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>> obama has plans to make cuba more libre. >> it's a bold move and i think it's an good move. >> it's a good move in my opinion. >> barack obama is the worst negotiator we've had as president. >> president obama has shown such good wisdom and political courage. >> i'm thrilled today. >> come on, frank. is 24r nothing this lunatic won't heal with compassion? >> have the self-proclaimed guardians of peace just won a cyberwar? >> what will be the federal government's next move. >> the most damaging cyber attack in history. >> the u.s. is vowing a response. >> we regard this as a very serious attack>> it's virtually certain this attack was ordered by north korea. >> the studio cancels the revees of "the interview." >> thank you for being here despite the threat from the korean hackers. thank you so much. >> it really sets a dangerous precedent. >> we have to find ways of pushing back.
>> actively have to consider a range of alternatives. >> shutting down movie theatres, that's pretty scary. tonight, the bush administration is trying to come up with a proportional response to the attack on sony pictures. >> as the members of the national security team meet to dit kus this matter, they are considering a range of options. as we would be in any scenario, strategic scenario like this, they would be mindful of the fact that we need a proportional response. and also mindful of the fact that sophisticated actor, when they carry out actions like this are often times, they're not us a, but often seeking to provoke a response from the united states of america. >> government officials have said they believe the north
korean regime ordered the cyberattack on sony. a north korean defector told rueter about the cyber cell, bureau 121 which he says has 1,800 agents in countries through the world. today, john mccain said this. the cyber attack is the latest in a and troubling list of attempts from iranian to russian attacks to china's orchestrated campaign to still military secrets from our defense contractors. the administrator's failure to deter adversaries will continue to embolden those seeking to harm the united states throughout cyberspace. and senator lindsey graham said, cyberterrorism is increasingly becoming the weapon of choice for rogue regimes and terrorist organizations. the commander-in-chief should immediately put our enemies on notice that they conduct these
attack against our nation and interests at their own peril. we should make it clear to our adversaries that when they attack our american kpaens and government institution, they will be held accountable. unfortunately these latest attacks highlight our nation's vulnerabilities, modernizing our cyber laws and working to protect our national interest against cyber terrorism should be a top priority for congress in the coming here. it's long overdue. joining me now is a former north korean analyst for the cia. also joining me is victor chah, author of "the impossible state." lindsey graham tried to insinuate the obama administration is responsible for this because they're not doing as good a job defending against cyber attacks as bush has done. is there any evidence for that? that somehow the nsa during the obama administration and the cia
during the obama administration have relaxed about this and they were better than this? >> i don't think there's any kind of evidence. i don't think that's a fair point to make. i think north korean problem has been a ongoing problem the last 20 years. spans from the clinton years to bush years to obama years. this is not a fair criticism, i would say. >> what do you suppose the reaction is tonight among the north korean regime? is this a victory for them at this point? >> yeah, unfortunately i think they're pretty happy. their objective was to get this movie pulled anticipate they were successful in doing that. they demonstrated a cyber capability that was more sophisticated than previous attacks they used in south korea against businesses and against media companies. admittedly, it's pretty obvious, they had a soft target in sony gwynn the way that sony caved to these attacks. but, you know, i think if this
was their objective, to try to show they have this capability and to take down this movie, i don't see how they weren't successful. it's unfortunate, but true. >> dprchlt terry, i know who -- how we defend the united states in terms of an actual military attack. we have the army, we have the air force, we have the machines, we know what kind of weapons will be used and have been built to defend this country against military attack. what is the defense system we have against cyber attack? is the nsa in effect our army defending us against cyber attack? >> i'm really not sure how we can defend against this kind of attack. this is exactly why regimes like north korea is resorting to provocation through this kind to have means. it's also difficult to point exactly where the source is coming from.
