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highlight policies on student loans and health care that have helped the so-called millennial generation. we'll keep you posted on all of it. >> that is it for now today and we'll see you tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. "the ed show" starts now. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" live from minnesota. let's get to work! ♪ ♪ ♪ who would have thought south dakota -- >> the land of great faces and great places. >> one of the places to gain control of the u.s. senate. >> a complicated race in south dakota. >> for control of the u.s. senate. >> that's been the the theme of your campaign. >> taking it back from big money, special interests. >> if we don't win south dakota we won't win back. >> good to have you with us,
folks. >> we come to you from the middle of the country where there is a big senate race developing. we're 20 days away from the mid-term elections and the stakes couldn't be higher. if republicans do take control, the consequences could damage the middle class even further and pay no axe tension to the environment. earlier today ohio senator rob portman laid out the republican game plan if the gop takes the senate. >> with the majority, we could immediately do things that would help give the economy a needed shot in the arm. so think about keystone excel pipeline that would happen in the first couple of weeks and targeting america next year and 42,000 new jobs and think about tack reform. the president is talking about companies taking jobs overseas. upon we can do that. think about regulatory relief and expandsiing exports and this to create jobs. >> climate change nowhere to be found. the keystone pipeline is at the
top of the list of the republicans. they don't care about the environment and they're lying about jobs. those 42,000 jobs portland was talking about, they are all temporary and won't be around very long. we will debufrnth this time and time again here on "the ed show." democrats keeping control of the senate is crucial for the progressive movement in america. the republicans think they have, they think they'll win montana. they think they'll win south dakota and they think they've knot iowa locked up. hold the phone. democrats on the ground in south dakota think their senate race is very much in play. so tonight we focus on south dakota, the senate race there where keystone is a big issue and the democrat isn't running away from it. it's a close, three-way race between former republican governor mike brown who is surrounded in controversy over an economic development project that went sour to the tune of millions, former senator larry pressler is running as an independent. many people in south dakota
think that's a joke. there's nothing bipartisan about pressler and never has weil an received support to the tune of millions of dollars. rounds is in the lead so far at 35%. pressler is polling second at 32% and wyeland is gaining up to 28%. and rounds is only candidate supporting the keystone excel pipeline. both weiland and pressler are against it. he has deep, conservative roots close to the pea party. on wednesday the democratic senorial campaign committee announced it's in play. they're going to spend $1 million on this race. the may day pac announced they'll also be spending $1 million in supporting rick weiland and supporting big money. this will keep weiland on the air in south dakota until the election and that's been a
problem for the democrats to run the table. earlier today i was on the ground in south dakota to size up the the race. here in south dakota the rick weiland take it it back campaign is hoping history repeats itself. it was back in 2002 when tim johnson twont bed down 3700 votes and woke up ahead 500 votes because shannon and todd county had know been county. shannon and todd county is heavy native american. if weiland's camp can get native americans to get out and vote they think that could be the ace in the card and keystone is a big player with native americans here in south dakota. >> it's too close to call in your words? >> oh, absolutely. absolutely. >> and this money could put you over the top in. >> absolutely. >> okay. when you look at pressler's i.d. and his experience in washington, is that a good thing or is that a bad thing from what you hear. i think a lot of people have --
and he's got a voting record and it it will get scrutinized, i'm sure going forward. and he was doing his thing and the focus has been on mike brown and rick weiland and the fact that mike rounds is down to 35% says that this will not be the coronation that he and the republicans thought it was going to be. who would have thought south dakota would be at play. how will you make up seven points in the polls? >> i think these polls are all over the the map. our internals are strong. we can close this gap. part of what i think happens here is that people begin to focus pressler to have moved from rounds as a result of the eb-5 scandal and the fact that he didn't do that while in his own primary and he lost 45% of the vote and spent all of the money and he's got two other in the race because part of the republican party isn't there and
