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we're following reaction out of jerusalem where four people have been killed. in capitol hill it is decision day on the keystone pipeline. in ferguson, the grand jury continues to meet as governor jay nixon declared a state of emergency ahead of their decision. and with president obama expected to take executive action soon on immigration, we're talking to eva longoria about the plight of migrant workers. we start in the middle east where israel is vowing a heavy handed response to the deadly attack in jerusalem. two men with meat cleavers and a gun burst into the building and attacked people while they were praying. four people, three american, were killed. the attackers tried to escape
but were killed in a shoot out with police. israeli police identified the suspects as two palestinian cousins. the demolition of their homes was ordered in east jerusalem. >> tragically this is not the first loss of life that we have seen in recent months. too many israelis have died, too many palestinians have died. i think it is important for palestinians and israelis to work together. joining me now is martin fletcher who has long covered the middle east. there is talk that it could be brewing in israel, this is a dim sign i imagine. >> that's one way to put it, four rabbis kills in the
synagogue, the attackers killed by police. but i don't think so, the violence has been building in the last few weeks has been limited to jerusalem and very close to jerusalem. it's when the violence really spreads throughout the west bank and gaza. that is what the palestinian leader is saying. the people trying to make it happen is the hamas leadership in gaza. they're calling on palestinians in the west bank to carry out more such operations. they're putting fire to the fuel, they're trying to make it -- but the palestinian leadership in the west bank says they don't want that, they're cooperating very closely.
they have been cooperating very well over the last few months despite the attention. certainly there are a lot of things going on right now that would indicate that the violence is growing and spreading. a overall uprising by the palestinian population like we saw in 2000 seems unlikely at this point. >> do we know any more about the two attackers. >> as you mentioned they're two dozens. their relative was released from israeli jail not too long ago. we know also that it was possibly to destroy their homes. but it is not really a matter of where these two people -- what drove them. the fact is they come from a deep pool of very angry and frustrated palestinians in the west bank and gaza who see no
real progress for any alleviation for their live. the question is whether or not they're in the peace process at all that can be started that will give some hope. in the absence of that hope we'll see more anger, frustration, and violence. >> and there doesn't seem to much of that going on. thank you, we appreciate it. let's go to capitol hill where the fate of the keystone pipeline is being voted on. it is meant to deliver oil from canada to the gulf of mexico. the pass sage is anything but certain. it is now up to democrats to determine whether there will be enough yes votes to secure a filibuster proof majority. >> i brought this bill to the floor knowing in my heart that we have 60 votes.
i sure hope we have the courage that supports that. >> it is just dangerous. it transports the dirtiest oil on the planet. it doesn't allow the kind of review that our affected communities deserve. >> kelly o'donnell is following the debate on capitol hill, how much support does she have for the support for that bill. >> so critical for the perception of how she would do in that reelection campaign. she has more than a dozen democrats that will side with her and many democrats say they believe this project will ultimately be passed, but some of the opposition is about the fact that the president has not made a decision. part of it is to speak to the environmental wing of the party, and also remaining questions
about letting some league challenges playo out. republicans say they will bring it back and pass it in a republican senate. she is down to a matter of hours. she has been twisting arms, working the floor, working the phones. she is still trying to get that last vote. one of the people we were watching closely today is angus king, an independent that quickly works with democrats. he is a no today because he said this is something that the president must make a decision and the congress should not be approving construction projects. there is different reasons why people are coming to their votes. bill cassidy, currently a member of the house, a senate candidate that could become a member of the senate, has been the sponsor on the house side. so you heard republicans today
referring this to republican cassidy's bill. joy? >> intrigue. kelly o'donnell, thank you. coming up we will separate fact from fiction on what the keystone pipeline would really mean for americans. if they're able to get the bill out of the senate, will president obama follow threw on his promise to veto. what about that potential veto threat? >> we just heard from josh earnest. the president does not support it, but this is something they have been very clear here they want the process to playout. that means a state department review. we heard from the president a few days ago when he was on his way back here from the g20. he said we're looking at the
impact on greenhouse gases. again to the point, environmentalists putting a lot of pressure on the president and harry reid said he hoping the president would veto it. they have not used that specific phrase. >> we'll be looking at that, but let's take a quick switch and talk about this top to bottom potential review of hostage policy. >> this was precipitated by the horror and beheadings of isis. the u.s. will not rr consider their policy of not paying ransom. they believe that encourages them to kidnap other americans and foreigners. we also know they will take a look at their policies in terms of dealing with those families because there has been heavy criticism about whether or not the administration had somebody, a point person, for example, who would deal with the families and james foley's family said they
