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bracing for violence. the report itself is expected to outline tactics used against al qaeda detainees at secret sites, including simulateded drowning known as waterboarding. other descriptions of harsh treatment inslamming them into walls, sleep deprivation. but the report will also say the program was a failure, and that the cia misled the bush white house. former vice president dick cheney says that's not true. quote, that's all a bunch of hooey as far as i'm concerned. the agency ought to be decorated, not criticized. we have this covered from all on this tuesday morning. chris lan sing is at the white house. jim miklaszewski is at the pentagon and the managing editor at msnbc.com is here with me in the the studio. chris, let me start with you at 1600 pennsylvania. what's new? what do we expect that will be new in this report? >> well first of all, even though it's redacted.
i think there are two big headlines coming out of it. one is that three former cia directors, there are accusations lied to congress lied to the white house and to the american people about the kinds of techniques used post 9/11. let's talk about the specifics of those, which inlewded waterboarding. khalid sheikh mohammed and two other detainees. there's a part of the report that describes how they used a buzzing power drill to threaten one of those detainees. and so it is really some of the details of things that were suspected and the actual confirmation of what happened. people who have looked at it described it as a brutal read even in this largely redacted form which is obviously for classified purposes. >> just to clarify, we're talking some 450, 500 pages of a 6,000-page report, right? >> yes. >> mik, secretary of of defense
chuck hagel in afgs today. what's the sense about whether this report whether the release of this summery will cause real trouble overseas? >> well, craig, as of this morning, there appears to be no specific threat against any u.s. military installation or embassy in the middle east or in africa at this present time. but as a precaution, you know after the state department and u.s. security forces were caught flat footed on the attack of the benghazi conflict in libya, in which ambassador chris stevens and three other americans were killed, they're taking no chances. so there were some 2,000 marines in the region that have been put on a heightened state of alert. it doesn't mean they're sitting in a helicopter with all their combat gear on ready to fly, but if in fact there's any indication of any kind of threat against a u.s. embassy in that region, they will be able to
respond more quickly. and of course all the security forces at embassies in that region are also on a heightened state of alert. fortunately in many of those countries they often get some kind of indication from the local host country intelligence services that something may be amiss but so far, it's been pretty much flat lined. >> chris mentioned the redaxs in the report. what are we not going to see? what are we not going to read when this comes out? >> you're not going to see anything to hold anyone accountable. names of cia officers or contractors who ran these facilities in romania and thailand who oversaw the programs. who carried out the interrogations on individuals. those names are not going to be in there. there was a fight with the white house over sooud anymores. and whether or not they should be redacted. the pseudonyms question was a
big fight between the committee and the white house. and in fact you will not see the names of people subjected to a lot of harsh interrogations. we know the names of the people who were waterboarded because of many documents that have come out. but almost 100 people were held in black sites. many of whom remain anonymous today. >> it should be noted that senate republicans, republicans on this committee did not participate. it should also be noted that we did not, or the the economy itself did not talks to folks involved in these interrogation practices, right? >> that's correct. the committee did not do any interviews at all. they relied totally on information from the cia inspector general. and internal documents of classified information from within the cia. and we'll see a minority report from the side with all of their issues. >> thank you so much. thanks to all of you. we're going to obviously be
talking about this a great deal over the course of the day. a lot more to come here on the rundown as well. more on the torture from senators on both sides of the aisle later in this hour. now though to another major policy fight in washington that continues to play out across the country. president obama will continue to sell his immigration action to the american people later today. it's a tour that started in las vegas the day after he announced his executive orders and then made its way to chicago, illinois. today he makes a third stop in nash shil tennessee, no quince dins that's where we find jose diaz balart. let's start with the president's visit, though good sir. why nashville? >> that's a great question. nashville because the white house believes that what has hoopd near in happened here in nashville as far as how the immigrant community has been able to
settle in and to become a part of this community is probably a national model to follow. there are about 124,000 undocumented imgrants living in the state of tennessee. about 50,000 living here in davidson county. and the white house believes how nashville has dealt with the folks that have come here from all over the the world is a good model to follow. behind me, greg is where the the president will be in just a couple of hours speaking about the importance of immigration and the importance of immigration reform. that's going be the first time i speak with him after the 20th of november executive orders on immigration. so clearly that's going to be one of the issues we're going to be focused on today. >> i don't want you to tip your hand, obviously. but besides immigration, what else do you plan to talk to the president about today? >> well the big news of the day
is this report you were just talking about on the show just seconds ago on the cia and its interrogate tactics after 9/11. clearly this is the first time the president is going to be able to speak after the the report or the summery of that report is released. we're going to be talking to him about that, about immigration. the importance of immigration reform. who knows. you never know. >> jose diaz-balart, we'll see you later in the program. >> see you soon. >> and that interview with president obama will air first at 6:30 eastern. and there will be much more in the prime time lineup on msnbc and of course tomorrow morning on the daily rundown. let's get to serious weather that is absolutely hammering the northeast right now. heavy rains and powerful winds. you can hear them in the studio. they're pounding the eastern seaboard as a noer easternor'easter
moves through several cities. already the effect is being felt at major airports. the faa says laguardia has delays averaging 2 hours and 45 minutes. philadelphia international delays averaging an hour and 20 minutes. dylan is joining me now from long branch new jersey. what's the scene like there, dylan? >> hey, craig. you just mentioned you can feel the winds from inside. feeling the winds from outside, this is brutal. it's a nasty nor'easter making itsz way into the northeast. we're already seeing wind gusts up near 40 miles per hour. this is a coastal storm. you see that ocean out there? it is angry right now. we're seeing very high surf. the high tide is between now and 45 minutes from now. so we are going to see typically flood prone areas during these types of events along the coast feel that water splash over the
sea wall. we're going to see regular flooding inland. that's because of the inches of rain we're seeing from this system. by the time we get to 10:00 in the afternoon up until 3:00 or so we could see wind gusts up near 55 miles per hour. that means loose objects will be tossed around. we're already feeling the effects at the the airports and this whole storm will eventually make its way to new england today, and then some areas, especially the higher elevations in upstate new york and new england, once it turns to snow overnight tonight, those areas could end up with one to two feet of snow as it lingers through thursday, craig. >> dylan dreyer for us in front of an angry ocean. we'll continue to follow this h nor'easter. we'll have another update on the weather in about half an hour. we're just getting started on a very busy tuesday edition of the rundown here. another event on capitol hill that will get a lot of attention this afternoon. secretary of state john kerry testifying about war funding for
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the fighting against iraq and syria. he's been meeting with the troops and iraqi leaders on the ground. the surprise vid comes as a debate reignites at home over the obama administration's escalation of the war against i sis. this afternoon secretary of state john kerly will face tough questions from republicans and democrats at a foreign relations hearing. luke russert joins us live from capitol hill. what can we expect this afternoon, good sir? >> it will be interesting to see what john kerry says about the ongoing u.s. war with isis? congress has a lot of questions because congress has not specifically authorizeded this action. they're still operating under the operation military force that dates back to 2001. and the initial war on terror. expected questions from john kerry is how much does it cost?