shannon and now that the vote's moved to pressler, i think that there's a chunk there that is looking for somewhere else to go. they've parked there well for now because they've left mike rounds and i think we've got a real shot at a winning percentage. when larry's record gets examined a little bit. i'll give you an example. both he and rounds want to ultimately change the programs of social security and medicare. those are big programs. >> they want to privatize them? >> senator pressler is on record saying let's expand the age -- retirement age from what it currently is, and pull back on the benefit. he wants to do it to balance the budget and rounds wants to go after medicare and social security i think to pay for the tax cut for millionaires and big corporations which is about $6 trillion if you looked at that over the next ten years. they want a voucher for medicare
which i don't support. i want to open up medicare. it also connects with them. they don't want to be forced. and it's putting obamacare on steroids. well, they're indicting medicare by saying that. medicare's been a program that's worked well for people in this country. 97 cents of the dollar goes to pay for health care. 3% goes to pay for salaries and that's different in the private sector with big health insurance. >> what is keystone? going to do to this race? you're against the pipeline. your opponents are very much in favoryou're against the pipelin. your opponents are very much in favor of it. the native americans are on record. the tribes have supported you. how big a play is this going to be some. >> i imagine there will be big money coming in to keystone would be my guess because i have taken a very strong position on opposition, and what i tell
people, if you could just have the conversation with the tens of thousands of people that i've had one-on-one, when i sit down and tell them it's not about jobs because there are not. 35 total and we don't know if we get one of them. it's not about energy security because it's an export pipeline. most of that oil's going overseas so we don't get energy security and you know, it's not about freeing up the rail lines or the engines to haul grain, and that's the new argument that keystone and the coke brothers are trying to make is that we have a glut of grain here and we can't get it to market. if we build keystone we'll be able to tap into that with the oil coming from your home state of north dakota, that has nothing to do with it and that's the argument that they're trying to make. i hope i can win that argument because i have the facts on my side, but big money's been perpetuating this myth that this is good for the country and it's good for south dakota. i don't even have to talk, ed, about the environmental calamity
waiting to happen which is what the tribal nations are very concerned about. what happens to the aquifer if pipelines leak and this is ugly stuff coming out of here. >> where do you think residences of this state stand on keystone. >> i think a lot of them are undecided because they're not up to speed on what's going on. i've seen numbers where 50% really don't know. so i think if we had the the resources and enough time i could convince the majority of people in south dakota that i'm right on this had. >> would you spend these resources educating citizens on keystone? will that be some of your resource going to that? >> it possibly could be. we'll see. maybe some of the other organizations that like my message about big money will help my message. >> one of the things about south dakota traditionally is that the polls are undersampled because of the native american population. it's hard to judge how they feel on issues, and it's really hard
to judge what kind of turnout they'll have on election day. >> absolutely. is this your ace in the deck? >> well, i've been endorsed by all our tribes which i'm proud to have rey seefed that endorsement early on. i've spent a lot of time in indian country in this campaign. i've been out and about for the last year and a half. >> they're with you on keystone. stoo they are. >> is it it a huge motivator? >> for them it's a huge motivator. >> you're counting on a huge native american turnout. >> i'm hoping for a huge native american turnout and they've turned out in the past when they've been motivated and i sense that there's some real motivation right now, not only on keystone, but they're looking for someone who will fight for them, too. >> and they are voting today in south dakota. in fact, it's a very interesting dynamic that plays out. the voting starts six weeks before the election. so there is a big effort on the reservations for the democrats going on right now. another story that we're going to bring to you next week is the
controversy surrounding former governor mike rounds. it's an eb-5 visa program that deals with investors getting automatic green cards into the united states. the county, the state, the city of aberdeen, the county and the state lost millions of dollarses, investors lost millions of dollars. it was a beef processing plant that was never managed properly from the start. millions of dollars is missing. there's been a lot of coverage and editorial on it in south dakota and weighing heavily on this race and we will braining that story to you this coming monday on the ed show. >> get your cell bophones out. can democrats hold the senate. text a for yes, text b for no. text 67622. adam green, co-founder of the progressive change campaign committee and your organization has been involved in the south dakota race.
