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against isis are getting the job done. plus, how president obama plans to make the most of his last two years in the white house. there are also developments in the fight to prevent ebola from spreading here in the united states. enhanced screenings are set to begin at five u.s. airports this week where 94 passengers from west africa will arrive. we'll go live to jfk airport in new york. we'll go live there in just a moment, but, first, we start with the biggest political story this week. it involves hillary clinton. hillary clinton delivering one of her most powerful political speeches since 2008. she delivered it thursday night in philadelphia in what felt like a stump speech. clinton's address seemed to touch on issues for her own run for president in 2016. by far her most partisan speech since stepping down as secretary of state. >> when democrats fought for
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workers' rights so more families can make it into the middle class, when democrats fought for social security so that their parents would not live in poverty. when democrats fought for health care and education and civil rights so our children could grow up with opportunity and equality, you know they were fighting for families. and they were fighting for the future of every single family, not just our own. >> so, little bit of 2014 and 2016 mixed in there at the same time. are we seeing the unofficial start of the 2016 campaign? that's the question and joining us now to talk about it, we have jonathan alter and will cain, contributor to theblaze.com. thanks, everybody for being with us this morning. this hillary speech, we'll hear a lot of these over the next few weeks. she has this long october schedule. i'm listening to the theme of the race, but workers' rights, social security, health care,
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education. seems to me we keep hearing the supposing unease that exists on the left towards elizabeth clinton. there are others out there making a little bit of noise. that seemed to me, listening to that speech, that seemed in part in answer to that. she was stressing a lot of the ethemes the people on the left have some issues with and she seemed to reassure them on. that's what i was hearing. >> another interesting thing she was doing is not going back to these core democratic principles and tying it back to her own and give voters a reason why she's running and why she should be the next president. she mentioned her granddaughter and tied this idea of women's equality and also education being able to afford education, affordable education to her granddaughter. so you shouldn't have to be the daughter of a president and in
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order to access education. >> are we seeing the unofficial start of hillary's campaign. we saw it months ago, years ago. that looks like somebody stumping. that looks like somebody running for office. if that right there isn't honest enough for you, bill clinton this week, as well, was at a speech where he said the great thing about not being president is i can say whatever i want, that is, unless, your wife is running for president. so what we're hearing is honesty. the content, that's not new. democrats make that same speech every four, two years. workers rights, minimum wage, war on women. it's not new. maybe the tone for hillary is a little new. meaning a little more partisan and a little more campaign speech. >> she has more running room to the left than people have recognized. some liberal democrats who think she's a corporate democrat. and can somehow get into trouble as it ties to wall street. most interesting line in the speech when she went after corporations by name and she said they have all the rights of
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citizenship, but not are exercising the responsibilities of citizenship. she can move into, you know, bernie sanders' territory. >> is that her answer in a way what you were hearing in that speech this week. bernie sanders out there making noise and activists making noise. is that her answer to it? >> yeah, all she has to do is move a few degrees to the left and she can protect herself. she's really, you know, i don't want to admit how long it's been, but i will. 30 years of covering politics, i've actually never seen a frontrunner who is as strong as she is right now. >> it could always change. because american politics always changes. >> you're right on that point, though. we said in the road to 2008 we've never seen a democratic frontrunner like this. >> this is why she doesn't have it protect herself on the an anti-corporate environment. she has no challenge from the left. >> she will have a challenge.
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>> if elizabeth warren gets in and presents a threat. that doesn't exist right now. >> much more likely we're looking at bernie sanders. >> not a real threat. >> compared to elizabeth warren. >> what will happen is all of us will pay a lot of attention to bernie sanders or whoever it is on the left who challenges her and that person will win at least a couple. >> it's her personal, how much she can play that whole granddaughter, grandparent, women's role. i think that's potentially the most powerful thing she can play, if she can, again, reinvent her image. >> even if there isn't a candidate attacking her from the left who is as viable as her as elizabeth warren. also, is she going to be able to inspire activists on the left to be out there and in general and campaign for her. you're going after independent voters but you also need your
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base to turn out and be enthusiastic the entire time. >> the hillary clinton that we're seeing whether it's in this speech and 52 unofficial launches. the hillary clinton we're seeing right now, are you seeing anything different in, you think back to 2008 and you think back to the mistakes and whatever cost her the nomination in 2008. are you seeing signs she's learned something and applying a new lesson this time around? >> i don't feel like she is as concerned about speaking about herself as a woman. i think in the 2008 campaign you saw reluctance to do that. she was trying to be the first woman president and i understand and i think a lot of us understood why maybe they went about that tactic. i don't think she's shying away from that this time. earlier this week she made a comment a history of not saying no to charismatic attractive men, that's something that hillary clinton of 2008. >> remember, at the beginning of the 2008 campaign she said things like i'm in it to win it,
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which is maybe one of the dumber launch statements you can imagine. so process oriented. so, now, she has learned some things. i think she, you know, her team when i've spoken with them, you know, they are more supple. >> she's mentioned it all the time now and it's an interesting one. 2016 is still two years away, but a more pressing election to cover. one that is less than a month away and we'll decide which party controls the senate. a few weeks ago, democrats seem ready to begin maybe writing off the senate race in kentucky. looks like despite a tough challenge that senate minority leader mitch mcconnell can hold on to his seat. first blue grass poll came out which is the gold standard poll in kentucky. which shows grimes a lead over mcconnell and then made a surprise call to a louisville
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sports radio show which described him as combative and needlessly angry. grimes had a flub of her own. she refused to answer the question, did you vote for president obama? >> did you vote for president obama in 2008/2012? >> you know, this election isn't about the president. it's about making sure we put kentuckians back to work. >> did you vote for him? >> i was actually in '08 a delegate for hillary clinton. i think kentuckians know i'm a through and through. i respect the ballot box. >> there are some pundits saying grimes lost with that answer. who made the bigger blunder this week? how is this playing out in kentucky? i think people saw this story this week, too. mitch mcconnell calls into, one of these moments you can see how this happens from the campaign
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standpoint. sports radio show and you'll call and banter with the guy and turns out the guy is really up on the news and starts asking pointed questions about global warming and gay marriage and questions that really made him uncomfortable and his testy exchange comes across and we said we have grimes there, refusing three times to answer the who did you vote for question. and i think both of these, they're not so much about specific issues it me, they get to authenticity and likability. it raises the question this week between those two moments who had the less authentic or the more unlikable moment in terms of how people can relate to these guys. >> i'm interested to see what jonathan has to say. whether or not that flub from alison grimes. chuck todd said on this channel possibly a disqualifying factor. she would not stand behind president obama. >> people know and the president
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knows that you've got to, every man and woman for themselves. she has to run away from him. she'll run away from him and if as a result, the democrats will hold the senate is definitely worth the price. i think the bigger problem for her is that mcconnell can turn that into an ad where he both makes her look dodgy and connects her to obama at the same time. and that's his big card to play in kentucky is obama. if he cannot connect her every day to obama, he might very well might lose. he's not a very good candidate. that radio show showed how arroga arrogant he is. we saw that mitch mcconnell in washington for years. in kentucky under pressure. the voters there are seeing it a little more. it's not attractive and when you listen to that radio interview from the very start, when he can't even name his favorite player on the kentucky wildcats
