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infections are growing in west africa. but finally some positive news to report here at home. good afternoon, i'm krystal ball and as we come on the air today, new cases are spiking in sierra lionne. averaging 20 deaths a day. supposed to begin vaccine trials not in a lab but where they are needed most in the epicenter of this outbreak. >> we expect to have data in december and there is a very, very strong movement now from governance of many country to push as quickly as possible this vaccine into real world use. >> tens of thousands of that test vaccine should be available in late december or early january when cases are expected to near 1.4 million. but it is a different story here in the states where dallas health officials have now
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declared 60 potentially exposed people out of the woods. they surpassed that 21-day monitoring period after potential exposure to thomas eric duncan. the so-called magic date for the city to be completely ebola free is november 7th. the conditions of nurses amber vinson and nina pham are in improving. while in nebraska the cameraman could be declared ebola free and isolation free by this weekend. our views have changed dramatically in the past three weeks. just the past month, we thoughts ebola was a problem in west africa and we were told it could not happen here. >> our experts at the cdc and across our government agree that the chances of an ebola outbreak here in the united states are extremely low. >> now, after one death and two infections on u.s. soil, the game has completely changed. hospitals now specifically ask
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about recent travel to africa. the 21-day quarantine and personal protective equipment are now part of everyday vocabulary and new travel rules for anyone possibly exposed. we have an ebola czar. and today hospitals are adjusting to fresh cdc guidel e guidelines to how they use that protective gear while dealing with patients. that includes training and zero exposed skin and ensure that all those guidelines are being followed. also new today, the department of homeland security will require all west africa travelers to the u.s. to arrive at one of the five airports that are running those enhanced screenings. that includes the temperature reading, travel log and contact information. >> there's been a lot of public attention on the screening measures that are in place for individuals who are arriving at airports. there are some protocols in place for those who arrive at
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sea ports and over our land ports of entry, as well. >> nbc sarah dollup, what big changes have you noticed from a month ago? >> you just touched on it and the awareness that this outbreak brought, specifically to the city of dallas and the surrounding areas. a month ago, eeboebola was someg foreign and didn't affect the daily lives of people here. fast forward to today and their vocabulary has changed and at supermarkets and at the grocery store talk about ebola and protective personal equipment and touchless scanners. this is something very front and center in people's mind here right now. they also were learning more about monitoring and the risk period for ebola. speaking of that, we do have that good news today and now a total of 60 people have rolled off the watch list. they are declared ebola free.
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that leaves approximately 110 people still being monitored right now. a portion of those people are health care workers. we know about 25 of those people are actually staying the night here in the hospital. their health care workers here out of concern that if they were to develop symptoms of ebola, they could potentially expose their family. the department of homeland security today also releasing some new numbers that reflect on how those increased scanning procedures are going. out of the 560 plus passengers that entered the u.s. at those five airports since earlier this month, they have found three people who have had elevated temperatures. now, those screenings were being done at the five u.s. airports that serve about 94% of the people coming over from west f rucu. you mentioned today the department of homeland security announcing 100% of travelers from west africa to go through one of those five airports. we're learning more on how america is reacting to ebola being here on the u.s. soil for the first time.
