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whether an election is happening or not, gun violence is happening. >> jane, cheryl, dave, thank you for your time tonight on our korchl here. that is "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed, and thanks to you for tuning in. we start tonight with breaking news, that horrific shooting at marysville pill chuck high school near seattle, washington. two people are confirmed dead. one was the shooter, a student. the other a female victim. law enforcement sources tell nbc news that the shooter has been identified at jalen fryberg. witnesses say he was a freshman and a member of the school football team. he reportedly walked into the cafeteria with a .40 caliber beretta pistol and opened fire on other students before turning
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the gun on himself. >> he was quiet, he was sitting there, everyone was talking. all of a sudden i see him stand up, pulled something out of his pocket, and at first, i thought it was just someone making a really loud noise with a bag, like a loud pop. until i heard four more after that, and i saw three kids just fall from the table, like they were falling to the ground, dead. i jumped under the table as fast as i could. when it stopped, i looked back up and i saw he was trying to reload. it looked like his gun had jammed. and that's when i -- he started messing with it, and i ran out. i think his gun jammed and he got it back to working and he popped off a couple more shots after that. he had a blank stare. he was just calm during the whole thing. >> four other people were
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injured, three of them critically. for hours after the shooting, students were holed up inside the school, waiting for police to clear them from their classrooms. parents gathered at a nearby church waiting desperately for news. >> i'm just trying to figure out about the kids that are driving, because my sons drives. but we haven't been able to get a hold of him. >> how old is your son? what year? >> 16. >> he's a junior. >> has he contacted you at all? >> he's been texting that he was okay, but that's all i've heard. >> right now he says they're still hiding and that's it him. him and the other kids and teachers, hiding. >> how did you hear? >> he text me when that happened. he was looking for me. paranoid, scared. >> we haven't heard anything
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yet. i think everybody's calling and we just don't know. >> a terrible tragedy at the school. tonight our thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and all those young witnesses -- teenagers -- who saw this terrible act. let's go to alex rosia, reporter for king seattle. he's outside the harbor view medical center in seattle. alex, how many are at the medical center, and what's the latest on their condition? >> right now there are two at harbor view medical center, and then there are also two at providence. harbor view medical center is right in seattle. providence medical center in everett, washington, is about 30 miles to the north of us. if you see the chopper behind us, this landed minutes ago. originally there was one victim here. a 14-year-old boy with a jaw
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injury. and harbor view officials told us that they were not going to be taking any more patients as far as they knew, but then we just received words minutes ago that another person was on the way and they landed in this chopper, and they took him by ambulance from that chopper inside to the emergency room here at harbor view. four people were injured. two people dead. one of the dead, the shooter, jaylen fryburg, a freshman. a female was also killed in the shooting this morning and four others were injured. the 14-year-old boy who was injured with the jaw injury, he's here and now one other. we have not learned anything else about this. but in the last few hours, sources close to the situation have told us a little bit more about the shooter. he was an athlete, a good student, they said, and most recently, he was crowned homecoming prince for his freshman class at marysvil
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marysville-pilchuck high school. sources tell us it was an argument with another boy over a girl that led to this shooting, and a shooting that really shook the entire country. another school shooting with two people dead and four seriously injured. as we learn more, we'll let you know. but for now, back to you. >> alex, it's very confusing to a lot of people that here is a popular kid, well accepted, and not a loner, not fitting the profile of a lot of people that we've seen in these kind of situations in the past. is the fact that there's this alleged argument with another classmate, is this becoming the theme that they are trying to look into? >> very little has been released officially from law enforcement, al. but from what we've been able to
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gather from people close to this family, close to the friends of jaylen fryberg, the 14-year-old, it seems like it was one incident. they said this just isn't the kid that you would picture to go out and open fire in a cafeteria. perhaps they're pointing now to this one incident, this argument with another boy over this girl, that led to this shooting. but i'm sure more information will be coming out in the days and weeks to come. >> the other person dead is a girl. the other two injured, one girl and one boy. there's no significance yet from any official word on what that could mean. >> exactly, yeah. they have reiterated that their injuries are very serious. the one boy who was here originally at harbor view, had a jaw injury, shot in the jaw, but they mentioned he was going to survive. his injuries were not life-threatening. the others, we don't know about.