so i think this is why north korea has decided to do this. >> your reaction about the defector who tells us there's 1,800 north korean agents around the world woorking on this. >> i think that's ballpark probably right. there's also about apparently 6,000 cyberwarriors who are trained in north korea. >> working in north korea? >> working inside north korea, working to train to conduct cyberattacks. >> based on a lot of commentary that's gone on prior to yesterday for about a week, i was hearing about what turned out to be a lot of underestimating about the capacity of north korea to do something like this.
and the other thing i would like you to comment on is they made good, the people doing this made good on every single threat they made over the last three weeks or so. what is your sense on their threat to bomb or attack movie theatres. do you think that's something they were able to do? like everything else they promised to do and did do? >> no, i don't think on the threats to bomb movie theatres, i don't think that was a credible threat at all. they could carry the other threats because they had the other data. have we underestimated their cybercapabilities? it's hard to say because we knew so little about it. but based on the attacks they took, pretty basic malware attacks they took in companies in south korea in the past couple of years, there wasn't
any real evidence that they could do much beyond that. in this unit 121 and so called reconnaissance bureau, the rgb within the stricture of the north korean state. we know they've been cultivating this capability. it hasn't been to the level, at least from what i understand from the public domain, it has not been to the level that we've seen in the case of sony this time. so in that sense, yeah, it's fair to say that we were surprised by this action, this attack. >> what was your reaction to the threat they made to movie theatres if they ran this movie? >> it would be ridiculous. they threaten against south korean government to turn south korea into a sea of fire. this is completely not credible. they don't have that kind of capability in the united states.
>> what is it they don't have? the people to do it? >> they don't. >> it's easy to do. timothy mcveigh showed it's very easy -- >> but north korea is very different from terrorist organization like al qaeda. it's not ideological, it's not suicidal. they don't have north korea terrorist cells inside the united states. this was just empty threat they used to like to make. they mack these kinds of threats all the time. sop sony has grossly overreacted here in terms of the movie. >> what would be a proportional response, what they're work on in the white house? >> well, a couple of things. the first is they need to frame this as a national security threat, not because sony is central to u.s. national security because this act against sony demonstrates an asymmetric cyber capability that
matches up to the other capabilities that the north koreans are developing in terms of ballistic missiles, nuclear weapons, chemical and biological weapons. they have a very comprehensive strategy at developing these asymmetric capabilities, so we have to look at this as a national security threat. what do you do on top of that? there's the criminal investigation and i imagine law enforcement authorities will try to locate whoever did this and try to bring them indicts against them. and then there's cooperation with other partners and allies in the region. you know, we have a cyber working group with the south koreans, in cooperation with japan and my guess is we're going to step up that cooperation at a higher level with greater frequency and tempo to try to find a way to work together to combat and defend against future cyberattack against north korea. but as sue said, it's going to be very hard. they were successful now. and unless we build defenses,
robust defenses, they're going to be successful again. >> one more last word on that threat to the theatres. from your experience working in the cia, studying north korea, you didn't take it seriously. why then did the fbi specifically warn theatre operators about this threat? >> well, fbi i believe conveyed that message, but fbi didn't say this threat was credible. they came out saying it's not credible. president obama said 350e78 people, go watch movies. >> that was the early sequence. but after the president said that, the fbi contacted movie theatres saying they believed there was a real threat here. they changed it over 24 hours. >> well, i'm not sure lind what information the fbi -- >> could it also have been that their interpretation was that your movie theatre chain might then get hacked and attacked as opposed to some explosive -- >> i think you're probably right on that.
i just can't imagine north korea blowing up an american movie theatre. they would have to face serious retaliation for that and i don't think they're ready for that. >> thank you for joining me tonight. >> thank you. coming up, he was the youngest person in america to be executed. now 70 years later, a form of justice for george stinney jr. and republican presidential candidates are scrambling to react to president obama's cuba policy. and stephen colbert says goodbye tonight. we look back at the nine glorious years of the "colbert report." please, please, please, please, please. [ male announcer ] the wish we wish above all...is health. so we quit selling cigarettes in our cvs pharmacies. expanded minuteclinic, for walk-in medical care. and created programs that encourage people to take their medications regularly. introducing cvs health. a new purpose. a new promise... to help all those wishes come true.
