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oent on "all in." protests erupt in st. louis after an officer-involved shooting. after an officer-involved shooting. two months after the shooting of michael brown in ferguson. then, caught on tape. >> video of what seems to be a new york police officer stealing someone's money. plus, the secret service versus the obama administration. new leaks to the same washington post reporter. this time, against the white house. and "all in" america hits the road with 130 foot long wind turbine blade. >> each one of these blades weigh about nine tons. >> plus, the solar boom. we look at the explosive growth in renewable energy and its surprising backers. "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. it's been 61 days since
18-year-old michael brown was shot and killed in ferguson missouri. the officer is still on paid leave with no sign yet of indictment on the case. as a series of planned actions and marches started to, tensions are extremely high. last night, people flooded to the shaw neighborhood of st. louis after a fatal shooting between an 18-year-old man and an off-duty st. louis police officer. according to the police, the uniformed, off-duty police officer was working for a private security firm patrolling the fail boar hood when he drove passed three men who eventually fled. the office is identified as a 32-year-old with six years of service, got out and chased them on foot. police say myers approached the officer in an aggressive manner. the officer told myers to surrender but he continued to come towards the officer and the two men struggled. myers then ran away, according to police and fired a gun at the officer.
>> the suspect fired at least three rounds at the officer. at that point, the officer returned fire. as the officer moved towards the suspect, the suspect continued to pull the trigger. >> the officer shot 17 times at myers who was pronounced dead on the scene. he has been pronounced dead. mile herbs relatives, however, have disputed the police account of what happened. his mother telling the ap her son was holding a sandwich, not a gun. police lied. they lied about michael brown, too. myers' cousin told the st. louis dispatch. he had a sandwich in his hand, they thought it was a gun. it was like michael brown all over again. as many as 300 people assembled. emotions were very high. the mood tense. people yelling things like hands up, don't shoot. who's street, our street. >> crowds at one point
surrounded a police car and kicked in the lights. ultimately, the police left the scene. the aftermath miles away from ferguson showed very clear they have all the anger, frustration and distrust is still there throughout the metro st. louis area. tonight, the entire st. louis metro area remains on edge. joining me now is the mayor of st. louis, mayor francis slay. they do not believe the police account. the police are lying about whether their family member who died at the hands of st. louis police was, in fact, armed. >> this is a terrible tragedy. the loss of a young man in a neighborhood in our city. and it's something that's going to raise a lot of emotions. and that's why it's very important that we handle this as
a government, as a police force, to investigate the investigation with a high level of sensitivity. that we do it in a very transparent way and that we have the highest level of independence in the investigation. so we have called for -- there's going to be a couple of independent investigations that are going on here. we have our prosecuting attorney that's going to be doing an investigation, independent investigation, in addition to the internal affairs of the police department. but we're also going to have the united states attorney, the department of justice is going to be involved in, as well. we want to make sure that this is handled right and that people have confidence in the investigation itself and the results. so sensitivity, transparency, and independence is, you moe, know, that's what the investigation is for. >> what will the role of the
u.s. attorney be in this? >> what they're going to do is they're going to be partnering with the circuit attorney, the prosecuting attorney of city of st. louis and taking a fresh look at the evidence and, you know, deciding whether or not there are going to be any federal charges or any civil rights charges, as well. there's going to be a lot of eyes looking at this. we wanted to make sure, we understand the high emotions. we understand the sensitivity and the issues about concerns and suspicions of government and the police department. so we want to make sure when people look at this, that the transparency and independence is there there. >> what was going through your mind last night when you saw this live stream and the images. and the mistrust there is for the police. >> my first reaction was, you know, i thought what a tragedy. young man shot and killed in one of our neighborhoods in the city of st. louis. we have to approach this with sensitivity. the other thing is, i was with if police chief when i got news of this.