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one thing about the seattle area here, people with very, very serious injuries are typically transported to harbor view, that's why this scene was so concerning. they said they weren't expecting any more patients and now this chopper landed just a few minutes ago. early this morning, they originally said one person was dead. early this afternoon, they said two people are dead. this isn't a good sign, having the chopper land. a very critically injured person was just dropped off. we don't know their status, but hope to get that answered here in the next couple hours. >> all right, alex of k.i.n. g. tv, thanks for your time. >> jim cavanaugh, msnbc law enforcement analyst. let me go to you first, larry, an argument with another boy
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over a girl. what's your reaction? >> well, first of all, our hearts and prayers go out to the families and communities in marysville, washington today. there's a lot of questions that are still yet to be answered this that community and it just goes to show you how our young people are struggling in our schools across the country and we need to be doing more around mental health and more counselling for your young people. >> jim, what strikes you about the circumstances of the shooting? >> the reporter who outlined that the motive might be over a girl. i've been to high schools where there's been a killing over a girl. but the guy killed the other guy. and we're all familiar with domestic cases and i've been to murders where a spouse or a boyfriend, girlfriend kills another. but here you have multiple people shot, so there may be
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more to it than that. there's not one person killed. and of course the young man brought the firearm to school, that indicates there's a reason he brought the firearm to school. he pulls it out at the table and shoots at point blank range. and he shoots three, four people, i don't think we have the exact number. so there's more questions. where did he get the gun? how long was it simmering? was there a precipitating event? which a lot of times we find when we have these shootings, there's some event that precipitated it, that caused the person, or it could be a series of precipitating events, but we'll see. we just don't have all those answers yet. >> larry, from what you've heard, how do you think school officials and police handled this situation? >> well, from the national media that i was watching and listening, and the individuals i've talked to already, it was a
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great response. unfortunately they had to use a response. but many of the prot kols in place at school districts around the country, have been training on for years now, unfortunately have to be used. this is just another one of those tragedies that we wish we would not have had to experience. our kids are being desensitized to more and more violence. some appropriate protocols were taken. however, some lives were lost. for that reason, we still a lot of work to do. >> larry, how are officials trying to help students who may be traumatized by what they saw? >> you know, i think that school officials have to come to grips of the new normal. many of our kids, be it suburban, urban, rural, doesn't matter. our kids are suffering from
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post-traumatic stress syndrome. we have to increase the amount of mental health providers. just when we think we're out of the water, out of the woods, something else happens. so we are putting a lot of emphasis on response. what we need to do is get a lot of work around intervention and prevention, and early warning signs. and paying attention to the early warning signs, to help young people who may be struggling and who may bring violent tendencies back into the school. >> yeah. jim, you know, i must say, we've seen too many of these tragic incidents before. >> that's right, reverend, al. as a negotiator, you know, talking with people that are in crisis, and people that get suicidal, and you know, being involved in some of those over the years, i agree with larry. i think conflict resolution to people is important before it gets to the stage where you want to pick up the gun and go into the school and start shooting.
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you know, you have to realize that you can resolve these conflicts that you have with another people, and we all have them, and we're all going to have them. and it's like people think that they're the only one going to have them. it's so personal. i have to end it, i have to shoot myself, shoot someone else. that's a huge issue for law enforcement to have to deal with people that get into this mode, that the gun, you know, is the answer. so we do have to look at it across the board. and the school resource officers and the school police often are at the front lines. it remains to be seen if the school resource officer approached the student and then what happened then? he might have resulted in him committing suicide or the officer shot him, but somehow it might have been the end of the event. seen that many times in newtown and across a lot of these shootings. >> jim cavanaugh, larry johnson, thank you both for your time
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tonight. >> thanks for having us, reverend, on such a sad occasion. we'll have much more on our continuing coverage of the shooting at a high school in marysville, washington, next. >> and he was perfectly fine the day before. i remember talking to him. he seemed like the normal old, you know, kid that we all knew. and everyone knew him. everyone knew him as that kid and he was always very nice. no sign of -- i mean, he was always a little bit of a child and got into a fight, but he was always a very nice kid. [ narran to get richard to his campbell's chunky soup. it's new chunky beer-n-cheese with beef and bacon soup. i love it. and mama loves you. ♪ and mama loves you. this is the one. can we go for a test drive? oh sure, i'll be right back. thanks.
