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common hope and shared respect. and not since john xxiii have we brought a hope who's braught us both mutual respect and hope. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on "all in." >> kentuckyconnect is a web site. >> mitch mcconnell tries to have his state's popular health care exchange and eat it, too. tonight, chuck todd on the marquee senate race and paul cruben on obamacare. then, as president obama urges the world to do more to contain ebola. >> the transmission of this disease, obviously, directly threatens all of our populations. >> the father of the nbc freelancer currently being treated for the disease joins me tonight. plus, the mystery of the 50,000 voter registration applications in georgia. and we'll check in with the
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governor's race in vermont. >> i am a revolutionary, non-violent socialist. i am a sensationalist. >> "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york city. i'm chris hayes. voting is already underway, the first real snapshot in two key states, there's some good news for democrats. in isle way, a statistical dead heat and democratic senatorial campaign said today that more than 21,000 iowans have already voted. of those, 53% are registered as democrats and just 19% are republicans and 28% are afill rated. over 44,000 people have requested ballots as of yesterday and over 18,000 of those people didn't vote in 2010. of those voters, nearly 29% are democrats. all of this is important because
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democrats are increasingly banking on holding on to the senate by using the turnout machine they've now spent six years building during the obama era. in the end, all that matters is who's going to turn out. and, right now, the polling using if existing likely voting models have republicans with a pretty strong lead. polls show republican senate candidates leading arkansas which are both debating tonight. the new york times has republican's chances of taking back the senate at 52%. the democratic committee will no more be announcing ads kens kentucky. a very big night for democratic challenger alison grimes. grimes has been under attack over the last week for prefusin to answer a seemingly schism
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question, whether or not she voted for president obama. here's the thing, there's a much bigger, much more important question being opposed to her opponent, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. what will happen to the 500,000 people kentucky received health insurance through obamacare. >> kentuckyconnect is a web site. it was paid for by a $200 million grant from the federal government. the web site can continue. in my view, the best interest of the country can be achieved by pulling out obamacare. with regard to connect, it's a state exchange. they can continue it if they like to. they'll have to pay for it because the grant will be over. >> you would support the continuation of connect? >> it's a state decision. >> would you support it? >> yeah, it's fine, yeah. i think it's fine to have a web site, yeah. >> mitch mcconnell word salad was him saying he wants to kill
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obamacare and, yet, somehow, keep kentucky's obamacare web site but without all the legislative infrastructure that keeps it afloat. grimes seeing the opportunity to hit mcconnell. >> we have to have a senator that actually realizes what the realities are here in kentucky. and the fictional land that mitch mcconnell is in doesn't show what's happening in the state. we have people going to the doctor, filling prescriptions, getting check-ups. i will not be a senator that rips that insurance from their hand. >> big question will mcconnell will get away with that answer. i think that the politics of obamacare in this race are fascinating. this is a place in which a red state that implemented obamacare, it's doing quite well as a substantive matter. you see mitch mcconnell is kind of caught between a rock and a
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hard place. >> part of the reason in all of those senate battlegrounds is the idea of a persuadable opponent disappears. even though a majority, and we've shown it in our poll, we've got more numbers coming up tourm. it is growing, the antirepeal movement. it's growing. it's not, despite all of this advertising, it is a shrinking minority in the country. >> voters would want to -- >> fully repeal. who believe no, no, no, make some changes but you can't repeal it. this is over. and republican leaders know it. mitch mcconnell knows it. and that's why he had that bizarre word salad as you called that. >> part of me also wonders if what's happening is a fairly sophisticated calculation by people who now understand that it isn't going to be repealed or it's very unlikely that they can get away with repealing it.