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team, you can tell that he's in trouble and when he gets in trouble, rather than getting vague like alison grimes, he gets annoying. >> when i say it kind of gets to authenticity. grimes exchange we're playing, you feel as a viewer you're looking at robo candidate there. somebody who has been programmed to ever say the name obama and acknowledge any kind of tie. at the same time with mitch mcconnell and this radio interview. kentucky, think of kentucky sports as louisville and university of kentucky. red sox and yankees. you are one or you are the other. mitch mcconnell is a louisville guy he goes on and tries to say, yeah, i'm both. who would get away i'm a red sox fan and a yankees fan. >> you're right that authenticity is the issue. as a matter of partisanship, i agree with you, alisno
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lundergren grimes, she is not telling the truth. that's matters to voters. it's like, i don't know, one of your buddies hooks up with a girl and did you hook up with that girl, no comment. that's a yes. >> everyone is going to assume. >> that was a yes. just a dishonest yes. >> i assume what she's scared of elahe, something that can be turn under to a 30-second ad. >> there's no winning in that situation. maybe one way she could have won is just owning it and then saying, yes, but i disagree with him on x, y and z. either way, you'll end up with a clip. i think one of the other problems people have, she is not able to explain something that is interpreted as a tough vote. in the senate you have to take tough votes and be able to explain that. >> i was trying to think this week, where is the language you can use there. even if they turned it into the 30-second ad, it wouldn't be that damming. yeah, i checked his name off on
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the ballot because he wasn't mitt romney or something like that. >> a democrat. >> here's the thing, ultimately, it's not going to be about this. what it's going to be about is coal such a big issue that she can't get traction in the last three weeks. interesting thing, this blue grass poll which showed statistically dead even a big surprise for pundits the kind of wisdom, yeah, mcconnell is going to win. he is going to pull away at the end. the fact that she's in this is really interesting at this point. the problem is, she has to run flawlessly for the next three weeks. she can't make another single gaffe. >> now the best line that i heard from somebody this week, the best way she should have answered that question in kentucky, actually, i just drew a picture of a piece of
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. all right, turning now to the battle against the spread of ebola. the world health organization now says the number of deaths attributed to the outbreak has risen above 4,000. liberia and sierra lionne and the ebola patient that died in dallas earlier this week showed he had a 103 degree fever during his initial emergency room visit. he had severe pain that he rated an 8 on a scale of 1 to 10. he was discharged only to return to the hospital three days later. authorities are stepping up their efforts to prevent the spread of the virus. trained coast guard members are running those checks while homeland security trains others
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to take over that job. tell us more about the first screenings which are beginning today. why are joined live on the ground by nbc news correspondent kristen dahlgren. >> we're waiting for a flight from new guinea and west africa and then likely a few hours before they get through customs, immigration and then this new screening. as for how other passengers feel about all of this, though, some tell us that it makes them feel more relieved while others worry this is still not enough. 43% of travelers from the affected nations of guinea, sierra lionne entering through this airport. leaving people concerned what might come off the plane. >> i don't want to bring that
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home to my baby. >> reporter: representatives are on hand. whether they have been to the infected countries and could have had contact with an infected person and their temperatures monitored. travelers face isolated enhanced screening and possibly quarantine. for air travelers? >> hand sanitizer. >> reporter: fears of ebowl have been traveling since duncan died this week. a plane was quarantined in las vegas after reports a passenger vomited. and this was the scene onboard a usairways plane in the dominican republic after a passenger there sneezed and said he had ebola. another false alarm. stepped up screening will start at other international hot spots. washington dulles, chicago o'hare and newark next week. measures getting mixed reviews from travelers. >> screening is not a bad idea,
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but if someone is carrying the disease but isn't displaying symptoms yet, not going to pick them up. >> now, at least one lawmaker in texas is asking that the government expand this screening to airports in houston and dallas, even the head of the cdc has said in order to get zero risk of ebola in this country we need to stop its spread in west africa. >> my thanks to kristen dahlgren. thanks for joining us, appreciate it. we'll bring it back to the panel and talk about ebola. seems it me, obviously, a lot of different angles on this. the two interesting to me right now, one, the specific issues that happen in this texas hospital that raises more and more questions. this guy comes in and says i came over from west africa and i have pain and diarrhea and all these horrible symptoms and, by the way, they take his temperatures and it's 10 3 degrees and they let him go. the hospital is giving different
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versions about this. a lot of different questions on how the hospital is handling this. on the other hand, how the u.s., the official response is to this. as we see from that report right there at the airport today, looks like we're taking reasonable and comprehensive steps. what do you make of it right now? >> the skrecreenings at the airport, is to make us all feel better. if someone is carrying the virus but not yet symptommatic they will pass that screening with no problem and part of the screening relies on people being honest. you have to answer whether you may have come into contact with someone who has ebola. you have to be honest with that question or you may not know you were actually in contact with someone who had ebola. there were reports that thomas eric duncan, the dallas patient, did not believe he came into contact with an ebola patient. >> reports that he transported somebody to a hospital. >> no that he helped carry his landlord's daughter from the car
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back to the house. he thought it was a miscarriage because she did have a miscarriage. so, i mean, there's all of that at play. when you come into this country, he was not symptommatic. when that's when you're contagious. it can still come into this country despite asking those questions and taking temperatures at the airport. >> the trick with ebola and this will apply ito the government and media balance between appropriate caution and panic. jonathan said this during the break and i have to agree with it. you have more to fear from the flu than ebola. immediately after world war i. it was just more dangerous than the thing we all learned about and know about. ebola is dangerous, yes. do you need to be panicked about it? no. >> especially in the united states. a few weeks from now we'll say, remember how panicked we were in october about ebola because i think we already know now that it's in the united states and it's not going to spread like
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wildfire here. we know enough about the disease. the real disaster is away iwhere they're saying it is the worst situation since aids and they are saying there are terrible, terrible scenes of devastation in liberian villages and eventually there will be an accounting for this that will not make the united states look very good. we had an opportunity months ago to contain this in africa in conjunction with the actual community, international health community and we didn't show the proper leadership months ago to contain this in africa. but what's worse about that now for me is the political exploitation of this by the republicans, which i find absolutely that they want to take a public health emergency and try to squeeze some votes out of it in the mid-term election. throughout the republican party and they're saying ridiculous things like elect us and we'll make the government work. that's what rand paul said the
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other day. these are people who are against government, they hate government, they built their entire career on voting for cuts for the cdc and suddenly they're saying, oh, put us in and we'll do a better job on ebola, which is perposturous. >> that's a question, too, does it go over the line in and some of these cases have. >> i don't think ebola is an appropriate voting item. the small push back put on jonathan, running throughout the republican party. this is a platform for the republican party right now and it's not. whenever you attempt to paint an entire party with one simply bad idea for some guys, you overstepped. >> look at, okay, not every local republican is running on ebola. but look at the comments on fox and other places coming from republican leaders, republican presidential candidates and a lot of them are trying to fit
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this into a pattern of incompetence on the part of the obama administration. without knowing any facts and they're basically trying to paint obama and with reference to all other democrats as the ebola party or the party that couldn't handle ebola. now, i know all is fair and, you know, war and politics, but this, public health emergency, they should just give it a rest on ebola and the campaign. >> i agree. >> good note to end it on. my thanks to will cain of the blaze for getting up with us. elahe and jonathan, we'll see you later in the show. will republicans give up the ghost to opposition to gay marriage. that's next. ♪ "here i am. rock you like a hurricane." ♪ fiber one now makes cookies. find them in the cookie aisle. (receptionist) gunderman group is growing. getting in a groove. growth is gratifying.