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marysville-pilchuck. many in our social media community are keeping the families involved in the high school shooting tragedy today in their thoughts and prayers.
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jalen fryberg. we don't know if the victim is a student or adult. four other people were injured, three of them critically. and we've heard troubling reports about the shooter. the local nbc affiliate, king, has reported that he was popular, and even recently crowned homecoming prince. one student described fryberg earlier today. >> knowing him, i knew he was a good kid. he did wrestling. i knew his other cousin. and yeah, he didn't seem like he was troubled at all. he seemed like a great kid. >> what do you mean, great kid? how do you define that? >> he was doing school, doing well in school, not getting in trouble. something went wrong. >> so how did this happen? joining me now is dr. wendy walsh, she's an adjunct
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professor of psychology at california state university, channel islands. and former fbi profiler and nbc news analyst clint van zandt. dr. walsh, we've heard reports that the shooter was popular, even just voted homecoming prince. we're used to hearing that school shooters were loners, had a lot of problems. does this surprise you? >> it doesn't. i think the media image of a shooter is a kid who has social issues, who is an sbrofrt, who doesn't fit in, is missing some kind of social chip. but emotional problems can even happen to the most popular, and they're not given a good way to express them. i looked at this young man's twitter feed, and there were days and days and days of angry tweets on it, that no one seemed to be paying attention to. >> we've heard reports that this was about a girl. what's your reaction? >> well, you know, i specialize
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in attachment theory. these are the ways that people attach across the life span. and in our most intimate relationships, our desire for intimate relationships, that fine line between love and hate takes place. when you get rejected by somebody who is a potential romantic interest, if your self-esteem is connected to it, if you believe that on some level, a life line has been broken, violence can happen. attachment injuries create a lot of violence. >> clint, i want to ask you that. how can, if this is any way proven to be right, how do you go from a broken heart to this? >> well, this is going to be the challenge for investigators, al. many students suffer a broken heart. few ever pick up a gun and act out in violence. if, as wendy suggests, her readings of his twitter feed has
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showed anger, maybe frustration or rage that went unanswered, these are the things we want people to pick up on. we want students and teachers to become aware. we would love to have seen another student say, you know, i see on his twitter feed, he's really expressing some anger, some rage, maybe about this fight we heard that took place concerning a girl. that if somebody had brought that to the attention of the school officials. because one witness, al, says he walks up behind four students, to include a girl, and shoots them all in the head as they're just sitting there, and he just stares them down, i mean this is cold, this is calls. it's like all of his emotions and everything are funneled into the barrel, into the end of that gun, and now he's reaping his revenge. he's acting out. he's evening the score. and then, of course, like so many cases, he turns that gun on
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himself. >> dr. wendy? >> i want to say one more thing. this is a freshman. eye high school freshman. a ninth grader. he was in middle school a minute ago, right? and his twitter feed was filled with a lot of sexually expressive retweets. there are pictures of him online holding guns. he was an avid hunter. this kind of stuff we should be concerned about when they show up in clusters. anger, hyper sexuality, guns, you look at the whole picture and you say, wow, was anybody paying attention? the tweet that bothered me the most was the one that said, it looks like i'm sweating this off, but i'm not. so inside he was in pain. >> on his twitter page, it seemed like a lot of interest on guns. does that tell us something? >> well, again, he's from a part of the country, al, where a lot of people hunt.