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and so the stakes say those 500 500 500,000 people feel gridlocked. >> e y, yes, i hear you on that. i guess i go back to the raw. there is no way, and this is why repeal is a bizarre and bogus promise for anybody. now, this is what republicans were fearing. if you let it get implemented, you'll let them take it away. particularly in a state like kentucky that has a very poor population. >> i think there's an expectation that because of the political difficulty of taking people's health care away, there will be political upside for the democrats that are itch leapted. >> the theory of the case on this, you actually have to have a political party. >> they say 43 times in the
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house. >> i'm talking about the democratic party. every one of them has said no, no, no. and they come up with this. no, that's why i supported bills to fix it. . and then you say what bill? >> and it affects -- talks about the grandfather clause. >> if you're just sitting there going you're only actually helping to reinforce negative views of it. you're never going to turn it around unless the democratic party collectively said no, we're proud of this. and then they're going to run it. >> we've seen the president do that. >> and i think we did think because of kentucky&its unique experience that she has been running scared the entire time of anything with obama's name on it. >> well, that is -- no, no. and i think health care falls. >> i will play the mitch mcconnell ad features our very own mitch mcconnell. take a look. >> kentuckians expect her to
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cast a tough vote on anything? >> so you're not going to answer? >> i'm mitch mcconnell and i approve this message. >> i think she disqualified herself. i really do. >> your thoughts on being in a mitch mcconnell ad? >> it's sick to your stomach to be a part of a campaign. i don't like being a part of it at all. i think that it is one of those situations where she invited this on herself. and it feels as if she had a lot of consul tants whispering in her ear. whatever you do, don't give mitch mcconnell a line for a tv ad. >> that's right. so what they did was they went to "meet the press" which i think is sort of ironic because you have the democratic consultant bragging off the record. they've never been able to put an ad on her. >> and mitch mcconnell has ducked every interview. it's ridiculous. and people are saying why are you so tough on her? this has been the most cynical senate races.
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-- among the senate races, this has been the most cynical. it's very frustrating. we're all trying to have a better campaign. we want to see a better level of discourse. >> you want people to answer questions as a general rule. >> and now we're getting to the point where it's just the schismest thing. >> chuck todd, you can watch every sunday on nbc's "meet the press." if you went back in a time machine to 2010 and told everyone in the political world obamacare would be implemented, surpass all expectations, costless than expected, cover more people and slow premium growth and that all of that would produce no political benefits to democrats, people would think you are crazy. and, yet, that's exactly what happened. in this edition of "rolling stone," not only on health care, krugman argues that a tremendous amount has been accomplished under this president. those achievements might be politically invisible at the moment, but that doesn't mean that it didn't happen.
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he wasn't really taken with the president in the early days of his first campaign. he was critical of obama's early years. now he's a fan. >> if you're a progressive, you're part of a mind set that has spent 70 years trying to get more or less a guarantee of health insurance for americans. and now it's imperfect. it's not the plan you would devise, but it's there. it's working. and that, in itself, means we will emerge from 8 years of obama with a major substantive achievement that is a really, really big thing. >> yeah, let's talk about it. it's striking to me that this was the defining political debate of our time. i defined a lot of election in 2 08. it defined the early years of him all the way up to the supreme court. now, here we are, it's implem t implemented, it's working pretty well and it just disappeared. mitch mcconnell gives a word salad response on what are you going to do with the half a
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million people on obamacare and everyone just shrugs their shoulders. >> a lot of that is inherent in the structure of the thing. it had to be designed to someone who largely left people who had good insurance uninfected. by in large, you're able to keep what you had. it's imply kated at the state level. kentucky has this program and it works great and lots of people don't know that it's obamacare. and so on down the line. and then, on top of that, i guess you could say that the administration, obama himself, has never been that good at laying out the case of why this is a good idea and how it works. >> yeah, i think there's a key point here we think about what this could have been an obamacare election in some ways. there's folks like myself that think democrats could be even more aggressive. but your point is key here. the policy design is to design something as unintrusive as possible which then makes it a more difficult thing to run on when you've actually designed the thing that's not going to