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running dead even in one of the toitest house races in the country and his campaign was rocked yesterday with accusations accusation s. demaio denies the accusations. boehner's campaign spokesman says that today's fund-raiser is still on. boehner's interest in demaio's candidacy speaks to the commitment to broaden their image by helping at least one gay republican win election to congress this year. in addition to demaio also has a chance of winning next month. that sense of urgency among the washington establishment speaks to how quickly the issue of same-sex marriage is changing in this country. just last night, north carolina became the latest marriage equality state and the supreme court said same-sex marriages in
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iowa should proceed even as the appeals process continues. this comes on the heels of the supreme court decision earlier this week not to hear a handful of cases from states whose gay marriage bans have been overturned by lower courts. by doing so they made it the law of the land in half a dozen states. these are the places in america where same-sex couples could get married in the beginning of the week. 19 states in the district of columbia and this now is what this map looks like this morning with this historic shift we have to remember it was only ten years ago that george w. bush and the national gop ran their campaign on anti-gay marriage sentiment. there are still some republicans who are willing to fight tooth and nail to stop same-sex marriage. this week, mike huckabee called for a third party. the gop gives ground on other social issues. where is the gop on same-sex marriage. where is it headed and can it keep it together as the country moves forward on gay marriage
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even as the muck huckabees of the world cry stop. here to discuss it with us liz and, liz, thanks for joining us this morning. really appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> start with, i guess, the most recent polling numbers on this. the support for same-sex marriage and you break it down by party. democrats sitting at 63%, republicans at 41%. as far as i can tell, that's a pretty, that's a higher number than we're used to seeing among republicans suggest to me that it's growing pretty quickly there. but still not at majority level. when do you think it will get to the majority level there? >> pretty soon. if you look at a number of other polls, very significant movement well beyond what we've already seen which i agree with you has been significant. if you look at polling of republicans and republican-leaning independents under the age of 50, you see we're at majority level support. if you look at millennials, you see we're at a very high level of support above a majority. if you look at where catholic voters are, you see a majority and you can keep going through
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demographic by demographic and you see support for this has been building and at a majority level. what we're dealing with here is a very small minority in the party that treats this still as a very significant issue and something that they want the party to take a strong stand against it. what i would say to make huckabee, if he wants to start his own third party, by all means, do it. they'll never win an election and such a small minority. people who want to see a party take a small stand on this and treat this as a top three or four priority issue. i don't think that's politically viable for them. the vast majority of americans are not where they are on this even among social conservatives. treat abortion as a high priority issue. when it comes to the importance that they attach to it personally. that's a real problem for mike huckabee. >> so, i'm thinking back to a
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couple years ago when joe biden went on "meet the press" and said he's okay with gay marriage and then you had dominos falling. all these major democratic elected officials followed suit. i support gay marriage, i support gay marriage, the basic default of the party. you have cortman from ohio who has come out for gay marriage and just a couple others. when is that going to happen, do you think, on the republican side? >> i think, first of all, it is actually broader than what a lot of people think. you know, first of all, we do have four senators, elected senators who are on record as supporting same-sex marriage at this point. that is a reasonable number. we are not talking people considered to be the poster child rhinos of the party. lisa murkowski, conservatives who have issues with her. she did face a primary challenge in her last election and she managed to get herself re-elected. not somebody to be the equivalent of olympia snowe and
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portman himself is a pretty conservative guy. when you look at the house and look at house candidates, you have eight people who are strongly vocally in support of this. that is not a huge number. it is significant. we also have two republican gubernatorial candidates who are on support of this and plus we have a ton of other people who are influential within the party. when you look at the full spread of it, it has changed quite a bit. you don't have necessarily the same domino effect but i also think it's noteworthy that a lot of these republicans actually were quicker to come out and say they support same-sex marriage than even hillary clinton. portman was ahead of her in expressing his support for this. you have seen change within the party on this and you'll continue to see that. as to your point, when you were bringing in this segment, you were talking about washington, and i would urge people to go and look at two sides.
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first is the american unity fund site. they just launched a standout campaign that we are part of and you're seeing people from all over the country just grassroots republicans who are uploading videos and expressing their views in support of this. i would also look people to take the freedom to marry, which is a group i'm involved in. if you look at the leadership of that organization, really not that d.c. heavy. you find a lot of people from places like utah, indiana, new hampshire. all across the country, people who are supportive of this and these are people, these are people who are grassroots republicans and who are actually the voice of the party in their local areas. >> the question that i'm looking ahead going ahead when does that first major presidential republican candidate come out and i'm running in the primaries and for this. >> i think it's likely that rob portman will be running personally, that could happen very soon. stay tuned. >> we'll look for rob portman. my thanks to republican strategist liz mayor for joining us this morning.