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has thrown a hot issue into the republican presidential campaign field. rand paul staked out the boldest possible position for a potential republican candidate, agreeing with president obama. the others stuck to traditional republican pandering on the subject. jeb bush said, cuba is a dictatorship with a disastrous human rights record, and now president obama has rewarded those dictators. ted cruz said this -- >> this is yet another tragic mistake. it is the latest manifestation of the failures of the obama-clinton-kerry-ford policy. >> and marco rubio vowed to prevent the president's opening of an embassy and selecting an ambassador to cuba in any way he can. >> this president has proven today his foreign policy is more than just naive, it is willfully ignorant of the way the world
truly works. >> the pro embargo republican candidates will not just be running against president obama's position on cuba, they will also be running against the pope's position, which not surprisingly is very popular among latino-american voters. and normalizing relations is also popular among cuban-american voters. polling shows 56% of americans support normalizing relations with cuba. with 62% support from latino-americans nationally, among all cuban-americans in florida, that number rises to 68% supporting normalizing relations with cuba. with 88% of cuban-americans under the age of 30 supporting normalizing relations. joining me now is eugene robinson, columnist for "the washington post" and an msnbc political analyst. he's also the author of the book "last dance in havana." and from havana tonight, the co-author of the book "back channel to cuba" the hidden
story of negotiations between washington and havana. and the former white house director of hispanic media. william leo grand in havana tonight, what has been the reaction in cuba today among the people you've been able to talk to or observe? >> well, there's a feeling as if a war has come to an end. and many cubans specifically talk about how important it was for barack obama to normalize diplomatic relations, because they feel it was a gesture of respect, a willingness on the part of the united states to finally treat cuba as an equal partner. the other reaction has been one of hope that the relaxation of the embargo will improve their standard of living. >> the opponents of president obama's action all say that they are arguing for what's best for the cuban people, the people living in cuba.
and none of them actually consult with the cuban people on what they think is best for them. >> well, i think it's hard to argue that what's best for the cuban people is the status quo that has kept them basically isolated from the world for the last 50 years. i think what the president is doing is important, because it's actually going to enable the flow of information, communications, technology, that's going to help them take ownership over their own future. and by no means does this mean the president is not going to be critical on human rights. i think where the opponents get this wrong is that the president has the same goal of upholding and defending democratic values. he just has a better way to go about it that's actually going to make it possible to rally the region and perhaps the world in support of that, as opposed to having a policy that becomes a magnet of opposition. >>'ll eugene robinson, most of the supporters of the embargo forever, that republican crowd mostly at this point, they are all unified also in never going to cuba.
so they are talking about a place that on a very fundamental level they actually don't know what they're talking about. they know what they've read and they know what people who used to live there a long time ago have told them about it, but they never have had the experience you have had of being in cuba, of studying the culture closely and ultimately writing a book about it as you and bill leo grand have done. what are they missing by not having gone there? >> this is not the cuba of 1959, obviously. you see the pictures of the old cars and everything. well, yes, you see the old cars there, but you also see mercedes and a lot of kias. you know, cuba has evolved. cuba has changed. the castros are still there. that seems unlikely to change in the short term. certainly seems unlikely to change by the policy of 54 years. people who basically refuse to go there and don't understand the extent to which the u.s. policy is a central argument
that the castro regime makes for its repression. unfortunately, we can't allow freedom of assembly and expression, freedom of the press and freedom to form political parties because, well, we have this aggressive hegemonic neighbor to the north. look at the blockade. look at everything they have done to sabotage the cuban revolution. that sound laughable perhaps, but it's not laughable in cuba. and that is literally almost every speech you've heard out of the castros for a long, long time. it comes back to that theme. the fact that they're willing now to give that up actually suggesting to me that they rather desperately want the
improve of political and economic relations. >> william, you wrote a book about back channels to cuba from the united states trying to advance policy in various ways over the decades. now that we know what we know about the pope's involvement and the way the back channel was run in this case, what would be your assessment of how president obama handled it? >> well, i think it was handled extraordinarily well. the negotiations apparently went on for 13 months and there was no leak about it. there were rumors in washington and here in havana that something was about to happen over the last couple of weeks. but to keep secret negotiations of this scope for that long is really an achievement. in the past, the pope has played a role in helping the two countries come together. third countries like canada have played a reel in the past. they look very much like some negotiations of the past.
