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exist in the work environment. jennifer, great to have you with us tonight. keep up the great work in wisconsin. that's "the ed" "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> thanks to you for tuning in. developing news tonight on ebola in america. the president today making a major announcement in the fight against the virus. choosing a czar, an ebola response coordinator to orchestrate the government's response. president obama going with ron claim, who's got a lot of experience in washington, serving as chief of staff to two president, joe biden and al gore. the president saying, his administration is on top of this. >> right now, the news is dominated by ebola and we have
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an all-hands on deck approach across government to make sure we are keeping the american people safe. >> here's the latest right now, concern today about a texas health care worker who possibly had contact with the late thomas eric duncan's lab specimens, and is now on a carnival cruise ship. that person is now in self-quarantine. and officials say she hasn't shown any symptoms. and today also, officials are asking nearly 100 health care workers who treated duncan, to sign documents, advising them to avoid public spaces for 21 days. in maryland, the head of the nih this morning, giving an update on the condition of nina pham. she's the first person to be diagnosed on u.s. soil. and she arrived in bethesda from
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texas overnight. >> i said she was in fair condition, which implies that she does still have some symptoms. we fully intend to have this patient walk out of this hospital. >> and prior to leaving dallas, the world got a window into nina pham's spirit in an extraordinary video released by texas presbyterian hospital. [ indiscernible ] >> but the big news today, president obama tasking ron clane to coordinate the government's response and make sure the country is safe. joining me now is dr. steven morse, an expert in infectious diseases and professor at columbia university, and ej.
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deion from "the washington po " post." >> good to be here. >> i want to hear from you on a medical perspective and a political one. how important is the appointment of an ebola czar? doctor, let's go to you first. what's your take? >> well, i think that it's important that someone be designated who is in charge and has the authority to do something. we already have several people who have suitable backgrounds for that and in past epidemics that might have been done by the director of the cdc or someone in the department of health and human services. i think a lot depends on the authority that this person will be given and how much they'll be able to coordinate what is always a large governmental process. >> what's the politics of this appointment in your opinion, ej? >> well, first of all, i think ron clane is the kind of guy you do bring in for something like this. on the republican side, he'd be like josh bolton, a really
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competent republican who worked for president bush. ron is tough, smart, focused, organized and you can't get stuff by him. i think part of his job is to reassure americans that everything is organized, that one part of the government is talking to another part of the government. and i found it really strange today when some republicans got out and said, oh, this is a very political appointment, and yes, he does have a good political background. i mean, if you wanted somebody there who had a medical background, why in the world are they blocking the confirmation of a surgeon general? >> a little contradictory. >> murthy. they're blocking him because the nra doesn't like him because dr. murthy thinks gun violence is a public health problem, which it is. >> right. >> ron klain is the kind of guy you bring in in this kind of situation. >> now, let me ask you this,
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doctor. concern about the person that was on the -- that's on the carnival cruise ship that had been exposed to mr. duncan's specimens, is that a realistic concern or is that giving away to being too paranoid? >> well, people want to be very careful about this. because the consequences of making a mistake, catching ebola, obviously, are so great. this could be a fatal disease which gives you a 50/50 chance -- >> you have a 50/50 chance because they were exposed to the specimen? >> no. because they were exposed. no, if someone were to come down with ebola. >> what is the likelihood of exposure to the specimen that this person could have the symptoms leading to -- >> it depends on how the specimen was treated. many laboratories will do
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something like alcohol that inactivates the virus and then it would be pretty safe. so the risk would be very low. >> because we're hearing there's been no symptoms detected in -- this was 21 days ago when he was -- we're dealing with. >> well, in that case, i wouldn't expect to see anything happen. but in a laboratory situation like that, where you're testing clinical specimens, generally, you try to inactivate the sample so there's no live virus and it's usually low-risk. >> the debate over travel, ej, the travel ban is raging as a debate. republicans seem to want it. many democrats are against it. here's what the president said last night. listen. >> i don't have a philosophical objection necessarily to a travel ban if that is the thing that is going to keep the american people safe. the problem is that, in all the discussions i've had thus far with experts in the field,