and first reaction is we have to make sure, as a department, as a city, that we handle this with restraint and transparency. police officers did a great job last night. no arrests happened. they really exercised a high level of restraint. and we're able to get information out as quickly as we could. so the communications component was there. we understand that there was high level of emotions, particularly at the heels of what happened with the shooting of michael brown in ferguson. so this was handled carefully and very deliberately. and we think that that helped, but, you know, we understand there's still a high level of emotion and anger. so what we do from now on matters. we want to make sure that we do this right and get it right. that's important. >> this is a case in which it seems like forensic evidence can be established fairly definitively what happened, at least in terms of the gun and possible gun residue so everyone will be looking for that as it develops. mayor francis slay, thank you. joining me now, msnbc
national reporter, tremain lee. you are there right now. this is the first night of what is planned to be a weekend of protest. what's the scene like? >> so far, the scene is relatively quiet here in ferguson. so, right now, it's pretty calm out here. folks are still, again, talking about the situation that happened just over a dozen miles in st. louis last night. so they're preparing for this big weekend. but this shooting has kind of reignited passions all over again. >> yeah, you saw last night there were a tremendous amount of people able to get there very quickly. some of the organizers that have been involved in the protests of michael brown. what are people expecting for tonight, for friday and this whole weekend. i've heard as many as 6,000 to 10,000 people headed to ferguson? >> organizers are expecting a record amount of protesters. they said if they top over 7 or
8,000 people, it will hit a record. but, again, everything has been kind of ramped up with last night's shooting. what they had expected is already what they were billing as this weekend of resistance and actions and demonstrations throughout the weekend. it's even greater now that we're in the wake of last night's shooting. >> people talking about he was only holding a sandwich. there were a number of people saying that he had been tazed, in fact, people on the scene. police say that the officer in question didn't have a tazer. that, again, nothing has been definitively established. but it was striking to me the gulf between the police account and what people on the scene feel like they can trust coming from the police. >> i think -- today is october 9th. so we're at the two-month anniversary since michael brown was killed. just last month, you had another
shooting. so the biggest thing is trust. they didn't trust the police before, and that is just getting bigger and bigger. it's not clear what, at this point, can bridge that gap. there's forensic evidence. there's a bullet hole in the police car. they recovered a .9 millimeter weapon. >> joining me now, anthony gray, an attorney for michael brown's family. mr. gray, where is the family at right now. protesters coming this weekend. the tragic shooting last night and a grand jury process that seems to be extended indefinitely at least until january. >> well, yeah. mentally, physically as well as psychologically, they're stationary. they're pretty much at the same
place that they were on august 9th. they're still grieving. as you just eluded to, the process is still open. we're 61 days removed with no answers. no conclusion. it just seems to me that the longer that the time goes on, the longer that the grieving gets worse. the trust, as tremaine just eluded to, is wider. it's just not a good outcome for anyone on either front. >> you are calling for, the family is calling for, the appointment of a special prosecutor. why is that? what do you think that will do? why is that appropriate in this case? >> well, we think, at this point, it's crystal clear. what happened, chris, recently, darren wilson was scheduled to appear on another case. in fact, the case that he received the award for in a video that has been airing on the internet. he did not show up for that
case. it became clear to us that wait a minute, that's where the conflict lies. there's a clear conflict with this prosecutor's office in seeing that officer wilson is not indicted. and i'll tell you why. if he is indicted, cases like that and other cases and potentially all cases that darren wilson was scheduled the appear on or has appeared are now in jeopardy. they can call those cases into question. so if he's clear, then, obviously, those cases can go forward. as they're all being handled by the prosecutor's office, there's assistance out there that's in conflict of interest. it's by someone who doesn't have other cases that rely on this officer's testimony in order to prosecute. >> there are some who are sus suspicion in the motivation of the delay in the case of the grand jury which has been extended into the winter. some offer the idea that this is essentially waiting until it's
bitterly cold out when people aren't assembling on the street. do you think the delay is unreasonable? >> yes, sir. when you think about what we're looking at in terms of evidence, chris, you've heard it firsthand. i've heard it. i've seen it. there are witnesses out there that describe a scenario that's indicative of a crime. period. with those witness' testimony, all you have to do is charge the person who's accused of committing the crime. let me just point this out. if somebody else is contradicting that evidence through some other testimony, then what you have is a conflict in facts. so those facts need to be sorted out by a jury, not a grand jury. that evidence is still good and it should go through the
process. that's all we're claiming from the very beginning. >> we should note, legally, the threshold for an indictment is far below the threshold for a conviction. anthony gray, the attorney for the michael brown family, one of three, thank you very much. >> the latest in the battle between the secret service and the white house and it involves sex workers. that's ahead. you do a lot of things great.
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and now, one of those leaks appears to be directed towards the washington post. what is your reaction to this? >> you're right. it's a little strange to see the secret service doing this kind of thing. we normally think about them as this group of highly-trained professionals who are all, you know, upstanding and upright. it's a little jarring to see the secret service do that. they're going to strike back. that's one of the most time-honored ways to strike back wa. to tell the press some things they might not want to know.
