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fundamentalists and a special guest tonight, legendary actress gloria steinum. just over a half an hour ago, an unmanned rocket took off from virginia and here's what happened. >> and we have liftoff. emissions with isf. about 108%. >> nobody was injured in the explosion, but there are reports of property damage. the rocket belonged to orbital
science's organization. they have $1.9 billion contract for eight cargo missions through 2016. this was orbitals' third mission to resupply the iss. there are six people currently onboard the space station and the rocket was carrying 5,000 pounds of equipment for them. none of the supplies on board were urgently needed. hundreds of people were watching from the ground. here's what it looked like six seconds after launch. nasa is characterizing what happened as a catastrophic anomaly, but there's still no word on exactly what went wrong. joining me now on the phone, derrick pitts. derrick, tell me what kind of rocket this was and how routine
are these kinds of launches? how often do they happen? and how often do they happen without incident? >> chris, this is basically a standard, liquid-fuelled rocket, hydrogen liquid oxygen, probably, fuel and oxydizer. these kind of launches are actually fairly common place. it's like launching a satellite like this one was doing in supplies through the international space station. the commercial entities have been very, very good with their record so far in launching supplies for international space station. >> this is a major policy change. nasa used to do all of this themselves. they started opening it up for private biddings. when did it happen? you just said, up until now, it appears as if it's gone fairly well? >> yes, it has gone fairly well.
nasa has been working on this for at least the last five years, trying to move some of its operations out to commercial corporations to handle this easy resupply work, in a sense. when i say easy, i mean routine kind of operations of just launching payload. we've been doing a lot of that for the last 60 years in the american space program. and as an unmanned mission, just sending supplies and equipment, that is fairly routine. but nasa has been pushing this off, opening the doors for commercial operations to handle this kind of work because it can be done fairly well by these other companies. it doesn't reduce the risk, though, of what can happen when something happens when an engine component or something else in the rocket fails. >> so, obviously, we're familiar with the sort of catastrophic, tragic examples of rockets that have not -- that have failed to launch over nasa's history, that have cost the lives of astronomers. have there been a series of unmanned rockets that have failed to launch? is that something that has happened over the years? >> oh, sure.
unmanned rockets have failed to launch a number of times. all of the space-fairing nations have had rocket failures because this is a very, very difficult business. the rockets are very, very complicated. the pressures that they're using, the temperatures of the fuel and the oxidizer, all of those things are right at the limits of how machinery can behave. so for every country in the world that's doing some space fairing, they've had some issue with unmanned rockets. occasionally, every once in a while, there's a risk of a failure happening. so there's always a chance that something could fail, although the engineers work extremely hard to minimize those risks and keep that from happening. >> derek, just quickly walk me through. the basic principle here is you have a lot of very combustible fuel packed in a tight space that's burned very hot to get
that thing up and out of the at atmosphere, right? >> yes. >> and because you have that, the pressure and the combustibility is so high, that when we have something go wrong, as you see, it explodes? >> yes, that is the case. you have the fuel, and you have the oxidizer. when you mix the two of them together, that's what you get. the explosion. the exhaust is what provides the action of providing the reaction of carrying the rocket out into orbit. it's the controlled mixture of the oxygen and the fuel, the emission of which creates the thrust that lifts the rorket. >> when you think about it, it's sort of remarkable that we were able to successfully pull this off is always my thought when i see something like this. derek pitts, thank you, sir.