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experts in infectious disease, is that a travel ban is less effective than the measures that we are currently instituting. >> ej, how do you see the politics of this playing out, this travel ban debate? >> well, you know, the travel ban just seems so much like the kind of solution you toss out there three weeks before an election, because it sounds really aggressive. it has the sense of, keep that danger away from our shores. and as the president said, it's not clear that it's the best route. it would also be incredibly complicated, i think, to enforce. we are a country that's always been very open to the world. that's one of our strengths. having said all that, i heard, not from politicians, but from some seriously health experts, that if it was necessary, it would help to protect us, then
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i'd feel maybe this may be a place to go, but it's not clear that it's health experts saying this. it's politicians. >> how do you feel about the proposed travel ban? >> i agree with ej, actually. i think it's unenforceable and likely to be counterproductive. it looks like it's a quick fix, but people who have tickets will find another way to get here. they'll go to another city, outside of one of the affected countries, and they may be discouraged from telling us, so we may never find them in time. so i think it's better to keep it open and try to encourage people to give their history, so we'll be able to identify who needs to be tested. >> ej, i want to go back to the new ebola czar. it's something republicans have been calling for, including gop congressman blake farn that'll. just a few days ago, watch. >> there's nobody in the
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government that i've been able to identify where the buck stops. under the bush administration, the president had a special adviser for bio-issues. that position was eliminated under obama. my fear is that if this gets bad, we'll have one agency pointing the finger at another agency in just a bureaucratic game of dodge ball. that's not what we need. >> so they wanted somebody responsible, somebody they could go to that would be the person. and he appoints them today. but when the president announces a czar, republicans immediately attack, including congressman farnt hold who tweeted, president obama select ron klain, lawyer, former biden and gore cos, as ebola czar. god forbid he select a doctor. >> and ted cruz got in the act saying, we don't need another so-called czar. we need presidential leadership.
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i mean, ej, what is going on here? >> well, you know, i think that if president obama had resurrected albert einstein through some miracle and put him in there, he would have been attacked as a political appointee. this thing has gotten so politicized in a totally unhelpful way. if they want medical personnel, get the surgeon general confirmed by the congress. this is a government coordination job. it's not necessarily -- they want somebody to coordinate. they want somebody to get the agencies to work together. so the kind of person you want is a person like ron klain, who understands how government works. but it's all silly this close to an election. i hope we get a little more irrational about the ebola problem after the election's over. >> today, an internal document from the world health organization had a response.
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nearly everyone involved in the outbreak response failed to see some fairly plain writing on the wall. a perfect storm was brewing, ready to burst open in full force. pretty condemning. >> yes, and this has been unprecedented in terms of size. 20 times larger than any ebola outbreak we've had before, in scope, over three countries. like all of them, it took a while before anyone knew what was happening. >> what can we learn from these mistakes? >> i think we really need people who are ready to go a lot faster, and we need better systems, which we continue to work on for reporting early and responding early. but right now, there just aren't enough people on the ground to work on it. and you need experienced people. >> all right, we're going to stay on top of this, dr. stephen
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morse, and ej dionne thank you for your time tonight, have a good weekend, both of you. >> you too, thank you. >> you too. coming up, how exactly did these nurses get ebola? we still don't know, but we brought in an expert to show you how you can and cannot get ebola. also, the willie horton ad of the 2014 season, a new racially charged ad is sparking outrage. tonight we'll tell you who is behind it. plus, the gop's new isis-ebola conspiracy theory. and the sentencing in the loud-music murder trial. why today could be a defining moment for stand-your-ground laws around the country. new york state is jump-starting business with startup-ny. an unprecedented program that partners businesses with universities across the state.