the situation that's playing out right now on the prairie, the three-way race and a lack of money early on, but now that money's coming into weiland's camp. can this be a game changer or is it too late as you see it? >> this could be a game changer. and we say on the front end and no race is more important to progressive and no race more important to democrats than the south dakota senate race and the pripel c members would support weiland, and giving 10,000 grassroots donations to his campaign over $60,000. what we're seeing right now is that this is a tight race and this is an example where progressives led the way and the infrastructure is following on election night, november 4th this could be the race to keep your eye on. >> why are national democrats slow to step in. they're in now, but it's 25 days away and here comes several million dollars to help them out. do they believe that this visa
problem that the govern or, the former governor has had here and there's an opening? >> that's a big part of it. mike brown has this air of krumgz around him. there are details around this eb-5 scandal and his political donors profited by his corruption and now we have this guy rick weiland who is the perfect person at the perfect time with a message about take it back. take back our government from the big-money interests who have captured our economy and he's railing theth guy again of the big guy, talking about corporations like he told you, zee to invest in education, increase social security benefits and not cut them and make sure that we are basically populist on these core issues. let me say one more thing, ed, i was on the the 2002 south dakota senate race that we talked about where we won by 124 votes and my big takeaway that year is that populism is alive and well in
south dakota. you have culturally conservative farmers and ranchers, people pro life and pro gun willing and proud to vote democrat if the dechl democrats are standing up on democracy issues and that's why i say rick weiland is the perfect candidate at the perfect time right now. >> with the economic populism that you talk about on the prairie, weiland is going after big money. he's the guy that says that special interests has spoiled american politics and that he would be a guy who would go to washington and not be beholden to big money. he is against the keystone excel pipeline, he's for the minimum wage, and he's for collective bargaining. he does not want to privatize, medicare, medicaid and social security. isn't he today's democrat? >> yeah. rick weiland is part of the elizabeth warren wing of the democratic party and that's why pccc members were proud to suspect ort him from the very beginning and i will say that may day super pac which you mentioned before which is a
people-powered non-partisan super pac targeting corrupt politicians in both parties and supporting those that support reform just announced this week that they're putting $1 million into this race. we are very proud of the pccc to partner with them on these reform issues and that will be a big deal and again, in this case, progressives led the way, reformers led the way and the democratic party infrastructure, and this could be the defining race that puts democrats over the top. >> all right. we'll have more on this story on monday on the eb-5 controversy that has unfolded in aberdeen, south dakota. good to have you with us tonight. remember to answer tonight's question on the bottom of the screen and share your thoughts on ed show and facebook. we want to know what you think. coming up, walker knows best. the governor's decision keeping wisconsin residents living under the poverty line. plus new aks to restrict voting access right before the election. keep it here.
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>> the republican governor asked the supreme court to stop same-day voter registration. >> because of the redistricting it decreased the change in precincts. >> the supreme court cuts voting access. >> this is the kind of thing that the people saw that part of the paul, were most fearful of. >> essentially undid a lot of the progress and making voting more accessible. >> the people who are rung the show in north carolina perceive the african-american community as a block of voters that will vote them out of office. >> joining me tonight dr. reverend william barber, president of the north carolina state conference to the naacp. reverend, good to have you with us tonight. this has got to be a shocking blow to the minority community in north carolina. what has been the response on this? >> first of all, thank you, ed. i am join here by delegates of the 71st convention and right
beside me, miss rosa eden, a 93-year-old and one of our plaintiffs. we lay this blame directly at the feet of tom tillis. the speaker of the house. he led the effort to pass house bill 589 should is the worst form of voter suppression that we've seen since jim crowe. he tried to suggest it was about voter i.d. and we now all can see clearly it was about denying same-day registration and early voting and denying out of precinct balloting which the courts have agreed undisputed that it has a disparate impact upon african-americans. african-americans are 22% of the electorate, but 41% use same-day registration early voting. the court yesterday, the supreme court simply said they would deny, you know, the injunction, but the blame for this is the tillis extremism, an elected politician who does not want people it to vote, joined with berger and mcrory and they call it common sense legislation and
it's a conniving attempt to suppress the right and abridge the right to vote of african-americans and also working people and other people who form a coalition that don't necessarily agree with their form of extremism. >> reverend, what is this going to do to the number of votes for democrats cast by minorities in north carolina? how big of a number could this affect in the say the? >> it could affect thousands of people because if you look back at the past record in north carolina, we helped win in naacp same-day voting. we saw hundreds of thousands of people use early voting and same-day registration. we have only one day left in registration and that is tomorrow. a lot of people, thousands could ultimately be abridged, but on the other hand, well well is so much anger out here at the way this had extremist legislator led by tillis has denied
medicaid, denied unemployment, denied earned income tax credit and hurt public education and gone after teachers and now they've gone after the most fundamental principle of our democracy which is voting and the flipside is people will turn anger into action and it is a strange thing for a person elected by votes not to want people it to vote. one of the justices asked that question. why is it that tillis do not want people to vote in we believe they're afraid, when people of all different races, creeds and colors came together. that coalition in the south can change the south. they want to suppress it, but ultimately it's not anything to be suppressed. we're going to vote and next year in court we're going to fight and we believe we're going to with win. >> that's right. upon. >> what's it going do for this november if you only have one day remaining to get people registered to vote and you've seen numbers in the past that have been very, very strong?