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a new pew research center poll shows that 41% of people say they are worried someone in their family could be exposed to ebola. that is up nearly 10% from two weeks ago. 58% say that they are not worried. that is a drop from 67% there on october 5th. krystal. >> sarah dallop in dallas, once again. thank you so much here with us at the table is director of the national center for disaster preparedness at columbia university. thank you for being here with us, doctor. >> glad to be here, thanks. >> les start with new cdc guidelines and how much of an improvement is that and how do you assess our preparedness as a nation if another ebola patient and someone infected with ebola were to show up here at one of our hospitals? >> i think what happened when the dallas situation first occurred and mr. duncan who was seen in the e.r. sent home and came back and a series of other missteps by not only the
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hospitals, but the local health department has been a serious wake-up call for the country. i don't think there's another city in the united states that's going to allow themselves to the extent that they can help it to be caught in that kind of situation. so, the amount of preparedness has been absolutely extraordinary. you know, new york city being one of the prime examples of how far a city could actually go to make sure its citizens are protected. so, i think things are happening and the question is this is going to be a sustained wake-up call or not. in other words, will we end up with ebola eventually getting under control and not really doing the things we need to do to beef up and bolster our ability to be prepared for other disasters and other biological threats. far worse things that we could be facing right now than ebola. hopefully, this entire experience will put us in a better position for whatever is to come in the future. >> hey, doctor, ari melber in l.a. you talk about beefing up or bolstering these programs. the federal guidelines only go as far as local ability to comply. we were looking at these numbers
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today. one out of three hospitals have some kind of financial shortcoming or crisis. federal programs in this area like the hospital preparedness program and the public health emergency preparedness program have fallen over $200 million. both of them in the last decade, as you know-how does that actual financial problem, which often gets referred to as politics in this debate. how does that get addressed here for our long-term preparedness? >> this is something we ehave been pushing for years now that we have been seeing this gradual erosion of funding for the hospital preparedness program and the public health agencies. getting no traction whatsoever. this has actually been very low-hanging fruit. these programs are easy to cut when we're not having a crisis. now we're having a crisis and people are beginning it focus on this. one of the primary things that should come out of our current ebola situation is the immediate restoration of the funding that we have been hoping to get restored now for several years
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and since 2008, for instance, 50,000 public health jobs have been eliminated because these cuts. now, this new cdc guidelines, for example, call for more training. how are you going to train them if you don't have the money to support the training? you need instructors and you need people, supervising this full time. you need the equipment on hand. it costs money and it's not happening. >> the other issue that people are talking about is the potential of a travel ban. a new study suggests that going forward each month 2.8 ebola infected travelers might fly out of guinea, liberia and sierra leone, but the likelihood of flying to france than them flying here. no direct flights between here and there but still every serious medical professional say a traveling ban won't work. marco rubio ewas the latest one to climb on.
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what do you think about a travel ban? would it be ebeneficial? >> we had experience and a lot of thinking about this, not just for ebola but previously and travel bans actually don't work. i mean, if they worked, why would we object to them? it would be something certainly to consider. "a," they don't work and there are downsides, which include, for example, inhibiting travel back and forth with health workers and with people trying to test the vaccines and humanitarian assistance. >> they don't keep the disease from coming in anyway. >> they don't keep the disease from coming in. they reduce our ability to control the epidemic in the three countries where it's most prominent and that would be a disaster because we're not going to fix this in the u.s. or the uk until we have gotten to the root of the problem. >> this is their response to feeling afraid. if we ban all flights, that's the answer. which i tend to disagree with. for the first time in gallup history, ebola and other viruses on the top ten list of things that americans are most concerned about. it's tied at number six. you can see up there with the
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economy and wh iraq. you're a preparedness expert. what does this shift tell you? is this a positive step that we are now aware of what's going on or is this just unnecessary fear? >> first of all, it depends on what happens two weeks from now, two months from now. we keep calling things like this a wake-up call. we keep hitting the snooze button. as soon as the drama is over and the cameras are gone, the reporters are gone, we slip back into complacency and i'm worried that we actually won't restore these fundings that we were talking about. that would be really a terrible outcome for this. so, the question is, how are we going to sustain the interest and the concern of the american people at least until we get the funding to a place it needs to be. >> we need to learn the right lessons here. thank you, really appreciate it. >> sure, you're welcome. up next, the white house reacting to some big news out of north korea today. plus, would you spend $100 million for a job that pays $174,000 a year? and later, send in the
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reaction coming from the white house and the state department frauloing the release of jeffrey fowle one of the three americans held. chris jansing is on the north lawn for us. chris, why did this happen today? >> the white house, state departments and others have been working on this for six months since he was arrested.