whether or not there should be boots on the ground and this is all a lead up into later this week the committee is more than likely going to vote on what the u.s. strategy should be against isis through an authorization of military force bill. this won't come forward in in congress because there's not enough time. you'll have democrats like tim kaine from virginia who said they want to limit this to no boots on the ground. air strikes only. very up to date reports about how much it will cost. you have republicans that said we should have more force. we should have boots on the ground. expected pointed questions from the left and the right. scene the next congress. house speaker john boehner says he wants congress to specifically authorize this latest escalation against isis and not operate off that 2001 operation use of force. not getting a lot of attention. everything is focused on the
issues. >> luke russert, thank you so much. i want to bring in wisconsin republican senator ron johnson, a member of both the foreign relations and homeland security committees. senator always good to see you, thanks for being with me this morning. secretary kerry is going to be testifying before your committee about the new authorization bill for the use of military force that luke was talking about there. in your opinion, what needs to be in that bill? >> well first of all, let's take a step back and talk about how this debate ought to be proceeding. you know, we did have one hearing back in may about an authorization for the use of military force, in may? and then there's a group of us in july talking about the shorgs for use of military force because the white house is finding its authorization, let's put it diplomatically tenuous at best. but we didn't have a full debate. we didn't get the information. there's a lot of questions. so now we're going to have one
hearing. a little debate. it's going to be a show vote. there's no chance of it to pass through congress. it's based on inadequate debate and inadequate information. and what we're talking about here is we're talking about lives of the finest among us. i think this needs a far more robust and responsible debate out of congress than what it will be given right now. >> that could be said for a great deal of debates. so it sounds like senator, you think this afternoon will be also a conversation or debate about the strategy against isis moving forward as well. is that a correct assessment? >> it is. but i think the administration sp was asked to find about six witnesses. i appreciate secretary kerry coming up here. and i'll defend the chairman. he's been asking for a witness to come forward to inform congress. they've been not exactly forthcoming. my problem with dealing with the white house is if you're looking at an authorization for the use of military force, i think the
way the process ought to proceed and really how we left our july meeting is the ball is in the white house's court. come to congress with what authorization you believe we need and we should be debating that. in the past when we declared war, the organization congress granted in world war i and world war ii was to bring the conflict to a successful termination. pretty broad power. the president is the commander in chief under article two. what's going to happen now today, i fear is we're going to provide comfort to the enemies. we strip the organization through time or what the president can do. i think it's very foolish, very unwise to signal to the enemy what we will or will not do to accomplish a goal that i agree with degrade and defeat i sis. but who is our enemy? is it strictly isis? is it al qaeda? is it in yemen? is it in pakistan?
is it in afghanistan? is it in syria and iraq? i mean this is a very complex situation. i don't envy president obama, his task. but the fact of the matter is we have a lot of questions not being answered. we're not getting the information that we need from the and this is part of the process. >> so you have secretary kerry going to testify this afternoon at 2:00. a few hourls earlier, that cia report is expecteded to be released. you called for an end to this investigation back in 2011 i believe. why was that? do you not think that the release of this wort is valuable? >> i think it's somewhat unwise again, to air your dirty laundry out for them to see. why would we provide that? there are good people in government, in congress, continuously monitoring these
programs. democrats, republicans, conservative liberals. >> do you not think there is value in the american public knowing precisely what happened? or as much as we -- go ahead. >> i think the question is -- you used the word precisely. i think the american public through leaks have a good sense of what happened. eni said i don't envy president obama or president bush but this is a dangerous world populateded with evil and dangerous people that want to kill americans. we witnessed that. we need to give our government the authority. this is the one area of government we have to have a little faith and trust. i don't think airing all the precise detail of what the presidents do to keep us safe is a splarly smart thing to do. >> some would say the faith and the trust was eroded when the leaks started, and we got a glimpse into precisely what was happening in the wake of 9/11. >> again, some top secret information was leaked.
this is a dangerous world. sometimes we have to do unpleasant things. and i don't believe the u.s. government should bear all its dirty laundry to the entire world. that harms the effort in keeping america safe which should be the primary goal keeping america safe and secure. >> senator, thank you so much for your time sir. >> have a great day. >> we'll get perspective from the democratic side when i speak to bob casey in just a minute. after the break, gas prices are down because the cost of oil is down. we'll get a check on the markets in just a bit. first in case you hadn't heard. the duke and duchess of came bridge are still around. they're expected to leave their hotel shortly for a visit to the 9/11 memorial. some 67 brits were part of the attack the most of any foreign country. last night they mingle led with pop culture royalty at the
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a live look right now at the new york stock exchange. executives from rbc capital management there are ringing the opening bell to celebrate the listing of a new product on the stock exchange there. protests, a plane crash investigation and more fallout from the uva sex assault scandal. let's go to this morning's top stories. it was a full night of protests in berkeley california over a grand jury's decision not to indict police officers in the deaths of eric garner and michael brown. demonstrations started relatively peacefully but berkeley's mayor says a small element of thugs and cowards used used demonstrations for looting. and they stopped a major am track. a federal autopsy released yesterday found he died of multiple gunshot wounds and described his death as a homicide.