were told about his death by a journalist in a phone call. there is a few other things that experts say they have to look at. it's not isis taking most of these hostages, it's other groups that trade them or sell them, essentially take money from them and isis holds them and beheads them or takes a ransom, so they have to look at how they put pressure or give punishment to the organizations that take these hostages initially. and the companies that are known to directly or indirectly have paid ransom to isis. when i pressed josh on that today, he did not give indication of any development in that area. over to ferguson now where
the grand jury is still meeting to decide whether -- msnbc is live in ferguson. state of emergency is in effect, how are people reacting to that on the ground? >> first of all, as we go hour by hour and day by day waiting for this decision by the grand jury, their announcement that they're in a state of emergency, the national guard will be deployed in the case of unrest has angered folks that say it is presumptive. as the government hunkers down with their prep riarationprepare creating safe houses and gathering supplies. we also heard there may be changes in the police department. the police department may be restructured. i spoke with one resident who is a protester for mike brown who is now one of jackson's biggest
supporters. he is going door to door trying to get people to sign a petition for jackson to keep his job. >> you see they're trying to throw all of the blame on the chief of police, and get the attention off of darren wilson. and we want darryn wilson prosecuted in jail and they think if they give us the chief of police it will quiet us down some. but that's not enough. we want darren wilson prosecuted. >> a lot is going on. any day now we'll figure out if a grand jury made that decision. >> a lot more waiting to come. thanks very much. >> thank you for having me, joy. coming up, the true cost of putting need on your table. my exclusive interview with eva
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independent, angus king of maine said no. whatever happens tonight, president obama is expected to veto any bill on. because a section of the pipeline crosses the canadian border it has to be approved by the administration. today john boehner had harsh words for president obama about a potential veto. >> a keystone pipeline veto would send the sipgal that the president has no interest in listening to the american people. it would be the equivalent of calling the person people stupid. >> we have john nickels who is the washington correspondent. i want to start by playing what senator mitch mcconnell had to say about keystone take a
listen. >> it's common sense, it's a shovel-ready jobs project that would help americans find work. it would increase our supply of north american energy and it would do that with minimal climate impact. >> you cover the environment, is that true? >> on the job's front, it would have several thousand temporary jobs. long term jobs is just several dozen president the climate aspect, they found minimal contribution to greenhouse gas emissions but that was based on the idea that these would be developed anyway and i think that is in question. >> yeah, there has been, you know, they didn't use keystone. a instruction project that would
had many jobs, but once it's built, if it's built, you're only talking about 35 jobs. >> i think that what we have to understand is this is not a jobs issue we're talking about. this is a money and politics issue. some of the biggest energy companies in the united states and the world really want to do this. it will make what they're interested in doing, ways they're interested in making money, easier. they're very passionate about this and they have gotten some politicians on their side. the problem is this is not a job creation initiative as you pointed out. in the long term it does not begin to create the kind of jobs that we could create with smart investments and green energy. it's problematic on a lot of levels. it is very unlikely to come to pass. because even if the senate were to vote for it today, and even if president were to approve it
and even if it kept going through all of the barriers, the truth of the matter is this bill that has been put up is expensie exceptie exception exceptionally unlikely. we have a lot of bad political theater that creates the fantasy that someone is working to create jobs or make congress get something done. in creareality it is very unlik that it comes to fruition. >> that's a very good point about whether or not it is even possible for it to get done. let's say it did. people express a concern about oil spills. it can transport 800,000 barrels of oil per day and this is tar sands oil. and a state department, that mitch mcconnell sited, they
thought it would leak 518 barrels of oil a year. when you talk about the actual history of oil spills, start with transcanada. they had 12 in one year back in 2011. they have not had the greatest history. if you look at a case study about the pipeline, there is a company called end bridge in michigan. it spilled about 840,000 barrels of tar sands oil in 2010. the rupture went unnoticed for 17 hours. according to the ntsb there was a break down of safety. the employees performs like keystone cops, no pun intended with keystone. has anyone studied the potential back on these states? >> i think a lot of people who live in these states raised those concerns. it crossed the aquafer.