former and current secret service agents say they're angry that none of its team members were not involved. and, at one level, i understand that. at the other level, i seems like the complaint here is that the individual's tasked with protecting the life of the president, his staff and his family, were held to a far-higher standard than a 25-year-old volunteer who is getting a per diem that does not seem crazy to me. >> right. they are highly trained professionals who have an incredibly serious job to do. that's why i think when this
certain story came out a couple of years ago, people were so shocked to hear that secret service agents, when you say that, everyone thinks clint eastwood, that they were down there in columbia covorting with prostitutes and getting drunk. they interviewed this guy, he denied it and they believed him. and the allegation there is the white house is masked with an internal i.g. report which is a big no-no in washington. you don't do that. that seems to be where the most exposure is in the white house. this was propelled right on the line between proper and improper white house saying inspector general, your portfolio is the
secret service and not our advanced team. >> and the chief conflict is between the person who is taking the lead of the investigation in the i.g.'s office and his boss who was the acting director of the i.g.'s office at the time. they are the two people who have the biggest disagreement. the investigatorer says he was being pressured. and that his information about the white house volunteer was taken out. the person who was the acting director at the time said that was just kind of the routine.
so the thing is, i am sure that we'll be learning more. if this is a battle, it's not going to end with this article. everyone is going to try to keep shaping the public understanding of it to their advantage. >> this is where it gets strange for me. you have a bureaucratic war and that's a weird thing since that secret service is there to protect the life of the president and his first family. it's very clear how this plays out if it's collates. >> that's troubling, itself.
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appearing to push lamar joy across the fence of the basketball court and then taking a wad of cash from him. he then proceeds to pepper spray joy and his sister when he asked for the money back. "we are aware of the alleged incident and it is being thoroughly investigated." mark claxton, mark, let me start with you. i want to talk about the video we saw before the break of the woman and the man on the corner in that neighborhood. what it hammered home to me, is it really run by rules or law or what the supreme court says? it is run by power and authority. no one at that point is citing what you can and can't be
stopped for by the supreme court. it's all who and what happens at the time it happens. >> it is so true. here you have the civilian. this is really where you mentioned it earlier with race and class and economic status, all colliding in this one video. but here you have this particular woman who happens to be an attorney, not only assert herself, but she ultimately admonished and then dismissed the police in this environment where you have all of these different elements that collided into one. it is really deep sociological study. >> you could write a dissertation partly because the woman who is the commanding presence here, the officers, the
suspect, who shouldn't have been a suspect is black and you're seeing the way that all of these power relations play out in realtime. >> i didn't know what was going to be the outcome of it. i am terrified that we're going to see somebody lose their life. and the anger at the woman who was being so assertive with law enforcement. those situations don't end well for us. and the relief that i felt afterwards, i can't express how important it is that there we saw a member of the public and the frustration, rage and hurt that so many people feel just because they don't feel they can do that because they don't live in that neighborhood.
>> mark, from the perspective of a police officer, i've been talking to the cops as we've been covering this more and more. you're in this dynamic situation. what is the rule of thumb there? >> if you can imagine dusty ohio, or more recently in indiana, you'll see the police reaction is vastly different and
much more dangerous for the person who asserts themselves. so for a police officer, it's just too subjective in the climate of law enforcement. >> it seems to me we are entering a new era. every time a video tape comes out, it gets aired. and when it gets aired, people are putting it in their heads. we have the kid in the backseat of the car in indiana who took out the camera. what is that going to do to all of us? >> we are in completely new terrain. i hope that there's going to be generally, more accountability. the other thing that's going on, at the same time, what's happening in ferguson, st. louis
and northwest d.c. is that law enforcement is also starting to collect data. so data is not going to go viral in the same way. we're going to have an actual audit of police behavior. and we can start comparing against that. my hope is that that becomes such a radical force for change and police culture as these viral videos are. >> mark, one officer, ex-officer i talked to in an interview a while back was talking to me about the problems of bad cops. someone you know on the force that is, even if not dirty, the way that they interact, disrespectful, they always escalate and they'll come into a situation that calms down. i blows up because they start calling people names. one of the possibilities is that the people get exposed.
the officer in that video, it appears, someone taking money out of season's wallet and pepper spraying someone, there's going to be accountability in that where if the camera wasn't, who knows. >> we hope that there's some level of accountability. keep in mind, the police officers are well aware that there are cameras there. so a camera, in itself, does not necessarily keep the police officer from engaging, you know, in engaging behavior that we find offensive and sometimes illegal. it's just one component of it. there is an expectation on so many different levels that the police will police themselves and are within their ranks that when you consider the law enforcement environment and strategies throughout the nation, this heavy handed, aggressive law enforcement. that seems problematic if not impossible at this time.
>> thank you, gentlemen. that is all in for this evening. >> good evening, chris. >> chuck todd, also, tonight, there's more news about the republican congressman who say they have secret knowledge that isis fighters have been captured inside the united states and are now in u.s. custody, but only they know about it. so there's lots to know tonight. we start with sad and adorable confusion. dan coats is the senator from indiana. dan coats served in the senate from 11989 to 1999. then he retired. 12 years after he retired, he came back. so dan coates has been around for a long time. there was one day when dan coates got lost.