the justice department autopsy was released with other documents for the grand jury proceedings. it echoed the results of two previous exams perfected by st. louis county and a private examiner. also found brown was shot in the head at close rake, indicateing a possible struggle with officer darren wilson. in maryland this morning, investigators are analyzing a flagt data recorder from a private plane that crashed into a home, killing three on boards as well as a mother and her two young sons on the ground. 36-year-old marie was trying to shield 6-year-old cole and 3-year-old davon inside an upstairs bathroom. the fire from the crash was too intense for anybody to get to them. her husband was ats work. the 5-year-old daughter was at preschool. the pilot was michael rosenberg, who crashed another plane at the same airport four years before. now to the latest fallout from the widely criticized rolling
stone article at the university of virginia. the father of the alleged victim jackie is defending her saying she told the truth. he told britain's daily mail she got the from fraternity's name wrong when describing where she was gang rapeded. on campus uva's fraternities and vorpsororities are demanding they be reinstated. but the president is demanding they be suspended for the end of the year. and next hour a senate sub committee will take up the issue of sex assault on college campuses. representatives from cornell university and southern oregon university. let's get back to the weather right now. from maine to maryland the nasty nor'easter soaking the east coast. it's the second storm in two weeks, and it's expected to bring wind gusts today up to 60 miles per hour to some folks. this morning, new york's
laguardia airport has departure delays averaging 2:45 because of that storm. nbc meteorologist bill karins is tracking it from the studio here. what else should we expect from this thing, sir? >> we've already seen a couple of surprises. i don't think we're going to see too many more throughout the rest of the day. the surprise this morning is the cold air is entrenched more than expected across connecticut, hudson valley, northern new jersey. there was a really treacherous period for two or three hours. a lot of accidents were reported because of a glaze of ice. now temperatures are warming up and the rain will wash all of that away. so that's improving. a lot of the schools are already canceled. now the peek of the storm will approach. now the heaviest is right now. southern new england new york city, long island. it's beginning to lighten up a little bit there in southern new jersey. we mentioned the airports. you get the limited visibility. one and a half hour delays in philly. we're doing okay in baltimore
and dulles and reagan. and those winds are howling. 38 miles per hour gusts just occurred at jfk airport. by the time we're done craig, about one to three inches of rain. so the drive home won't be much better. still a lot of ponding on water on the roads. just imagine if this was all snow. we would talk about an epic blizzard. thankfully it's all rain. >> thank you, sir. >> umbrella killing day. >> is that a legitimate term? >> it is. >> we'll continue to track this thing throughout the morning. we'll have another update in about half an hour. let's get back to capitol hill. ha live look at the house oversight committee. do we have that live look? live look. house oversight committee. on the hot seat this morning, commissions jonathan gruber who has been called by some -- there's the live look. there's dale issa.
he's been called an architect of obamacare. white house officials say gruber's influence on that law was limited. he's expected to be thoroughly grilled over the remarks where he called voters stupid and bragged about the law's lack of transparency, and in the words of one gop staffer in that hearing, it's going to be quote, a lot of fun. all of this is open enrollment for january. coverage closes this coming monday. our capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell is there for us. kelly, how much of a side show are we expecting here? >> i would say it will be the main event and not a side show at all. this will be a chance for republicans who have been waiting for this kind of political splip to capitalize on it yet again in the final weeks of this congress and the chairmanship of that man. darrell issa of california. when the new congress comes in he'll switch seats with someone else 6789 this is a final chance
for him to wield the gavel and for some say he was speaking off the cuff. said something he didn't intend. others say he was revealing what he thought in talking about the process when it was originally passed. we've talked about the length and density of the law and the fact that many people were not able to read through it very carefully. that was part of the controversy. not fully understanding what was in it. and they talked about the need for transparency. so for gruber to talk about the american people and voters and to use the words stupid or stupidity, that's really a moment for republicans to cease upon. democrats will surely come to his defense. and the other person testifying today, marilyn, who is an administrator with medicare and medicaid service will also be grilled for a slip-up in the latest enrollment numbers. 400,000 not accounted for that
they had said had signed up. so basically what we're going to see is again dissecting the rollout and the management of the health care law and as well as going back to the roots of how this all came to be. were the american people given a chance to know nully what was in it? what to expect? to have an economist who is credited for him to speak to the public even offhandedly. they say that opens the door for real oversight here. zblf as chairman issa appears to wrap up his opening comments here kelly. is gruber is jonathan gruber, is he sort of the boogeyman that many republicans have been looking for? zbr well he's the man of the day for sure. there have been other heated hearings that i have sate through and watched so you don't have to. and this is the kind of chance
to again go back to the roots of it. to press him as to why he would say this. he can say this was an offhanded and ill timed off the cuff remark. we've all said things that we regret. they're going to try to say this is much more revealing of what his real plans, thoughts and intentions were as they prepared the law. to make it less easy to understand at the time of the passage. meaning that the public wouldn't know all of that would follow. health care premiums could go up. this is a web of issues. and having any opening, any slip of someone so influential if the process is a chance for republicans to take it to task again. the bigger political dynamic as long as president obama is in office, there won't be a way to repeal it. a new congress may chip away and have a strategy to dismantelpieces of it and try to effect it. it's simply been a dead end thus
far. this is one of the final shows of the oversight committee of this congress. >> kelly, is it true again, in addition to being the so-called architect of obamacare, what do we know about gruber's relationship the to so-called romney care. >> he was influential in that process, too. there was a day those were said in the same sentence in a complimentary fashion. he was influential in the forming of that plan. he has been to the white house a number of times. ful and you've got senior democrats like nancy pelosi saying i don't know him. and republicans countering and saying he was a part of the brain trust that helped formulate how a plan like the americans, the aca, the affordable care act would work based on what was done in massachusetts on a state level. a lot of similarities between the two programs. and he was a big part of that. and so ever since he said the
word stupid on camera the white house and senior democrats have tried to distance themselves and republicans have tried to bring him so so closer. >> kelly o from the hill. thank you so much kelly. we'll check in later with a republican congressman john micah of florida. he sits on the oversight committee. he'll be questioning mr. gruber in just a bit. big day on capitol hill as we wait for the release of that report on torture as well. after the break i'll talk with senator bob casey about what we can expect and who, if anyone, should be held accountable. thought "wow, how is there no way to tell the good from the bad?" so we gave people the power of the review. and now angie's list is revolutionizing local service again. you can easily buy and schedule services from top-rated providers. conveniently stay up to date on progress. and effortlessly turn your photos into finished projects with our snapfix app. visit angieslist.com today. ♪ ♪
