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feel elected to represent us are too rev moved from the everyday results, it did you want work out. >> thank you. that is "all in" for this evening. kwt the rachel maddow show kwtsd starts right now. >> thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour. this is one of those big news nights where all the news has been breaking late in the day, all tonight with just the last couple of hours. in just the last hour, we have learned that long-time washington post editor ben bradly has died. that legendary editor helped to that paper into the world renowned power house that it is today. he guided the paper, famously, as it broke the news on water gate. he helped redefine what it meant to be a journalist in america. we'll have much more ahead on ben bradly and his work. but we begin tonight with current politics. and with bribery allegations. the guy on the left side of your screen is the republican nominee
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for governor in the common wealth of mae ma. his name is charlie baker. the guy on the right side of your screen is the guy who wanted to be the republican nominee for governor in the commonwealth of massachusetts. his name is mark fisher mplt and e and he was the tea party candidate, essentially, in the republican primary. he ran gerns charlie baker in that primary. and honestly, the first time any of these guys got any national media attention at all is when the two appeared in dualing bribery allegations. they really wanted charlie baker to be their guy. and they did not want him to have to deal with a e a challenger iy2k=tea party challenge. running in a republican primary means running to the right. the last thing republicans wanted was how their candidate had to run to the white in a primary that everybody could see. so the republican party in e mae
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ma, they try to keep that tea party challenger off the primary ballot. mark fisher, the tea party guy, was having none of it. he e venn shlly sued in order to get himself on the primary ball lot and challenge charlie baker for the nomination's governor. that is where the state's bribery allegations started to come in. first, the massachusetts republican party alleged that the tea party guy, fisher, had told them that he would drop his argmented if the massachusetts party agreed to give him $1 million. two dayings later, he said the state offered him a million dollars to drop his laut. to stop trying to get on the ballot and just to go away. >> last december, the mass
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g.o.p. came to me and offered me $1 million to drop out of the race for governor. my first reaction was this is a bribe. this is illegal. this can't be done. and my second reaction was they have no clue why i'm running. there's no amount of money that could get me out of this race. >> so what happened is the tea party guy did stay on the ballot and lost to charlie baker by 50 points. nobody understood why anybody in massachusetts worked themselves into this bribery pretzel around that guy. that one ended beardly, but at least it did end. there's another set of fitting allegations around charlie baker and they have not ended. there is some news on this
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yesterday and today. the guy on the left is still charlie baker. this involves chris christie, the governor of new jersey. the gist of the allegations in this scandal is a few years back, charlie baker made a personal, $10,000 donation to the new jersey party. thereafter, the state of new jersey turned around and made its investmented fund make a $15 million investment at a firm where charlie worked. it's yet to be seen if massachusetts is going to investigate. the personal money and then the big stake of investment. on the new jersey side, they are investigating. new jersey, of all places, they have strict rules when it comes to campaign donations and not paying out state funds in exchange for those donations.
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so, in new jersey, the state treasurer's office announced that they would investigate the charlie baker campaign. they have to investigate. if state of new jersey has announced that they will not make public the results of that investigation until, hmm, check e check your watch, late november at the earliest. definitely after the election. so charlie baker has had his share of trouble. everyone his businessman pedigree has turned out to work against him. it turns out what kind of businessman you are when you're running for office on the basis
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of your business career. like, say if you wore a tuxedo to 5:00 september your out sourcing kplensz award from something called the out sourcing center. that outfit may not be popular because you won awards for shipping american jobs to other countries. so charlie baker has not been a kbraet e great candidate iert in tirms of his resume or strategically when it comes to other republicans who are running against him and around this issue about the donation and the chris christie campaign. he's not performed all that well when he's had a microknown stuck in his face when he said this to a female reporter that was supposed to be all about how charlie baker is the right candidate for massachusetts women. >> democrats are saying -- they just put it out a couple mip its ago. >> okay, is e this is going to be the last one, sweetheart.