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muck with more people's lives than is absolutely necessary. >> yeah, but that's the way it had to be, all right? if you're going to say okay, we're going to take away your health insurance and replace it with medicare for all. people wouldn't have believed it. it wouldn't have passed congress. you had to get something that was incremental and yet it's a huge thing. it means probably in the end, 30 million people who would not have had health insurance will have it and everyone else wroild get it if they would lose their job. >> has it beaten your expectations? has it surprised you in certain ways the numbers we're starting to get back? >> yeah, first of all, it is -- enrollments are running ahead of expectations, which is a good thing. but even more amazing, i think, is costs. this thing is costing less than we've expected. i've always been a single guy. i was kind of skeptical that market competition would be pretty ifective at holding down
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costs. but it looks like it is. the premiums are 15% below what they were expected to be. it looks like, if anything, a very small growth next year. and overall health costs, something has happened. they've really slowed down. you know, there's a bunch of cost control measures in the affordable care act and it looks like they're biting. >> the big question always is can you make this market work in a competitive fashion such that it keeps prices down, actually serves customers. it suggests more competition, buff it's a functioning market in so far as entrants want to go into it. >> it's fairly profitable for the insurers, which is good because we get more of them. and is doing that with much lower premiums than expected. what we did is we set ground rules. the insurance companies cannot compete by being who can be best at giving health insurance to people who really need it. they have to, instead,
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delivering value for money, and, by god, it's working. >> do you see that the republicans have all but given up on repealing it? it's pretty clear mitch mcconnell has given up. susan collins came out the other day and said it's not going to happen. this is going to be with us for a while. >> yeah, nothing is forever, buff it's going to be with us. and that was always the intention, by the way. the political strategy was created, tens of millions of people receiving coverage and it then becomes something you can't do away with. i want's not what you -- that's not why you're supposed to be in politics. you're supposed to be in politics to do good things. >> that's a good point. great to have you. >> great, thanks. >> what's one of the biggest risks to national security right now according to the department
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investigated the link between climate change and armed conflict as it's happening right now in syria. the showtime series living dangerously earlier this year. now, we've got the united states military itself announcing in a new report that it views climate change as an immediate, not future, risk to national surt. due to that, the pentagon will aim claims into all of its operations. not for some sort of future, theoretical, worst case scenario planning. for right now. the report was released monday. in it, defense secretary chuck hegel wrote in our defense strategy, we refer to climate change as a threat multiplayer because it has the potential to
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exacerbate infectious disease to terrorism. we are beginning to see some of these impacts. the court goes onto warn impacts damaging infrastructure, spreading disease, uprooting and displacing large numbers of people, compelling mass migration, interrupting commercialblety. in turn, can already undermine fragile competition. that can create an avenue for extremist ideologies and conditions that foster terrorism. joining me now, professor and global studies at new york university and author of a fantastic book called "tropic of chaos, climate change and the new geography of chaos." you wrote a book focused precisely on it. and your book was the first time that i encountered this idea of the planet warming. we don't think of those two. what does one have to do with
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the other? there was someone the other day saying oh, climate change is responsible for isis. walk me through how that can happen? >> well, from the excellent years project, did it well. the onset of extreme weather marked by droughts and flooding impacts agriculture. but then there's a process of displacement. what happened in syria was people moved from the country side to the city. what i did, and my book was looking at how climate change interacts with other forms of bad policy to create these other violent out bursts. it's very rare that it acts alone outside of economic or previous military context. >> and it could be the strike of the bill yard ball. so, in syria, you have a drought. huge migration into the city. so you've got all of these people moving. and then you eve got the farmer saying to the government, you're not doing anything to help us. we are dying here.