what was really different, though, is the scope and breadth of what president obama has done. never before has a president been this bold in really changing the entire framework of the relationship and saying, we are moving now a policy of hostility and regime change to a policy of engagement and tearing down all the economic and diplomatic barriers that have stood between these two countries for more than 50 years. >> it is technically not easily legal for so-called tourists to go to cuba, but over the last few years, so many methods have been set up for what is in effect tourists to go to cuba. i have a friend of mine, who is an accountant down in havana right now for the jazz festival going on down there. and i think he went under the auspices of some kind of culture
sharing program. a lot of americans fly from mexico and then take a flight from mexico to cuba. they don't get their passports stamped in cuba. they do it in a technically illegal way and they don't get called on it when they're coming back into the united states. so this is in many ways formalizing things and legalizing things that have been going on for many years. >> they end up being guided by the cuban government into the businesses and schedules of what they want. what it does is actually keeps people from visiting individual restaurants owned by entrepreneurs or staying at someone's particular home. they have to stay at these state-sanctioned hotels. what this is going to do is actually going to enable people to spread out, get to know more hue been as and not go to the hot spots. the politics of this have really changed. marco rubio and jeb bush might still be stuck in 1949 on this one, but the reality is the politics have evolved to the
point where you're hearing mostly positive reaction to this, even among the cuban-american community in miami. a cuban-american man in little havana is saying i just want to know what took so long. in the case of marco rubio really being hypocrite call, he voted for the ambassador to china. he sent a senior staffer on a junket to china, paid for by the really being hypocrite call, he voted for the ambassador to china. he sent a senior staffer on a junket to china, paid for by the communist chinese government and when he was asked about it by the press, defended it by saying it sometimes you have to engage with these regimes to advance america's interests. that's what's happening here. we have to engage with them if we're going to have a real chance in advancing human rights and uphold our democratic values. >> quickly before we go, the presidential politics of this, hillary clinton says she
supports president obama's choices here. rand paul agrees with hillary clinton and president obama. the other republican potential candidate seems to be lining up in the traditional, you know, the kind of rhetoric that supporters of the embargo want to hear. >> i think opposition to this is a losing proposition. you cited the polls at the beginning of the segment. this is just something that makes sense to most americans. it certainly makes sense to the business community. every time i went down there, i saw a representative from the louisiana rice growers association or whatever down there just itching to get into that market. in the long run, i think trying to stand in the way of the freight train is a bad idea. >> in's much more going on then a the embargo forever crowd admits. thank you all for joining me tonight.
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>> in the spotlight tonight, justice 70 years too late. on june 16, 1944, a five foot tall 95-pound 14-year-old boy snamed george stinney jr. was put to death in the electric chair by the state of south carolina after being convicted of killing two young white girls. an all-white, all-male jury decided george's fate after a one-day trial and ten minutes of deliberation. we don't know exactly what was presented to this jury of 12 men because no transcript of the trial exists. police testified that george stinney had confessed, but no written confession exists. after his conviction, no appeal was made andless than three months after the murder, george stinney became the youngest person in american history to be put to death. "the washington post" reports the electric chair's straps were too big for his frail body. newspapers at the time reported he had to sit on books to reach the headpiece. and when the switch was flipped, the convulsions knocked down the large mask, exposing his tearful face to the crowd.