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>> sweetheart? >> i'm kidding. can't you take a joke, babe? pat, pat, pat. that was at a women for challie event. the race has been unexpectedly false nating this year. not just because they offered him a million debacle. it has been false nating to watch because for challie baker to win as a republican in blue, blue, blue state of massachusetts, he would have to win a spectacular campaign. baker would have to win every single conservative vote, a ton of cross over voters, he would basically have to run a flawless campaign in order to be in contention as a republican in such a blue place. or not. that's one way to success. the other way to success is you could get lucky in your o poentd. this is what the polls have looked like over time in that massachusetts race. look at that. o voert your eyes, massachusetts
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liberals. baker's democratic o opponent is martha coakley. she made a decision to decline to participate in a debate scheduled for thursday this week. she wouldn't tell anybody why. she just said she had a scheduling conflict. the result of that decision, though, would have been that charlie baker would get the stage to himself at that event for an entire hour. basically, to put on the uncontested baker show for an hour. that's how she left it for several days until she reversed her decision. she will appear at that weltz tern massachusetts debate at wwlp, channel 22, western mass on thurz of this week. that's in addition to the debate
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the two candidates had tonight. it's going to feature both of the candidates. so giving your opponent an uncontested solo show, lest you think that is unique to massachusetts democratic strategy, no, no, it also happened tonight, just a couple of hours ago, during a debate in a race for the senate seat that is virtually tied in a different state. watch. >> you're watching capital tonight. tom warner cable invited speaker willis and cay hagan to participate. he did not meet poll criteria. senator hagan declined our invitation to appear. >> see the empty chair there? the moderator explained that his
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answered wouldn't be timed because nobody else needs to talk because the democratic incumbent senator, cay hagan, would not be attending that debate.t so for you, voters, we present this hour-long conversation with just the republican candidate on tv for an hour uncontested so we can tell you what he thinks without any time constraints and without anybody really erupting. two weeks before election day? did i mention this race is basically tied? i did mention that. of course, none of this candidate debate when rick scott refused to take the stage for a long time at the start of the debate because his opponent had a fan inside his podium. after seven min under the circumstances, governor scott decided skipping the whole debate was not worth the fan.
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those two candidates met again tonight in jacksonville, florida. aparentally, the fan only came up obliquely, almost sort of passively aggressively when one of the moderators asked, "everybody comfortable?" before the debate started. political debates are supposed to be newsworthy only if something newsworthy happens at the debate. the fact of the debate itself is not supposed to be the thing that makes news. be that's what's been happening at this election. and it's been, at times, hilarious and frus rating and amazing to watch. speaking of amazing, there was one more debate tonight just within the last hour, in the great state of new hatch shir. that is the all-amazing republican scott brown running against gene shahine, presented by nbc news's chuck todd tonight.
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scott brown, you may remember, got to be in the united states senate in the first place in the state of massachusetts when he beat mar thae cokley for that seet in 2010. there after, he lost that same seet to elizabeth warren in 2012. he's, right now, losing in the senate race in new hampshire to gene shahine. if scott brown does lose to sna xx gene shahine, he would become a historical figure in feminist history. if he loses tonight, i believe scott brown would become the first person in the history of the united states and thereby history of the world, to have lost aist senate race to two different women. perhaps that could be something of a silver lining. joining us now from concord, new
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hampshire, where he's just fin i believed the debate is nbc political news moderator, "meet the press" chuck todd, thanks for being here. >> happy to do it. rachel, i love the fact that you're talking about candidates that skip debates. doesn't matter if you don't like it. just show up and debate. don't start worrying about sponsors and all of this stuff. i don't get the strategy, either. >> i've got to say, i've seen candidates make strange decisions and very contentious decisions about whether to be in debates. the rnc made it a big, institutional issue, how many primary debates there would be in the president contest or whatever. but one thing i vbt e haven't seen before is candidates not attending a debate even though it means the opponent will get the whole stage to themselves for an hour. is this just turning up the heat? >> i think it is the media turning up the heat a little bit. think about this.