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and that's why i put an end to these practices. >> that was president obama back in 2009. more than five years later torture is back in the headlines thanks to the big senate report coming out in just a few hours. i'm joined by pennsylvania democrating senator casey. thanks for being with me. always good to see you. once this thing comes out, is that the end of it? or should someone be held accountable for what happened? >> well craig, i don't think there's any question that the president is right. we should not engage in torture. and this report that will made available at some point. we don't know exactly what hour but at some point this report will be part of the public record. and what flows from that should be a measure of accountability. i think it's very important that we have the transparency that this report will ensure. >> but should someone -- should someone be held accountable?
in it's found in the report the 450-page summery, there were individuals who knowingly engaged in practices that were certainly if not immoral, illegal, should they be punished? >> there's no question if you violate the law you have to be held accountable. it's as simple as that. i'm in the intel committee so i'm lit limited in two ways. limited in the sense that i haven't seen the report number one, so i don't know what's in it. number two, have not been briefed at the level that members of the intel committee have. so when secretary kerry or anyone in the administration or the intel community, when they make statements about the timing of the release, we have to take that very seriously. like a lot of senators we have some limitations in terms of what we know right now, based on not having the intel briefing.
>> there's also been criticism that they did not talk to cia officials. the committee did not talk to folks who were actively involved in some of these enhanced interrogation techniques. does that undermine the report's credibility. >> >> well i don't know that's true. i can't assess whether that's true or not. >> let's pivot here. i want to switch to isis really quickly, senator. yo wrote an op-ed in the "washington post" writing they are missing a plan to take out the syrian president, bashar al assad. can we succeed in neutralizing isis without that piece? >> i believe the tragedy overall is that it was a sound strategy. i've said that several times with regard to what the president is trying to do. i think it's going to take many years. it's not going to be months or even one or two years. it's going to take many years in
my judgment. part of that strategy must include dealing with assad, or at the minimum, putting a substantial degree of pressure on him so he can bomb and wipe out with impunity the very opposition that we say we're on the side of and have given training and equipment authority and funding. i think it's inconsistent to allow him to do whatever he wants after killed 130,000 people in syria, and us say well that doesn't matter because we're going to train and equip the opposition over here. i don't think it makes sense. so ultimately the answer to your question is yes in terms of the overall strategy looking better if assad is no longer in power. >> senator bob casey, thank you. >> thanks craig. >> more on this from richard engel engel. still ahead on the rundown. protesters making a statement outside the brooklyn nets game attended by the duke and duchess
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from here at the basketball game protesters staged a die in. all as prince william and kate arrive for the nets and cavs game. i'm joined by a key player. madam speaker, good to see you. thank you for stopping bip. let's start with the garner protest. you said from the beginning that the grand jury got wrong. moving forward, as these protests continue here as the protests which sometimes turned violent in berkeley as those continue as well how do we move forward? >> there's couple of things. one, obviously the call we hear from our attorney general, the call we've heard from the public advocate calling on and independent and special prosecutor assigned to cases in which a civilian dies in the hands of a police officer. i think that's important to support that and the governor to take executive action. as a city council we played an integral role being aggressive
how do we reform the police department. but there has to be an acknowledgment and recognition there are systemic biases we to uproot. there's a role we want to play in continuing to demand accountability and reform of our police department. >> i was struck i can't remember the precise figure. i was struck by the sheer number of officer involved shooting deaths that have happened in new york city over the past five to ten years. where an officer hasn't been indicted. i think there's been literally two or three times where the officer has been indicted. is that right? >> well, that's according to the daily news put out a report yesterday. i would want to verify in terms the information. that's the concern we have not only in new york city but also what we've seen with the cases around the country with the brown case for instance. there's a concern that when it comes to police involved shootings that there is a two-tiered system. as public policy makers,
legislators, leaders those are things we have to recognize. i thank the attorney general holder and the president for speaking about it and wanting to address it. i think that's a good direction to go in. >> let's talk about immigration. i know you're at the conference yesterday in new york city played host to more than 20 democratic mayors. you spoke at the conference, as i understand it, what did you say and what was the goal at the conference? >> well, new york city has been at the forefront, right. understanding that the federal government, our congress is not doing anything around comprehensive immigration reform. we're left as municipalities to figure out what we can do. we have put in place, which will be in january the id program that is going to be rolled out and that is also available to undocumented immigrants. >> what is that for folks who aren't familiar? >> a municipal id. it's a id that the police department will recognize. it's important as a way of affirming those that are here in our city contributing
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as torture. details will come from senate intelligence committee chair diane feinstein set to speak on the senate floor at 11:00 a.m. eastern. republicans are not happy about it. last hour senator ron johnson told me he doesn't support revealing specific details about u.s. tactics. >> this is dangerous world. sometimes we have to do unpleasant things. i'm not saying that -- i don't believe that the u.s. government should bear all the dirty laundry to the entire world. i think it harms our effort at keeping america safe which should be our primary report. >> the report is, among other other things including graphic details of interrogation methods, calling out cia officials for lying about the program. bush officials and committees are pushing back. the backdrop to all of this new fear it is could spark a backlash against americans
worldwide. we heard from defense secretary hagel who left iraq he said he was concerned about the realization of the report but also went on to say she'she's satisfied they redacted all they could i'm joined by richard engel. it would seem to me -- senator johnson said the same thing. a lot of details in the report have already been leaked. so what more will we learn in just a few hours? before we get to that i think it's important understand what this report actually is. already we're seeing it divided over political lines. republicans attacking it. the democrats saying they like it. others saying they don't. what this really is is a compilation of data some of it provided by the cia itself about the interrogation program. the enhanced interrogation program. what many called a torture program. that began after 9/11 and dozen
of detainees, around 100, just over 100, were taken by the cia, taken to the black sites and horrible things happened to them. this is an accounting of some of those horrible things. >> graphic, detailed account. >> yeah. a lot is raw data. hear about detainees flapping like fish on water boards. things we know happened but we'll hear the raw transcripts. >> the extent to which they happened. >> and the extent to which the operators relayed what they were seeing to their bosses. imagine you're witnessing something ugly you're carrying out something allugly and relaying what is happening. the raw data, some of that will be in the report. it's going to be harsh reading. the larger context is why is there so much push back from the cia? and some of the bush administration officials? they are saying that you asked us to do this. we had legal cover to do this.