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now, of course, he couldn't have done this, number one, without a weapon, and number two, without access to a gun. he's 15 years old. he can't buy a gun by federal standards. so he had to get the gun, one would assume, in his home, or from a friend or relative, something like that. so we have the situation that wendy's talking about. we have to be able to identify these pre-incident indicators and get somebody some help. and number two, we have to make sure that parents and others lock these guns down and make sure that children don't get access to them unless the adults are with them at the same time. so there's two challenges here that perhaps we could have intervened, we could have done something. and it looks like we missed our two chances. not only to save this young man, but maybe these other students that he shot also, al.
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>> well, certainly a lot of unanswered questions here. we're going to stay on this and help try to figure this out. dr. wendy walsh, and clint van zandt, thank you both for being with us. >> thank you. we'll be right back. # we'll be right back. (receptionist) gunderman group. gunderman group is growing. getting in a groove. growth is gratifying. goal is to grow. gotta get greater growth. i just talked to ups. they got expert advise, special discounts, new technologies. like smart pick ups.
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now to the breaking news on ebola and the image of the day. that's president obama hugging the first patient who contracted ebola on u.s. soil, nurse nina pham, in the oval office. this image, a message to calm fears in america. the meeting came after pham was released from the hospital, after being declared ebola-free. now the focus shifts to that 33-year-old doctor, fighting
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ebola in new york city. right now dr. craig spencer is stable and alert. and we got a very key update today on his condition, going to the hospital, we find that officials are revealing his temperature was actually 100.3 degrees, not 103 as originally reported. dr. spencer and his friends are quarantined, though none of showing symptoms. and disease detectives are now tracing his steps. but will any policy change here? today the white house is reportedly looking at new quarantine measures of health care workers returning from west africa. we'll have that debate coming up. there should be a truck leaving now. i got it. now jump off the bridge.
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york city. today police officials are calling it an act of terror. 32-year-old isaiah thompson went after four rookie officers thursday with a hatchet. he hit two of them, injuring one critically with a head wound. that officer is now hospitalized in stable condition. you can see the blood on the hatchet here. two other cops sthot and killed thompson before he could do more damage. >> i'm very comfortable this of the a terrorist attack, certainly. more recent indicators based on the search of his computer, show activities visiting websites that are focused on designated terrorist groups, al qaeda, al shabab as well as as looking at beheadings, up to and including the fence-jumping incident in the white house, the shooting in canada, which as you know,
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almost immediately precedes this incident. >> the key point, officials today describing isaiah thompson has a recent muslim convert who did not have links to international terrorism, but who appeared interested in it, raising new concerns about potential copycat attacks. it comes as dramatic new security camera surfaces from canada, showing the man who shot and killed the soldier at the war memorial, running into parliament. officials say that like isaiah thompson, he appears to have acted alone. though he aspired to fight in syria, the canadian foreign minister said there's no evidence he was connected to isis. the question now, how ready is new york city, and america, for these apparent lone-wolf attacks? joining me now are nbc news
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terrorism analyst, evan kohlmco, and jonathan dink, chief investigative reporter for wnbc in new york. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> jonathan, you were working this story all day. what else can you tell us about this investigation? >> well, it was an extraordinary press conference at police headquarters today. the police commissioner coming out and saying, plim nairly, this does appear to be an act of terror. as you heard on the sound bites, they say because this suspect was basically visiting jihadist weapons, he converted to islam two years ago, increasingly had been online in his home, looking at al qaeda websites, isis websites, videos that show beheadings, as you heard, and that is part of it. leading up to until today, we had heard he was a lone criminal, a nut, if you will,