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56 years old from ohio and he is a municipal worker there. he was there on a tourist visa and apparently left behind a bible at a club that is often frequentlied by foreign tourists and foreign sailors, in particular. in a country that considers christianity and others that consider it a threat he was arrest ed arrested. what exactly came together? we don't know. that question was asked at the state department briefing. but as you note, ray, still two other americans being held and they're very careful not to say anything that could possibly put in jeopardy their release. >> chris, what does this mean for those other two being held, matt miller and ken bae? >> obviously, the white house remains hopeful. in fact, we heard about it just a short time ago at the white house briefing with josh earnest. let me play for what you he had to say. >> we welcome the decision to release him. a positive decision and we
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remain focused on kenneth bae and matthew miller and calling to immediately release them. its government will work actively on their cases. >> nine americans have been taken into custody. those are the only two that remain. so, again, the white house remains hopeful. swedish government, let me say, finally, very important in this. we don't have any formal diplomatic relations with north korea, they serve as aerovoice and got a thank you from the white house and state department for their role in the release today. >> thanks for that. domestic politics now. there are now just 14 days left until the midterms. early voting, already under way, which means time for -- love that music. there's many close races, people. the trend lines look bad for the republicans. >> what? >> not bad meaning bad, but bad meaning good. >> there you go. >> but the dnc sent out the bat
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signal and hillary clinton stumping in colorado right now trying to save senator udall from gop momentum. and elvis, aka is in kentucky for two events today with alison grimes who is no longer getting funds. let's bring in someone whose favorability rating is always sky high. howard fineman. >> i thought that was my music. >> it can be your music. >> not because i'm drinking out of ari's angle mug. >> we apologize. >> i would like my own mug. >> so, let's talk about campaigning. okay. the fundamentals of this election were set a year or two ago, how folks feel about the president and how they feel about the economy, the direction of the country. what party they typically go with. these are the fundamental elections. these things are pretty much set in stone a year or two ago. so, what about campaigning. how much does campaigning matter?
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i know it does matter, but how much difference does it make? >> it depends on what you mean by campaigning. television ads are not campaigning and going around from courthouse to courthouse in a bus is sort of campaigning but not the most important kind of campaigning. especially in low turnout elections, which this midterm will be. it's targeting, it's on the ground forces who are going to almost literally drag people to the polls. >> right. >> i mean, this is what it's going to be. person by person, van by van. suv by suv to get out the vote. and that's what really matters. the presence of the candidate in a small state going county to county can make a difference. >> it's a two to three-point difference, right? >> two to three points in these elections is going to mean everything. and the bad, the bad sign for the democrats are the ones that they need to worry about is the fact that polls show that republicans are somewhat more
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motivated in this dislike for all politicians. the republicans are more motivated. now, they're motivated for negative reasons. but whatever gets you to the polls, gets you to the polls. >> exactly. >> that's the key. >> i mean, i have been so fascinated by this election cycle because it's been incredibly unpredictable. i mean, democrats have shots in a place that you wouldn't think given the fact that overall there's this gop momentum. close polling in georgia and new poll out of kentucky that is still close even though i think that one may be gone. meanwhile, in states like kentucky where you think they would have an easier shot. they're struggling there and then craziness in kansas and in south dakota with independent candidates. is there an overarching narrative here? how are you viewing all these events? >> to me, the analogy i would use would be like a river in a drought. i mean, you're seeing all kinds of patterns and flows exposed by the rocks that you wouldn't normally see. because people are so turned off to politics.