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[ indiscernible ] >> our social media community has had a big response to the extraordinary video released showing ebola patient nina pham. she's the first nurse that contracted ebola. diana grazia posted, at least she's smiling, and she looks rather healthy here. rose said, wishing her a speedy recovery. we all are, rose. we still don't know exactly how these nurses contracted the virus, but coming up, we're going to demonstrate how it can happen and how it can't. but, please, keep the conversation going on facebook and on
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how can you get ebola? it's what everyone is asking about. we still don't know exhibitly how nurses nina pham and amber vinson contracted the disease, but this week, another nurse from the hospital describes how her neck was exposed during treatment. >> i'll just be honest. i threw a fit. i just -- i just -- i just couldn't believe it. you know, in the second week of an ebola crisis at my hospital, the only gear they're offering us at that time, and up until
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that time, is gear that is allowing our necks to be uncovered. >> on wednesday, we had a doctor on the show who demonstrated how an exposed neck could be a hazard. >> here, i'm actually protecting any fluid, any blood, diarrhea or vomit from getting into my face area. what the concern has been, obviously, the neck is exposed here. the current recommendations are, again, not to have anything specific on the neck. >> since that interview, we had a big response to social media. so many of you have questions. let's get some answers tonight with dr. devi of the nyu school of medicine. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> let's start by talking about the issue of neck exposure. up until this week, the cdc was saying nurses' necks did not have to be covered.
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but show us why this could be a problem. i have mark here from our politics nation staff. >> there a lot of bodily fluids they could be exposed to. let's say a patient's vomiting, and some gets on the neck. >> so this is the vomit on the neck. >> so if the nurse leaves that area, the nurse could touch that area and touch their neck. people itch their nose -- >> so if you have this on your neck and you just in the normal course of the day, you start rubbing and some of this becomes what had been blocked -- >> right, it doesn't get in through the skin, but through your eyes, mouth, or nose.
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>> so it can't go through the skin? >> no, it can't go through the skin. >> here we can also see just a little bit of facial hair. just imagine if something gets caught in the hair here, or if someone's not wearing a scrub hat. people with long hair, can you get all types of things get in your hair. >> could it live on a surface? >> we don't know the exact answer in terms of how long it can survive. the reason for that, if we did a study, we have to actual take it from the surface and put it on a human being and we're not going to do that. >> how much fluid does it take? >> that's another question. i don't think it's so much about the amount of fluid, as it is about the amount of virus in the fluid. >> thank you for your time. >> coming up, a new political ad
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union says jenkins is the poster child for why the good-time law is a farce. it allows criminals like jenkins to be released early. >> the undertones of this ad are obvious, and it immediately brings to mind the infamous willie harton ad from the 1988 presidential campaign. >> his revolving door prison policy gave furlough to murderers not eligible for parroll. one was willie horton, weekend prison passes, dukakis on crime. >> we've seen the gop use these misleading, fear-mongering ads for years. part of the southern strategy of using racial fears and division to win election. another famous example is this
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ad from jesse helms 1990 senate race. >> you needed that job. and you were the best qualified. but they had to give it to a minority because of a racial quota. for racial quotas, harveyegant. against racial quotas, jesse helms. these race-baiting ads had no place in our world 30 years ago, but to use them in 2014, is inexcusable. and the gop should be ashamed of revising this hateful strategy. >> joining me now radio host of sirius xm. thank you for being here. >> thank you, reverend. >> now, joe, this republican is in danger of losing in a red district. is that why they're resorting to tactics like this? it shows a very desperate situation because you're playing to, again as you say, an element
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that identifies with this. you're throwing red meat at his base. one thing that i hope the people of nebraska understand is that senator ashford has a very strong record of being in favor of fighting crime. he's an advocate for law enforcement. >> senator ashford is the democrat iic opponent of the -- >> absolutely. and he has a strong record. number two, anyone in their right mind also knows that the department of correction was responsible for this early release. the department of corrections. because this jenkins had gotten into trouble. they never reported it. he should not have been released. let me make one final point that people may not remember, but you remember. lee atwater was the architect of the willie horton ad. and he apologized to ron brown,
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then head of the democratic national committee. >> yes, he did. >> -- on his death bed, because he said it was a racist thing to do. and on his death bed, he asked ron to forgive him. >> he did that. that's a fact. you know, it's amazing to me that the nrcc is defending this ad. they told the washington examiner, quote, brad ashford's dangerous record on crime is fair game. nebraska voters deserve to know that brad ashford supports policies that have made them less safe. this ad is fair game? are they delusional, joe? >> they're not only delusional, but they're not telling the honest truth. and here's the other truth they should know in nebraska. the reason that the congressman is in trouble is because, i think, what is it? 16 years if he served in congress, if i'm not mistaken. and he doesn't really have a great track record, and the