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that creates the possible condition for the uprising. >> yes. and you see it again and again from around the world. people are displaced often into cities where they struggle not in the name of resources, but over ethnic differences and religious differences and their prize is the state in transforming society and this is met, unfortunately, frequently by the west. and the key crises is the legacy of the cold war and the hot proxy wars which limit the global south and a generation of extreme, free market economic policies pushed through the im,f and powerful development on economies that say no, if you want growth and efficiency, you have to cut your government and reduce your government. the reality is that that means farmers have no agricultural extension programs to go to. so they pick up those cheap guns left over from the cold war and
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go rate their neighbor's cattle. >> the people that are the most exposed, the thing that are the people that are most exposed to climate risk, right, the people that make their livelihood by what the weather is. and that's about a two billion or billion and a half people that are farmers, right? neighbors fight with people over water, move to the cities, that's when societies sort of start to tilt into instability? >> yes. and the problem is, among -- a piece of the problem is responding to this as a purely military -- >> that's right. >> they say okay, what we need is more spending on military. >> or more guns flowing into regions that are being destabilized. >> and no examination of how american military policy has ax which youly weakened states and created failed states. look, libya is a failed state. that's not going to make it any
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easier for libya to cope with climate change. >> the thought of living in a world where you have a wash and a ton of weapons while environmental disasters increase is not a pretty picture for global stability out into the future. thank you very much. if you do not live in vermont, which i'm guessing the majority of you don't, or you're a complete obsessive political junkie, we've got a treat for you. you probably didn't see that state's gubernatorial debate. oh, boy. some must-see highlights next. m will get you to the loading dock. ♪ there should be a truck leaving now. i got it. now jump off the bridge. what? in 3...2...1... are you kidding me? go. right on time. right now, over 20,000 trains are running reliably. we call that predictable. thrillingly predictable.
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i really want to get an idea of how you intend to tackle the economy. >> as it says in my motorcycle club, hey, diddle fiddle, right up the middle. that's me style. >> we learned an important lesson earlier this year. politics is much more interesting when all candidates running for audience are encouraged to participate. we were reminded that lesson recently in the vermont gubernatorial debate which featured all seven candidates on the ballot. a diverse round up of green mountain state politicals which caught the eye of many. gubernatorial race spurs internet discussions, yes. this was a debate tailor-made for internet discussions.
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it only got more interesting from there. >> why don't we begin by telling us a little bit about yourselves and how you've prepared for the top political office in the land. mr. diamondstone? >> i am a revolutionary, non-vie lent socialist. >> i consider myself what is known as a light worker. and why i'm in the race is to bring forth the very exciting solutions. >> my name is scott mill. i'm a third generation, born in vermont -- take that back, i was born in brooklyn. >> second of all, i would reinstate all the rest areas on the state highway that peter shemlin has removed. >> we've actually been adding state rest areas. >> you've taken them out in '91 and '89. >> i can assure you that there have been no rest areas removed.
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>> we need to stop the military. zero military budget. close all the bases. stop the factories that build all of that equipment and ship it off to the zionist regime so it can defend itself against the jie gantic gazan military. >> the question was about informing the department for children and families. mr. peters? >> we will continue to monitor that race very closely. don't go away. the parents of the nbc camera man who contracted ebola in west africa joining me next. n: [ baby steps now. but they were some pretty good moves. and the best move of all? having the right partner at my side. it's so much better that way. [ male announcer ] have the right partner at your side. consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company.
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on its current trajectory. today, president obama took the international community to task for failing to do its part in fighting the virus. >> the world, as a whole, is not doing enough. there are a numb brer of countries that have capacity that have not yet stepped up. those that have stepped up, all of us are going to have to do more because unless we contain this at the source, this is going to continue to pose a threat. >> but in all of that, there's good news to report here at home. nina fomm, the first person to contract ebola in the u.s. was just upgraded to good condition. she made her first public statement today since being diagnose noeszed over the weekend. i'm doing well and want to thank everyone for their kind wishes and prayers. >> i think we could, in
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retrospect, with 20/20 hindsight, we could have sent a more robust hospital infection control team and be more hands on with the hospital from day one about exactly how this should be managed. >> the cdc announced plans to suspend emergency response teams. and while health officials are monitoring an additional 7 6 people who may have had some kind of contact with duncan during his treatment, the 48 people he had contact with before being admitted to the hospital have now gotten through the high-risk period without symptoms. they'll continue to monitor for the rest of the 21-maximum day incubation period. meanwhile, the free laynce photographer has made so much improvement, he was well enough to send out the following tweet.