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who had some past radical views that blacks and other minorities in this country were treated unfairly ask that there needed to be an uprising inside america. overnight they went to his online behavior and found his interests in radical jihadist websites. and they also said during this news conference that the videos from the neighborhood show he was following these officers around, and that he had the machete in the bag. when the officers stopped to take a picture with a photographer, with their backs turned, that's when he took out that 18-inch machete and lunged at the officers. literally hacking away at their heads. one officer was able to block it with his arm, suffering injuries to his arm, but the other one, really badly injured with a blow to the head from that axe. he is out of surgery in critical, but stable condition, in a lot of pain, we're told, but his condition improving. >> that's when they shot him, is
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that correct? >> they shot and killed him, that's correct. one of the bullets hit an innocent bystander half a block away by mistake. she's still hospitalized, but doing okay. >> what about the hard drive? anything found there? >> again, there's lots of writings, lots of evidence in terms of his rantings, that he is angry at america. he was angry about everything, from the vietnam war, to the wars in iraq and afghanistan. he had a problem with police officers. there's some anti-white rhetoric, we're told, on his computer and in his writings as well. but again, what was most concerning, and what seemed to be an increased activity, was his visiting these jihadist, islamic-based websites, that perhaps served in part, an impetus for this attack. that is the leading theory, or a leading theory police are working on at this time. the fbi taking a more cautious
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approach, saying the investigation is ongoing, but the police commissioner holding that press conference calling this preliminarily a terrorist attack. >> facebook had some reference to islamic jihadists, what does that tell us? >> there are a lot of people with jihadist references on their websites. there are some people who browse jihadi videos, and not everyone who does that is a criminal. nonetheless, it's certainly true right now that isis has managed to cultivate the attention and interest of a fringe group that's not just here in this country, but in a variety of western countries. the good news, it's a fringe group, meaning it's not a large group of people that are believing this. and a lot of people that are supporting isis are much like this individual that appear to have serious personal problems on top of whatever interests they have in syria, iraq, or isis. and certainly this is one of the causes that appeared to have motivated this individual, not the only one.
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doesn't take a ph.d. to murder someone. i think this is an excellent example of how much chaos can be caused by one man with a hatchet. and in canada, you had a guy hacked to death on the street. it captured the attention of the wor world. it made it into an al qaeda propaganda video. it was noticed just not here in the west, but also by al qaedas it. we'll see if they take any interest in this latest attack in new york. >> here's an effort of isis propaganda that sparked alarm in australia recently. quote, if you're not able to find an ied or a bullet, then single out the disbelieving american, frenchman, or any of their allies. smash his head with a rock, or
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slaughter him with a knife, or run him over with your car, or throw him down from a high place, or choke him or poison him. is this a new isis tactic? >> look, it's chilling. one thing we have to keep in mind, this is not entirely new. the same kind of philosophy was pioneered by al qaeda in the arabian peninsula in 2009. were there individuals that followed that order? sure, major nidal hasan followed exactly those orders, among others who followed those instructions. however, there were problems caused by these individuals. people lost their lives, but they didn't fundamentally change the nature of this country. that's the issue here. we have to understand it's a threat, but we can't lose our heads about this. it's a threat we can deal with, we just have to understand it's a challenge because these guys are not that easy to spot. some of them look like your friends and neighbors. some of them may have deep
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personal problems that go beyond supporting terrorism. that's why you see something, you really need to say something. >> well, new yorkers can deal with it, thank you very much, evan coleman and jonathan deanst. thank you both for your time tonight and have a good weekend. >> good to be here. >> thank you. coming up, a big debate today, should medical workers returning from west africa be quarantined? and switching gears to this. >> pretty, pretty, pretty. >> what the [ bleep ]! i'm pretty powerful and ready for success. >> yes, it's called f-bombs for feminism. is it good for the cause? is it bad parenting or both? "conversation nation," that's
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"conversation nation." joining me tonight, elizabeth plank from josh zep of huff post. and attorney faith jenkins. thank you all for being here tonight. >> thanks, rev. >> you're welcome.
