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there's a lot of water, afterall, under the bridge. it's just that even assuming rand paul's good faith and persuasive ability is going to take decades, just as it took decades for the african american vote to shift to the democrats. and that's a fact. that's another "hardball." "all in" with chris hayes, starts right now. >> tonight on "all in." >> president names an ebola czar and the backlash begins. >> i personally thought we already had an ebola czar, secretary berdwell of h.s.s. >> plus, news of another texas health care worker now quarantined on board a cruise ship. then, the fear campaign from isis intentionally infecting themselves with ebola and traveling to america. >> there's a real and present danger. >> to hamas doing the same and
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crossing the mexican border. . >> and, did alaska's only congressman kill a guy? sounds crazy, but that's what people are asking after don young said there's some truth behind what he told his democratic opponent. the last guy who touched me ended up on the ground dead. that opponent joins me tonight. "all in" starts right now. >> hey, good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. after growing calls for more robust federal response to ebola, the white house announced today a new ebola czar. >> obviously, right now, the news is dominated by ebola. and we've got an all-hands on-deck approach on government to make sure that we are keeping the american people safe. >> a former chief of staff to al gore and later, joe biden will be charged with coordinating a federal response to the disease.
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>> mr. clay was the first choice for this responsibility principally because of his strong track record because of strong management credentials both in the government and the private sector. >> after clambering to put somebody in charge, the claim has been widely criticized by conservatives. >> i personally thought we already had an ebola czar, secretary burwell of h.s.s. >> i just don't understand why the pick was made of this man. this is a campaign operative. this is someone who's worked for the vice president, has had zero experience in the medical area. >> it's like having karl rove as bush's anthrax czar. >> another white house political operative. meanwhile, the cdc is issuing a new set of ebola guidelines to protect e protect front line health care workers. it reportedly includes stricting rules about covering skin, new
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protocols for putting on and taking off protective gear and new rules about disposing of medical waste. governor rick perry joined his republican colleagues in calling for a travel ban. >> air travel is, in fact, how this disease crosses borders. and it certainly how it got to texas in the first place. based on recent and on going developments, i believe it is the right policy to ban air travel from countries that have been hit hardest by the ebola outbreak. >> hours before the dallas morning news reported that one of the first 48 people who came into contact with thomas eric duncan, lie beberian man who di from ebola. 29-year-old amber vincent remains in emory hospital in atlanta. nina fomm shown here before her
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transfer is in fair condition. >> her condition is fair. she is stable and she is resting comfortably. we fully intend to have this patient walk out of this hospital. and we'll do everything we possibly can to make that happen.joining me now, former governor of vermont. all right, dr. dean, wrong claim? what do you think sh. >> i think it's fine. he's a manager. he's not a doctor. look, the republicans are just so ridiculous. so they had an ebola czar. his name is vivak mertha. he's president obama's nominee for surgeon general which the republicans have been stalling at the request of the national rifle association since february. the republican's idea of how to practice medicine is to listen to the national rifle association. they know nothing. they're not interested in health.