the president knew what was going on. the president was getting the full briefs. con condy knew what was going on the president knew what was going on the senate was happy. they were happy with the intelligence they were getting was aware of the program coming out. and pretending to be baseball in the woods. we didn't know it was going on. you were lying. how was it happening? when they knew well what was going on. and this program didn't happen just over one night or two nights. it was happening for years. >> what do you make of the opposition? i mean, their chief criticism appears to be in addition to the report itself they used as a propaganda tool as another propaganda tool that this is most certainly going incite violence all over the globe. over statement? >> i think it's probably an overstatement, yeah. i think the groups that are angry with the united states
might use it as an excuse. fine. they'll take it up as an excuse because they are already angry. i don't think it's going to make people who are extreme turn them into extremists or radicalize individuals. it might become an excuse for radicals to go and march on the u.s. embassy someplace. that is a problem. but if your belief is -- and this is a question, it's a question of how you view justice. if your belief is the cia was asked to do this did it, program stopped, and they are being punished again, selectively while others who knew about the program are not being punished. the military did quite a few brutal interrogations and they're not being taken to task. >> why is that? >> there's a question there. why is that? a maybe because the cia is easier to beat up on. doesn't have the reputation that the military does in the public
sphere. a lot of questions about that. justices carried out upon and when. >> it's another question. do you think that what happened in that period which was disgusting. it was disgusting. it was something you could not morally defend. it had legal -- a legal cover, the legal covers probably should never have been there. they were there. but they -- you should never have a law that made torture legal. it happened. so do you see this report of misapplication of justice too late or as a way to prevent this from ever happening again by punishing those who carried it out or embarrassing those that carry it out even though they had the justification? >> chief foreign correspondent richard engel, thank you. i'm glad we had more time. >> i think we're going to be talking about this over the next
couple of days. >> good to see you state side. good to see you. more on the report that is again, coming out in a few moments. also happening right now down on capitol hill a senate hearing on sexual assault on college campuses. lawmakers addressing why just a fraction of victims go to the police. this hearing is happening right now. senators say one in five women are assaulted in college. one in five. that's a staggering statistic, but that the vast majority of those cases are not reported. the picking up steam after the rolling stone article describing an alleged gang rape at the fraternity house at university of virginia. the editors at the magazine since acknowledged mistakes in the reporting. in a letter to parents last night, the university's president said a ban on greek activity, greek life activity that ban will remain in place through at least january. msnbc continues to follow the story for us. she's here in new york. let's start with that one in
five statistic. i think when a lot of people here that, they think there's no way that's possible. it creates a narrative that sexual assaults on college campuses are huge deal. where are officials getting the number. >> it comes from a department of justice study conducted by researchers. it found that the one in five statistic that is a number that sex assaults over the four years a woman is in college. it was conducted with reliable statistical measures, it's been contested by some conservatives and some libertarians because they say that it shouldn't count in capacitation by alcohol. but that is the legal definition in fact. >> what are senators hoping to accomplish today? >> well, senator mccaskill and gillibrand are pushing it --
giving institutions more tools, more reporting, giving the federal government more leverage over them. and also just showing their kind of attuned to an issue that has blown up to the forefront in recent days. >> how is that being revceived? >> it's only been introduced. it's interesting to see that senator mccass call and gillibrand were on separate sides of the issue. they differed on whether military sexual assault should be thank youaken out of the chain of demand. the federal government has never taken away federal funding for violating title ix. it's a pretty radical measure. it ufrs the middle ground to say we can take away some funding and not all which is a leverage more likely to be used. >> continuing to watch this hearing play out on capitol hill. we'll be watching this and talking about it. thank you for staying on top of the story. not far from that hearing, some breaking news we want to tell you about right now that house
hearing on obamacare, again, economists jonathan gruber on the hot seat. wasted no time apologizing for some of those controversial remarks that he made about obamacare and voters. take a listen. >> i apologize for the videos earlier, but the ongoing attention made me realize a fuller accounting is necessary. i would like to begin by apologizing sin sersly for the offending comments i've made. in some cases i made uninformed and glib comments about the political process behind health care reform. i'm not an expert on politics and my tone implied i was which is wrong. in other cases i simply made mean and assaulting comments that are uncalled for. i apologize for conjectureing with the tone of expertise and doing so in a disparaging fashion. it's never appropriate to make oneself seem one more important. i knew better. i know better. i'm embarrassed and i'm sorry.