it would cross a number of water ways. and you look at the spill from a few years ago, they're still cleaning that up. the mayflower spill in arkansas from a few years ago is still relevant in that community. there have been horror stories in the cities that have seen spills. and a catastrophic spill could be much, much worst. >> and johnso, it goes without saying that republicans it more than democrats, but i think about the democrats, they're up to 12 that might be for it, but there is only one democrat in one of these actual states. there are no democrats if we put that map back up of where, the states that keystone would go through, why would they be in favor of something that's not in one of their own states and that
b has such clear potential peril for the environment? >> many of the democrats that stepped up come from energy producing states and they're folks with longer term commitments to energy policy that involves extraction, and may have industries that they want to ultimately trade off with in the future and say i backed keystone, i want you to be with me on something related to my state. that is a political reality of both parties. the important thing to understand here is that if this pipeline was running through urban areas, if it was running near big cities and near waterways where a lot of people lived, there would be a absolute outcry. because it is going through rural america, there is a skewed debate. for those of us that care about rural america, we should be very concerned. it could do a lot of damage to
people that live in some of the most precious parts of the country. >> thank you both. msnbc will have live coverage of the vote starting at 6:00 p.m. eastern on politics nation. the president prepares for a show down on legal authority and illegal immigration. we'll look at who would be impacted by this political divide and if it makes any sense for the president to wait.
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obstruction, but take a look. >> the president had two years with the house and senate and did not on immigration. >> he should not poke a finger in the eye of congress before we have an opportunity to let congress work as well. >> starting with the fact that t they had some time with votes, why didn't they go ahead and push through comprehensive immigration reform in that period? >> they were going about health care. and the system, unfortunately in washington, can only handle one gigantic idea at a time. if you have to choose, choosing between immigration reform and health care reform, they went for health care reform. one thing that republicans don't talk about when they talk about the president having two years to get things done, they don't
talk about what the president did to give them room to pass comprehensive immigration reform after republicans took over the house. they told the president please don't get involved in this. when the senate was crafting it's bill. please don't say anything, don't get involved. if you do, you will poison the well. so the president remained sil t silent. then they tell him, hey, just give us a few -- give us some more time, don't do this executive order, so he goes along with that and now they're still not going to do anything. so if they're going to play the blame game on why the president is doing, or potentially going to do what he is going to do, a lot of the blame falls on their feet. the senate bill is right there in the house and could be passed if speaker boehner would let it come up for a vote. >> it was a bipartisan passed with just 67 votes and there is
no reason the house could not have taken it up when ever they wanted to. one of the other things is the idea that it would somehow be law less for the president to use his suppoauthority, but eve single president since dwight eisenhower has done it. it deferred the deportation of 1.5 million spouses and children of individuals legalized under the immigration reform and control act. and that act legalized 2.7 million people. there is quite a precedent, is there not? >> there is tremendous precedent for the president taking action. so i think it is really -- it really comes down to almost lying and playing politics with the lives of really literally millions of people. what a lot of these politicians don't see, what happens every
day here in the latino community, i live in the washington metropolitan area, i see the tremendous human impact that the lack of immigration reform has on our community. one point not stressed enough is that one of the effects, one of the conferences of the republican block, the immigration reform force sod many thousands of parents to take that step of having children come unaccompanied to the border. they blame the president's program for that deferred action. in reality, one of the biggest factors involved is so many of these parents are so desperate because they realize that the republicans will not allow reform to pass. >> there was a perception and maybe reality that latinos frustrated with the lack of comprehensive immigration reform did not just take it out on republicans, they took it out on
democrats as well. there was a few research center survey that said the hispanics made up 8% of voters. but the democrats share was down versus 2012. and it's not clear whether there was some, you know, lack of executive action, but usthey to it off the table. >> yes, i was speaking to one on election night that said inaction by the president on immigration was impacting turnout, hispanic turnout in colorado which is where, of all of the states that were up for reelection, that democrats needed to hold on to it was colorado where the hispanic vote was significant enough to help sway the election. as we know it didn't turn out