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they're turned off to the mechanics and turned off to the president who they used to like and the republicans have no positive message whatsoever. >> that's right. >> so, in that situation, tricky things can happen. and there's resentment of all big powers. there's resentment of big corporate money, although i think running against the coke brothers is a waste of time. them specifically. but the idea of running against power that you can't control is out there. that's why michelle nunn has a chance in georgia because the republican there, purdue, bragged about sending jobs overseas. that's why she's got a shot. colorado is on the nice edge culturally, which is why udall will have problems there or is having problems there. so, i think some people are going to lose this time that we're not going to expect. in this kind of environment, things happen weird. >> it's also about the mood of the country with right now it's all about fear, fear, fear. but think about being in north carolina. the air waves are just blanketed with these negative ads. i want you to talk to us more
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about the money that has been spent. because it is a totally out of control $100 million for just the senate race in north carolina. probably the most ever spent on a senate race ever. it gets to the point where it's almost counterproductive. you think what does this mean for 2016? >> well, i think that presidential campaigns generally have to have some forward momentum and idea of hope about them. they generally do. but here in the sixth year of a two-term president. everybody is mad at everybody else. everybody is seen even liberal democrats have found disappoi disappointment from time to time in president obama. as i say, the republicans have no positive message even. they're connecting on negatives. that $100 million worth of tv advertising pretty much cancels itself out but just so much of it that all people end up with is the feeling that both candidates are lousy. >> they don't want to vote. >> in a place like kentucky,
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which i know well, it is a race between whom do you like less? mitch mcconnell, who they can't stand in kentucky or barack obama, whom they can't stand in kentucky. and it's pretty much true all the way around. kay hagan is not beloved in north carolina. but neither is tom tillis. i know republicans who find tillis to be too conservative. >> right. >> and i know liberal democrats who find hagan not to be liberal enough. so, it's, this is the exagger e exaggerated version of american politics at its worst, in my humble opinion. >> howard, greetings from l.a. i think you're right about all the reasons to be down. the money definitely gets in the way of what we think of as voter driven democracy. let me contribute one good thing which is the changes in early voting do seem positive for regular people to get out and have time to vote. as you know, we now have over 2.7 million votes already cast. we talk about election day and you've been covering elections
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for a long time. as you know, it's a profoundly different environment now when you show up on the screen here. most of the country has early voting. many states completely vote by mail, which gives people weeks to do it. talk to us about how that changes the way these campaigns operate in the home stretch because if you're running in some of these states, right now maybe more important to your base turnout strategy than the actual election day. >> yes, you're right. you're absolutely right and that type of campaigning you were talking about targeted person by person through the mail and on the internet and social media plays to the early voting thing you're talking about. the other part, the physical part of it on election day. you're right. i think early voting, i'm not sure whom it favors. i don't think you could make a blanket statement on that. i think as a general matter, republicans given the demographic hill they've got to climb are 10-1 to limit the
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opportunities in the variety of ways to vote and times to vote and so forth. they're going to cut back on early voting as they tried to do. cut back on other aspects of it because for the republicans, they've got to get their people out and they're, i think, frankly, thrown a lot of obarriers if they can get away with it at expanding the ease at which people can vote. >> i have to say torpor is such a great word and never get to use it in a sentence. howard fineman. up next, judgment day is coming for ray rice. will college football's most troubled player be embraced by the nfl? we'll discuss that and more with the great ant drew bradrew bran what she says it is really about. why do i cook? because i make the best chicken noodle soup >>because i make the best chicken noodle soup because i make the best chicken noodle soup
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tonight and dynasty versus destiny. the upstarts even though they are undefeated in this year's playoffs. but the san francisco giants, winners of two of the last four world series stand in their way. the only controversy coming aout of this matchup refusing to play new zealand singer "royals" while the competition is being played. off the field legal stumbles that has been dominating sports news. oscar pistorius was sentenced to five years in prison for killing his girlfriend. but legal experts predict he will most likely serve less than one year and suspended nfl runningback ray rice could be back on the sidelines this season if an arberator in his appeals case rules in his favor. judge barber jones set the hearings for the fifth and sixth and could rule as early as today. at the high school level, the football team have been suspended and may be fired
