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reid report" breaking news from south korea where jeffrey foul has been freed and is on his way home to north korea. the north korean government said fowle broke the law when he left a bible in his hotel room. you're looking live at the state department where we expect to get more details on his release any moment now and andrea mitchell is nbc chief foreign affairs correspondent and, hi, andrea. can you explain to us. jeffrey fowle. who is he and how did he wind up in north korea? >> it is unclear. he is a tourist from ohio and father of three and one of three americans who have been held in north korea. he was held since april for leaving the bible, which you said, which is a violation of korean law, but not as much of a violation as some of the others they have claimed against kenneth bay who has been there now for several years and is in declining health. the u.s. in announcing this today from the white house said that they still want matthew
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miller and kenneth bae, two other americans being held here. clearly a signal from north korea and negotiated by swedish diplomats who represent the united states since we do not have diplomatic relations with the north and that it was by a pentagon plane, which came in, landed at the international airport in pyonyang and took him out and he's on his way home via guam. >> you did have a u.s. government plane able to fly in and take him out of there. the u.s. has been trying to, as you said, seek the release of these other men. the high-level delegations. talk about how that works and the back channeling works with the government like the one in pyongy pyongyang that we have no diplomatic relationships with. >> between north korean and american diplomats. sometimes working through beijing, through the chinese, sometimes working on the ground through the swedes who represent us there in the north korean capital. so, there has been back
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channels. there has been recent communications between north korea and south korea. at a meeting about two weeks ago then there was a lot of fuss over whether or not kim jung-un the north korea dictator was missing, he was missing for five weeks and did show up a week ago monday. so, a lot going on there and this could be conceivably a signal of trying to put things back on a more normal plain. >> the chess pieces continue to move around on the global board. >> exactly. >> andrea mitchell, thank you very much appreciate it. joining me from london is bill kneale. do we have any information on how this release was secured? >> the news has come out within the last hour or so. details are really very scarce. they have been confirmed by the state department and as andrea said it is extraordinary that a u.s. government plane lands at
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pyongyang airport and that this gentleman is on the way home to the united states via guam. as andrea said, also two other detained americans still left behind. kenneth bae a korean american missionary sentenced to 15 years in jail for using religion to overthrow the political system, at least that's what he was accused of by the north korean. and a second american matthew miller who was also a tourist who is being held because he grossly violated north korea's legal orders. so, there are two americans left behind. on the other hand, this is the second american that the north koreans have released recently. they also released a korean, american korean war veteran who was held for a month accused of war crimes. again, the circumstances of this release pretty extraordinary. mr. fowle was described by his
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lawyer as a father of three with a passion for adventure. he went to north korea, simply on a vacation. but it appears that he left a bible somewhere, we're not quite sure whether it was in a hotel room, someone else has speculated that it was at a north korean club for north korean sailors. but either way, he seems to have been a man, if you like, on a mission and the north koreans didn't take kindly to that at all. he is now on his way home in a pretty extraordinary and rapid day of developments. >> yeah, bill, i think americans find it very odd and strange that people are actually considering north korea as a vacation spot. but apparently some do. good news for this gentleman from ohio. thank you, bill neely, we appreciate it. more on the release of jeffrey fowle. governor jay nixon is unveiling what is being called a new effort to reduce issues raised by events in ferguson.
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being joined from business, education and civil rights organizations as well as representatives of police agencies to reveal the new plan. now, of course, today's event comes on the heels of more than 70 consecutive days of protest since the august 9 police shooting of unarmed teen michael brown. governor nixon was widely criticized for what some call a small response when the protests turned chaotic over the summer and accused police of heavy-handed response. today's announcement comes as a st. louis grand jury becomes the proverbial watched pot as the group weighs to indict darren wilson. at the same time, governor nixon is under fire for stumping for a state candidate who happens to be a police officer and who currently serves as the business manager for the st. louis police officers association where he oversees shield of hope. all of othis as new details in a
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"new york times" report reignite the debate. msnbc reporter eugene odo'donne a protesfessor of law. thank you for being here. >> you have this announcement by governor nixon that they're going to try to convene some kind of a task force to make changes to the way police operate in ferguson. talk a little bit about the people you talked to on the ground in ferguson. is there an openness to a change led by this particular politician? >> when you talk about all the shadowy and all the smoke around this case and the politicians, including the governor, including the county prosecutor's office and there is no trust from the people on the ground. >> no confidence. >> in his prepared remarks he talks about the decade long cry for justice. but on the ground there, if people don't get any structural way the way they're being arrested on the ground.