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joining me now, thank you both for joining me. maybe i'll begin with you, dianna, if you can tell me how your son is doing and how you're feeling about it all? >> every day i speak to him, his voice sounds stronger and he sounds better and he sounds more optimistic. so we're feeling tremendous relief, obviously, there have been some very frightening moments over the past ten days or two weeks since he realized he was sick. now we're feeling tremendous relief and really believing that ashoka is going to be back home with his family. endless gratitude to so many people who have participated in his good health. >> dr. leavy, it seems a testament to the american infrastructure and the importance of early identification because we've
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seen such different tra jekt ris for different people that have actually contracted the illness. >> yeah, i any that's exactly right, chris. and i think that's why i was so determined to get ahoka out as quickly as possible because, you're right. early identification and early supportive therapy seems to be the mainstay of the treatment for ebola right now. >> how do the two of you -- how are you processing the coverage of ebola, the fears there are over its contraction, which i think are probably not proportional to the actual threat but also completely understandable. when your son actually does have it, appears to be on the mend. what do you make of the way that we're all handling this the way it's being covered, doctor? >> yeah, that's a very good question. i processed hearing about his illness as any member of the population would be. i didn't process it as a physician, i processed it as a father.
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and when i first heard via his text that he was worried and he was in trouble, my heart sunk and i had all the fears that we all have when we hear the word ebola. i immediately feared for his wife and i was worried and i thought what are we going to do next? and through the support of a lot of people on the ground in monrovia, the state department and nbc news, i was fortunate enough and ahoka was fortunate enough to get out of there quickly so he could get support in a hurry. >> dia 234rks a, how have you been processing all of this? >> pretty much the same way as my husband. from the perspective when i first got the phone call 3:00 in the morning, that ahoka probably 45d ebola, i was absolutely terrified. i was facing the prospect of losing my son. all i can say, at this point, we've obviously been through a tremendously rocky road. there's so many people that have been a chain of wonderful people
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from beginning to end who have really participated and made it possible for ashoka to get to the nebraska medical center and get the care that he has. i'm feeling both relief after a period of incredible stress and anxiety and enormous gratitude. >> diana have you actually been able to see your son? have you physically seen him? or can you skype with him and see how he's looking? >> the only time we actually set eyes on him was from quite a great distance when he was wheeled into the biocontainment unit. but we were able to speak with him over a video cam so we could see him because he has a camera in his room and we were in a room old the biocontainment unit in the hospital in nebraska and we were able to look at him on the screen. now, i just talk to him on the telephone pretty regularly. so i'm looking forward to seeing him in person and giving him a hug. >> dr. leavy, one of the thing
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things he tweet was act having gone through the disease with his son and having thought at the folks in west africa where he was covering this. and it does make you think about the scale that they must be trying to deal with when you look at the unbelievable chain of resources to the cases here in the u.s. and all the people and all the expense and labor that has gone into treating those people, what it would be like to be handling that in a place like liberia or sierr sierra leone. >> yeah, that's the challenge. the irony, of course, is all -- and i don't mean to minimize it. but what ashoka's received since he got on the plane and since he arrived in nebraska was fluids in his veins. and we, in the developed world, take for granted as a mainstay hospital care. simple salt water infused into your blood vessels. in under resource countries, they don't have access to that.