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team of rivals. cabinet members on staffing approach of abraham lincoln. as thee rivals leave the administration, areas of disagreement with the president very publicly. earlier this year we heard from bob gates and hillary clinton. >> he approaches things like a law professor and presenting kind of a logic of his position. and there's nothing wrong with that. if you want to have a president who thinks through these issues. but my experience in washington is that logic alone doesn't work. once you lay out a position, you have to roll up your sleeves and you have to basically fight to get it done. >> one reason why david ignatius at "washington post" said washington is in need of a shakeup. the white house for its part pushed back and said the president appreciates his team. amid all of this, one-time liberal clinic of obama citing
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health reform, a steady economic recovery and financial reform. krugman called obama "one of the most consequential and successful presidents in american history." we thought we'd hit the pause button for a minute. has it been a successful presidency? what can he do in his next two years to leave a bigger mark on the country. joining me now to discuss this is robert george of "new york post." and jonathan alter is back with us. the paul krugman, as we know, has been very critical of a lot of the decisions this president has made now saying not just a successful presidency, but one of the most successful. is that how you look at it six years in? >> i think you have to say it's one of the most successful presidency. >> look what has to happen over the next six years. >> he needs to put a couple big
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point on the board and immigration reform and something that needs to cement his legacy. anybody who says this is a failed president doesn't know what they're talking about. looking at the actual record because in the first two years he actually had more accomplishments than say bill clinton did in eight years. if you're just looking at it -- >> he got health care reform through. >> two huge ones. not just health care reform, but also preventing a depression. we were losing 850,000 jobs a month when he took office and he turned that around and it was controversial, but he got it done. however, i think panetta is on to something. when he says that this president isn't fighting hard enough for what he believes in. so, for instance, the american jobs act, which he talked about a lot in 2011 and 2012, hadn't heard about it at all. rebuilding america. these midterms should be a referendum on rebuilding this
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country. democrats favre it, republicans have consistently voted against it. the president's political skills have been lacking in the last two or three years and that will mar his legancy, unless they can turn it around. >> how do you look at six years of president obama? >> well, i'm probably going to agree with jonathan that i think the president's political skills have been his biggest problem. i mean, it was relatively easy in the first couple years when you had a solid democratic majority in the house and the senate, but it's been proven less effective since then. yes, he did get through obama care, but obama care is still unpopular. it's not something that the republicans are exactly running on per se because they have other issues they can run on, but it's still, it's still not popular and if he ends up, you know, in the next couple years with a republican, with complete republican congress, he's going to be playing a defensive, a
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defensive game on that. so, i don't think it's necessary, i don't think one would call it a completely successful presidency and one of the most successful. i do agree, though, with john, he needs to do something solid over the next couple of years. if he can actually get immigration reform through what may be a unified republican congress. it may not be exactly what, it's going to be his exact liking, but it will be a big legislative achievement if he can do it and tax reform that is less likely. >> we'll get into this in the next hour, the question of the last two years and what happens if the republicans do take back the senate. we'll pick this discussion up in the next hour. and, also, the senate and the battle for the senate we keep talking about. may be going into overtime after november 4th. the election ends on november 4th and may be starting on november 4th. we'll tell you why, that's next.
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for months we have been telling you that on november 4th and we've been lying to you. well, maybe. because it's very possible that we have to wait until january of next year to find out. you can blame georgia for this, fresh signs a key senate race is suddenly heating up. republican david purdue leads michelle nunn by two points in a recent ppp survey, but perhaps more importantly, look at a third candidate in this race. libertarian amanda swafford getting 5% in that same poll. could be enough to get any candidate from breaking 50% in november and trigger a second runoff between just purdue and just nunn. that runoff held in early december but because of a
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complicated court ruling it will take place on january 6th, 2015. this is one of the very few states georgia where democrats have a chance to flip a seat and steal one from the dwgop. decisive when deciding senate control. purdue has been leading this race, but nunn who is the daughter of sam nunn picked up some momentum last week. in a 2005 deposition purdue said he spent most of his career outsourcing jobs then when purdue was asked on monday about his outsourcing record, he replied, "defendant it, i'm proud of it." an issue that nunn's campaign is hammering purdue over. will it be enough to lift her to victory on november 4th or force this race and the entire political world into overtime? joining me now to discuss the race in georgia is nate cohn. thanks for joining us this morning. so, we put the latest ppp poll up there and it shows at that,
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if something like this happened on election day, we would go to a runoff and the runoff would be in january. you're looking at these races really closely. what are the chances that is what happens in georgia? nobody gets 50% on election day. >> i think there's a good chance of a runoff in georgia. if it's a one or two or three-point race which is entirely conceivable than even 3% or 4% of the vote would be enough to force the runoff. the reason why i think nunn can do that well is because of demographic change. the likely electorate in november is going to be 64% white. nunn is not going to run far ahead of john kerry by voters and it's a different state now. purdue's problems with outsourcing and the investments are making, going it be enough to allow nunn to run ahead of past democratic candidates and that should be enough to get her up into the upper 40s and force a runoff even with strong
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national current coming in, sir. >> here's the second big question then. if there's a runoff in georgia and we have a two-month overtime election here. that's interesting. where it gets beyond interesting if on election night everything gets settled and louisiana may go to a runoff and some were in there and basically control of the senate comes on the line in georgia. georgia becomes the deciding state between a democratic majority in the senate and a republican majority in the senate. what are the odds of that happening? of this going to a runoff. you said those are pretty good. but those runoff deciding senate control. >> it's not inconceivable. for that to happen the republicans would need to pick up six seats and hold their other seats in states like kansas and south dakota. i think that's entirely possible. i think, though, that at the moment maybe the single likely scenario is that they do better than that. the republicans are not all that far away from looking like they
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have a clean advantage in a state like iowa and alaska and colorado. and although you can see the path to victory for independent candidates and candidates in south dakota, still a lot of time left for republicans to take advantage of some fertile terrain. >> actually, you just mentioned in that list of states where you say republicans might be solidifying. you mentioned colorado, mark amonth, two months ago seemed to be in decent shape. you say there's been some real movement there. >> i think that's right. not a lot of good news for him over the next few months. but, you know, in 2010 when senator bennett was able to beat a very controversial republican candidate, you know, the republicans weren't able to unify their base and bennett ran very well among registered independent voters and that allowed bennett to over come a six-point registration deficit between democrats and
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the siege of kobani in the next front against is oorx sirx. all right, thanks for staying with us this morning. in just a few minutes we'll bring you live to a report on the ground from ferguson, missouri, where activists are demanding the police officer who
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shot unarmed michael brown. why the democrats losing the senate might be the fix the obama administration needs in its last two years. somebody will argue that and i'll argue back. we begin this hour with the overnight developments on the fighting in syria. the united nations is warning that the week's long islamic offensive on the border town of kobani could end with hundreds of civilians being massacred. they are finding themselves outgunned and the u.n. syrian envoy called on turkey which asked forces to step in. "you remember srebrenica referring to a notorious july 1995 slaughter of thousands of sevilcivilians by serbian paramilitary troops. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel is in turkey and near the syrian border with the latest and, richard, what can you tell us this morning?