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they're interested in politics. we've got to manage this thing. i think claine is a good manager. what the cdc is doing is very smart. ebola patients should not be taken care of in medical centers like texas presbyterian. they need to be taken care of in one of the few hospitals that we have that knows how to take care of this very exotic disease which is not contagious for visitors but very contagious for care givers. those in omaha and ninh and the cdc in atlanta. that's what they're doing. and thoo's the smart thing to do. i know texas presbyterian made some mistakes and they saw their ceo taking responsibility for that. but those hospitals shouldn't have to cope with this. they need to be in professional places where these diseases can be dealt with. >> it struck me today that the
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white house is managie ining tw things. they're managing a public health issue that i think is largely under control. wu it but it is scary to people and unprecedented. they're also managing the political management and optics of that as three weeks before election, you have all of these demands for things. this felt like, i mean, okay. okay. you guys want a czar. you want a czar? hire's a czar. and i was happy that they gave in on that as opposed to the travel ban which i've been convinced really is operationally a bad idea. >> the travel ban doesn't at add a whole lot. rick perry, of course, is his usual ig know ramus self. first of all, there's no drekt flights from west africa from liberia, sierra leone or guinea to the united states. >> no, there are no direct flights. >> so as we say in new york,
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this stuff is all bupkas. but there are some problems. for example, the woman -- the second nurse that got ebola should not have been permit today fly on frontier airlines to cleveland and back. that was a mistake that somebody in the federal government made. she asked permission and they said go ahead. thafgs a mistake. so there are mistakes that are being made by individuals. but i do think that this is largely under control, as you said. >> former governor howard thanks for being here. standby, because we've got something much more fun to talk to you later in the show. perhaps the strangest turn yet, a carnival cruise ship is on its way to texas right now after mexican officials refused to let it dork off the coast of cozumel because on board is a lab supervisor from the texas
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presbyterian hospital who "may have handed lab samples from ebola patient thomas duncan." the passenger boarded the ship before the cdc updated requirements. she is now self-quarantined inside the ship. after belize refused the request to evacuate the passenger through its airport. meanwhile, inside the cruise ship, reporting indicates that people are pretty chill. the daily beast spoke to a passener jer aboard the ship when he knew something was up when he looked out of his hot tub and spotted a security boat. people are more concerned about losing money instead of getting sick. everybody, including me, is not afraid that we'll get sick and die. all passengers will receive a $200 refund and 50% discounts on a future cruise. i spoke with a member of the
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institute of medicines global health board. i asked him whether he thought people were over-reacting or under-reacting to the ebola situation. >> it's a time of uncertainty. there's things we don't know yet, but i'd say right now there's a lot of over-reaction. the most serious global threats we've seen in decades. this country is adequate to it. during that period of time, people are very uncertain. and i must say, i think that's fed by a form of exploitation of a crisis in the political arena that is calculated to make people more friegtenned. we need to be very mature about this. i think we can get through it. the question is can the lower income countries be plagued by this? unless we get involved in a global scale in dealing with this challenge, they and we are going to pay a big price downstream. >> you talked about learning our way into it, which i think is part of what has con sirned people as they've watched this which is the two health care
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workers that have tested positive weren't on the original list of folks that were being contacted. and now you've got this, you know, crazy over-reaction. i think the bridal shop that someone visited in ohio is closed, school districts and part of it is generated from the fact that it really is a learning process. this has never happened for it in the u.s. and it's possible they'll see more mistakes through the course of it. >> absolutely. there's a lot of learning to do and that's the nature of improvement. the way you get better at things is to learn over time. when you're very anxious, that's very difficult. there's two kinds of learning. one is at least the biotechnology here. eventual eventually, woe're we're going to beat ebola. scientists need to be supportive to do that. meanwhile, out in the field, in hospitals all over america, all over the world, we have to learn some new stuff. the kinds of barrier precautions you're seeing that really appear
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to be more protective, i never got exposed to at all when i was in training nor would any doctor or nurse in most places today. we have to learn how to use those precautions properly, how to use information properly, and when to react quickly and when not to panic. this is all a process. and the public, to be mature here, has got to have an expectation that during that process, it's going to feel a little bit anxiety-provoking. you can't get to perfect in one step. i must say, i have tremendous confidence in the biotechnology community, the centers for disease control. there's none better. it's one of the best and most envied organizations in the whole world. as congress looks at that, my opinion is the right question for congress to be asking of the cdc and other helpful parts of our government is how can we help you and really get into a posture where we come onto one team to fight the real enemy here, which is the virus. and the poverty underlies that
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problem. >> the thing you said about the fr training is so interesting to me. pioneering, really, which is so much of medical advances don't necessarily have to do with new drugs or treatments as much as they have to do with new systems, new protocols, how you properly implement things. train them. the little purell containers in every hospital room literally save thou sands of lives a year. that's a systems issue that we're seeing worked out in front of our eyes right now. >> you're exactly right. the organization that you mentioned, the stut for health care improvement, i.h.i. that i started and helped run for 20 years before i went to washington, that's what it focuses on. like the right medicines to use or, in the case of this virus, how are we eventually going to beat the virus. that has to do with drug development and genetics and molecular biology. but, meanwhile, carrying out the deeds that offer excellence to patients and communities, that's
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everyone involved with new ways to do things, learning our way in delivery of care. so the ebola prompts two different issues. it's a technological issue about what do you do about the virus. and igst's a management issue. it's one sixth of our economy on the largest employers in the nation. an entire work force that really is going to have to learn something new. it's going to take some time and that's a big challenge. and then you map into the country where this really is a plague right now, in west africa. this is the engine of poverty, the engine of injustice, inequality doing its work in the hands of the lethal virus. and we need to help those countries can pass tate themselves in the same way to build the processes and systems that can save lives there and, by the way, protect us. >> doctor, thanks a lot. lots more show to come.