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documentary "food chains." it is not a dignified way of living. >> a short time ago, i got to sit down with the films director along with actress and producer eva longoria. >> i remember i saw this "time" magazine article saying should you eat or drink organic. it did milk, beef, and vegetables. yes it is worth the price to buy organic beef, chicken, and milk, but produce, not really, you can watch your produce off and the pesticides are gone. no one factored in the human cost, the human suffering and the human exploitation i would
rather buy organic produce because of the effects it has on the humans that pick it. we're the most well fed country in the world. and the people who feed us go to bed hungry. >> the consumer is pitted against the farmer. it produces poverty on the other side. >> it is two-pronged. in this country we have always used the weakest and most vulnerable to work. the list goes on and on and on. but the most inspiring thing is now we can change the exploitation they face. in the last 20 years, the super market industry has quadrupled in size. to the point where two out of
every three dollars spent on groceries is spent at walmart. these companies are demanding that things are grown and taste a certain way. if they demand that workers treat these workers well, and these companies that sucked all of the profits out turn a little back, it is a simple, simple problem to solve. >> that is the other piece that the documentary brings out. the idea that people are paid by the pound. it's how much you pick. all of that labor. the amount of really difficult labor, back breaking labor in the sun produces so little pay if they're paid at work. >> some workers can work a ten hour day, and they get a penny a pound. they love what they're doing. it's not like they think it's a
terrible job. they love being farm workers but they want to be treated like human beings. that is something that agriculture has not done successfully. >> the c.i.w. pass come up with an amazing template that has really only been tried in this tomato industry, but there is so many other produce that it needs to be applicable. because they started in 1993, and so it has been 20 years to get shade in the fields, to get water, to have breaks. all of the successful and advances that chavez made in the '60s has been dismantled and are not enforced. to see what the c.i.w. has done in this particular sector of agriculture has been amazing and we wanted, you know, to applause it and also say there is so much more to be done.
>> the other thing, eva that i'm struck with is that we have this immigration debate about immigration reform. it seems to be like illegal immigrants against american workers. >> no, this is a human rights issue. people like to column farm worker issues in. this is a industry that is totally dependent on immigrant play or. farmers cannot get workers. >> i think it is one of the most important documentaries that i have even in a very long time. thank you both for being here. >> thank you very much. >> "food chains" opens in
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>> why should president obama offer the new republican controlled congress when it takes over in january? what should he offer them now in the lame duck? he should find a way of reaching consensus with the g.o.p. perhaps more fancy lunches, a golf outing. by the way here is mitch mcconnell on election night. >> for too long, this administration has tried to tell the american people what's good for them and then blame somebody else when their policies didn't work out. tonight, kentucky rejected that approach. >> and here is mitch mcconnell throwing a big bucket of i
ice water on the deal. >> i was distressed with the deal that he apparently reached with the chinese on his current trip. as i read the agreement, it requires the chinese to do nothing at all for 16 years. >> so that is the same mitch mcconnell centered on six years of full spectrum opposite of the president, and whose own ascension to power came from getting half of the votes of 36% of eligible voters. launched on inauguration night in 2009 went to the point of shutting down the government. so if republicans gave him what they gave the president for six years, it would be nothing. and the democrat longings for come upants, doing nothing might
be the smart thing for the president's party. they point out that while the president's republican critics claim that his forceful approach on immigration, climate change, and net neutrality shows he is not paying attention, he is paying attention to voters that supported him years ago and they will show him that political engagement is worth the effort. with republicans, things they recognize, cutting social programs, it won't do anything to motivate the voters that want to come back to the table in 2016. much of what a president does in his final two years is to bequeath a strong or weak hand
to his successor. so far, the democrats are down five senate seats, net. that is good, but not the best. ronald reagan passed the white house on to a successor to his own party. the democrats will be running into the headwinds of history in 2016. they're saving grace, demographics. namely the young ethnic voters who a big change could be just what the doctor ordered. that wraps things up for "the reid report." be sure to join us online, "the cycle" is up next. happy tuesday, lots to talk about today. we're looking forward to that keystone pipeline vote at 6:15 p.m. today. i have a few myths about the
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