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>> should medical workers returning from west africa be quarantined? some are wondering why new york ebola patient dr. craig spencer was allowed to move around just days after returning from his heroic work in africa? we know he took a three-mile run in manhattan. he visited the high line on tourist park area, he took the subway, used a car service, and went bowling the night before he was diagnosed. medical officials say spencer posed no threat before he contracted a fever. but it has a lot of people outraged today. the white house is reportedly looking at new quarantine measures of health care workers returning from west africa. faith, what do you think? should medical workers returning from west africa be quarantined? >> i think it's something that definitely has to be considered. i know all the medical officials say, if you don't show symptoms,
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then the disease is not contagious. but if a doctor wakes up one morning and he has a fever, when did he start showing those symptoms? what if they were there and he didn't know it the night before when he went bowling? i think that's why people are concerned. so in an abundance of caution, i think that medical professionals coming back from treating the disease in africa, need to take a closer look at the places they go when they're still in the 21 days. >> you're in new york city, elizabeth. what do you think? >> i think it's important to stress that these aide workers are heroes. craig spencer went with doctors without borders and did amazing work treating patients with ebola. but when you're dealing directly with people who are infected, i would like it if you don't go bowling in brooklyn, or make out with your fiancee.
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just make sure you haven't contracted the disease. aide workers are an incredibly vulnerable part of the population. so we need a protocol when it comes to dealing with this very vulnerable population. >> josh, i heard you were trying to get in there, i cut you off. what do you think on this? >> i just think we need to focus on the real threat. the greatest threat to americans here is not an outbreak here in the united states. the greatest threat is a complete collapse of west africa. we're nowhere near providing enough beds and professionals over there. you could see governments fall. you could see the rise of groups like boko haram. you could our interest in africa severely weakened. you want to facilitate health officials going in and out easily. by quarantining them when they come back, that will only complicate that problem. >> isn't it true, faith, that you can't deal with this,
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without dealing with the nations that we know have had a problem -- guinea, as well as sierra leone -- and aren't we avoiding it until we deal with the basis of where this is coming from? >> we have to deal with the basis. that's important. this is now an epidemic, and people are dying, you know, in large numbers. and it has to be addressed. but at the same time, when you have doctors who are coming back from treating patients and they are now testing positive for ebola, you have to look at what we are going to do and what measures we're going to take in the u.s. as well. >> they're professionals, they know what they're doing. i think we just have to trust the medical professionals to come back and self-diagnose. >> i think we also have to deal with sierra leone and liberia and guinea. now changing gears to a
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controversy. featuring little girls, dressed by princesses, dropping the f-bomb in the name of feminism. >> pretty, pretty! >> what the [ bleep ]! i'm not your pretty princess in distress. >> i'm pretty powerful and ready for success. >> so what is more offensive, a little girl saying, [ bleep ] or the [ bleep ] on -- >> the video was produced by a clothing company that sells shirts with anti-sexism and anti-racism messages. the company says they'll donate $5 of every sale to charities for their causes. elizabeth, a lot of outrage about this one. your take? >> well, look, i like the video. i thought it was funny. and i certainly heard a lot about it in all of my networks. a lot of people also thought it was funny. and the video now has more than a million views. so clearly it has run its course and people are clicking on it and sharing it. >> you fell for it.