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>> there are concerns, as you just mentioned being voiced now by the u.n. that we could be watching a massacre in slow motion. that the city of kobani, which is almost entirely surrounded by isis militants. the only part of the town that is not controlled by isis militants is the part that is closest to the turkish border. there are turkish tanks there, there are turkish troops there. sometimes just a few hundred yards away from the isis militants and yet the turkish troops have done nuothing to intervene. in many cases they are preventing fighters from leaving from turkey to go and reinforce kobani and we don't know exactly how many people, how many civilians and fighters are in kobani. the numbers range from 700 civilians and a few thousand fighters to numbers considerably higher than that. the concern is that these fighters and civilians won't be
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able to hold out for much longer. isis will completely cut them off. and then carry out atrocities. and isis which has been very effective at using social media has already been posting pictures that appear to show atrociti atrocities. beheadings, piles of kurdish civilians dumped in the back of vehicles. isis fighters posing with bodies and the town hasn't even completely fallen yet. we're already seeing what would appear to be documentation of war crimes, it could get significantly worse if the militants take the rest of the city under the watchful eye of turkey, which is fully aware of this problem. in fact, the turkish government, the turkish president said not long ago that it's not turkey's problem, turkey is providing aid to refugees, but that what happens in kobani is serious problem. >> all right, my thanks to
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richard engel who joins us live from near the syrian border. appreciate the time this morning. visiting an air base in columbia yesterday chuck hagel is wondering how far turkey is going to go. train syrian opposition fighters in its borders as saudi arabia has agreed to do. joined now by retired general wesley clark, a formernato commander and a new book "don't wait for the next war." thank you for taking a few moments with us this morning. we just heard from richard engel saying he thinks he might watch a slow motion massacre playing out here where this town could be falling to isis and if isis gets in there you'll see horrible things and then just miles away, you've got turkish troops masked, and turkish troops who can step in there and put an end to this. why isn't turkey putting an end to this? >> i think there are at least two or three reasons why.
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number one, of course, for turkish troops to come in there, it is crossing the border into another country. so, that's an act of war against assad. when bashar assad attacks it escalates the concept of war legally. a lot of these fighters are kurdish fighters and a faction that has been fighting against turkey for several decades for kurdish independence. and so these two factors are complicating things. in addition, i think the turks have asked for several years now for u.s. help in dealing with assad. the united states has withheld that help. the turks ask us for air cover and ask for some participation with them and thus far we haven't said yes. we have not said yes. >> coo ydo you think the fate o kobani rests on this question of
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turkish intervention? can kobani hold on if the turks continue not to intervene? >> well, we ehave to be on the ground inside and looking at it. all the people there say it's doubtful. if you have unlimited or basically some flow of reinforcements and despite the air attacks on the outside to the isis power and you can't get the reinforcements in and you can't get fresh fighters in and get wounded out for the kurdish fighters, then, you can see where it's headed. so, it could very well be that kobani falls. that's not militarily strategic but that is certainly going to be a huge blow to world opinion and put a lot more pressure on us to take the united states to take more stronger action in a region. sd >> well, yeah, that would raise the question, so much of the strategy here is that we hear
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the refrain over and over no boots on the ground and provide air support to the kurds, maybe to the iraqi army and provide air support to people in the region to fight this fight. that is the strategy to defend kobani. in terms of how that could change the pressure around u.s. involvement, do you think then there would be stepped up calls for boots on the ground if the air strikes were insufficient for this? >> there are three agendas at work here. first of all, the agenda of it does take boots on the ground. that is a necessary, but not sufficient condition. after the boots. >> ron: the grounsomebody has t back in. it's not bashar assad. who is it? the moderate syrian opposition should come in and work. we have been working with these people but we haven't given them the go ahead. they said they need usair cover to come in. so, that's one. then there is partisan agenda in
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the united states. the people who believe that barack obama made a mistake by withdrawing from iraq. they want to say put the boots back on the ground, you see, you were wrong. you shouldn't have taken them off anyway. but this is a war that's motivated in part by religious extremism. and what isis really would like to have is u.s. forces on the ground so they can claim they're the only ones fighting against the infidels. we would be like putting gasoline on a fire. and there is a larger agenda at work, as well. because saudi arabia and qatar have funded extremists and now those extremists are coming after them at some point. so, they'd like us to come in and fight because their own soldiers aren't capable or their diplomacy is not effective enough to get in there and stop it without our boots on the ground. so, the administration got a huge problem dealing with this and they're trying to sort out now how active they must be. for us to put air cover over
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syria to protect the turkish intervention or to protect the moderate syrian opposition is a real declaration of war against assad. of course, that involves then going against possibly russian enforced air defenses and that's a big deal militarily. so, lots of issues open. >> that brings me to one other thing i want to ask you about. joe biden, the vice president, made a lot of news for comments he made basically saying that the turkish government, the government in turkey was in part responsible for the militant extremist build up in syria because they basically let these militants, biden saying come across the border and come into syria to join the fight against assad that resulted in all these groups that are causing such problem. he had to apologize for that, caused a big diplomatic issue between the united states and turkey. when you hear the argument that joe biden made before he apologized, do you think there
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was something to that? did he have a point? >> i think these people who were fighting with the militants got there somehow. so, they either came through lebanon, they came through turkey or wherever. whether they were identified as militants or just looked like young people driving in vans and going from one turkish city to another and from one safe house to another. we don't know what the details are. maybe vice president biden does. but i don't think turkey necessarily sponsored them as armed militants. but some of them probably did go through turkey in civilian clothes as tourists or whatever. that's typically what's been feeding this conflict over the last several years. ever since the u.s. intervened in iraq the presence of u.s. forces has drawn people from around the world wanting to fight there. it's becoming a cockpit of violence ever since we overthrew saddam hussein. >> retired general wesley clark joining us this morning.