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i think it's fair to say that the nation is in a pretty angst news to make the mid testimony midterms a fear election. look no further than this highly scientific poll from fox news. or this one, the one-two punch of threats facing america. indeed, those two supposedly eminent threats have been the dominant campaign of the gop for weeks now. just today, a super-pac called secure america, secure merks now, finally took down a series of ads showing american journalist james foley in the moments before he was murdered.
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>> while radical islamists attack america, president obama has done nothing. >> the gruch officially refused to pull the ads and only took the video down after foley's parents publicly objected. >> it makes me very sad that people would use the brutality of our own son's death for their own political purposes. >> the real creativers in the republican party are those bringing all of these things together in a kind of unified theory of fear.
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people linking ebola, terrorism and the favorite bugaboo, the border. >> learned how to do horrible things. come back, blow themselves up and take lives. think about the job they could do, the harm they could inflict on the american people by bringing this deadly disease into our cities. into our schools. into our towns and into our homes. >> we value death more than you value life. >> calling this phenomenon threat clue. it was isis with the ebola oon the southern border.
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joining me now is retired u.s. army colonel wilkerson. i've got to say, i understand politics. people run ads. i was shocked that they would use the murder of this american in this ad this way. >> you should be shocked. i was shocked, too. that said, this isn't anything new. remember joe mccarthy and the politics of fear of the cold war in the '50s and his exploitation there of it. fear is a human commodity that is very exploitable. >> obviously, we're in a very different place as a nation in the days we were after 9/11 for a variety of reasons.
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but there's something in the atmosphere that reminds me of that period. the murder of 23,0 3 ,0 0 0 of american citizens led to a politics that produced a lot of terrible outcomes. you sort of watched this play out and i wonder what you think about how washington of rates under conditions of fear. >> i did, chris. and i have to say that the initial reaction was understandable and digestible. now, as you eve pointed out, for a decade plus, is not understandable and i think is reprehensible. there's a reason to be scared of ebola. there's a reason to be scared of the islamic staamic state force forth. fear is a justifiable commodity in that respect.
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statistical statistically, americans have as much chance to die from a lightning strike. i like the very wise comments. i dealt with ebola early on in the chairman ship of general powell. a resis monkey from the philippines came in and ebola zair was the virus at that time. it had an 88% mortality rate and the young lieutenant colonel out at ft. dietrich to do her work. she did it well and courageously. we're not guilty a nation of cow ards. >> that is exactly right. and i just -- it strikes me so much how much the strongest,
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richest, powerfulest country in the world, i just want to understand that we're going to be okay. and it's very hard. it's funny, you would think there would be a market for that in politics. but there weirdly doesn't seem to be a market for that in politics. >> i think you're right. karl rove was right to a certain extentd when he said if we exploit this, we could be in power for a long time, meaning, of course, 9 /11. he also said we're an empire. let's just say that's the case for a second. if my party wants to make the main reason for this empire's existence, i think that's i recall reprehensible.