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you have more and more local and regional all-news stations. so they feel more than comfortable being able to offer up the time. it's, like, okay, if they don't come, we'll do it empty-chair style. it's a way of calling a bluff and seeing if they'll show. and, as you see,some of these guys are calling the media's bluff thinking that they won't do it. but it's news programming. so, you know, i think before, they thought, well, an affiliate of a broadcast network isn't going to do that. they're not going to risk preempting wheel of fortune or pree..ing the prime time line-up. there new hamp e hamp shir tonight, i'm not sure how much the carpet allegation plays in new hampshire. i know there's a lot of people there who are from other places. he's an atypical challenger. jean shahine is a pretty strong contender. what was the dynamic like between them tonight?
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>> well, i thought it was interesting, they both honestly seemed a little nervous at the beginning. race is not in our fist five of the most competitive, kbu it is moving up fast. look at the history where whichever way the wind is blowing, it seems to gugs in new hampshire. so if it's a good year for one party nationally, i seems to be a great party for new hampshire. and we've seen that affected. you can just sort of see the tenttiveness at the beginning. what was interesting as they really got into it, over energy. it certainly wasn't over abortion or carpet bagging. it wupt even over health care. system of that stuff has been -- energy seemed to be the newer
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issue that they both were fighting over back and forth, having to do with whofgs for nuclear. i can tell you, i didn't expect it. all right. i'm going to let them go back and forth and they were basically saying no, you got my record wrong, you got my record wrong. >> chuck, i also just -- because i have you. not just with nbc news, but also, "meet the press" an qrjc6 american political institution, i just have to ask that ben bradly, the legendary editor has died. i just wanted to know if you had any reaction to share with us on that? >> other than, i think, you know, ben bradly is sort of america's newspaper editor. it's jason robort, who played the character in "all the president's men."
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he is a reel miepder that as good of a job reporters do, an editor, or in our case, a producer, an executive produgser that we work with, or a news president, day have to make that tougher call sometimes. do they trust their reporter? how well do they trust their sources? ben bradsly had to go out on a limb. there are a lot of newspaper editors that would nots do that. at the time, think about that time period, then, the washington post going after a sitting president. that's what it was perceived to be. it is a unique -- now, it seems like something -- well, of course he went after. and everything that we know, it was a tough call for a newspaper. the pressures you would get. the editor for newspapers all around, they're the ones that end up making the call, giving the news to researchers on air.
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he's been just an incredible editor. >> chuck todd, thank you so much for being here on this busy night. >> yeah, rachel. sfwh what chuck said there is exactly right. the thing that inflected. the way that ben bradly's decisions infleblgted journalistic history. he set a new standard for how you want history to look at you when it came to institutional decisions about how brave to be and how much you wanted to trust your sources and your reporters so you could make that decision to go even when it took a lot of bravery to do it. he changed the benchmark in terms of what it was you ought to strive to be proud of in your work, in journalism. it's a big, big deal in his
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as you will mention ds at the top of the show, tonight, we can report that one of the titans of american journalism, ben bradly, has died tonight at the age of 93. for an sfwier generation that did not grow up during the
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waterergate era, sharing the screen with dustin hoffman and rob ert redford. >> how much can you tell me about deep throat? >> how much do you need to know? >> do you trust him. yeah. >> i can't do the report reporting for my reporters, which means i can't trust them. and i hate trusting anybody. run that baby. it was a scene from "all the president's men." the story about the story.
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washington post's relerntless and fearless reporting on water gate, reporting that ultimately ended the president sill of richard nixon. the character in the tux was legendary washington post executive, ben bradly, although the film is about post reporters woodward and bernstein, it is the exacting standards of their boss that pushes them to dig further, dig deeper and get more confirmation until they can definitively, unassailablely connect those brutal kots between the waterergate burglarers and the white house itself. ben bradly held the washington poegs stop spot for 23 years. within the first few years, ben bradly and his paper became synonymous with two huge world-changing stories. but before that, the pentagon papers. revealing the breath and scope of the u.s. war in veet nap. soon after the times published
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its first story on the documents, ben bradly's paper had its own copy. when the justice department succeeded in getting a restraining order that squelched, ben bradly and his publisher fought that all the way to the supreme court and they won. during his time at the washington post, ben was known to be suspicious of all government spin. here's how he described a fight with washington. bereavings where reporters can use the information that's given to them from officials, but they can't name the officials giving
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the information. watch. >> we did that for a while and then the people started wining. couldn't get all of those nuances of what they really love. of course, the secretary of state couldn't load you up with exactly the right one. so we started not getting called and the new york times started, you know, beating us over the shoulders with stories. so reporters came and begged us. >> it didn't work. i tried to get the new york times to come along. the new york times and the post got together on it. we could bust it now. >> we could bust it now. >> ben bradly retired from the washington post in 19ded 1, but he did stay active as a vice president at large for the paper. this is today's edition of the washington post.