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and today we're going to be reaching up to 50 -- more than 50 miles per hour gusts winds. what is happening, that's going to happen about an in an hour until the evening rush. and the winds i can talk about that, but i can show it too. if you look back there you'll see the boats behind here and you'll see it moving ever so slightly. that's what we're dealing with. and the rain will go all the way from new hampshire down to cape cod. and then that is going to happen and get heavier throughout the day. right now we're what we're dealing with is the rain. and i have the note pad and of course, all the wind that is surrounding us here. >> thank you. we're going to be tracking the nor'easter throughout day on
msnbc. prince william and his wife at the latest stop in the american trip. they're visiting the 9/11 memorial in manhattan. 67 british embassies died. they spent monday night at the reception. they met hillary clinton. they spent some time with hillary clinton and took in a basketball game in brooklyn the nets and cavs. they met a sports royal. they met lebron, king james himself. there was controversy surrounding the game as well. joined now by author news editor of broadway.com. blame shakespeare. >> i do. let's talk about the visit here. video of the protests outside the barclays center while you have the duke and duchess
hanging out with jay-z and beyoncè. some of the players wearing "i can't breathe t-shirts." it's the couple's first visit to new york. how do images like that affect their image of the city? >> i don't think it really affects their image of the city. so you to remember -- i'm asked about the royals. why are they still around? that's because they're in touch with social issues. they also put a spotlight on good causes. they are set for true politics and that's why. they're not going to get involved in american politics. they won't comment on american politics. they're here the special relationship between britain and america and the future. >> what is the purpose of the visit specifically. >> the queen is 88 years old. as a result she's passing down her responsibility to her prince charles and william. it's about making william more statesman like. it was a big deal when he met
president obama yesterday. he told lebron james it was extremely daunting. but statementat the same time it's a step up for him. it is all about establishing the special relationship between the future king of england and america moving forward. >> as we speak here, a live look at the duke and duchess arriving at the 9/11 memorial there. in addition to again, the somber visit today. last night is the basketball game when they met with mr. and mrs. carter. it seems as if even our most famous celebrities get wrapped up in the royal hoopla as well. what is it with this country's fascination -- some would say a bizarre fascination with that country's royalty >>well every society has an irrational need to elevate certain individuals. you have it here in america with your culture celebrities and the kardashians.
the royals on some level are the celebrities. they're families, we can relate to them. they're historically consequential. the queen is figure head to 2 billion people. that's a third of the world. i guess we're the old country. so i guess there is that as if nation there. >> do we expect another visit soon? >> i would think so. this trip is taken on behalf of the british government, not for the queen. and it's about putting british interests forward in the united states. so, yes, i would think fairly soon. after the next baby. she's five months pregnant at the moment. >> thank you so much. appreciate your time. we will be following the royals' visit throughout the day. we just got this as well. royal communications spokesperson says that apparently there was no breach of protocol when lebron put his arm around kate's shoulder. at the game last night. i guess there was concern there. >> you're not supposed to touch the royals or the queen. not the queen anyway.
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economist jonathan gruber just ab guising to lawmakers and americans for the comments he made about the affordable care act. gruber was a key adviser in crafting the law's economic policy. he's been seen and heard on several videos now calling voters stupid. saying obamacare's lack of transparency is quote, a huge political advantage. >> the recent response to my comments and academic and other con fences exceeds both irrelevance and my role in health care reform. i behaved badly lyly lyly and i'll have to live with that. the aca's milestone accomplishment for our nation. >> i'm joined by florida congressman john micah who was in the hearing room a few moments ago and heard the apology from jonathan gruber. does the apology satisfy you, congressman? >> not really.
and he did admit that there was a lack of transparency. he got paid $400,000 to be one of the chief architects and i'm going question him in a few minutes on the amount of money he got from about eight states. probably about $400,000. he profited by the lack of transparency and he thought, again, we have his statement that they could pass it depending on the stupidity of the american public and voters. so we also have to hear from the chief hhs director about the discrepancies and figures that she gave to the committee last may. >> she's -- hasn't she already apologized and said it was a mistake? >> she started out with her testimony a few minutes ago apologizing for the discrepancies, but, you know, you begin to question the numbers in this whole thing and
the cost that people profiting like dr. gruber. you start out with 44 million uninsured. she came in and said they had 7.3 signed up. they actually had about 6.9, about 4 to 5 million people had insurance like me. i'm on obamacare. i had insurance. we were forced off it. so we're talking about 3 to 4 million people maybe that actually got insured. then we have 41 million people without insurance in this country. we spent billions of dollars on this mess that has been created. >> what is the goal today, congressman micah? in addition to some of the things that you just mentioned and i'm sure we'll get lots of sound bytes from lawmakers. what is the goal? what do we hope to accomplish by the end of the year? >> you want to find out where any of this has been successful. who they signed up. the other problem we've got is
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we want to bring you a different take on a story we continued to follow very closely here at msnbc, and "the rundown" especially. immigration. it's an organization that helps undocumented students pursue careers in science and health. they give assistance to more than 200 undocumented students across 27 states. a cofounder of prehealth dreamers is the first undocumented student at the university of california and san francisco but he likes to simply be called nu. and -- newt. he joins me from san francisco. first undocumented medical student at the university of california and san francisco. how is being an immigrant, how has that -- how did that influence you to go in the medical field?