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>> i think the quote he was referring to was off the record. i don't know if that source has ever been identified as a small factual note. if you've been watching our coverage in vermont this week, you'll know that politics is way more fun when everyone gets to play. coming up next, the former government of vermont, howard dean, is back to break down and analyze this epic race and that epic hat. and then the new contender for best political ad of interns. >> i know black folks have had a hard time with slavery. >> a brave white man like you might be just what we need to put an end to this political correctness stuff in america today. >> that is not a spoof. more on the return of cloo clive&bundy ahead. just talked to they got expert advise, special discounts, new technologies. like smart pick ups. they'll only show up when you print a label and it's automatic. we save time and money. time? money? time and money. awesome. awesome! awesome!
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this week, we have brought you the very best of vermont politics in the state's g gubernatorial debates in which a wide range of topics were discussed and a wide range of views were heard. why don't we begin with telling you a little bit about yourself and how you've prepared for the top political office in the land. >> i am a revolutionary, non-violent socialist. >> i consider myself what is known as a light worker. >> i many name is scott mill. i've third generation, born-in-vermont -- take that back, i was born in brooklyn. >> second of all, i would reinstate all the rest areas on
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the state highway that peter schemlin has removed. >> we've actually been adding rest areas. we built a new one and i've cut the rib bin on that. >> you've taken them out in '91 and '89. >> we have to stop the military. zero military budget. close all the bases. stop the factories that build all of that equipment and ship it off to the zionist regime so it can defend itself against the gigantic ghazan military. >> it's been an honor to meet everybody and i want you to go out and protest motor boats on lake champlain. your kids could get killed swimming in lake champlain and i want you to go out and protest
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f-35 fighter jets because we've got to stop nuclear proliferation. thank you. >> thank you very much. governor, i checked and we saw in 19 98, you did not have to debate. did you miss out in that? >> i actually did have to. on public television, they asked everybody to come. so whoever was on the ballot, and there were at least three of us, to do that. the three i had were fairly respectable candidates. the republican nominee and the progressive nominee at the time who's now a state senator. but i have to agree. we're a democracy with a small d and everybody gets a chance to have their say in vermont. even though they said some pretty unusual things, i think it's a good thing for the state. >> i completely agree. i'm not joking here. it's amazing to watch a debate in which such a wide range of
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views are aired. important question here, where do you stand on the rest stops? >> he's not taking away anybody's rest stops. i tried to close a couple and we ended up fixing them all up over the last three governors. i think she didn't quite have her facts right. not all the debates are like that. most of them are, in fact, just the major candidates. but public television and ray owe has a major obligation. so even though it's great theater, and i understand john stuart had a lot of fun with it, i do standby the notion of at least one of debates ought to include everybody. >> i completely agree, former gov northerly. thank you very much. >> okay. one of the best lines from an article this week, the best line from an article this week. are you ready?
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quick thinking traffic lights and self correcting power grids make the world predictable. thrillingly predictable. did alaska congressman don young kill a guy? i'm asking a complete jest but for a reason. congressman has been called a colorful figure. he's brandish a walrus penis bone at a hearing. he was called by an nbc news producer twisting the arm of some poor ill staffer. >> congressman young was caught by our own producer, frank thor, grabbing the arm of a professional staffer like he was a misbehaving three-year-old in the checkout line.
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the veter ran congressman ranks fourth in the house. he has apologized. >> congressman young who has been alaska's one and only congressman for four decades does have a challenger. the two just got into a debate. >> now, the most generous interpretation of that incident is from someone what's angry and in the heat of the moment. or, perhaps, those that cross don young tend to get unlikely and struck by lightning or collapse of ahearted attack. the most literal was that he was threatening to kill him if he touched him and had killed somebody in the past.