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ed mcmahon never told anyone you may already be a loser, instead his job was to tell you that you might be the lucky recipient of a big, giant check for millions of dollars. in politics, the tag line, you may already be a loser has begun gaining a little currency in recent weeks, as in good news, democrats, you're going to lose the senate. that's the argument from bill shar. his argument republicans do win the senate next month, democrats stabd to gain some things like the opposition is on the verge
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of fully sharing with president obama the responsibility of running the country. and he predicts when it gets ugly, voters will play the gop. scher isn't alone in arguing this. obama might want to root for republicans to win in november. for mr. obama, in particular, full gop control of congress might well shift republicans' focus from stopping him to making things happen. bump points to some data that shows a divided government, one party controlling the white house and the other controlling congress can be more productive and this chart of the most productive congress since 1973, the yellow line show the years when there was divided government. most legislation was passed in those years. then, again, of course, what was arguably the biggest argument health care reform and the massive 2009 stimulus, those came when democrats controlled both the white house and
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congress. that was back in the first two years of obama's presidency. how much of what we're reading right now is just wishful thinking? if republicans win the senate next month any consulation prize for democrats? joining us now to talk about headline good news democrats will lose and bill scher and campaign for america's future and robert george joins us and elahe izadi back with us. isn't this what everybody on the cusp of losing says? oh, actually, it's fine. we're going to lose by 30 points, we thought we were going to lose by 40 it's a moral victory. >> i generally agree that is silly thinking. i think there are unusual circumstances in this election. normally, if you win the elections because the country is with you, politically, you have a popular agenda that people want to put into place. an opposition party like the republicans would become in the
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majority and force obama to sign or veto and putting him in the uncomfortable spot. that's not the current situation. they're not running on an agenda. you can't find a senate ad, vote for me and we'll pass this bill. they don't dothat. >> republicans still have the house and republicans get the senate and president obama is in the white house. right now, there's gridlock because the republican house and the white house won't agree on anything and everything and now the senate and the white house not agreeing. what is the difference? >> remember october 2013, remember the shut down debacle. you saw how dysfunctional the house ran and they're going to export their civil war to a second front, if they win the senate. they have to keep the government open for some period of time. right now it's open until december and have to pass the bill extended further and somewhere in the middle of 2015 and the debt limit extended to 2015. the plan to take spending bills and restrict the executive branch's authority and force it
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on obama's desk. >> you're saying all-out confrontation and all-out war between congress and the white house and it's going to be clarifying in a way that helps democrats. >> once obama vetoes those bills, which is aimed square in his eyes and punted back to mcconnell and boehner who have both said, we can't shut down the government. we can't have a debt default. what's the tea party caucus going to do? making mitch mcconnell's life miserab miserable. if they look uncapable of governing, that is a disaster for 2016. >> elahe, i'm curious what you think of this. you remember october 2013, not many people remember it. >> i remember it because i had to be there every single day. >> we heard at the time, this is going to give the democrats a majority of the house. >> at the same time there aren't very many national republican voices saying, that was a good
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vatgy, that was a good tactic. one thing when you have a divided government, everybody shares in the responsibility of governing and best interest to seem somewhat functional. right now republicans are able to say, washington is so dysfunctional and we have democrats in the senate and democrats in the white house. so, there's that at play. one of the pieces of legislation that were issues that could really come to the fort. maybe i'm being opmystic here, could be immigration reform because if republicans control the house and the senate and they're looking at 2016 and in their autopsy report after the last presidential election, that was the one policy recommendation that they have. they need to do something about this. that could be one issue where republicans might feel like, okay, now we can put together a bill where we're not making the kinds of compromises that maybe we had to make before and put together our republican vision for immigration reform. that could put the president in a bind and force him to compromise on that. >> i agree. we talked earlier on. i agree with that. i think immigration reform is
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the one issue that is actually in the best interest for republicans in congress and republicans running in 2016 and for obama's legacy. >> immigration reform, it left two republicans to define and draw up immigration reform would look different. >> it will look different and it will be on obama as to whether he's willing to settle for like maybe half a loaf of what he wanted in the context of comprehensive reform or what the republicans, or what the republicans are giving him. now, i have to disagree with bill with the idea that this is -- >> he hasn't heard that before. >> this is going to be nir vanna. i was working for newt gingrich back in the '90s when the republicans did have both the house and the senate. they were able to get things -- >> there was a shutdown. >> there was a shutdown. bill clinton, though, right after that election was basically trying to explain to
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the country why he was still relevant. and the point, though, was you were able to get certain things done. bill clinton, though, i think had better political skills in terms of going to the country, basically blaming, figuring out how to blame the republicans on shutdowns and force a kind of a compromise. i haven't seen that with president obama in the last, in the last couple years. >> so, bill, let's take that point. >> that doesn't, by the way, get into the whole idea of investigations. if barack obama thinks he's going to like having investigations both in the house and the senate in his last two years. >> also the nominations go through the senate. but one thing i want to pick up with you, bill, immigration. so, what elahe and robert are talking about now, let's say they have control of the house and senate. we can drop our own immigration proposal very different than what the democrats have been talking about. we'll pass it and put it on obama's desk and he doesn't want to be the president that doesn't veto immigration reform.