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they don't have access to the health care workers who can put intravenous lines into people's veins. so what seems like something that's so common here in developed countries is actually a precious resource. >> thank you very much and we wish your son all of the best. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> those are amazing people. it's not often you see a list of greatest quotes from a judicial ruling floating around the internet. but it exists and it's great and it's next. create things that help people. design safer cars. faster computers. smarter grids and smarter phones. think up new ways to produce energy. ♪ be an engineer. solve problems the world needs solved. what are you waiting for? changing the world is part of the job description. [ male announcer ] join the scientists and engineers of exxonmobil in inspiring america's future engineers. energy lives here. what's in a can
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one of the top conservative federal judges in the country, one of the great legal minds of a generation, perhaps in the history of american jurisprudence has issued an absolutely stinging opinion in a wisconsin case e vis rating just about all of the rationale you've heard justifying voter id laws. this decision comes at a particular surprise because it was this same judge, the 7th sir skut court of appeals who, in 2007, wrote the opinion upholding a voter id law in indiana, an opinion subsequently upheld a year later in the supreme court. and it's that supreme court, the conservative lawmaker after conservative lawmaker have cited to support the similar laws across the country. in his opinion released on
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friday, judge posner who, full disclosure, o fish yated my own wedding, as it happens, takes a sledge hammer to the arguments in favor of voter id. when it comes to combatting an ert, posner points out there is no evidence that voter impersonation fraud is a problem. how can the fact that a legislature says it's a problem turn it into one? he goes onto call out the bad faith of conservative legislatures writing photoid requirements are, indeed, highly correlated with the states having republican control of the government. a number of conservative states try to make it difficult for people who are outside the mainstream, whether because of poverty or race or problems of the english language to vote. then posner seems to perfectly capture the absurdity of some of the arguments in favor of voter id with this line. some of the evidence of voter
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impersonation fraud is down right goofy, if not paranoid. such as nonexistent buss. the bottom line, posner writes, that any argument in favor conjures up a fact-free cocoon. let me remind you that posner was writing the decent in this case. as it happens, the u.s. supreme court stepped in and blocked that vote id law from taking effect ef enthough posner didn't win with his fellow judges. an hour ago, a federal appeals court reinstated texas's voter id law for next month's election. this overrules last week's federal decision by a judge that is e says no, you can't implement it. joining me now, judith brow brown dianis. let's start with this posner opinion. it's an incredible joy to read. >> it's great. >> it leaves nothing standing.
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basically, the argument is, look, i had this five years ago or seven years ago, i guess and i thought yeah, i guess it's possible. voter fraud is happening. and in seven years, you guy have produced no evidence. it's not happening. ergo, this is a bad effort to restrict the vote. >> he has been enlightened. . and that is a wonderful thing. as a civil rights attorney, during my career because of the bush and reagan years, i actually start with the decents. that's where i read first because it makes the most sense. and if you really read it, he tears apart every reason that conservatives have had for voter id, calling voter fraud paranoid and goofy. i mean, going onto actually call his own courts, the other judges, pacically elitist saying, you know, we get free ids as judges from court security. but other people aren't so lucky. and so it is just a great example of a decent that we will rely upon when we get to the supreme court again.
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>> and it's also, to me, it's also an example of, you know, someone changing their mind according to the facts. and what i think is so important is, you know, we've now had years and years of the folks talking about voter fraud. and study after study, whether it was the witch hunt they went on in iowa and they spent a lot of taxpayer money and came up with a handful of cases. every place that you go looking for this, you don't find it, you find it prance a smattering tiny little micropercentage. here's someone saying look, it's just not happening. it's an empirical matter and it's just not happening. >> that's right. and he points that out. and he really does say that, you know, this is a solution in search of a problem. and, for years, you know, here's someone who, as you said, wrote the opinion that went to the supreme court case. and he's moving back from that. and what he relied upon was a case in wisconsin that advancement project when the aclu brought very compelling
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evidence of people who couldn't get ids because they didn't have birth certificates. 300,000 people didn't vote for this. you have 600,000 people who didn't have that id and the court said it's an unconstitutional poll tax. our case in wisconsin was brought both under the constitution and the voting rights act. and the voting rights act really has been an important piece of legislation that has stopped this voter suppression from happening. >> so the supreme court stepped in and said no, no, you can't be mucking with the rules. duke they're going to come in and step in and do the same in texas? >> i think that's what will happen in texas. we're too close to an election. 600,000 people. they'd have to issue 6,000 ids per day in order to get everybody an id. >> we will see. thank you so much. so what happened to 50,000 voter registration forms that have seemingly vanished in
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and they're suing to make sure those georgians can still cast a vote. brian kemp is currently investigating the georgia project over accusations of alleged voter registration fraud. "all in" reached out to ask for comment on the lawsuit. >> as we first told you the question is pivotal to selection. >> in 2008, john mccane won the state by 204 votes. in 2010, deal won by 258,000 votes. mitt romney won the state by 304,000 votes. organizers say there are roughly 830,000 unregistered voters of color in the state. their can register 90% of them and 70 pnt of those people vote,
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that's over 520,000 new voters. if 80% go for democrats, kwh is not an unlikely rate, democrats could wind up netting just over 310,000 new votes. enough to beat nathan diel in 2010, enough to give barack obama wins in 20008 and 2012. according to that math, georgia turns blue. >> and it's not just organizers saying that. here's what the secretary of state who is in charge of elections told a group of fellow americans replied. black blank. >> joining me now, georgia state house minority leader, a leader of the new georgia project. you guys registered a bunch of voters. you turned over the voter registration forms and then -- i don't get this. what has happened to them? how do you know they're missing? who says they're missing?