yesterday, 70 years after his execution, a south carolina circuit judge exonerated george stinney jr., writing, the circumstances serving as the impetus for the motion now before the court are indicative of a truety unfortunate episode in our history. from time to time, we are called to look back to examine our still recent history and correct injustice where it possible. i can think of no greater injustice than a violation of one's constitutional rights, which has been proven to me in this case by prepond resistance of the evidence. i find the preponderance of the evidence standard, that a violation of his due process right tainted his prosecution. i hereby vacate the defendant's conviction. joining me now, msnbc's joy reid. joy, you've been studying this
case. and it is one of the real horrors of our judicial past. >> yeah. it actually was the most horrible and chilling case that i was involved in during my time as managing editor of "the grio." we heard about the story and we were commissioned to write the piece. i had nightmare, just seeing that little boy's face. the facts you write were chilling. in small mill town a seg rated town where his parents and brother and father had to leave the town for fear of lynching. so he was all alone, but for one or two visits from his mother when he spent those two months in that jail cell with another man who spent time the jail cell with him who testified that he said why do they want to kill me for something i didn't do. i just imagine my own two boys who are teenagers and that age. it was so heart breaking. i literally had nightmares on this case.
>> in these kinds of judicial opinion, it's very rare that you can feel the feelings. and this judge, you can feel the judge's horror about this. >> yeah, and this said something about a particularized moment in american history that you wish was isolated to this one case but the idea of all-white jury, of people being railroaded for crimes he didn't commit. he tried to help the police find these two little girls. they had seen the two little girls ride by on their bike and tried to help. they say we saw them going to pick wild flowers. and based on them being the last person to see them, they focused on them. they offered him ice cream to try to get him to confess. there was no justice possible. even if he was an adult.
>> and he could be alive today. he could be 84 today. there are kids at that time who lived long lives. >> ion colluding his siblings. his brother who we interviewed who lives in brooklyn who talked about losing his big brother. there were a year and a half apart. they were the closest of any of the siblings. and having to live with that, his family, all of these years that they've gotten old and he just remains young and he remains that horrible picture staring into the camera, you know, inmate 206 forever. and it's really -- it is a haunting story. but this is what america was in 1944 in the south. >> and there's been either a loss or a denial from some people who react shocked to the eric garner case in new york. they seem to not understand the connections here.
>> and i've been thinking a lot about that issue, that you're talking about, lawrence. and i think that one of the reasons why we have such a disconnect on race in this country is that in general, speaking very broadly, white america looks at race as a continuum of progress. and they look at the progress and they say see, things are better, if, for instance, barack obama gets elected. black america looks through race through our lived experience day to day and looks at race from the standpoint of living it day to day and the experiences of people like us. so when you see an eric garner, you identify with that because it's part of your own lived experience. black america is not able to see the country as perfected as sometimes white america does. >> joy reid, thank you very much for your reporting on this. >> coming up, in "the rewrite" an amazing example of pandering on the cuban embargo.
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>> and another hint, it was not this guy. fidel castro massively exploited the embargo for his own political benefit. castro was also able to point to the embargo as the complete explanation for every difficulty that the cuban population felt every day. though most of their problems were the result of castro's crude dictatorship and his complete ignorance of modern economics. now, remember the quiz question. it is, who said this -- the embargo doesn't work. it is a failed policy. if we think engagement works well with china, well, it ought to work well with cuba. obviously a lot of people say that but those words were said by a prominent republican who also said this about the embargo. i think it's become more of a crutch for castro to use to repress his people. all the problems he has he blames the american embargo. the republican who said that wasn't so prominent in 2002 when
he spoke those actual words and since then, his argument has only gotten stronger because we've had another 12 years of the embargo not working. remember, supporters of the embargo say that it will eventually topple the castro regime. that is their definition of the embargo working. the embargo will drive the castro brothers right out of power. the republican who said the embargo doesn't work knows that that's impossible. but at the time, his political career depended on winning votes in a state that borders canada. he never had to think about winning votes in florida, but as soon as he did have to think about winning votes in florida, he stood up at a cuban restaurant in miami and said this -- >> i learned from these friends, from mario, from lincoln, from iliana, just how brutal the castro regime is, just how this president's policy of appeasement is not working.