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following the arrest of seven players for hazing. the school board meets on that tonight. with more on the states of sports in america, espn sports business analyst andrew brant joins us. thank you for being with us. the hearings are now set for ray rice november 5th and 6th. give us a sense of how all of this will affect his ability to do his job. >> well, as you know, he's been suspended indefinitely and that was added on to a two-game suspension that he ehad and what ray rice's side wants to know and maybe america wants to know. what did the nfl see differently in the video that everyone saw released by tmz that compared to what roger goodell knew and what the nfl knew when he handed down a two-game suspension. that testimony is likely to come out. whether it comes from roger goodell or not, we'll see. this is the hearing for ray rice to get his trade back. so, he can sign with a team. now, of course, this also assumes that a team wants to sign him, which may be toxic for
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the short term. but for the long term, it's trying to get rid of the indefinitely suspension, which as it sounds, is very broad and very strong. >> andrew, you're a sports business guy. what do you think the nfl is concerned about. the fallout from ray rice or are they more worried about longer term trends in terms of players, concussions and suburban moms saying this sport is too violent to let my son play in. >> image is everything. roger goodell said his job involves around one word, that's integrity. that's at stake when we talk about ray rice and what happened there. you bring up the other key issue. obviously, concussions that is forefront to all these issues. i think in roger goodell's defense in the current state of the nfl, they are doing a lot more than was done in the past. they have stepped up enforcement and we have independent neurologists and independent trainers looking out for this type of thing. the nfl may be at the forefront,
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especially when you talk about other sports or what we saw this summer with fifa and the world cup final. they seem it be more advance than other sports in protocol right now. >> as you said before, alex smith is the name that players will talk about. he was a star for the 49ers and sat out a moment for concussions and ended up playing for another team when someone else took his job. let's talk about college football. the troubled fsu quarlterback. in the preseason, the big espn college football guy had him as the number one prospect and he's had problem after problem after problem. now he's 15th on mel kiper's draft board. when we come to the draft. with the green bay packers for many years. when we come to the draft, will teams in need of a quarterback. the bottom half of the league. will they try. they want to take this guy and will there be people saying, geez, he's a character guy. will he be able to stay on the field with all his off the field
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stuff? >> yeah, that's the big issue. i talk about every player has a talent character equation. whether the talent outweighs character concerns and whether character concerns are enough to justify whatever talent or lack there of he has. this is the guy from january on and what i suspect he will come out, he will not return to florida state for next year because he will be a top pick. he will be the guy. he will be under the microscope from all teams and you have to understand once the season end, you have all-star games and the combine and prodays and you have visits. so, he'll be asked whatever questions you have. he'll be asked not tens, not hundreds but thousands of times and i've been in those rooms. what i try to get past is the can, the script, the rehearsed answers. he is going to talk about he learned and he loves his mother and his coach and his friend and he loves his team. you have to get past that. you have to see what the weaknesses are. i think is a real weakness with him now with trust. can you trust him to lead your
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franchise? can you trust him to read defenses? can you trust him to be their dependable, reliable, to be a rock for your team? obviously, we can chalk some of it up to imaturity. but teams will look with a hard edge. the last thing i'll say with all these players, people say you need all the teams to like you, you don't need 32 emteams to like you, you need one. probably be that one in the top of the first round. >> down to college and even high school, people talk about the culture, not as an excuse for the behavior, but as part of the dynamics of the lack of accountability or the notion that being really good on the field exempts you from the rules and the laws that govern us. you look at sayerville, a story that people around the country are disgusted by. you look at what some are calling hazing. amounts to criminal sexual conduct of a very tragic nature
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for these kids in a group setting. seven students arrested there. they'll get their day in court, of course. but when you look at those kind of allegations happening with adult supervision nearby, what do you make of that and what does it take to change some of the culture even starting at the youth level? >> we got these two issues you're talking about. violent behavior and concussions. you have to change the culture. first on concussions as toure mentioned players sitting out and they lose their job. players think i have to play through. we have to change that mentality of playing through to appear tough to appear macho. the bigger issue is, of course, violent acts and vilnolent behavior. how do you get past that. what the nfl is doing with all the consultants and programs they will institute education. they have to start that way and start at the lower levels like high school that we just talk about. >> absolutely. thank you, we appreciate it. still ahead, the staro affa cia veteran who loves his