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you can see ben bradly's paper appears in that role. his short mind and his memory suffered from also hyper's disease. but as recently as november 2013, he was honored at the white house with a presidential medal of freedom. president obama releasing a statement honoring ben bradly and talking about the decision to award him that president shl medal of freedom. but, again, the breaking news tonight, the washington post confirms that ben bradlee has passed away at the age of 93 at his home in washington. he's survived by his wife of 36 years. joining me now is my friend, gene robinson and editor for the washington post. i should say that eugene has been at the washington post for 34 year and knew ben bradlee longer than that. >> it's great to be here, rachel. where else could i be on this night night?
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>> ben was the great american newspaper editor certainly of his time, i believe of our time. if report you've said a few words that define beb's place in history. almost as an aside, he revolutionized the way newspaper reporters can write their stories in this country. in 1969, it was for and about women. that was revolutionary. nobody had done that before. changed the way newspapers are written in this country: and that's just a footnote to this
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amazing career and his amazing life. he was not just a newspaper editor, he was a glaet man. he, i guess one of his few 65s,[ mistakes was hiring me at the washington post in 1980 to cover marionbarry. i could tell personal stories all evening, including the embarrassing job interview lunch i had when he waited until i had had a mouth full of a really, really dry roast beef sandwich to lean over and say kid, city hall is a tough job. leader. i've never -- i've certainly never worked for anybody like him. and i've never really met anybody like him. and i've worked for some really good people. but it's no exaggeration to say
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those of us who worked with ben or hired by ben, would walk through fire for ben. he was that amazing of a person. >> one of the things chuck todd said earlier and i was sort of reflecting on without much eloquence, was the idea that beb bradlee's legacy wasn't just about his skill as an editor. it was sort of that he sent the benchmark for bravery. not just about being brave in a foolhardy way, but by earning it. by knowing your reporters enough. by being involved enough to know what they're doing and about the penal they're reporting onto know whether or not to make decisions, not just as gut decisions, but as well-informed, brave decisions from a position of strength. that's how i've always viewed his legacy. is that fair from having worked with him? >> i think that's fair, but i don't think that's the way he would have described it. i think he would have said it was doing his job. and doimpk it well. and he knew he did his job well. people always talked about his
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instincts. he had a story that almost appeared around corners. but it wasn't just instinct. it was intelligent. it was a rigger to the way he approached -- he approached reporters and stories and news and where's the next story. that people don't really talk about but we all should appreciate. -he was a really, really smartman who did his job and wanted to be the best and follow the story where it led. and if it led to the taking down of the sitting president, which was not an easy thing for ben bradlee. this was a man who fought in world war ii, who was deeply, deeply patriotic. so that had to tear him up.
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>> long time washington post columnist and reporter, thank you for your time tonight. i know this isn't the easiest thing to talk about. but i'm glad you're here, gene. thanks a lot. >> it's a great life to celebrate. he said he never had a bad day and i believe him. >> again, breaking news tonight confirmed by the washington post, legendary ben brad dm lee has died at the age of 93. plrt. much more ahead. stay with us.