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>> i want to come back and talk about this guy that he supported for state senate. let's listen to governor nixon talking about these changes. >> the ferguson commission. i'm asking for your help in identifying individuals in this region to serve on this important commission. i plan to announce earlier selected next month. my fervent hope and my belief is that we will find thoughtful people from every walk of life. ordinary citizens, as well as empowered leaders in business, education, public safety and our faith communities. who are willing to serve their state when it needs them the most. my charge to the commission through an executive order will be three-fold. first, to conduct a thorough, wide-ranging and unflinching study of the social and economic conditions underscored by the unrest in the wake of the death of michael brown. second, to tap the expertise
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needed to address the concerns identified by the commission. from poverty and education to governance and law enforcement. and, third, to offer specific recommendations for making this region a stronger, fairer place for everyone to live. the men and women selected to serve on this commission must be willing to come together in good faith endure the fierce crucible of public opinion. and lead the hard work of change. they must be willing to talk candidly and openly. and more importantly, to listen to what those on every side have to say. these are difficult conversations that for far too long have been avoided or ignored. this is not the work for the faint of heart. make no mistake.
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there will be anger and conflict. fear and distrust. the enemies of change will not easily yield to reason voices calling for stronger, more united region. but it move forward, we must transcend anger and fear. we must move past pain and disappointment. we must open our hearts and minds to what others have seen. what others have lived. and respect their truth. that is the challenge that lies before us. and i believe the good people of this region are eager to meet that challenge. let me be clear. this is not an investigation into michael brown's death. or the facts of what happened on the street that day. the responsibility for that investigation belongs to the st. louis county --
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>> all right, we are listening to governor jay nixon making a statement about the formation of a new commission. we did lose the feed there. let me just recap of what he said for my guests here still at the table. first, they'll conduct a thorough, wide-ranging of the social economic conditions underscored in the death of michael brown. tap the expertise needed to address these concerns identified by the commission from poverty to education. governance in law enforcement and offer recommendations for making this region a stronger, fair place for everyone to live. eugene o'donnell, talk about change in police procedures. that is glaringly missing from this. >> i am actually a believer in commissions, if you appoint the right people, they can say things that elected officials don't. i hope they put the elected officials on the spot here. we need criminal justice reform. that has to be right out there. things like enforcing drug laws or criminalizing so many people and it reverberates because you're trying to get
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african-american young people to be cops and sometimes becomes a background issue. that takes a commission to say this machinery, this criminal justice machinery, we have to put the pause button on and look at it and kind of right size it. we have a huge police footprint or such a jail footprint. we have to put a stop to that. >> that's not what is in this commission. this commission as far as the statement that we receive from jay nixon that we were just listening to him deliver. broader issues of education and poverty and not talking about eugene o'donnell just said. >> is this part of the dance or some truth to it? governor rick scott formed the stand your ground task force and they talked to everyone and heard all this testimony that was heart wrenching and riveting. so, unless there's some real motivation for change and actually teeth as part of the cogs of this machine to change, what will it be besides a bunch of people having this
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unflinching dialogue. >> he goes on to say in a statement more acts of destruction and violence will not tolerate it and only hurt the communities that have suffered the most. i think people understand the communities are hurting, but this does sound like a statement designed to keep jay nixon in a good relationship with police officers, with police agencies. is that a good starting point for a politician who wants to have the dialogue you just mentioned to really not address at all the issues of how police interact with citizens? >> i don't know, just the ferguson commission either. this is statewide issues to be sure and national issues for that matter. but look in terms of the police officers, you do have to try to engage them because the police in ferguson are going to be the police in ferguson. they need to do more recruiting, they need to be more representative, but probably 95% of the cops going forward are going to be the police there. they do have to try to engage them in a positive way. >> what will concerns be? in something like this where
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they are under the microscope even if is not parts of the commission, what are the concerns in the situation like this. >> i've rarely seen a police department where there are not good people in the organization. push the people in the organization in the direction of the good people. you malign everybody then the good people get turned off. you have to try, unless this is a hopeless cause, which i hope it's not. find the nucleus of good, decent people on the job and it is, without a doubt, you can't have a department that is so unrepresentative in this day in age. these are reforms that you should have 20, 30 years ago that you're just now trying to get around to. >> it's important that you mentioned that because you have said before on this show, eugene, the important thing is for the good officers to really be in a sense the police over the bad ones. that you have to have foster a sense of community. the other political issue for jay nixon, who is a democrat that i like to remind people. these are democrats and democrats. he is endorsing a guy for the missouri state senate who is, himself, a former police officer.