they've given me a great education, lots of us in congress, about how we need to clamp down on the castro regime. and let me tell you this, in a mitt romney administration, we will not keep practicing this policy of appeasement. we will be tough on this cruel dictator. all it has done is reward more despotism. and we will help the pro democracy groups. we will be tough on castro and chavez. and it's because we know that that's the right policy for our country. >> notice that paul ryan didn't say the embargo is working. that's what makes this an exquisite bit of rhetorical
pandering. it has the key phrases that castro haters want to hear. you can think that fidel castro was a brutal dictator, as pull ryan and i do, and at the same time, think that the embargo doesn't work. as paul ryan and i do. paul ryan's pandering was perfect because it did not directly contradict anything he had actually said before. paul ryan knew there was no rational economic or foreign policy case to make for the embargo, and so he didn't. but what did his pandering on the embargo win him? that rhetorical pandering? well, he was re-elected to his house seat in wisconsin where no one cared about what he said about the embargo. and he was on the bottom half of the losing presidential ticket in florida where, as it turned out, not enough people cared about his pandering for the cuban-american vote, including cuban-americans. yesterday, democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton endorseds president obama's policy and jeb bush condemned it. the benefactors of president obama's ill advised moves will be the castro brothers.
they're a dictatorship and now president obama has rewarded those dictators well, like paul ryan before him, at least jeb didn't say the embargo is working. patrick appears on talk shows regularly where he takes calls from listeners. this is what happened on his final radio show as governor. ib, she wanted to stay in bed forever. downy. surround yourself with three times the softening.
patrick appears on talk shows regularly where he takes calls from listeners. this is what happened on his final radio show as governor. >> hello? >> hello, you're on, sir. yes. you're on with governor duvall patrick. >> governor, this is barack obama, formerly of somerville. i've been -- >> come on. >> i've got a few complaints about service in and around the
neighborhood. but i've moved down south since that time. >> you're kidding, mr. president? >> i want to check in with the governor. >> who is this impersonator. you're very good. >> i want to find out how it is that you got massachusetts so strong and moving in the right direction? up next, a very fond farewell to "the colbert report." ♪
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>> my guest tonight is show of msnbc's "the last word." please welcome lawrence o'donnell! lawrence, nice to see you. thank you so much for coming on. >> good to be here. >> wow are we going to miss that guy. tonight, stephen colbert hosts his final episode of "the colbert report." here's a look back at nine glorious years, beginning with the very first night. >> you're looking at a straight shooter, america. i tell it like it is, i calls them like i sees them. i will speak to you in plain, simple english. and that brings us to tonight's word. truthiness.
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report" is like being in the witness relocation program. >> you know, 2012 is just around the corner. and pundits are falling over themselves to handicap the race. will the gop choose mitt romney, sarah palin, or just a gun with a flag pin? >> he was talking about planned parenthood being a great provider where women can get blood pressures and checks and pap smears -- >> which you can get at walgreens. >> exactly. >> exactly. you can get a pap smear on a breast exam at walgreens. i think they're between the swifters and the cat food. just look for the stirrupps. i was gratified to see even the things i said about muslims, i received a crick from arab-american viewer suq madiq. >> in support of mitt romney, i'm making dressage the official colbert report sport of the summer.
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>> nation, as you know, i, stephen colbert, have never cared for our president. >> i'm ending my show. i have to, jon. don't beg me to stay. there's no mountain left for me to climb. it's become clear to me that i've won television. >> the real stephen colbert, whoever he is, will return in 2015 as the host of "the late show." up next, chris hayes hosts an all in america special. "hardball" starts right now. the pirates of pyongyang. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. who stole my mail? who killed my movie?