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this is the u.s.s. george h.w. bush. when it deploys, it goes with a carrier strike group that includes a carrier air wing, a destroyer squadron, a guided missile cruiser and two guided missile destroyers. the george h.w. carrier group is on its way home right now after a four-month deployment to the persian gulf, which included that aircraft carrier being the main aircraft carrier launching pad for the new u.s. air war iraq and syria. it's on its way home to norfolk, virginia. that carrier group will be replaced at sea by the u.s.s. carl vincent, based on the west coast. it's based in san diego, california. it has already headed out with his e its carrier air wing, destroyer squadron, a guided
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missile cruiser. so the u.s.s. carl vincent and its compliment of supporting vessels kwh essentially become the off-shore airport supporting this u.s. air war in iraq and syria. there isn't very much coverage in the u.s. media about what is happening in that war. but we do get these daily u.s. press releases from the military about what's going on. this sunday, for example, they announced quietly and without much fanfare that the military is doing something new in the war. they are delivering weapons, ammunition and medical supplies to kurdish fighters in syria. so in addition to bombing stuff, we're dropping medical supplies. and then on monday, there was a slightly little alarming follow up. one of things they bombed on monday -- so they did the drop of weapons on sunday. one of the things they bombed on monday was one of the weapons
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shipments that they had dropped the day before. aapartmently, it did not go where it was intended to go. so sunday they dropped it. monday, they said they had to go back and blow it up because it landed in the wrong place. today, though, the isis terrorist group released this video. >> in all wars, there are uncontrollable factors, like wind. and this time, it seemed to blow in isis' favor. an american-delivered bundle intended to help fight isis apparently landed in the hands of the militants. old grenades, some r.p.g.s, newer grenades. isis called them spoils of war in this propaganda video. but they're unlikely to change the course. the u.s. military says it's trying to verify the video and acknowledges that one of the dozens of bundles it dropped this weekend did go off course but was later destroyed by an air strike. in this area of remoet
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controlled, some mishaps are inevitable. the alternatives are doing nothing or sending in ground troops. gh the fact is, isis is already well-armed with weapons and equipment stolen from the iraqi army. most of it american-made. >> nbc's richle engle reporting from turkey on that new isis video which reportedly shows them air drops of weapons. it's propaganda video. you can never verify what they are saying. but that's what they are claiming has happened here. some of nose weapons they dropped to fight them, they, instead, clkted themselves. it's kind of amazing that we are two weeks awant from a national election in this country and the fact that we are waging a brand new and really controversial war is not factoring into the plit equal debate at home right now at all.
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but to american sit zeps and the risk to u.s. military personnel who are participating in that war, there are three pretty important strategic things that just happened that may be worth knowing about beyond that question of whether or not a stray air drop of weapons accidently went to the enemy. there are three things that have happened strategically just in the last 48 hours or so that may be worth knowing about. first one is that isis is aparticipantly still having not much trouble recruiting from across the globe. we're learning today that three, young american women, three american female teenagers were stopped in an airport in germany while reportedly on their way to join isis in syria. they were stopped in germany and returned to their families in denver, colorado by the f.b.i. we are now told they are being closely watched. to the extent that isis's success is being able to attract worldwide recruits, even from this country. that's one development.
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number two, in terms of what isis is capable of, there have been reports within the past week that isis fighters might be flying fighter jets, russian fighter jets that they have taken from syrian military installations. the u.s. pentagon now, is, for lack of a better term, shooting down those reports. they're saying that they have no information. that isis are flying them. the pentagon also may be making some other news. listen. >> we don't have any indication that them the capability to fly them. and we don't have any indications of any antiair capability at all right now.
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>> pentagon spokesman saying, not only, as far as they know, is isis got flying any fighter jets. the pentagon also doesn't think they have any antiair-craft capability. we don't have any indications they have any air defense or antiair capability at all right now. kind of threw that in as an aside. but that's really important. and that's new. as recently as a few weeks ago, over and over again, we saw in the sent com releases about the air strikes that the u.s. was waging in iraq and syria, right, that they were targeting isis's e' antiair kraft weapons. yeah, they've got a lot of different weapons and that's what they're trying to blow up. but the idea is that they have an anti-aircraft capacity. that is particularly worrying about those who are concerned about the safety of u.s. air personnel who are flying in iraq and syria. it's a very basic worry when you're waging an air war, right? could our pilots be shot down? we reached out to the pentagon tonight with this question, just
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confirming that they're making this claim now, that they don't have anti-aircraft capacity that they're bombing their weapons. a u.s. official told us tonight that the pentagon does not believe that isis has anti-air craft capability right now. so maybe thoerp worth something. if the pentagon believes that u.s. personnel cannot be shot down by isis, that is an important statement to the american public. about how much risk they're in. that he're seemingly taking iraq at will. in the absence of a political debate at war in this country, it's sometimes hard to know how the war is going.