and i have to wonder what kind of effect is this going to have on kay hagen's ability to get back to the senate? >> well, the reality is we didn't wait on the courts. we knew what they were doing since last april. in fact, they gave the signal that they were going to do this march of 2013 and then the day after shelby senator apodaca said now that the headache has been removed we can move forward and they turned a 12-page bill into 57 pages. they've been registering people to vote and we've been going every week, county to county and people are moving in a mighty way and so what we're going to do now is we're going to move those who are already registered to vote. lastly, there are 400,000 white women and 287,000 african-americans already registered who didn't vote in 2010 and voted in 2008 and 2012 and we'll turn this vote out like it's never been turned out.
this is an election on and not an election off. >> has the naacp notice good other attempts to hamper voting rights in north carolina other than this law thand this ruling that's anyone into place? >> oh, sure. >> such as? >> they've allowed anybody to basically be a poll observer that can challenge a person. they've denied 17-year-olds the right to register early. they've allowed through this bill more money to be in politics in terms of how judges are funded. >> i think there are about 40 changes in all. we've also seen efforts by the tea party. they have put out distorted information, which by the way, is a felony and that's being tried right now before the board of election and senator berger actually put out an ad that gave the suggestion that voter i.d. is the law of the land when in fact, the voter i.d. provision
doesn't start until 216 and we believe we'll be victorious in court. they're a term. ing all ways to try to suppress the vote, but as you see by this vote, we have people representing 71 counties over the next three days at this convention. we are planning a 30-day, all-out march to the polls like you've never seen before. 80,000 people showed up in raleigh in february. more than that will show up at the polls. >> so -- >> so we've seen in -- we have seen in north carolina legislating discrimination. is that how you view it and i want you to give us a pulse of the people that are standing there with you. how furious are they about this? >> well, let me ask them. how furious are you all about what you've seen this legislation do? are you furious? are you upset? >> yes! >> are you bothered? >> are you organizing? >> ed, we have not seen in the south particularly the kind of
mobilization with moral monday. as i said, 80,000 people showed up in february and we've been at this now for 79 straight weeks. we've gone into mitchell county and that's 99% white and 89% republican and we've gone into edgecomb county which is 90% democrat and 60% black. we are finding that people are connecting because these extr e extremist promises that they'll be about rare in the school and against homosexuality. they hurt the poor and hurt the sick and hurt teachers and public education and they're willing to go even go after voting. >> reverend william barber, great to have you tonight, doctor. you're doing fabulous work. keep up the fight and i appreciate your time tonight. thanks so much. coming up, scott walker's decision to keep thousands of wisconsin residents living in poverty. rapid response panel weighs in. plus the cast of "outnumbered" take a big swipe at the key 18
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welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. it's hard to believe that any american could survive on $7.25 an hour. the federal minimum wage has been stuck at that number since went 09 and don't expect the conservatives to on do anything about it it. it's also the current wage in wisconsin. an adult working full time would earn just $15,080. those wages barely keep an individual above the federal poverty threshold. those wages keep a parent above the the poverty line. a hundred workers in wisconsin have filed a complaint with governor scott walker's
administration. the current minimum wage violates a provision in wisconsin law. the law states that minimum wage must abe living wage, a living wage is defined under the law as this, reasonable comfort, reasonable physical well-being, decent and moral well-being. on monday walker's administration denied wisconsinites the rates they asked for. the department determined that there is no reasonable cause to believe that wages paid to the complainants are not a living wage. i do trust the folks over at m.i.t., the institute of technology according to them in the living wage calculator, a single parent living in madison, wisconsin, would need to make $21.17 an hour to support their family. joining me tonight is jennifer epps madison, executive director
of wisconsin jobs now. and ruth conif, editor of the progressive magazine. good to have all of you with us tonight. jennifer, is this fight over? is this settled or is there a recourse that your organization can take from here? governor scott walker might think that $7.25 is a living wad there is no one in the country that believes anyone can survive on that amount. he is willing to not follow wisconsin law. people should understand this is not a minimum wage law and this law dates back over a hundred years in the state and it states every worker in our state shall be paid a living wage by their employer and that is clearly not happening and over a hundred workers testified to the impossible choices they're forced to make every day. a woman like brittany ferguson, a hotel house keeper in milwaukee talked about having to put back hot dogs and choose between hot dogs and bread at