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so the blessed minders asked whether the last person to touch him really did end up dead. the congressman responds, there's some truth to that. so, wait? what? it's unclear if he was suggesting there was some truth to what dunbar said. or, more hair raisingly, if there was some truth to someone ending up dead. and if so, under what circumstances. roll call says that young didn't elaborate. we checked on the present condition of that hill staffer young grabbed this summer, david smentek, who is a policy advisor under chaircathy mcmorris. joining me from from citga, alaska is forest dunbar. can you tell me what happened?
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>> you know, it was basically how it was described in the newspaper. it started out he had said something about me not being from my hometown of cordova. so i was puzzled by that. he said he had me looked into. so i looked up to him and lightly touched him on the arm and asked what he meant by that and he did what you described earlier. >> so congressman young has a reputation for this. he has a reputation for all kinds of acting out that in other circumstances, would probably get that politician in trouble. but the voters of alaska seem to love the guy. >> there was a time when congressman young was very powerful and effective. he was the claire of the natural resources committee, he was the chair of the transportation committee. he could do these kinds of things and get away with it and we forgave him because he brought home a lot of resources and projects for the state. but that all ended in 2 00 8
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with his ethics violations. so our message is letting people know this is kind of counter productive now. >> do you think he actually killed a guy that touched him? >> no. no. i'm an attorney. and if i was defending don young, i would use the defense of delusion. and i would say he's giving a false confession and i would win that case. mr. forest dunbar, thank you. pleasure. >> happy alaska day. it's tomorrow. >> we should know, we reached out to congressman don young and we did not hear back. the oscar dominated actor will be here to talk about his new film and the incredible story on which it is based ahead. a breathright strip and instantly open your nose up to 38% more than cold medicines alone.
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. well, ladies and gentlemen, we found it. this one from nevada independent congressional candidate com comal bacari featuring the one and only clooif&bundy in a two-minute western calling out attorney general holder. it is an sbant classic. enjoy. >> clavin, political correctness is bad for america. a man ought to be able to say what he want to say. >> that's exactly right. i know a lot of black folks who have had a lot of hard time with slavery and the government was in on it. >> i went my whole life without mistreating anybody. >> a brave white man might be just what we need to put an end to political correctness in this country. >> don't sell yourself short. >> i know. i'm as sick as you are. i feel ashamed when i hear black
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folks whining about white folks this, white folks that. i know, i've got an idea, let's call eric holder out. >> what do you mean? >> tell him you're a white man not guil not scared to talk to him about race. >> i like that idea. mr. eric holder, this is one white man that's not scared to talk about race. i dare you to come to las vegas and talk to us. >> and don't give us that you foo busy stuff. you weren't too busy to go to ferguson, missouri. >> well, them's fighten words. [ breathing deeply ]
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my big concern that my government could in any way been involved in or had knowledge of drug trafficking has caused me to spend much of my own time and resources to find out more about
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these allegations. >> 16 years ago, maxine waters described what the c.i.a. would describe as managing a nightmare. a block buster report out of the san jose news called dark allian alliance, the story behind the crack explosion. and the artwork you're looking at right now, someone smoking crack over the c.i.a.'s official logo is what accompanied that ad. it's one of the nirs stories every to blow up on line. it sparked congressional hearings and led to an unprecedented town hall meeting between then c.i.a. director john deutsche and the peach of south central l.a.
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a lot of what was included in there wasn't really new. john kerry issued a sub committee report that read in part -- >> still, for the most part, the story never caught on. he managed to connect it to the crack trade in los angeles which had exploded. we sha web's reporting did not flat out state the c.i.a. ran drugs in los angeles.
