first ebola case diagnosed in the u.s. plus, the attorney for a man shot by a south carolina trooper joins me exclusively. how much do you drink?

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