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development of computers and the internet and as much about the process as it is about the people. collaborative creativity is actually more important in understanding how today's technology revolution was fashioned. it's an honor to have walter isa isaacson at the table. thank you so much for being here, walter. when you talk about collaboration that created this digital revolution, you're talking about two different kinds. partly we'll call it sort of horizontal. folks in a garage or in an office building something together. we know about those pairings and google and apple and other places. a vertical collaboration where geniuses from one generation are able to stand on the shoulders and create new invasions. >> we'll think of a revolution, but, in fact, a progress for the past 100 years in creating the digital age that we have now. those of us who are biographers we know we distort history just a little bit. we make it sound like there is
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some guy or gal in the garage and they have a light bulb moment and bingo. invasion happens. when i asked steve jobs, you know, what was a product that you were most excited about having come up with, he said, you know, coming up with a product like the ipad or iphone is hard. but what is really hard is putting together a team that will continue, as you just said in your introduction, to make a good company and make good products. and he said i'm most proud of creating the team that was apple. and that sort of put a light bulb in my head, which is, instead of writing about lone geniuses, we should write about the fact that creativity is a team sport. >> this book "the inoivators" you were telling us before, 15 years to write. >> off and on. i was a real geek as a kid. i loved building hand radios and kits and when i ran digital media for "time" incorporated i got to meet all these people like gordon moore and andy grove and also steve jobs, bill gates. >> i'm sure that had a huge impact on what the book ended up
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being in the end. >> i was gathering all this string and i should do one of my bosses asked me who owns the internet. i said, that's a clueless question. >> not al gore. >> he said who invented it. we did the al gore jokes and i thought, gee, i don't actually know how this internet came to be. so, you know, i met with all the people who were graduate students and putting together the internet and then bill gates, when i interviewed him said, no, it is the intersection and the internet and the personal computer. that's the combination that was combustib combustible. like in the industrial revolution, it is the steam engine and the mechanical processors. >> one of the pioneers in terms of computing is a woman that you talk about in the book back in the 1840s. silicoicon valley is male domind and numbers from apple 80% of their tech employees are male. are we missing out on innovation by not having half of the population fully participating in these tech advances?
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>> of course. when you say half the population, you don't give them role models. you make them not really feel welcome. you're really losing out. the odd thing that i discovered in doing this book is not only were the programmers, the pioneers of programming women not just the love life but the six women all of whom had p'd ph.d.s in math, grace harper and then help create cobal, in the 1930s more women got ph.d.s in math and likewise more women in 1980 majored in computer science than did last year. it's going the wrong way. so, i don't know how to solve that problem, but at least i can take the people who have been written out of history, the great women pioneers and make sure they get their place in the sun. >> hey, walter, ari here in l.a., i want to ask you, you talk about collaboration between individuals, but another theme in the book is sort of the coordination between public support for research in
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government and military that ultimately benefited our internet ecosystem and that working along with, obviously, the private investment that helps people with good but maybe crazy sounding ideas get to go out there and try to make money for their investors. talk to us a little bit about that dynamic because we often hear more about the wall street money side than the early government side. >> yeah, or the sand hill road of venture capital side. in which particularly interesting, ari, exactly what you said. the collaboration between government universities and private industry. to me, that was something to me during the eisenhower years all the way through helped build the internet and helped build the microchip. their personal computer and all the things we have. and now as your previous guests were talking about when it comes to health care technology. when you disinvest in things like genetic engineering and viruses or in information
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technology, you're going to end up destroying the seed corn for future inventions. i really look at the people who work together in government and private industry. >> five seconds, do you know who you're going to write about next isn't. >> i'm looking at leonardo divinchy. >> thank you so much. we look forward to it. one area where technology is having a huge impact is war. so guys -- it's just you and your honey. the setting is perfect. you know what? plenty of guys have this issue, not just getting an erection, but keeping it. well, viagra helps guys with ed get and keep an erection. and you only take it when you need it. good to know, right? if ed is stopping what you started... ask you doctor about viagra. [ male announcer ] ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain;
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all right. picture this. wealthy nations around the globe fight each other near the middle east over scarce natural resources. chaos ensues. al qaeda fills the gap and causes death and mayhem. specializing in drone fairs and then hired to help fix the mess. does that sound like fact or fiction? maybe it's a little bit of both. the new book "blue warier" the latest installment in mike madden's military techno thriller fiction series on drone war fare and author mike madden joins us now. did we -- this is the second in this series. what inspired you to take on drones, in particular here? >> a lot of us when we were watching the war on terror unfold and we heard about this term called drones. predators and reapers and what not and what you find out, drones, in fact, are revolution in military affairs. they're changing the way that