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walker just got a last-might be minute financial boost. so this time, he made a $650,000 contribution to the republican party of wisconsin. on that very same day, the walker campaign reported receiving a $450,000 contribution. what a coincidence. today, he visited maryland, maine and rhode island. >> when we win, we get a chance to govern. when we get a chance to govern, we blow away all the predispositions that we may have. we're a group of folks, men and women, who can get things done. oh, we have great governors all over this country who have shown they can get things done. >> at this point, according to gubernatorial campaign spending a total of $380 million on ads, even more than this year's supercharged senate races. meanwhile, the future control,
the senate is still very much up in the air. and if you don't believe me, ask a robot. for instance, the new york times senate projection model, which they've named l.e.o. and one of the things that l.e.o. has determined is that the odds of all the current favorites actually winning one week from today is only 3%. in other words, the model is predicting it will be surprised. that's how volatile this race is. one race favors the incumbent democrat. the alaska senate race would be an ease pickup race for republicans, but according to steve cornake, those could the e turn the race for the senate upside down. >> well, that's right, chris. the keyword for the entire map this year is volatility. the keyword is mystery. there is more range of
possibilities in alaska than we're seeing in any other state. chris was just talking about polling in alaska. i'll show you exactly what this means. this is 2008. this is when mark first won his senate seat. this is the average of all of the polls right before 2008. the key here was ted stevens had actually just been convicted of corruption charges in federal court. the average said this is a big blowout. mark is on his way to the senate. then they held the election and look what happened. he goes from 11 points ahead in the average. it took two weeks to count all the votes in alaska and to declare a winner. the polls were basically ten points off in alaska in 2008. now, again, as you say, this is a race all year. frankly, democrats have looked
at alaska, too, this year. and they say this is a state that republicans are going to win. if you look at 2008, when all of that favorable climate -- >> a convicted felon on corruption charges. >> they say, well, look, it's a better climate in 2014. that still may be true. but if you look, the most recent poll, one came out last night, it put begich ahead by eight points. the questions about all of these about how lively they are. there's a poll in between that puts dan sullivan ahead. so in both states, we're saying maybe the democrats are going to win by a point. maybe republicans are going to win by two points. we really don't know. but what has changed here in the last few days with these new
polls is there is now a real possibility that the democrats hold this seat. this is a very unpredictable state. we want to show you that if that were to happen, this is the battleground right now. you have ten states in yellow that are undecided. what we want to do is just plug in who is leading in the polling average in the states right now. for example, in new hampshire, the democrat could change. louisiana is a little complicated. colorado, again, close, with the republicans ahead. kansas, you know, is a difficult state because of the independent, greg orman running. democrats assume that he feared caucuses with democrats. let's say that happens and let's give that to democrats. now, take a look. the republicans are sitting at 50. they need 51. if they got what they assumed they had all year, done, over, ball game.
but if begich holds on, then the republicans are stuck at 50. that's why i want to point out quickly what's happening in georgia right now. there's a reason why i left that blank. michelle nunn has surged against the republican. if i had been showing you this yesterday, michelle nunn would be leading in the average. today, one poll came out that put david purdue ahead of michelle nunn. he's now a half a point ahead of her in the average. this one truly going back and forth. but the key is, with alaska, it doesn't matter. all sorts of possibilities open up here. >> can you go back to georgia? i want to point out something key. you'll see there, 45.8, 45.3. both of those notably below 50%. georgia has a law, you have to
get 50%. >> there's a candidate here who's pulling about 4%. if they have a runoff, the runoff would be held in december. there was a court ruling that went against the state of georgia a few years ago that basically says in federal elections now, you have to go an extra month. >> so a possible runoff in georgia and jab e january or an extended ballot counting in alaska. all of that is on the table. >> here's the real quirk. the runoff in georgia is january 6th. the senate reconvenes on january 3rd. so, yeah, there's a lot of unresolved possibilities. >> steve, thank you very much. chris christie, as i said, head of the republican governor's association was on the campaign trail today, as was obama. christie has been on the trail. this afternoon, christie heading to maine. arriving in maine one day after maine native, kristi hickox one day after he quarantined her.
a combative interview on the "today" show, he was adamant he made the right call. >> if she had never presented any symptoms, our policy would have been to send her back to maine and to quarantine herself at home in maine. she was tested. that testing was ordered by the cdc. >> after that interview, christie was asked about a possible lawsuit over his treatment of the nurse. >> pardon me? >> looks like you're going to have to defend this in court? >> well, whatever. get in line. i've been sued lots of times before. get in line. i'm happy to take it on.