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where are they? >> that's what we're trying to find out. that's kbaktly the problem. we took meticulous records. we recorded information that we were allowed to record and we followed up. we tracked these voters through the system and more than 40,000 -- between 40 and 50,000 of them are not appearing on the pending list, which is the list of voter who is have some issue with their application and they're not appearing on the voter rolls. these are also voters who have not received communications or if they have, were very confusing or repetitive. what we're asking for is exactly what you're saying. we want to know what happened. that's why we reached out to the secretary of state's office three times. they declined to meet with us and they declined to meet with the lawyer's committee and failing the ability to actually speak with the secretary of state, we had no choice but to file. it's asking him to take action. >> you guys send your folks out with clipboards. they come up to me, get my information, i fill out a voter registration form.
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you then turn that over to the secretary of state office as mandated by law, if i understand that correctly, and then you have a back-up excel spread sheet. and months later you say where's chris hayes on the voter's roll. and i'm not appearing. that's basically what you're saying? you look on the back-ups and you've got 40, 50,000 names of people that aren't appear sng. >> exactly. it's not only happening to us. it's also happening to the ncaap and we just happen to be the largest effort in the state. i realized when we started the new georgia project that we would blt have the protection except for the voting rights act. we made sure we kept records so we could follow through and make sure every person who tried to register was allowed to vote. >> let's go through some possible options. one is you're screwing up. are you confident in your own records? >> we are. in fact, we asked the lawyer's committee to come in and take a
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look at it. they had a third party actually do a data analysis of our information. this wurnt the new georgia project saying there's a problem. we asked the third party to verify it. the national lawyer's commit tell does not just step in. they found our evidence to be credible and that's why they agreed to take our case. >> okay. there's another possibility, which is there's a bureaucratic problem. that the processing infrastructure in the secretary of state's office. there's also the most cynical interpretation that someone over there is just, you know, we lost the forms. is that what you're alleging? >> no. and we don't believe the forms are lost. what we are asking for is exactly what happened. the state of georgia is using a new citizenship matching system that looks at driver's licenses and it also looks at social security numbers. the majority of our amly kantds are under the age of 35. many of them are under the age of 25. a lot of them don't have driver's leenss. maybe it's a mismatch in the system and that's why they're being kicked out. we don't know. what we're asking for is very simple.
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transparency. whether it's jared thomas or brian kemp. this isot a matter of being frivolous. this is a matter of seeking information because the most sacred right we have as americans is being jeopardized. >> georgia state representative stay sill abrams. thank you. that is "all in for this evening." >> good evening, chris. thank you. and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. we 'got a big show tonight. the nation's top expert on infectious disease is going to be with us tonight. very much plooking forward to that conversation. but we need to start tonight with some breaking news from the united states supreme court. late tonight, just within the last couple of hours, the u.s. supreme court has handed down a pretty significant ruling on abortion rights. the u.s. supreme court tonight reversed a lower court ruling that earlier this month had shut down all but the last handful of abortion clinics in the state of texas. tonight, because of this

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