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people of nebraska know it. >> which is why he's in trouble. >> which is exactly why he's in trouble. if you've served 16 years and you've done the work that you've done, remember, this was a congressman who said he was not going to give up his paycheck, even though he was willing to take money during the sequestering, the shutting down of government, from military contractors, from people who work for government in nebraska, and said he had a mortgage to pay, he had kids to put through college, as if people in nebraska, who were his constituents, didn't. >> yeah, this ad is explicit, but there are some implicit racial undertones at work in the voter i.d. laws in this election. they were exposed by two federal judges' rulings over the last week. one judge said voter i.d. laws are highly correlated with the state having a republican
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governor and republican control of the legislature and appear to be aimed at limiting voting by minorities, particularly blacks. another judge called the voter i.d. laws in texas, quote, unconstitutional poll tax. don't these laws have a clear impact on some very specific groups of voters, joe? >> yes. and they're targeted at states where they anticipate that there will be a very large turn-out of hispanic and african american voters. if you notice, all of these states, that's exactly what they're hoping, whether it's wisconsin, milwaukee -- they know that there was a large turn-out during the 2012. in georgia, we are the balance of victory in that state. north carolina. but here's something else -- that's right. now here's something else people should understand. the poll tax point. people say, what do you mean,
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poll tax? there was a study done, that to just get a new i.d. could cost individuals anywhere from $17, as high as $50. and people say, how is that? you have to pay for a birth certificate, you have to pay for transportation, and it costs poor people who have to decide from month to month whether they're going to eat or not or go buy a birth certificate. >> and people with fixed incomes, seniors, i mean, it is a poll tax. joe madison, thank you for your time tonight. >> anytime and have a great weekend, reverend. >> same to you. still ahead, the right's new bizarre conspiracy theory about isis terrorists and ebola. you'll want to hear this. also, should a woman's job be in jeopardy for taking a selfie with kevin hart? now the comedian is speaking out. and paying your final respects from behind the wheel.
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we're back now with "conversation nation." joining us tonight, elizabeth plank, mark hannah, and zurleena maxwell. thank you all for being here. >> thanks, rev. first up, the gop's sois-ebola paranoia.
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right-wingers are now seriously talking about whether isis jihadists might deliberately infect themselves with ebola to become bioweapons, and that includes a u.s. senator. >> the isis militants may infect themselves with ebola and fly to this country, thus using the disease as a biological weapon. how real is that threat to you? >> well, it's certainly something i've been thinking about ever since this ebola outbreak started, because i think that's a real and present danger. >> for the record, the fbi says they do not think this is a real and present danger. why? we'll take a look. let's say you're an isis terrorist in syria. you hop to down to your local travel agent, book a flight to west africa and infect yourself with ebola. then, before you start showing symptoms, you fly to the u.s. and somehow enter the country, even though you're a terrorist, who's probably on the no-fly
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list. then you quickly infect the rest of america before the virus kills you. genius. mark, what could probably go wrong with this brilliant scheme? >> oh, nothing, rev. i think it's air-tight. no, look, the republicans are ludicrous on this. they have no alternative vision for america right now. all they have is this ebola that they're trying to turn into some kind of october surprise and scare the jesus out of americans. they're tweeting about this like a fourth grader about kooties. >> isn't it very cynical because of the keep concerns about ebola and the deep concerns about isis, to combine the two? >> it's a similar fear-mongering strategy, a strategy to get their base to turn out in the elections based on fear.
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with you what we should be focusing on is health care. one of the things that's very evident in this situation, we're not adequately prepared in terms of nurses and hospitals. maybe we need to expand medicaid and fight for universal health care, so when something like flu and ebola happens, we're able to deal with the problem. >> that does not have to deal with why you cut budgets and resisted affordable care in texas, you start coming with the crazy theories. >> that's right. the lies have been spreading faster than the actual virus. it's not only irresponsible, it's dangerous. some of the things brought forward by pundits on fox news, saying that we should block flights from western africa, actually that is more dangerous and will make the disease worse. >> those people that are determined to get to the united states are going to go through brussels or france. >> i traveled through africa, there's not a lot of direct
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flights from some of the countries they're talking about anyway. they all go through europe just about. >> and quarantine is a much better strategy scientifically anyway. so the idea to say we're going to ban travel from africa, that's particularly ugly and it's not actually effective. [ all speak at once ] >> isn't there some kind of subtlety, elizabeth, even in that, make the africans stay in africa? even isn't there some kind of undercurrent -- >> of course. and they're trying to politicize it. all of the news coverage, it's moatly centered on what's been happening here when the crisis and the epidemic is much more serious in western africa. >> and much more broader, it was certain countries, not all of africa. next up, in atlanta georgia, they refused to postpone a hearing for an attorney who was on maternity leave.