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and he said about him recently, you've seen a lot of leaders go through the senate seat and missouri senate for working people for education and make sure folks follow the rule of law. it fits right in there. that sounds like a typical endorsement. here is what we know about according to the riverfront times. he said body cameras that were purchased for st. louis and ferguson police were purchased on a whim without purchase approval and he's not so good for that. he is a long-time critic of the idea of recording police officers at all. he's the business manager as we mentioned earlier of the police officer's association and in that capacity he oversees shield of hope, which is fund-raising for darren wilson. does that complicate jay nixon's ability to be the guy who is the convener here when that is also in the record? >> what complicates it not just some coded language. in the wake of the killing, his comments have been almost outright incendiary. an investigation going on right now about a police officer oin st. louis who called the employer of a protester.
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in his response he said you're standing up for these thugs and what about his officers? his remarks continue to add fuel to the fire which are his situation in the entire region. >> the police officers are calling people's employers and that is the allegation being made by some people. eugene, what is the right way to go about this. we do have the governor making an attempt to try to move forward. if you wered advising jay nixon what are your three steps that you want to see him put in place to move forward. not just in ferguson, but moving forward. >> so many police departments think they're doing better than they are. if you go in there, they're telling you how great they are. look hard in the mirror and see how this organization is doing it. go beyond ferguson and try to look at statewide standard. police officers should never be shooting unless an absolute last resort and anything short of that shouldn't be the rule. and recruitment. just, it's mind boggling to go into that community. i've been in ferguson to think of this very diverse community
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being so unrepresented. it does change the culture when you work with people from different backgrounds. there's no question it can nudge things in a very positive direction. >> i want to bring in, thank you, first of all, really appreciate you both being here. just last week meanwhile, mike brown's parent sent a letter to the governor asking for the case to be handed over to a special prosecutor. state senator has been among those leading that change. you remember, she scuffled with police back in august while hand delivering signatures calling for st. louis prosecutor to recuse himself from the case. well last night as a group of protesters gathered outside the ferguson police department, she was arrested. police say she failed to get out of the street after being told multiple times to do so. she spent the night in jail and her attorney told "st. louis post dispatch" that she wants to present this as an alternative to any violent action, referring
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to the potential for violence if a grand jury fails to indict darren wilson. a grassroots organization focused on radical reform in the wake of michael brown's death. so, ashley, you, i hopefully got a chance to hear a little bit of what governor jay nixon is saying what he would like to do. he is putting together a task force that hasn't been put together yet. but he wants to conduct a thorough, wide-ranging study of the social and economic conditions underscored by the unrest in the wake of the death of michael brown. is that satisfactory to you as one of the people who has been on the streets protesting? >> absolutely not, joy. as treymaine said another step in their dance. he wants to convene people most affected by this and bring new ideas to the table. we have been out there for 70 plus days telling him exactly what is needed to actually affect real change in this situation. no addresses of police reform. there is no accountability that was brought up in his statement. so, the things that we have been
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demanding for thomas jackson to be fired as a police chief and for real sevilcivilian oversigh accountability in the police department yet again going unaddressed. this is definitely not a satisfactory response at all. >> the second of his three-tier piece does say that he wants to see issues addressed that have been identified by this commission to be named that include poverty, education, governance and law enforcement. that is a very comprehensive approach. law enforcement is one tiny piece of it. if you were to be asked to be on a commission like this, what would you like to see addressed in those areas? >> joy, first we have to address the immediate needs. we have to address why people have been out for 70 plus days. we have to address what got us to this situation and the immediate past. so, we have to start with the killing of michael brown and we have to see some accountability in that case. you just spoke of the family renewing the call for thomas jackson to step down. those are things that we need to see happen to even begin to