the grocery store to because she didn't have enough money to choose it all. having to choose between hot dogs and bread means you're living below comfort and decency. >> isn't this a statement that walker is antipf worker and this underscores where the republicans are and if it's in the law, how can he get away with it as you see it? >> well, i think that walker didn't want to be put in this position and i really applaud jennifer and her group for the point they're making whose situation is very real and very poignant and you read their individual stories and these are folks who are homeless and they're on food stamps and working full time and i don't think americans that's how it ought to be and so walker would rather not deal with it and he'd rather not talk about it and they've taken a page right from the national restaurant association which is the chief lobbyist against the increase in the minimum wage and it would
hurt our economy that would hurt workers more. when the progressive magazine was founded. this is the 1913 law and folks in wisconsin were on the leading edge of a movement to try to do better by workers and they were saying we have child labor in this state. we have people who are not able to live on what they're getting and let's look at what it costs to live and you look back at the debate on this law, how much does housing cost and how much does food cost. what do we really believe people should have to put up with and there was a big pushback by industry and they achieved a victory and jennifer is right to make the connection with that era and fundamental principle. >> congressman, isn't the issue here as far as voters are concerned, do voters who do not make minimum wage, do those people in wisconsin care about those who are on minimum wage? i mean, that's what it boils down to, and are there enough people that care about it? >> people in wisconsin are hardworking, but we're also very
kind hearted and there is vast support for raising minimum wage. we know that helps people who are just getting by on $15,000 a year. the real challenge here is the governor decided that rather than trying to stand up to this image he has of being a tool of the coke brothers and sheldon adelson, he could have done something right for his constituents and the people of wisconsin and instead he decided to side with the people he wants to fund his presidential campaign and make a stance against the minimum wage increase. it's impossible to get by on $15,000 a year. we have those people who are also getting subsidized health care that all of the taxpayers pay for that the governor knows as part of our state programs and he's choosing to side with the coke brothers and sheldon adelson rather than the people of wisconsin and i don't think that will sell well on november 4th. >> ruth, you saw the story that we did earlier on north carolina. there's somewhat of a story very similar to that that has unfolded in wisconsin. on monday the the appeals court
upheld the wisconsin stricter voter i.d. law. what does this mean for voters weeks out, 25 days. what's the response? >> well, the response is people need to know how to get i.d. and they need to plan on voter i.d. being in place because the united states supreme court could intervene, but it's unlikely and so we're likely looking at voter i.d. in this coming election between scott walker and mary berg. it's a very tight race and they've been neck and neck in the polls and it will make a big difference and the governor has refused to allocate money to get information to voters and there are people on the campus trying to make sure students get the proper i.d. and they need a new i.d. to vote now and there is a grassroots push to get voters to the dmv to get the i.d. that they need and that getting clear information has got to be a huge focus now in the run-up to the election?
>> jennifer, how big a hurdle is this as you see it? >> we're ready to go. i harken back to dr. barber. we have been on the ground working with people, making sure they have a plan to vote since april and folks in the community are enthused and what governor walker has determined that a wa walker wage is 11 wife and this is his 47% movement and what type of stage we want to have. you asked the question do middle class families care about poor and working-class families. a recent study in the university of wisconsin milwaukee showed that 73% of the folks in our state support raising the minimum wage. about a quarter of our state's workforce is living in poverty wages right now. that means there is a big group of people that know that raising the minimum wage boost the economy and there are 13 referendums that people can go out and make that determination
for themselves so we're ready to go and we think that this might just be what costs governor walker his reelection. >> and i can't let you go without asking you the question, why can't wisconsin create jobs? minnesota is in the positive. other states surrounding wisconsin in the positive, what's wrong with wisconsin. >> the state can't create jobs. >> it's not because of our people because we're extremely hard working and a business would be smart to locate here, but we have a governor who since day one of being elected governor has been running for president. he's spent $1 million taking corporate jets to any to iowa and south carolina and iowa, new hampshire and iowa, and if you notice -- >> you pin it onwalker? >> you pin it on walker? >> he has not been doing his job as governor and on november 4th we should elect him to be a full-time candidate for