>> you should bring out his scientists who are advising him on that. we know that we want to be led by the science. that's what's going to keep people safe. science. not politics. amber vinson was declared ebola free and sent home. and this afternoon, president obama took to the south lawn to hail the health care workers fighting the disease. >> we don't want to do things that aren't based on science and best practices because if we do, then we're just putting a barrier on somebody who's already doing important work on our behalf. >> joining me now, executive director of doctors without borders. dr. craig spencer currently being cared for in bellevue here
in new york city. casey hickox, returning from doctors without borders. what is your sense as an organization of the risks your health care workers face? and what policies are appropriate upon their return? >> our doctors and workers and every aide workers working in west africa at the moment are, indeed, taking much risk in facing the spread of the ebola outbreak there. but the understanding of the risk is there is absolutely no risk of transmission of a healthy individual who presents symptoms. and even though it would present symptoms, transmission is only
possible with contact with body fluids. this is why we are against quarantine. we believe in appropriate measure. it's not based on medical science, as has been repeatedly said. and strict monitoring is much more appropriate in the circumstances. >> do you fear that these policies will deter people from volunteering to do the very, very courageous, necessary work that you're doing? >> we're absolutely convinced of that. quarantining is an aggressive measure that targets individuals who are much-needed in west africa at the moment. quarantine is creating a false sense of security. it is misleading. >> do you have data on -- you have hundreds of doctors working in west africa, is that correct? >> yes. >> around 250? >> well, we have 3,300 staff working as we speak. and 10% are international staff. >> so what is the transmission rate been like? you guys are in the heart of it. how often have you been faced with health care workers who are
getting the disease? >> we've actually had 23 health workers along the more than 3,300 because we've had such a rotation, we've had several thousand people. >> i want to say that for people who are listening. you've had 3300 people rotating through to care for people who are there the worst thick of the virus, who are, you know, have bodily fluids that are highly contagious and only 23 have gotten the virus? >> 23 have been contaminated. 21 out of the 23 were nationals and investigations show that they were contaminated outside of the workplace. so we've had three workers who
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since the days of galileo, this church has tried to stop progress. but science and religion are not guilty enemies. >> this week, it was pope frances channelling dan brown, while basically thumbing his nose at the pontiffical academy of sciences. frances went onto restate what has been the catholic church's strongly held view on decades of god's view on revolution and the big bang. he explained that believing these scientific theories is not at odds in catholics' faith in god. frances said the big bang theory is not at odds in faith with god.
>> joining me now, the lead singer of the band bad religion and teaches a course at cornell university. i was reading your thesis which is about naturalism and god and evolution and the kind of tension there. what was your response to the pope's comments? >> well, it sounds like there's a lot of angry creationists in the world tonight, i think, from the comments that he made. you know, i understand and kind of simple these with what the pope is trying to do, which is admirable. maybe he's getting more people of the faith interested in biology. but there's something about it that just doesn't sit well.
it sounds like, as often is the case, he's trying to have his cake and eat it too. creationism, he's saying, that maybe we can't have the miracles to create all of these different species that are so obviously adapted to their environments. but he's still reverted to creation for the big bang. so, in a sense, he's saying evolution happens, but, also, miracles still happen. >> well, this speaks to something profound about both evolution and the big bang. in both cases, they are when you understand them fully, fairly radical attacks on even the deepest notion we have on what causes a thing, right? there was nothing and then there was something, the big bang. there was nothing and then there was something in the case of life as it evolved. and in all of these cases, that place of nothing to something has been reserved for god. and the question is do you think
he's correct in that those two cases can coexist? >> well, here's the problem. there are two fundamental ways of looking at the world, and these two ways are fundamentally different. the scientist of today, by and large, are what we call materialists, and we believe that matter and energy is all that exists in the universe. that's not compatible with the religious view that says, sure, these material things do exist. but, also, something else exists that is incorporeal, that is spiritual and that comes from the mind of god. those are what we call dualists. and that dualist position has been around since classical times. and that's exactly what charles darwin overturned around 1859 and ushered in the modern way of looking at the world.
you can't get more different than a dualist position and a materialist position. there's no evidence that i've seen that suggests that the dualist position is real. >> you have a ph.d. you've taught paleontology. do you have evolutionists who are faithful believers? >> not so much colleagues, but there are people in evolution who want, like the pope, have their cake and eat it, too. in fact, i can cite a title of a book called "can a darwinian be a christian?" this is an example of an evolutionary biologist that believes they can exist side-by-side.
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as we found out in the latest installment of our "all in" american series, that inaction has led some to take matter into their own hands. >> i am not going to give up this fight until it gets done. as bob mentioned, i've taken so far actions -- [ inaudible ] >> barack obama probably didn't think this is where he'd be, facing heckling from immigration advocates. >> that's exactly what i'm talking about. >> i've talked about it every
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>> for over 80 days, rosa has been taking refuge inside a church in tucson, arizona. she sought shelter here august 7th, the day before a deportation order took effect. rosa has a husband and two young sons. they call tucson home. but all four were born in mexico and are here without documentation. in september, 2010, rosa was driving to work when she said she became confused. >> she spent 60 days in an arizona detention facility. rosa and her family wondered what would happen next.