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they fight wars. that, alone, was fascinating to me. how drones were actually changing us, as well. >> talk about that. how are drones changing war fare and how are they changing us? >> they're changing war fare because they're making war fare remote and taking humans out of the danger of combat, which on the face of it is really good news. putting pilots in danger and possibly in a prison camp or worse and pine box when we don't want that. on the other hand, though, it also makes war more likely. drones give the impression that war is cheap and easy and anything but. yeah. and the other thing with drones in terms of changing us, i was thinking of georgetown law professor rosa brooks recently testified before congress. fascinating. sort of cribbing what she said, which is exactly right. what drones enable, for example, the president to do is kill anyone anywhere, any time for secret reasons in a secret
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process undertaken by unknown persons. that's not the america most of us grew up in. >> yeah, the big debate we've all been having and will continue to have is the big debate we will continue to have is privacy versus security. in reality you can't have it both ways. so what ultimately is most important to us? >> that's the question right now, isn't it. in some ways the privacy versus security issue is a fascinating one and i raise it in my books. one of the sub plots is all about the invasive and pervasive technologies we've heard about. it is fascinating because the debate is really about trust or lack there of in the government. on the one hand we've asked the government, rightly, to defend us, the first function of government is security. after 9/11 what we have asked
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them to do is to solve terror crimes before they happen, mission impossible, and prevent them before they happen. how do you prevent a crime from happening before it has happened? it's a mission impossible. that is minority report and all that stuff. >> yeah. >> the answer is time, information awareness. spy on everyone everywhere, 24/7. so americans saying i don't want to lose my privacy for exchange for my security. it's not like we value privacy. every time we go on twitter or facebook, we're throwing our privacy away in great big gobs. >> we want it all, total privacy and total security. it's just not a possibility. what about outside spying and war making. how are drones going to impact our economy. we have seen amazon testing
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drone delivery. will they impact the way we do business in the u.s.? >> i will say they will have a much more disruptive impact in commercial affairs than on the military side. a oxford report in 2013 suggested as many as 40% of all jobs will be given up in next 22 years. fox tron pledges to bring on a million robot workforce. if is really great that drones are taking away the nasty repettive jobs most hume aprhum want. >> have to figure out what is next for those folk who's jobs are displaced. thank you so much. >> thank you.
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caused conservatives to lose their mind. latest cover story all about her shopping habits, her waist line, her childhood, her money, the time in college from which lena was raped, shocker only had sympathy for the man who raped her. the portrait reveals little about lena. they are terrified of lena
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dunham they go on and on about the evils of growing up wealthy. i guess money is only good if you screw other people out of their money. she had a pro-obama ad she scares conservative men so much. society develops a number of mechanisms keeping women in their place, one of the most powerful is shame. that keeps monica lewinski wanting to die for 20 years. shame is what led a teenage amanda todd to kill herself after being bullied for posting a topless photo online. there's no end to the list of things women are supposed to be ashamed of. ashamed of being perceived unattractive, a slut or sex
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object, shame of having non-marital sex, shame for not being a virgin, shame for being a virgin, but lena dunham has no shame, that is exactly what drives like-minded folks absolutely crazy. she talks about her sexuality. she coddles herself openly to make a sort of peace. they have no power when yielded to silence. frighten for the status quo. what if women didn't respond to shaming whax would society come to. how would men maintain control. here's the thing lena dunham refusal to feel the shame
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society skbeexpects her to feel powerful. while the patriarch may be alive now, blaming the rape victim having their intended effects, the more we see lena the more we ask why am i carrying all this guilt and crap around with me all the time. why do i have to live by the unspoken rules of female decorum. why allow shame be used as a weapon against me. for those interested in maintaining the status quo that is a very scary thought indeed. that does it for the cycle. "now" starts now nk. a moment of reckoning in missouri or simply anger management. >> a cry for justice. today i'm announcing a creation
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of the ferguson commission. >> unveiling a new effort to address issues raised in ferguson. >> this is a defining moment that will determine whether this place will be known as a region marked by racial division and unrest or a region that can pull together and rise above and heal. >> there is no accountability that was brought up. >> our streets cannot be battle fields. >> talk about change. that is glaringly missing from this. >> we need to solve these problems ourselves and we need to solve them together. >> if people don't get structural change it will do little. >> what will we do in this moment while the whole world is watching. following more than two months of outcry over the police shooting of michael brown, today


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