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>> it was this causality that made the cia realize they had a public nightmare on their mands. a wide ri read newspaper believes the c.i.a. is guilty of at least conspiracy in the outbreak of cocrack cocaine. >> the l.a. times worked to discredit web's work and destroy his reputation by pointing out some of the flaws and inconsistencies in riz reporting. their efforts worked. he never worked for another major paper gen and it matly shot himself in the head. in a movie called "kill the messenger" recently, i sat down with the director and talked about making a movie about the complicated rise and fall of web and the scrutiny that comes after an explosive story.
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>> gary web, a journalest who tells a very dangerous story distancing himself to report saying was drektly plugged into the los angerer less crack trade. >> my interest in it was nirnlly creative. thought the character was amazing and the story was terrific. but then was juggling the idea of why does this deserve to be on the big screen. with it being a true story, was the main thing to that. but digging deeper into my resoerj r research of it, it became a movie i really wanted to play to a movie i had to do. >> how much did you know about
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this? what's fascinating is people maybe know, oh, right, i remember there was those stories. wasn't that all kind of discredited? >> what did you approach it with? >> everything was fresh to me. i grew up 70 miles where everything took place. i had zero recollection. it may have been just the amount of access that i had to it. so everything was fresh to me. every part of the story. >> it's the story of a guy who tries to take on the system. and it's fascinating because the real man, and the character played in the film, is a flawed person. and it's precisely those flaws that allow him to kind of to do what he does. >> the project came to me.
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i related to this passion that he had for journalism as i think a film maker needs to make movies that matter or necessary movies. so i really related to gary's sort of pure sense to the truth and identifying the bad or the real guy. he was very, very clear on that and really wanted to expose that. also, the character realities of people able to bring them that level of commitment. . >> look, this story became two stories. it's what gary -- what was printed in the san jose merck. and then what the story became after that. what the big media became of the story. i just want to be clear. he never got a chance to follow
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up on the original story he wrote. and that is clear in the film. but this idea of the russian monofact of people reading off of the cliff note so to speak, that's sort of the tragedy. >> and people in the bronx would tell you the c.i.a. started the crack epidemic in black neighborhoods to kill black people. it was the product of a fact that went viral. >> remember, as far as the c.i.a. starting the crack epidemic, gary never wrote about that. he never mentioned u.s. officials or anything like that.
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it turned into people put words in his mouth. and gary always made it clear it was a mistake and people looking the other way, which is, i guess, the same. but it turned into black paranoia. and gary never wrote that. >> there's all of this press now around gary web because e parpa because of this film. do you feel like he's vindicate. >> vind kated, i'd like to think that's all relevant. despite the discrediting, we make 2 point of showing that he made a difference and got people talking and he got the c.i.a. director to go down to south central, an unprecedented event, to take questions from the african american community.
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two reports were released. i think that vindicates this man, that he did connect some dots. but it's clear he didn't get to follow up. he didn't have that machine behind him to push him through. >> is there a lesson about what happens in this film? do you see it about what happens when you try to take on something? as big as the c.i.a.? >> a lesson? no, i'd certain le see it as a david and goliath story. that's one of the things i was attracted to. i love that theme. those sort of themes are really attractive to me. are there lessons from that? i don't know. hopefully, it's a variety of things. and i'm excited to see what those things are. i'm really excited about it. i want to see that debate and those feelings.
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so i'm excited what the lessons are. >> that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow" show starts right now. >> if you watched any of the news today, paid attention to the headlines or anything, you are forgiven if you felt a little flauz nauseated when you realized today that the word of the day in today's news was once g e again going to be the word czar. >> oh, god. this used to be a normal word in regular conversation, regular political analysis. even talk about policy and getting stuff done. or ef enif you were just talking
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about russian history. . it did not give you that hairball feeling. if the word czar makes you have a bad feeling now, it is for a reason. it is because of what we went through as a country surrounding this word. in 20 0 9, do you remember what fox news was like about this word? 20 09? do you remember what it was like? this is real. we did not make this up in any wae. this is from the television in 200 9. >> he's 234now appointed a bord czar. when i looked up czar in the


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