>> thank you for having me craig. growing up as an undocumented immigrant, my family has directly experienced what it's been like to not have access to health care. so my mom, particularly had to go through major surgical operation when i was in high school and through that whole process going with her to the doctor visits and translating and really experiencing what it was like to not know how to navigate and be so powerless was really the beginning for me the seed was planted what i could do if i was a physician or someone different who could help affect the family and communities. >> what kind of doctor do you want to be? >> you know, i'm really open. it could be emergency medicine primary care but i know i want to work with again, low income uninsured, underserved communities that i definitely
grew up in identify with and still a part of. >> the immigration topic, as you know, is about much more than the latino community in this country. you came to the united states from thailand as a small child growing up and watching your parents work hard to make it in this country, as you did that and now so you this debate over how we reform how we fix immigration in this country. what do you make of the conversation? what do you make of it? >> i think the root of the debate and the conversations are still about having america and everybody understand that it is a human issue. that no matter what is discussed in terms of in political discussions and policies that we have to think about how it really affects people and human beings and families.
you know, that's what i think and why i continue to share my stories. because once somebody meets another undocumented person they sort of continue -- they begin to understand that we're all just human beings trying to survive, trying to have opportunities here in america. i think that's still the core of the conversation and it's still being developed. what it means to be an american. >> all right, thank you so much for joining us on this tuesday morning. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. another quick reminder here. president obama is in nashville today to continue to push immigration reform. and that is going to be part of the conversation where jose diaz-balart starts. jose is going to be interviewing the president later today. you can see it at 6:30 and here on msnbc on prime time and more tomorrow morning on "the rundown." back to the top story after the break. diane feinstein is expected to
take to the floor. she's a head of the committee that is releasing the torture report that could come out a few moments from now. why washington has been so divided about the release of the report. next. i was very clear that in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 we did some things that were wrong. we did a lot of things that were right, but we tortured some folks. did some things that were contrary to our values. the holiday season is here, which means it's time for the volkswagen sign-then-drive event. for practically just your signature, you could drive home for the holidays in a german-engineered volkswagen. like the sporty, advanced new jetta... and the 2015 motor trend car of the year all-new golf. if you're wishing for a new volkswagen this season... just about all you need is a finely tuned... pen. get zero due at signing zero down, zero deposit and zero first month's payment
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lives. my job was to protect america and i did. >> developing right now we are closing in on the top of the hour. that's when we're expecting the debate on the post 9/11 interrogation techniques to erupt all over again in this country. that's because in about half an hour intelligence committee share diane feinstein will be speaking on the senate floor. her committee will simultaneously release a report on the cia's use of what critics call torture of terror suspects. some refer to them as -- we'll get that in a moment mohyeldin. here to frame the debate the center for american progress and the former special assistant to president obama, also joined by republican strategies. the release of the report as you know highly charged. here is just a few of the responses from republicans.
former vice president dick cheney any charge that the cia mislead the white house is quote, a crock. they said the release of the report is, kwoetd reckless and irresponsible. how do democrats respond charges that the report itself is purely political? >> well, you know, i'm not surprised that people on the right are saying these things. i don't think anybody is surprised it's turning into a political battle. you know, the response to that is it's the senate intelligence committee it's their responsibility to provide oversight. this is something they've been talking about doing for many years now. the release of the report isn't a surprise to anyone. it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. i think there will be jarring things that are in the report but overall people know that, you know, in the past years we did commit torture, the president and others have said it. i don't think that some of the alarm bells that the right are
sounding is necessarily going to come to pass. >> hogan, why did the republicans on the committee not at least participate in the gathering of the information? >> that's a great question. i think they believe in the tactics, probably first and foremost. someone like cia director panetta is on the record saying the tactics got the information needed to capture or kill bin laden. on the other side spoken like a true politician saying some of the things are overstated. the fake the matter is the senate isn't 100% controlled by the republicans. senate democrats knew these things were going on as well. anybody to have the jaw dropping reaction and feign outrage is disingenuous disingenuous. what is interesting to me what is the political fallout moving forward for the 2016 crop? it has the fundamental question what do we do to prisoners once we capture them? do we torture or not torture? that's the bigger question
having to be answered. >> john kerry asked fineeinstein to delay the release. that's frustrated -- dick durbin can't explain why the obama administration want delay the report when one of the president's first order of business was to ban torture. what is going on inside the administration, do you think? >> i think in any administration there are going to be varies views and some people who are concerned about what might happen when you release the report. but, you know, i take the administration at their word and yesterday and day before they were stating strongly they want the report out there. they do not support torture, and so i, you know, i can't explain you know, why secretary kerry did that but, again, the administration has been very clear that transparency is very important and they need to get the report out because we have the, you know, they'llonly way to learn from your mistakes is learn them
and be clear what happened in the past cannot happen again. >> do you think the report should be released today? >> no. i think it damages or threatens our allies overseas and our citizens overseas that could be in harm's way. we've seen several reports that the terror levels have been heightened overseas to protect our citizens. but, listen you know, jonathan caroline, an outstanding reporter was pushing the white house secretary on this bit of information yesterday, he couldn't answer the question there are varying views, he said on whether the tactics work or not. the fact is the obama administration wants to release this. i'm not sure why. feinstein wants to release it. i'm not sure why. they may be against torture but they weren't against it -- >> they said that the american public has the -- >> al qaeda was on the run -- >> they said the american public has the right to know. >> that's fine but don't talk about transparency now. this has been the least transparent administrations in
history. to talk about it now in the particular way you're trying to get up motion. you're trying to say you're doing things and shutting down gitmo and changing our tactics we're going away from the bush doctrine yet again. so many people in his administration are from the bush administration. they're doing the same things under bush and obama because the attorneys said it was okay. >> obviously i disagree with the majority of what hogan just said. look the main difference between this administration and the previous administration they come out and stopped tactics as soon as they came into office. we quibble about being less or more transparency. they're putting the report out. it needs to go out. the american people need to know what is in the report. we'll see what happens. but i think, you know, the right is overreacting and trying to scare people into saying we shouldn't release the report. >> thank you to both of you. >> thank you.