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does that put him in a bad spot? >> trickier spot for him if the bill had a version of legalization of undocumented, but not citizenship. that's a bit of a tough spot. >> it probably wouldn't. >> if it did not, if it was a pure, secure the border, that's an easy thing for obama to veto. but republicans have to solve their internal conflict on this question if they're going to do that and i see no evidence that they have. >> i think legalization but not citizenship is a compromise that boehner and a mitch mcconnell could take to the members. a lot of controversy, but i think that could get through. >> within all of this we have to remember that it doesn't look like republicans are going to be able to have a filibuster proof majority. they're always going to have to have democrats, some democrats with them and you make a very good point. two, three maybe of the gop presidential nominations are going to be coming from the house or the senate. >> or do they change the filibuster rules? democrats have started to change. >> democrats -- >> going to have to force these
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people to make, to take votes in the middle of a presidential season. where if hillary clinton runs and she's the frontrunner, she can stay out of that. >> the other thing to keep in mind with possibly three people running, running for president in the senate, ted cruz, rand paul and possibly marco rubio, they're going to be focused on the campaign trail. they may not have as much time as they want to keep making trouble in the senate. >> bill, give you the last word on this one. >> i think, basically, if republicans were ready for primetime, they would be in a great position to cue up 2016 by laying out what their vision for the country is. they are not running for primetime. they did not spend the last two years working out their internal differences and work out their dysfunctional family problems on the big stage. if they win. i'm not saying they're definitely going to win. >> my thanks to bill scher and
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thursday marked the two-month anniversary of unarmed michael brown by a ferguson, missouri, police officer. it began weeks of demonstrations and unrest and in st. rue lewis a weekend of new protests now under way. ron allen is live on the ground with the latest for us. ron? >> good morning, steve. thousands of people expected here who want to make a very loud statement on a very big stage. a stage that they are literally building right now behind me. protests so far have not really happened here in a big way in the heart of st. louis. they have been, for the most part, in ferguson. that is about to change during this weekend of resistance. the so-called weekend of
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resistance. many people demanding justice for michael brown and others who lost their lives in confrontations with police. >> we do this for mike brown. >> reporter: ferguson police headquarters, epicenter for another night of confrontation. for two months now protesters demanding the arrest and prosecution of officer darren wilson for shooting and killing unarmed teenager michael brown. as the crowd crossed the street, police appeared. and the tension began to build. anita jones mack brought her 3-year-old right up front. >> he needs to know exactly what's going on. >> reporter: in the crowd, demonstrators from across the country, with more expected to arrive. laurie making signs from new york. why come from new york? >> why not? we have to. this is a national problem. >> reporter: here renewed anger
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as another family of another 18-year-old claimed he, like michael brown, was an innocent victim. shot and killed by an off-duty police officer. >> he was respectful. he was my baby. >> reporter: police insists myers was armed and opened fire first after the officer had attempted to question him. but many here don't trust the authorities. especially since the officer who shot michael brown has not been charged with a crime. brown's father. >> at this point, i'm at peace, i'm not angry. >> subject to arrest. >> reporter: overnight, the protesters and police in riot gear squared off, face-to-face. eventually the crowd dispersed, but this weekend of resistance has just begun. overnight, police say they did not make any arrests and no reports of any significant violence, but authorities in the region are on high alert and a
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live from studio 3a in rockefeller center usa, it's time for "up against the clock." he can name all the presidents in 30 seconds. so we're only going to ask questions about vice presidents. say hello to jonathan alter. he hopes to advance to the next round of comp etition just like his favorite baseball team, the baltimore orioles. please welcome thomas roberts. and please wait a second while i come up with a punchline for this comedian. it's a elahe izadi. and now the host of "up against the clock" steve kornacki. >> oh, thank you, jim cutler. thank you, studio audience. thank you, everyone at home. thank you to our contestants. and our special guest today, thomas roberts. thank you for joining us. you red a eto play? >> yes, sir. >> you came to play today.
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to let you know how it works. thomas first-time contestant, jonathan is, as well. those of you just joining us a fast-pace political and current events quiz. questions are worth 100 points in the first round, 200 in the second and 300 in the third and contestants you can ring in any time, but be careful because you will be penalized for any incorrect answers and also we have two special bonus questions scattered in here. we will explain them, if and when they come up. our contestants today will be playing not just for victory, but also, maybe, a chance to play in our tournament of champions at the end of the season to qualify you're first going to have to win today, as always. i will implore our live studio audience. please, no outbursts. our contestants require absolute concentration. with that, contestants, i'll ask you to put your hands on your buzzers. 100 seconds on the clock. i have in my hands the 100-point questions here and we begin the game with this.
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the "wall street journal" reported on friday that president obama is considering using executive power to close this long controversial -- >> guantanamo bay. >> he is considering closing it. 100 points for jonathan. in an interview this week, mitt romney says that he prefers watching the down steers cast more than the upsteers cast -- >> elahe. >> "downton abbie." >> on wednesday, hillary clinton will continue her october campaign blitz when she joins this democratic candidate in kentucky. >> elahe. >> grimes. >> alison grimes is correct. that is our video instant bonus question. here's how it works. very simply this is a risk-free chance for you to double what you just won. to add an extra 100 points we have a special celebrity guest who is going to read a famous political quote. you will then to have to identify who said the quote. if you will direct your attention to our video monitor
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and say hello to hoda kotb. >> hey, everybody, i'm hoda with "today" show and here with the latest "up against the clock" quote of note. here's the question. which 20th century world leader once said, in politics, if you want something said, ask a man. if you want something done, ask a woman. >> i know. >> i will ask a woman. who said that? >> clinton, i don't know. >> no penalty. >> did you know. >> eleanor roosevelt. >> did you know it? >> i do. margaret thatcher and written down right in front of me. nobody loses anything. we put the clock back on the board. clocking in at 517 pages, all things possible, the new memoir by -- >> a new memoir by this -- jonathan. >> it's about nelson rockefeller. >> incorrect. >> a new memoir by this new york governor will be released on --
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>> andrew cuomo. >> you got it wrong. >> you're supposed to be locked out. >> 100 points. a lot going on there. she waits until he gives her the answer. over a month since this leader of north korea is -- >> 100 points for thomas. we all wear them with pride, first lady -- >> spanx. >> 100 point for elahe. >> this 2012 republican candidate who finished third in the new hampshire primary said this week he would not run for -- >> huntsman. >> huntsman said it this week. 100 point toss-up and reports this week that a television show about cars is being developed. >> jay leno. >> hosted by jay leno. 100 points for elahe. elahe at 500 and jonathan at zero there with that early jumping in on the cuomo question. but everybody still very much in this game. >> thank you for that. >> the stakes are about to get
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higher. we double the value. 200-point question. which means they're twice as hard. another bonus question scattered in here. we put 100 seconds on the clock and we start the 200-point round with this. apologizing this week for saying that women should trust "karma" in the workplace instead of asking for a pay raise -- >> microsoft. >> ceo of microsoft. >> 200-point toss-up. the new poll of capitol hill staffers by wash tonnian magazine ranked al franklin -- >> pat roberts. >> pat roberts as the second funniest senator. 200-point toss-up. introducing president obama at a fund-raiser on thursday night by saying, "you're so handsome -- >> gwyneth paltrow. >> on a roll here. 200-point toss-up. when jan hooks, the comedian that passed away at the age of 57 portrayed -- >> i was going to say eleanor
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cliff -- >> incorrect. >> i can complete the question. hillary clinton in the 1990s, which fellow cast member -- >> phil hartman. >> 200 points for thomas. 200-point toss-up. the democratic challenger to maine senator susan collins was this famous maine resident and -- >> stephen king. >> stop the clock. very exciting news for you, jonathan, by answering that question correctly you have triggered our use it or lose it bonus question. here is how it works. very simple. we have a follow-up question that is in some way related to the question you just answered. it is worth 200 points. you can double what you just won. but it is not a risk-free proposition. >> i have to. >> you can lose 200. i have the question. will you use it or lose it? >> use it. >> follow-up question. stephen king's 1982 short story "the body" became the basis for
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this hit 1986 rob reiner coming of age film. >> i know it! >> rob reiner coming of age film. >> take a guess. >> going to call time. thomas, you want to guess for nothing. >> "weird science." >> it was "stand by me." >> that will cost you 200, jonathan. we'll put the clock back on and go with this. this week fleetwood mac reunited with the original member who -- >> "don't stop thinking about tomorrow." >> next question, 200 points. locked in a tight re-election battle. this governor of colorado said this week -- jonathan. >> hickenlooper. >> at the wire. that's the end of the round. jonathan moving to 400 with that correct answer, thomas at 300,
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elahe at 900. gets very volatile when we move to the 300-point round. the ph.d. round. we dim the lights. the hardest but most valuable questions on the board. >> we dim the lights and unplug her monitor. >> that would be cheating. put 100 seconds on the clock. it begins with this question, this teenager known for her advocacy in education -- >> malala -- >> we need the last name. >> malala yousafzai. >> it was still her turn to answer. 300 points here. on friday, the u.s. army war college revoked the degree of montana senator john walsh after investigating his thesis for -- >> plagiarism. >> president obama on friday dedicated a national monument for the 13th time. this one in the san gabriel mountains of this state? >> california. >> california. >> 300-point toss-up. in a settlement agreed to this
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week, this telecommunication giant will pay -- >> at&t. >> at&t is correct. 300-point toss-up. a military team from the united states will be discussing steps to combat isis with turkish officials next week in this capital city of turkey. >> 300-point toss-up. bill clinton returned to his native arkansas this week -- thomas. >> that's true. >> it is true. but i'll complete the question. where he was first elected governor in what year? >> 1978. >> 1978 is correct. 300-point toss-up. the independent whose polls show he's closing in on the race previously served in the senate from 1979 to 1997 when he was defeated for re-election by this democrat? >> tom daschle. >> incorrect. any guesses here.