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we don't have any indications that they have anti-air capability. it's really nice to see you. i know it's very early over
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there right now. thanks for staying up with us. >> my pleasure, rachel. >> so we've been reading for weeks about u.s. air strikes tar getting isis' anti-aircraft weapons. so how do you read the pent gone statement now that isis doesn't have anti-aircraft capability at all? >> well,i would look at it with the united states -- obviously, the united states has an ability to assess what's happening on the ground. i think for all of us who have been watching this conflict, that doesn't necessarily surprise us as much. i don't think that it has acquired some of these weapons from these bases that it has taken control over, demonstrated
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that kind of fire power. we haven't seen it up here in any of their attacks on the syrian regime. i think there was concern that they may have overtaken air bases that had air capacities, meaning like fighter jets or helicopters. i think the initial part was certainly one that that was more important, that they are not flying these fighter jets as has been reported by syrian opposition groups. >> isis has released footage that they are in possession of some american weapons that u.s. planes had dropped in the region, meant for kurdish fighters who were fighting against isis. oval shrill, it's a propaganda coup for them. but is it strategically important for them, do we know? >> it is strategically important for another important reason that came out of the u.s. state department yesterday.
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december piet the fact that u.s. was targeting isis and did send weapons to kurdish fighters, they say may still control chobani by all of this. i think that we are seeing on the ground a very fluid situation that is not on one side or the other. and certainly going to be very quantitative. still unable to deter isis from fighting. isis is fighting two fronts. on the oirt skirts of baghdad and choboni. they're a very resilient group so far. >> and the show of force is sobering. it's the sort of thing we'd have a great debate about if we debated these things in this country. iman, again, thank you for staying up so late for us. i really appreciate. >> thanks. we've got much more ahead.
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mark, 16 papers. voting in favor of both answers, 691 papers. >> voting in favor of both answers, 7. >> in favor of both answers, 2. >> 17 for voting for both answers. >> want to be independent? yes. also no. both? that same phenomenon is now happening in the great state of washington. two weeks from tonight, washington state voters will asked to say yes or no on two closely related ballot measures on the issue of guns. one ballot measure would require back ground checks on everybody buying a gun in the state. the other one would ban that. the other one would ban the state from implementing any background checks except the ones mandated by federal law. so you see the problem here. two ballot measures that look a lot like each other, but they
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have the exact opposite effect. here's the amazing thing. when asked how they will vote on these two things, one of which who says let's do a thing and the other one who says we should never, ever do that thing, more than 1 in 5 washington state voters say yes to both. 22% of washington voters right now are down with both banning back ground checks and mandating background checks. both. now that's kbags for both side of the argue. in a way that makes no sense at all. but here is the best new thing in the world. that 22% of voters who said they would vote yes on both, that number is dropping. it's 22% now. in july it was 30%. before that in april, it was 40%. so the trend is good in terms of the triumph of of math. regardless of how you feel about either of these measures we are, i'm pretty sure, watching the washington state elkt rat get smarter week by week by week. they're now 50% smarter than they were just six weeks ago
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when first asked this basic logic question. basic logic and progress, taking hold in america. best new thing in the world. that does it for us to night. first look is up next. good morning, everybody. right now on "first look," an american teenage girls trying to join isis? ben bradley the man behind the nixon papers if watergate has died. the world greatest stock picker warren buffet lost two days. and eight inches of rain if four hours inundates parts of florida while a nor'easter heads for new england. one of america's greatest isis fears realized. the fbi is watching

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