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you fell for the shameless ploy. >> you have to remember who this video is for. it's not for children. it's not for kids. it's starring children, but it's for young adults. people like us. i'm more offended by some things that are said by our politicians and some people who don't even believe in the wage gap and can say that with a straight face, than a few young actresses using the f-word. >> bjosh, it's young kids using the f-word. what do you think? >> i hate it. i'm not offended that the young kids are using it. i'm ashamed of the people that got them to do it. something about this company, they sell t-shirts for men that say, this is what a feminist looks like. if a man is wearing that, he wants to get in your pants. [ all speak at once ] >> it's friday night, judge,
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what do you say? >> if i were to come home at that age dropping f-bombs, doing it for feminism, i can tell you it would not go over very well. i did not like the video. i think it undermines the integrity of the message they're trying to send. >> i think faith, if you went home at this age dropping f-bombs, you might have a problem. [ laughter ] >> everybody, stay with us, because coming up it's monica lewins lewinsky. she's back in the spotlight this week. today we're learning more about how she was treated -- or mistreated -- by authorities. next. [ female announcer ] if you don't think "i've still got it" when you think aarp, then you don't know "aarp." life reimagined gives you tools and support to get the career you'll love. find more real possibilities at
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we're back with our panel, elizabeth, josh, and faith. and we go to monica lewinsky, who made headlines this week, breaking her silence for the first time since the scandal, in an emotional speech. >> i was threatened in various ways. first, with an fbi sting in a shopping mall. it was just like you see in the movies. imagine one minute i was waiting to meet a friend in the foot court, and the next, i realized she had set me up, as two fbi agents flashed their badges at me. immediately following, in a nearby hotel room, i was threatened with up to 27 years in jail for denying the affair
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in an affidavit and other alleged crimes. >> and today, for the first time, we are learning government lawyers thought lewinsky was mistreated in that investigation. "the washington post" has uncovered a report from 2000, commissioned by ken starr's successor to investigate what happened in that interrogation. the report found that the prosecutor who confronted lewinsky, quote, exercised poor judgment and made mistakes in his analysis, planning and execution of the approach. that through the investigation, lewinsky was crying, sobbing, regaining her composure, screaming, and that she tried in various ways to contact her lawyer, but was advised not to consult with anyone. faith, did prosecutors go too far threatening miss lewinsky? >> well, first, if someone asks for their lawyer and you're a prosecutor questioning them, that's when you fall back.
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you fall back and call their lawyer into the room. at this point, they know they're dealing with a young woman who is very impressionable. who obviously made some mistakes with her life, but they are now threatening her with the rest of her life, spending it in prison. so they took a very hard and, in my opinion, cruel approach. in the way they questioned and treated monica lewinsky. a lot of people did, unfortunately. >> isn't that really egregious, to muscle her out of talking with a lawyer under those circumstances? >> yes. yes, it is. not only is it egregious, it's unethical. if she asked for her lawyer and she wanted her attorney to be present during questioning, she had every right to have that attorney present. >> it's not just unethical, it's illegal. now we have this government report that says that monica lewinsky was mistreated, produced by the department of
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no, kidding, einstein. it was abombinable. even from clinton himself when he's talking about, i did not have sexual relations with that woman. just calling her, "that woman." and even the way the public responded, demonizing her, thinking we don't want to let down the clinton side. i feel so sorry for her. she was really the first person whose life was ruined by the internet. >> she was 24 years old, just a kid. >> elizabeth? >> i think at this point, it's very clear that monica lewinsky was a victim in this whole thing, not only at the level of talking with bill clinton, the president of the united states, using his authority and clearly there's a problematic thing happening there, she's an unpaid intern, only 22, but the portrayal of women in the media, the portrayal of everyone in the media. and she had no power, she had no control. and again, i have to share the
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same sentiment as josh. i wish we had this report before. >> and it continues today -- >> i've got to leave it there. elizabeth plank, josh zep, and faith jenkins, thank you all for your time, have a great weekend. >> thank you, rev. >> we'll be right back. and some you just don't. introducing the kohler touchless toilet. ♪ if yand you're talking toevere rheumyour rheumatologiste me, about a biologic... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira giving me new perspective. doctors have been prescribing humira for ten years. humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers,
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today nurse nina pham was declared ebola-free, and met president obama at the white house. dr. craig spencer is now getting the best medical care. but in africa, it's a different story. nearly 10,000 ebola cases, more than 4,800 deaths. and at least 3,700 children have been left orphaned by the outbreak. many are isolated by the sigma of being ebola orphans. even relatives are too scared to care for them. they say that now adult ebola survivors, some of whom lost their own children to the virus,
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are taking care of them. we can't close our eyes to this desperate need overseas. we can't just close our borders. there are many ways to help, and you can reach out to those aid groups on the screen. to find out what you can do. it's a human tragedy, so it's our business. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. have a great weekend. "hardball" starts right now. it's friday night in america, and this is "hardball." ♪ ♪ good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. a high school freshman opens fire in a school cafeteria, shooting a table full of his friends, then himself. a self-radicalized muslim convert attacks four


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