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all right, time. 300 points. end of the game, jonathan, the correct answer to that was tim johnson. the retiring democratic senator. it almost cost you the game, but it didn't. 1,300 for jonathan. thomas knew quite a few answers, ringing in a little early on a few of them. jonathan, as the winner, bill wolf is about to tell you what you've won. >> as our champion your name will be engraved using the finest sharpie ink on the "up against the clock" cup. personally autographed by wilfred and a $50 gift certificate to food cart manhattan operated by a former chef of the russian tea room. i had it for lunch today, delicious. enjoy the meal and congratulations. back to you, steve.
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>> i always say that third round a lot can happen, you just proved it, jonathan. a very dramatic comeback. to seal the deal and win the jackpot bonus. i have your question here. scott walker if he manages to defeat mary burke and win re-election of wisconsin, considered a likely candidate to run for president in 2016. who is the last wisconsin governor to run for president? >> pat lucy. >> incorrect. it was tommy thompson. tommy thompson running briefly in 2007. you do not win the bonus but get to keep the mug for a week and you get all the glory and honor and maybe, maybe a chance to come back. thomas, elahe, thank you for playing. you both receive the home edition. we'll be back with final thoughts in the show right after this. how much money do you have in your pocket right now? i have $40, $21. could something that small make
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all right. we have a few minutes here, which means it's time to find out what our guests know now that they didn't know in the week to begin. nobody knew you were coming for the big game show. you're back with us at table. you told a lot of people something you didn't know this week. you had an interesting piece that aireded yesterday morning about baseball. >> thanks. it was a really cool week. we have an intersection of sports and judicial policy that began because of the supreme court not taking up any of the cases that had to deal with marriage equality, and the fact that they decided not to do that opened up the flood gates for what we've seen now. and just overnight with north carolina now moving ahead to have marriage equality. so the easier thing to do than talk about the states that have marriage equality is to talk about the states that don't. there's only six states that ban marriage equality. north dakota, south dakota, and south carolina. the rest of the country either has the full right. there are six places that have a
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pro-marriage ruling and appellate level which paves the way for marriage. nirn places that have a pro marriage court ruling pending further action. so when we started the week. we did not have this, right? so here we sit today with almost the entire country in a swath of marriage equality. only six places. it's easier to talk about the six states that have no movement. it's like a light switch went on overnight. >> but you did a piece this week on also another realm where things are changing, but maybe about professional sports. >> the great point about this is billy bean is now the ambassador for conclusion on major league baseball. baseball does not have an out player. the mlb oversees more than 5,000 professional athletes when we talk about the pro leagues, the minor leagues, the latin academy, all these men coming up through the system, but we have these four teams that are working their way through the playoffs right now, on their way to the world series, and we have
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god the cards, st. louis, the orioles and the giants. all all of those states and cities recognize marriage equality. the attorney general said we will recognize marriages performed in other states. that's a state that falls in the gray area. but the attorney general said we're not going to keep other people from getting married elsewhere. an that being recognized here. we don't want people to come from other places and not be supported. so it's really encouraging to see. so billy bean is now in charge of trying to helm this. >> this is a former major leaguer that played for the padres. >> it's not the same. when people say baseball and billy bean. >> not money ball. >> two different billy beans who were big in baseball. so that's news. and jonathan, as the new reigning champion of "up against
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the clock." i look on the board and saw zero. >> they are won or lost in the third round. you proved it today. what do you know now, jonathan, that you didn't know when the week began. >> it's a little phony, because i did know this when the week began. nonetheless, it gives me a chance to plug that it was announced by amazon that the show i'm an executive producer of which is called alpha house, stars john goodman and wanda sykes and mark consuelos, it's going to be binged release on october 24th. the entire second season. >> this is the members of congress that live together. >> i should mention that. four republican senators who live in a man cave on capitol hill. the show was created by gary trudeau of doonsbury fame.
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we recently completed the second season. all ten episodes of season two will be available on october 24th. if you sub skrip to amazon prime. now the season concludes with awe gay marriage. >> all right. a little tease there. >> how about you? >> all right. i hate to be a little bit of a downer. but i learned a lot about ebola this week. one of the things that really came across the radar for me was all of these stories of acts of her ro heroism on the front lines. these health care workers have having to do these -- like going above and i don't what anyone should have to do and really putting themselves at risk. and there's a huge orphans crisis. there are all these ebola orphans. and all of these clinics opening up, don't know what to do with
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the babies and the children of these patients once their parents die. so, the math still favors the virus now. it's spreading in west africa. we're sending over troops. there's all this aide going. there's support going there. >> all right: we'll keep it at that. thanks for getting up this morning. and the online version of up against the clock on our facebook page. up next, melissa harris-perry. thanks for getting "up." no. it's called grid iq. the 4:51 is leaving at 4:51. ♪ they cut the power. it'll fix itself. power's back on. quick thinking traffic lights and self correcting power grids make the world predictable. thrillingly predictable. ♪searching with devotion ♪for a snack that isn't lame
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