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and finally tonight, emotions are running high around ferguson, missouri. exactly two months ago, a white police officer shot and killed an unarmed teerchler, michael brown, overnight another young black man was shot death by a white police officer in st. louis. officials say the officer was in uniform but working for a security agency. he approached four men who ran from him. >> all three did run, one of them was armed with a gun. so it's certainly -- if a police officer drives by and you have a gun, and you're not supposed to have a gun, certainly you might be a little nervous. the officer picked up on that. i think it's another example of what individuals who have guns, 18 years old, no stranger to law
enforcement, sees a police officer, and runs. >> relatives of the dead teen are disputing the police chief's version of what happened. they say he was unarmed. police said they recovered a nine millimeter weapon from the scene. this shooting happened just 16 miles from the scene where michael brown was shot and killed. news of the event sparked protests in the city of ferguson, missouri. for more let me bring in brown family attorney darryl parks, and the professor of sociology at georgetown university. good to have you with us. st. louis police chief sam dotson say the officer fired his weapon 17 times after at least three shots were fired at him. how can they be so sure this happened before any investigation? what's your take on this? >> well, they have not earned the trust of the trouble here,
ed. three shots fired at the allegedly, and then 17 in response to that. they said the weapon of the young man jammed. the family disputes whether or not he had a weapon. they said he had a sandwich in his hand, and it was mistaken for a gun. again, the police department cannot earn the benefit of the doubt because they have acted with such alarming disregard for black life and disrespect for young people. obviously there are legitimate threats to police officers and they're prepared to respond. but again, here, we don't have the facts so how can the police chief be so confident in his conclusions without a full investigation? they put the man on paid leave right now. they say an investigation will occur. but if they're already drawn a conclusion about what has occurred, then we're suspicious about what their investigation will find. >> what do you make of that, mr. parks? >> without question, i have -- i want to hear what the other
witnesses to the incident may have seen or heard from the incident. i also want to know whether or not the officer was wearing body cam and if not, why don't they have body cam equipment. i want to see what evidence exists. i recall there were other individuals who were possibly be chased by the cops as well. i want to hear their versions. but i also, we come to a point where we all are very sensitive to these type of shootings when someone is killed and when someone disputes whether or not the person was armed or unarmed. hopefully we can get some facts to bring forth the truth in this case. >> what simmers the emotions at this point? it wasn't too long after that protests broke in ferguson, missouri, just 17 miles away from this shooting? dr. dyson, what's it going to take to simmer the emotions of the community now? for instance, you have eric holder, who made a visit down to
ferguson. he said on wednesday that community policing will play a key part in repairing tensions between residents and law enforcement. what's the next move, dr. dyson? >> well, the next move is to have the people responsible for those communities, we got to have a great sense of community policing. we saw with lieutenant johnson -- captain johnson of the state patrol, that when police are in the neighborhoods from which they have coming and which they have been reared, they have a greater tendency to look more kindly upon the people who are there, and they have a better relationship. so that proves that people are not offended by the presence of police officers. they're offended by police officers who don't give them the benefit of the doubt. and secondly, what we have to see, when the police are trained, they have to be trained in tactics and strategies that allow them to engage human beings. yes, in an aggressive situation, they're on alert.
but they have to figure out a way to treat these people like human beings. they're not born on mars somewhere. they're born in the united states of america, where they inherit the same types of stereotypes and prejudices as everybody else. >> mr. parks, the police say they're bracing for riots. is that overboard, or is that necessary? >> i think it's overboard, ed. i think from what i'm seeing in the public domain, people are getting ready to peacefully protest what has happened, and the continued injust injustice killing of mike brown. the folks who are coming are organized. they have the right to be heard. our constitution respects their right to be heard when folks disagree with what's going on. and at this time, many of us, including myself, disagree with what is going on in st. louis county. with this officer not being arrested for the murder of michael brown. we're now two months post michael brown's death. we are still seeking an arrest
of officer darren wilson. >> all right, attorney darryl parks, michael eric dyson, professor at georgetown, thanks for your time. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed, and thanks to you for tuning in. we start with breaking news tonight on what we call the ferguson effect. in the two months since michael brown was shot and killed in ferguson, missouri, we've seen more and more people using cell phones to record alleged police misconduct. and a robust national conversation about appropriate police conduct from coast to coast. the latest from new york. it appears to be an officer knocking a teenager unconscious for smoking a cigarette that the officer bel