i want to bring in ayman mohyeldin right now. let's talk about more about what is going on in the report. what is not going to be in the report as well. we're talking about 400 pages, 450 pages as an executive summary a great deal of information has been redacted. what has been redacted? what are we not going to learn? >> well, i think the theme of what has been redacted is snig that jeopardize operational security, the naming of individuals, perhaps those that operatives or individuals who may have been involved in the interrogation technique. i think you're going to see anything that could comprise the ways and methods of the cia and on a personal level. i think that's something, you know, this report had been in the works for about months. it had gone back and forth with the white house to make sure that none of the operational security is comprised. >> what of the idea that the report is going to come out and then, you know, immediately we're going to see protests
perhaps violent, deadly protests erupt all over the world as a result of some of the information contained in the report. what do you make of that? >> on a personal level, i would say that i don't think that is going happen. there's a few reasons for that. one is by the time the report comes out, the ripple effect are going to take some time. i don't think we're going see an immediate reaction to the report perhaps today or tomorrow. the respondent use protests like we saw, for example, with -- there's nothing in the report that people who are potentially going attack the u.s. don't know already. in the sense that they center already concluded that the u.s. does commit torture and has been torturing detainees for several years. i don't think they're waiting for a senate report to confirm that. i don't think there's anything new that is going to come out of the report that is going to be explosive on the ground per se. and more importantly the things emotionally charging during the incident the iraqi prison and
gitmo were the images. those images what fuelled people. i don't think we're going to be seeing any images of the interrogation techniques. and that is the not going to lead to the anger and protests. those images once they start getting blasted is what people get people going. >> pictures and videos. >> exactly. what are you looking for specifically in this? >> i think it's interesting to see the conclusions that congress has made about the program. i think there's a raging debate in the country whether or not these programs were effective. we just heard from former president and vice president defending the program. i think it cuts to the very core of whether or not these programs enhanced american security or actually lowered the standing in the world. >> is this report or any report for that matter going to do anything to resolve that debate? it would seem that's a debate that comes ss down to your fundamental view of maybe
morality, maybe the role of government? i mean, is that something that can even be resolved that debate that dispute? >> i think the debate is important to be had. i think that it will come down to every american citizens to make that decision what kind of country, what kind of society do they want to live in. do the tactics bring about the security when it's being independently reviewed. when it's shrouded in secrecy and away from the american public i think it's a disservice. once the american public knows about what the government is doing how it's approved that debate is important to have in this society. >> ayman mohyeldin you're going to be poring over it. we'll be coming to you throughout the course of the day. thank you. a live look right now at the senate floor. a look at the upper chamber. that's where diane feinstein, the head of the senate intel committee which is releasing the torture report she's set to speak in just a few minutes. we're told roughly 11: 15. while the report has created many riffs in washington, it
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again we're just a few minutes away now from senate intelligence committee diane feinstein taking to the senate floor where she's expected to reveal the details of her committee's finding on the cia's enhanced interrogations program in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. that will also be when that report is expected to be released to the public. we're told it's roughly 450-500 pages summary of sorts. the report some 6,000 pages. i want to bring in the director of the aclu national security project. from a legal perspective here what happens once those report is released and does that outweigh some of the security
concerns that we're hearing from some lawmakers? >> well, when the report is released, we will have i hope revitalized national conversation about the extent to which the cia is a lawless agency that needs to be reigned in about restoration of checks and balances as well as a conversation about the consequences of torture. and the kinds of security threats that are being discussed, i think one thing we need to keep in mind is that we don't give, you know terrorists veto power over what the american public should know about what was done in its name. and as a reminder when the republican senate had hearings on the torture by the military and we were able to have more of a national kvgts. that was at the height of the iraq and afghan wars. >> while we were chatting here we got some sound in from
senator feinstein as she makes her way to the senate floor. let's take a listen again. this is moments ago coming into the news room. >> that we can examine mistakes and remedy them. and that really is the hallmark of a great and just society. so anything could happen so -- because of the change in the senate --? >> so you're doing this at this time because you're going to lose the chairmanship? >> no. i'm not saying that. i'm just saying it's obviously a factor here. there are a lot of factors you weigh. this hasn't been an easy decision to move ahead. i'll make that clear.
diane feinstein saying she doesn't put a great deal of stock into the claim that release of the report is going to trigger wide spread violence. quickly, i want to ask you about the piece that was in the times this morning. the suggestion from the aclu that some members be pardoned. what would that do? pardoning individuals who were connected to torture? the main point is to say there's very little difference between what the obama administration measures is doing now, which is to provide immunity to torturers and a full pardon. we think that approach immunity for torture is indefensible and we're looking forward to a national conversation on accountability. >> hina shamsi it appears the
national conversation is about to start in minutes. thank you so much. the torture report one of the topics that our own jose diaz-balart will be asking president obama about when he sits down with him for the one-on-one interview later today. it will air at 6:30 eastern on telemundo then jose will have all the interview tomorrow morning here on "the rundown." that's going to wrap up this edition of the rundown. i'm craig melvin in for jose diaz-balart. up next on "newsnation," in minutes diane feinstein expected to unveil her panel's controversial cia torture report. live coverage continues next. time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. gabriel wanted funding for washington cycle laundry. but he he had a huff time getting investors to take the philadelphia company seriously. he made some money, and soon
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committee chairwoman taking senate floor. he'll unveil the highly anticipated and controversial report on the cia's use of torture to gather intelligence in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. what we know right now the report is six years in the making, the full classified report 6700 pages long. what will be released as a 500-page summary. some redacted. plus minority views by republicans disputing certain findings by the democratic majority on the intelligence committee. in anticipation of the report's release, u.s. embassyies and military bases throughout the middle east and elsewhere are bracing for violence. in addition crisis response units including some 2,000 marines are on heightened alert right now. those who read the report they say that accuses three cia directors and their deputies of lying to congress, the white house, and the american people. it cites