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address the underlying issues. we can't not address the hurt that's sitting right on top. he says move past the pain and it disappointment. the black community in ferguson is unable to move past the pain and disaappointment because we had no healing. >> ashley yates, thank you very much. >> always thank you, joy. we are continuing to keep an eye on the state department where we're getting more details now on the release of american jeffrey fowle after being detained for six months. i believe we are going to listen in. >> he has been evaluated by a doctor and appears to be in good health. he has been in detention in north korea. we will continue to provide any necessary counselor assistance to him. we, obviously, has been providing it to his family and continue to provide it to him in the coming days and weeks, if he requires that. you know, i think we'll let the north koreans speak for themselves on why they did decide to do this. why now. but, again we're pleased that he was able to leave and release
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the other two. >> is it fair to assume that one of the reason why he was released and the other two has not been that he has not been convicted of a crime at this point? >>ed i let the dpr speak to that. >> would you explain how that would speak in the negotiations? >> not get into the efforts here. >> no u.s. envoys on the ground here. mostly facilitated by the swedish diplomats. >> we're not going to give more details in general, but as we said in a statement, this was a department of defense at the request of the request department to meet mr. fowle and left pyongyang with him and they have those resources. >> if i'm reading between the line, i'm understanding that north korea kind of arbitrarily or for whatever reasons decided to release mr. fowle and that this was not a product of negotiators whether from the united states or other countries being on the ground. >> i'm not telling you to read between the lines or indicati
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indicating -- >> can you maybe tell us who made the first contact or was this done through you think swedes but was japan involved, as well? >> i don't have any more details to share to you about this. i'm sorry, guys, this is, obviously, happening very fast. if we have any more details to share, we will. >> can you confirm he is at guan at the moment? >> i can confirm that is where the plane flew from pyongyang. i'm not sure if they're on the ground or on their way back. his return to the united states today. >> can you talk about this window -- >> how unusual it is for a dod plane to be involved. i know there have been other captives released. >> as i said in my statement, there was a time issue that we just go to it here. the defense department was able to provide transportation i think it was a timing issue. >> they didn't specifically ask for a government plan, they just
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said he needs to leave as it's done. >> the dpr authorities asked the united states government to transport him out of the country and get in this time frame, the department of defense was able to offer a plane. >> can you talk more -- go ahead. >> so, from what we understand, pyongyang reached out to the u.s. on this one? >> i'm not going to give more details about the discussions. i want to remind people that there are still two americans detained in north korea and we want to work actively to get them home, as well. >> any message been sent to pyongyang about those two? >> obviously, we hope they are both next. >> can you talk about the time ye period? >> listening to marie hart who has been talking about the release of jeffrey fowle from north korea and he is on his way home to ohio. we'll keep you up to date on this story as it developments and we will be right back.
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their heavy hitters hitting the roads for the midterms. with one prime directive in mind, hold the senate majority. former president bill clinton hits kentucky after visiting illinois this afternoon. while first lady michelle obama will campaign for al franken's re-elect after a rally in iowa. all this comes after progressive stars senator elizabeth warren made her first stop in iowa over the weekend. senior political correspondent, perry, let's talk about how the democrats are using their top people. you've got bill clinton heading to illinois, arkansas, kentucky, michigan, wisconsin, iowa, louisiana and new hampshire. he's covering his former state that he was governor of. a lot of southern places. kind of getting a wide map. you've got warren scheduled to be in minnesota, ohio, new mexico, kentucky, oregon, west virginia, wisconsin, michigan, massachusetts, new hampshire.