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so the lawyer showed up in court with or four-week-old daughter on her chest. the judge scolded her in front of the entire courtroom. when the baby cried, the judge agreed to postpone the hearing. but the attorney has filed a complaint. how will this judge's behavior do in the court of public opinion? >> the judge said it was very unprofessional for the attorney to bring her four-week-old baby to court. >> but they wouldn't delay the hearing. >> exactly. we tell women who have to leave to care for a sick child, or have to leave early, we call that unprofessional. what i think is what's really unprofessional is the very reaction that we have for these women having babies. women have babies. >> you're in the middle there. >> america is one of the few countries in the civilized world that doesn't offer paid maternity leave which is outrageous. i know how much men and women
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both are attached to their inassistani infan infants. my brother is coming to town for my bachelor party and bringing his baby with him. he can't let her out of his sight. >> i think that we -- we were just talking about africa and the fear mongering with africa. we can't be on a list of countries in africa when it comes to not having paid leave. we need universal childcare so this attorney can put her child into safe hands while she's practicing law. >> you always go right back to the point. >> everybody stay with us. we'll take a break. after the break, this selfie has everyone talking. should this bus driver be fired for it? kevin says no. that's next. i want to talk to mark about why i'm not invited to the bachelor party. [ laughter ]
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we're back with our "conversation nation" panel, elizabeth, mark and zerleena. our next topic, suspended for a selfie. a bus driver at los angeles airport has been suspended from her job for getting out of the bus to take a selfie with actor and comedian kevin hart. last night, kevin put out a video, pleading for her job. >> hey, this message is to national rental cars. it's about brought to my
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attention he's been suspended for taking a selfie with me. i'm asking this company to give her a pass. if i'd have seen me, i'd have done a selfie too. come on, give her a pass. >> we reached out to the rental company for comment, but have yet to receive a response. would you risk your job for a selfie with kevin hart? >> no. but maybe for beyonce or somebody that i'm more of a fan of. i love kevin hart, but i'm not trying to get fired over a selfie with him. however, i think it's refreshing that he put out a video and she did get her job back. >> he didn't even get her name right in the video. >> it's the thought that counts. >> my theory is that kevin hart doesn't care about this fan. he was probably annoyed to see her, i'm defending national rent-a-car here. >> kevin hart is -- [ all speak at once ] >> how do we know the woman was going to run off the bus? >> he just knows he can bring attention to the fact that he has so many fans by putting out
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this video. >> he can bring attention -- >> what if somebody misses -- >> nobody did. >> i've had people stop me for things and they usually don't know how to work the camera. >> that's true. >> but the one person important in it is this woman, i'm happy she got her job back, but it just shows how little workers rights have. >> i just lived in l.a. for two years and this celebrity culture, let people live their daily lives. >> who would you take a selfie with? >> i would take a selfie with you, rev. >> all right. >> maybe after the show. >> on commercial break. >> only if i get invited to the bachelor party. who would you take one with, elizabeth? >> with this panel. i took a selfie with zerleena, she's star power. >> finally, you've heard through
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a drive-through restaurant, even drive-through wedding chapels, but how about a drive-through funeral home? a chapel in michigan has opened the first drive-through funeral parlor in the midwest. it's designed for those with physical limitations. and also for folks in a hurry who just don't want to get out of the car. >> when you go to see a memorial box, where you can drop a memorial card, or monetary contribution. once you push the button, the box will open up. when you proceed forward, the curtain will draw back and you may pay your respect to the loved one, three minutes from the privacy of your vehicle. >> mark, would you ever be that busy? >> well, i guess it depends on who died, right? if it was just a casual acquaintance -- no, this is ridiculous. >> what does it take? five minutes to get out and walk in and say your respects and then walk back out? >> yeah, only in america. i think the branding idea, they