after nearly four years following court hearings and appeals, they got their answer. in june of this year, rosa received an order of deportation in the mail. she was to leave the country. >> yet, according to the obama administration's own stated policy, rosa shouldn't be forced to leave. >> president obama announced that we shouldn't be deporting people just because we can. we should set up priorities of cases to use our resources in immigration court. >> margo cowan says rosa's previous legal council did not go through the proper channels to close her case. >> clearly, her case would have been closed had her lawyer asked to do so. >> rosa, instead, chose to seek
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and declared the church a sanctuary. >> they called it the sanctuary movement, a network of hiding places. the administration says they are here illegally, that aiding them is also illegal. >> we had a movement that was substantial and in active public resistance to the government. >> the reverend fife's church has been under surveillance since 1982. >> they had microphones hidden in their jackets and tape recorded conversations with sanctuary pastors on both sides of the border. >> merely because the person has the garb of the clergy, which all of us respect, i don't think should put anybody above the law. >> the upshot of it was that they used those tape recordings to indict 16 of us in 1985 as a way to intimidate the sanctuary
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people can get it for free and just download it. and there's everything you didn't want to know that is happening or not happening and everything you did. there's very little praise in here, i want you to know, but there is this sentence. our researchers pointed out one example of good stuff. chris hayes, who sees the merits in setting race and gender quotas for the media, hayes must include two women of the four guests on his shows. so congratulations. and we will frame that. >> well, thank you very much. it is the case that representations of women in media were the same-old, same-old, except for the fact that it's fired by associate media. so you have, in some ways, this weird thing which has gotten
fewer democratized. and that can look a lot more like a patriarchal model. so is this what you imagined in the future 20 years ago? >> no. >> what did you think? >> although it's rather like the personality books of the eighth grade, you know, where you commented on people and said, you know, think she's cute? and the same thing is true of that and this computerized media because you don't manufacture oxytocin. what it is is we're here together. we have some idea of how the other person is feeling. it's produced by oxytocin. people are free to be more critical online. >> it's like the democratization
of cruelty in some way. before, if they were going to send you death threats, they had to write to your publisher, if you were an author, like i am. now they can sit home in their jammies with their doritos and press send. >> but we have seen this incredibly sensitive ecosystem explode online, young women that have completely revolutionized. it's the way that the media operates and, in some ways, forced a lot of these conversations. when you see the renee zelwegger thing happen, there's the backlash and then this amazing kind of feminist critique that rises up in response to it. >> that's right. among the things that we found in there that we not only analyze classic media and print and broadcasting and you name it.
including gaming, the whole recent scandal. and it's as patriarchal as any other place. >> you're saying online media? >> online media. everybody had hope that it would open these, but with fight back. >> yeah, because you don't need a lot of money in order to get the word out. so the medium has both advantages and disadvantages. and what we have to focus on are two things, the message, what are we actually saying, never mind where it is. and is there a electronic divide that's growing in this world and in this country between people who are illiterate and people who are not and people who have electricity and people who don't. it's an anti-democratic force in that way. >> i still believe in its potential because there are villages in the global south where they don't have electricity, but they have cell phones. >> and it has been revolutionary. there is something about when
you say low cost, right? you had to raise some capital. originally, it was an insert, right? >> in the new york magazine. >> and then it went out on its own. >> right. but we were subsidized by subscribers. >> right. but a lot of the women i know of my sort of cohort, there's a psychological cost they pay for being in the public eye. for being online. >> yes. and it's not an equal psychological cost. >> that's right. and that's been very apparent. >> people have retreated from public meetings because there have been threats like the montreal massacre from male gamers. >> it's like a control of public space. they don't want women there. particularly, what i call the
high testosterone age group, 18 to 25 white males. they don't want people of color there. they don't want women there. they are young, white males. >> that exclusion is getting harder. >> yes, it's getting harder. >> robin is making a foray into this in a different way because she has become a radio interviewer par exelance. >> it's the women's media center live. it's a sindicated radio program that's both at itunes and online at wmc live.com but is also sindicated in 110 countries. i will tell you, quiet frankly, that my day is made when we have a guest in the little radio show that could and the guest is on you. and i think okay. >> we keep our eyes open. >> but talking content the way they do with you. >> and if you play your cards right, i think you might get her interview. >> any time. >> robin morgan, it's just a
tremendous pleasure to have you here. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> that is "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts now with rachel live from denver. good evening, rachel. [ cheers and applause ] >> we are coming to you live tonight from the great state of colorado. we are at a global place called the view house in denver with a lot of very, very attractive people. so a funny thing happened on the way to re-election of obama. they held their election in 2008 in denver. when it came time for the election, candidate obama won the state of colorado pretty easily. he beat john mccain by like nine points.