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elizabeth warren is the go-to celeb here. >> three kind of go-to. and they're in every state. pill clint bill clinton is going to the south and also going to new hampshire and colorado, as you said. the key is president obama as you know, not as popular six year presidency. so, you're seeing other surrogates step in. the same way, actually, president obama was on the trail a lot in 2006 and bill clinton very popular and warren very popular trying to get the base enthusiastic and that's why you're seeing these surrogates all over the country. >> one thing i will notice about elizabeth warren's schedule, perry, she's going in the upper south. kentucky, west virginia, but she's not going down into kay hagan territory. she's not in arkansas. she's not being used in the places where really it is about getting out the of a frica american vote. >> bill clinton is known as the centrist, moderate, draw talking
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democrat. known as the progressive liberals. not great for her to be in arkansas. bill clinton is a former governor in that state, as well. >> also, politics campaigns are about compartmentalization. you spent a lot of money on tv and ground game and you just discreetly use your people. president obama not on that list of people who are going everywhere, but he is being used in a very specific way. i want to play the interview that he gave with our colleague reverend al sharpton on the radio. let's take a listen. >> a lot of the states that are contested this time are states that i didn't win. and so some of the candidates there, you know, it is difficult for them to have me in the state because the republicans will use that to try to fan republican turnout. the bottom line is, though, these are all folks who vote with me. they have supported my agenda in congress." >> now, perry, that has been taken by some in the media to be
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a bad idea because that can get picked up and clipped into an ad. but i kind of read that as the president saying to afric african-american voters in north korea and georgia don't take it out on this statewide politician, this senator that they're not standing with he. go out for them anyway because, really, they need you and really they're not against me. is that how you read it? >> that's how i read it. one i read was a statement of the obvious. president obama didn't win in georgia and didn't win in 2012. not very popular in those states. that's true. also he's doing this whole blitz on black radio. that's intentional. the democrats need strong black turnout in georgia and north carolina and kentucky for that matter. that's what he's trying to do. make sure people know that allison grimes didn't say she's going to vote for me but not enthu enthusiastic about voting for me but i think these are the candidates i support. signal to people, vote for these democrats even if they're not standing beside me. >> in campaigns, midterms are
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base elections, not elections about independents. they're about getting out your base and that is one of the down and they still want kentuckians to come out and vote. >> 130 people voted in the 2012 election. so, you just have a smaller base of people you're trying, most people are going to vote. that's why these polls are not moving very much because most people already know who they're voting for in the midterm election and not a lot of swing voters to swing. >> let's talk about one other as spe aspect which is this ground game. let's go to iowa, for instance, where democrats have 35 field offices and republicans only have 13. talk about the significance of ground game specifically for democrats and what they need to do. >> this is a trend you've seen. i think it's in iowa, arkansas, north carolina, where democrats have opened up many more offices than republicans have and they
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believe the ground game was better in 2012 and better now. the question is like how unpopular are these democrats in these states where you're seeing, for instance, a big shift in kansas right now where roberts is gaining because there are just more republicans in kansas than there are democrats. the problem may be the same in georgia and arkansas where michelle nunn is getting 87% of the black vote but 30% of the white vote and hard to win in that dynamic even if your ground game is very good. versus a state like iowa where the parties are pretty divided, colorado i put in that example, as well. >> the democrats are also trying to do this thing where people who voted in '08 and '12 and didn't vote in '10, for the democrats this is actually just a chase, right? >> this is a chase. these huge numbers of black voters who voted in 2010 and didn't vote in 2010 and came out again in 2012. making sure what the data all
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shows is the midterm electorate tends to be all white and older. the democrats, you can't change it completely, can you make the electorate look more like the one in 2012, that will change the game. if you have 1% more black turnout in the state, you probably have 1% more vote for a candidate who is a democrat. >> so, perry, just talk about in terms of the political watchers. what are the sort of three races that we should be watching that will tell us kind of the direction this whole thing is going now? what are the three key senate races in your view? >> i think there's three. there's iowa and colorado where it's really hard to see. democrats have been gaining in those states. obama won pretty strongly in those states in 2008, 2012, the fact that the democrat candidates are struggling there. those two are important. the other thing that is important is that kansas, arman was leading for a while but republicans are coming back to roberts now and that's a big challen challenge. it becomes 50/50 roberts could win the 51st seat. >> we'll watch those states and