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should call it the grieve and leave. >> what bothers me, you know, i mean, this is your last tribute. [ all speak at once ] >> you want those last few minutes to be, you know, bedlam. >> i want my going home service to be a celebration. i don't want people driving up, rolling down the window, and then peacing out. i feel like that's so disrespectful. >> this is, to me, the death of intimacy. no pun intended. but it's ridiculous, if you're not willing to put on a suit and get your hair looking normal and just go to a funeral, then don't go at all. like this person might not mean that much to you. >> i understand for people that don't have the ability to walk inside, i understand that. but the other reason is not a valid one. >> no. the lack of time. >> the idea of paying your last respects, you would think respects would conitate that you
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do it in a respectful way. just something about the drive-through -- >> take your seat belt off. >> it makes it like an after-thought. >> and it plays music for three minutes and that adds to the somberness, i guess. >> who chooses the music? >> i don't know. >> i guess if somebody took you out on a date through a drive-through restaurant -- >> then you would never go on a date with that person again. but if the person's dead, they won't be able to complain to you for driving up to their funeral. >> all right, i'm going to go. i think we'll have to deal with this. let's go to our selfies. thank you all for your time tonight. >> thanks, rev. >> have a great weekend. we'll be right back. i am totally blind. i lost my sight in afghanistan, but it doesn't hold me back. i go through periods where it's hard to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day.
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today justice in the so-called loud-music murder case.
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michael dunn shot and killed 17-year-old jordan davis during an argument over loud music. today a judge sentenced him to life in prison. dunn publicly apologized for killing jordan for the first time today, but in court, jordan's father talked about what he lost that night. >> the life i had known was shattered on november 23, 2012. >> earlier, jordan's mom talked about the future that's now gone forever, and made an extraordinary statement to her son's killer. >> for me, there will be no college graduation. there will be no
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daughter-in-law. i too must be willing to forgive. and so i choose to forgive you, mr. dunn, for taking my son's life. >> reporters in the courtroom said the bailiff, and judge were in tears today. i think this could be a tipping point in the debate over self-defense and stand your ground laws. a jury said, enough is enough. i jury said this teenager's life has value. i began looking at stand your ground cases, and i got to know the parents of jordan davis. i felt for them as i felt for others. because at the end of the day, these are not just some policies somewhere. this is about people's lives,
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people's children. and today, i hope america, and particularly those states with these laws, will understand at the end of the day, it's not about those of us that stand up in the public square and choose to be advocates, it's people like the parents of jordan davis that have to live life with a wound that will never fully heal. and with a child gone for no reason. i hope that people will understand that at the end of the day, you can't use laws to mask what is wrong, unjust, and that you exercise some pent-up, or in some cases, not so pent-up biases, and have a law that gives you the justification for it. i hope today brought us there. and i hope it gives us a sense of justice. in a related point today, the
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u.s. civil rights commission held a hearing in florida, on the racial disparities in the stand your ground law. the hearing came just a few miles away from where trayvon martin was shot and killed back in 2012. some experts testified, these laws benefit whites more than blacks. and cause minority men to live in fear. the lawyers for trayvon martin testified that stand your ground was a solution, looking for a problem. i think that ben crump is right. i remember touring that state with bishop victor curry and others, saying this law is wrong. i saw young activists, like the dream keepers and others, stand up and raise this issue. and we must keep fighting this issue. because this is not about partisan. this is not about posturing. this is about the jordan
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davises, and the trayvon martins of the world should not be open to people feeling they can do whatever they want and not have to be held accountable. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton, have a great weekend. "hardball" starts right now. a czar is born. let's play "hardball." ♪ ♪ good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. what a week it was. ebola goes to the white house. president obama puts a czar in charge. he takes the story from dallas, to washington, d.c. from the cdc to 1600 pennsylvania avenue. razzle-dazzle. who gives a damn if charlie likes his fan? you stop the debate for this? plus, who did you vote for? don't ask, don't t


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