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so go to today for personalized, affordable legal protection. we're getting more details right now on our breaking news on jeffrey fowle after being detained in north korea for six months. fowle is in good health. >> we can confirm that jeffrey fowle has been allowed to depart and on his way home to rejoin his family. we welcome the decision to release him. while this is a positive decision, we remain focused on the detention of kenneth bae and matthew miller and allowing to immediately release them. >> not answer many specifics about the release, only that they're still working to release two other americans in detension. matthew miller and kenneth bae. meanwhile, in eastern pennsylvania the pocono school district canceled classes today
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and 200 officers intensified the manhunt of eric frein. frein is the main suspect in the ambush and shooting of two state troopers, one of whom has died. an msnbc law enforcement analyst. why do you think it's taking so long to apprehend this man? >> well, the terrain is so rough, joy. the mountainous area up there in pennsylvania and one man can hide and he can see a group of tactical officers or ageance moving in quicker than they can see him. but they've squeezed him down. you know, he's lasted a while. certainly he's had some food stores and probably stolen some food. and i would say he's changed his mission a little bit. he's evaded, but he wants to kill, again. i think it really is a heightened state of danger for the police there and not only the tactical agents and troopers and police officers, but the patrolmen because if this guy can get his sight on anybody even then squad car on a routine
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patrol, he wants to kill, again. he wants to evade mode for a while, but he really wants to kill, again. >> you know, the perception is that police have so much high-tech equipment that it's so difficult to hide out at all in society, period. would this man have to pretty much get rid of all electronics. what would he need to do to survive this long out in the wilderness? >> well, that's a great question, joy. he doesn't have electronics that they can track him. what he has been protected most is the canopy. you can't see through that with normal vision, even infrared radar from above. there's a lot of protection there as the leaves fall and he loses some of that. and they gain some ability to see him. but, of course, he can also see them. but just his, you know, sort of fanatical believes. he played the serbian soldier and this fantasy that he's on and this death wish he's in. it's manic and it's keeping him driven. so, you know, he could probably
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last a little longer, but he's going to be caught or killed. you know be better a bear find him in a cave than he hurts another person. >> this is, obviously, a huge manhunt and costing millions of dollars. you're talking about local police and federal assistance. how much does this end up sort of distracting from and draining resources from other police work and investigations? >> well, that's another great question. it does drain law enforcement, but law enforcement is prepared to do it. federal, state and city and county s.w.a.t teams are all there and this is the appropriate deployment of s.w.a.t. this is where s.w.a.t or srt, special response teams are appropriately used and the gear they use is appropriate. this is the kind of things that was designed for. you got a guy with a 308 long rifle that wants to kill you. i don't think any of the major agencies will be affected and certainly the federal agencies, fbi, itf all more than capable of doing this. we carried on the operations for
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years at a time. we eccan handle it to county s.w.a.t in pennsylvania. guys are very strong and they have regional s.w.a.t and this is a priority up there. >> we should note the investigation so far has cost a million dollars a week. we'll talk about the community surrounding this area since no one knows where this person is. what is the law enforcement task of keeping people secure. what do people need to do around the area? >> they are being very alert. a woman on friday who spotted r frein near the pocono high school. i think all the citizens are on their side. when all the citizens are on your side, you will win and capture them. democracy like ours. when that breaks down, you know you can't have effective law enforcement. so, they're on your side there. they've done it and reporting it
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and local officer saw him. more sightings more frequent and the area squeezing down and all that is positive. i'm hoping in the next couple of weeks they'll have him. >> isn't it, would it be the case that after a while this long sort of out there in the world maybe you'll make a mistake. his psychological condition will deterri deterrierate. is that in the end the way this guy is going to get brought down? >> it's difficult to be outside constantly like that in the elements. if you don't have the right stores of fat in your diet, you know, we talk about fat and worry about it, but you need it to survive. and so, he's got to be able to do that. he's got to deal with the weather and in arduous terrain like that he could fall in a ravine or off a ledge in the dark of night. he could get bit by a snake or a bear. it's not without peril to be moving in the woods at night. even moving around at night, you get poked in the eye by a stick. i mean, you could suffer many injuries in the woods and he's
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not going to be able to call 911. so, he could bleed out. there's a lot of danger for him there. but he knows that. he wants that. >> all right. and, of course, obviously being hunted by multiple law enforcement agencies. jim kavanagh, appreciate it. coming up, more on the midterms for you. we'll talk buckeye state politics with jerry springer about why he is on the campaign trail in ohio.
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so while the u.s. senate races get all the big headlines in the countdown to the midterms, a statewide election in ohio where early voting started two weeks ago may determine how that state swings in 2016. the election is for secretary of state and it pits incumbent john husted against nina turner. which party manages the next
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election in one of the most crucial states in the union. recently i got a chance to talk to talk show most and mayor jerry springer on the importance of the race. take a listen. >> first of all, thank you so much for being here, mr. springer. >> well, absolutely. thanks for having me. >> so, let's talk about this race. why did you decide to personally get involved in the race and why are you focused on secretary of state? >> well, i think the secretary of state race is critically important because that has to do with the access people have to actually voting, particularly voting early. and that is the one thing, even in the year that would otherwise, let's say, favor the republicans, i think this is probably an issue that all americans should agree on. that we have to make it as easy as possible for people to vote. we want that to happen. and there is a battle going on in ohio as in other places in the country to make it more
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difficult for people to vote early, to vote in person. and there's a fight going on with the current secretary of state who cut down on the days it's open and the hours the board of elections is open. we ehhad a million people in oh vote early in the vote early last time. that's a lot of people getting a chance to exercise their rights. and now that's going to be shut down for an awful lot of people because the times, the hours that the polls are open, it's just not as convenient any more. and i think the goal should be let's let people vote. ideally, we want every american to vote because then we have a government that represents all the people, not just the people at the top. >> it is amazing. i mean, given the history in ohio. you had going all the way back to kent blackwell and the elections when he was running, the state election system and people's questions about the presidential races that he oversaw, does it surprise you that 92% of ohio voters in the
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latest pew poll don't know it is the secretary of state that manages the elections in that state. is that shocking to you? >> well, it really isn't because most people aren't that interested in politics. until it's something that they see effects them directly. so, in local politics. if they're going to put a shopping center up across your house, suddenly you're interested in politics. back when i was younger, young people were interested in politics because we had the draft. and so everyone was concerned about the vietnam war. not based on policy, but because as soon as they graduated high school, they were going to vietnam. i think that's what happens in america. and, you know, let's be honest. in our campaigns across the country, we discourage young people from getting involved. every commercial you see today is a negative commercial saying how the other person is some kind of a bum, is someone that should be in prison and should
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molest people. we constantly say this and oftentimes, frankly, on both sides. and the result is that young people grow up and say, why do i want to get politically involved? all these people that are running for office are sleaze buckets. and i think that we're facing that consequence and that's whoi they don't know specific things about when the eelections are and how they can vote early and all that kind of stuff. >> nina turner, the state senator that you're going out to support has been very forward leaning on this issue of voting rights. is that like a real centerpiece of the campaign? are you getting personally involved? you do seem passionate about voting rights. >> other than she's extremely well qualified and a great candidate, but i love the fact that she's made this the centerpiece. the fact of the matter is we want to make it possible for people to vote early. you know, why not expand the hours? why not be able to have more days where people can vote, more hours where the polls are open that they can vote. what's the argument against
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that? you know, why would you want to stop someone from voting? you know, we had it that they could vote. the two sundays before election at the board of elections. what is wrong about that? we know why they opposed it because african-americans, a whole bunch go to church on sunday and from church they all go over to the polls and vote. they try to discourage african-americans from voting because they think these people will vote for a democrat. all that kind of stuff. we know what the motive is. and it stinks. >> well, jerry springer, great that you've gotten involved. a former mayor yourself. former mayor of cincinnati and everybody knows jerry springer. thank you for being here and i guess you're going to get involved in the governor's race and you are out there stumping for nina turner for secretary of state. thank you for being here. >> hey, thanks for having me, joy. that wraps things up for "the reid report." tomorrow we'll talk with dr. george french about the big changes coming to the federal
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student loan program. dr. french played a key role in those changes and we'll tell you what it will mean for millions of students who will aspire to get a college degree. happy tuesday. >> hey, joy. >> happy tuesday. jerry springer, i like that. >> jerry, jerry! >> we're going to have the latest on the new ebola guidelines from the cdc and also the new travel restrictions that are coming in and we'll also talk to the one and only howard findman about midterm politics. get the latest there. i'll talk about the person who is driving conservatives absolutely batty. making them crazy. >> who could that possibly be? "the cycle" is up next. crest 3d white with whitelock technology.
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mixed headlines on the global fight against ebola. infections are growing in west
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africa. but finally some positive news to report here at home. good afternoon, i'm krystal ball and as we come on the air today, new cases are spiking in sierra lionne. averaging 20 deaths a day. supposed to begin vaccine trials not in a lab but where they are needed most in the epicenter of this outbreak. >> we expect to have data in december and there is a very, very strong movement now from governance of many country to push as quickly as possible this vaccine into real world use. >> tens of thousands of that test vaccine should be available in late december or early january when cases are expected to near 1.4 million. but it is a different story here in the states where dallas health


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