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the right. naughty and nice after a tough year, but one that's ending surprisingly well. i'll take it. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. wishing you and your family a merry christmas and the happiest of hol dwas. "all in" with chris hayes" starts right now. >> now, the good news. >> the economy enters beast mode. >> the bdow officially topping 18,000. the average price for a gallon of gas plunges. >> we get the unemployment rate down to 6%, perhaps a little lower. >> i believe we can get gasoline down to somewhere between $2, 2:50 a gallon and that would be an enormous thing. >> tonight, a closer look at the roaring obama economy.
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>> sony releases course and will give you the interview at select theaters. and a look back at the silver linings for the terrible, horrible, almost no good year that was 2014. tonight, good news for the holidays. the kbrosz do megsic product rose 5% in the third quarter of 2014. that's the strongest groit rate since 2003. the dow jones industrial average hitting record highs today. consumer spending koblted to make solid gains.
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culminating in 321,000 new jobs since last moment. now, all of this good economic news is coming at the time of the year when economic activity is most intense and consumer comforts is key. also, when it can be particularly useful to look back at traditions. this economy has defied a lot of the predictions of doom and gloom that have been made. start with what obamacare means for jobs. >> obamacare is killing jobs. and if jobs is the priority, then we're going to have to replace obamacare. >> obamacare has been a huge job killer. >> the health care bill has massive tax increases on individuals and employers that will cost us jobs. >> increasing taxes and destroying jobs in america. >> i don't know about effort. i think it's going to put any lipstick on this pig. >> president obama now tracks 12 million new jobs dpraet creates
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on his watch. by contrast, there were just over 1 million jobs created by president george w. bush's two terms. president obama's critics also says including letting the bush tax cuts expire on the highest incomes would lead to a massive slowdown in economic growth. >> if you raise taxes on the so-called rich, you actually slow the economy. >> the obama economy is produ producing slow economic growth. >> obama's tax increase could bring economic growth to a standstill. zero growth. >> if you want to put those people to work, put pro-growth policies, not socialism in police station. >> fair point. today, the wall street journal, not exactly a hot bed of socialism, acknowledge theist economy now looks stronger than it has 234in more than a decade. >> the energy policy specifically and his supposed gas expense.
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>> what's frustrating is they've gone through great lengths to make oil and gas more expensive. >> he wanted higher gas prices and he got them. it's essential both for our economy and for our security to get back to an american energy program that is designed to maximize our own production. the opposite of obama. >> today, gas prices are so low, about 2:38 a gallon per average than the none-only newt gingrich is tweeting a picture. >> it is kind of striking how, i mean, in another context, how, if the kind of topline economic numbers, if you were to go out and give a power point or you were running and you wanted to put a five-minute speech together as a pet shl candidate, you would be absloutly happy with. >> the economy has been growing for five years, but it hasn't felt like that from those people. now, we're getting the economic growth that shows up in the
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lives of the the middle and lower income of americans. the average american ho e household consumes 12 million gallons a year. that's serious money. >> yeah, that's a hundred bucks a month. that's no joke. >> yes, and people go out and spend that money and it's leading to self-sustaining economic growth. new car sales are finally back. we're finally building more than a million new homes a year. we've got over 500,000 in jobs. >> every time you walk in the bidding, there's always a big problem which is all of these topline numbers look great, but then there's this chart which is the key to understanding the politics to this, the key to understanding the president's approval. the light blue there is the income gains are the bottom 90%.
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the dark blue is the to 10%. you see where the rich are getting most of the gains? something happened we've never seen before. not only -- it's not the rich got most of the gains, they got all plus over a hundred per cent of the gains because people on the bottom rack were losing money. >> right. and this's for 2012. i think if we were able to look at it right now, we'd see a different number. we've seen this thing the last few months. there are a lot of job openings that employers right-hand turn filling because they can't find people for jobs for the wages that they're offering. eventually, they're going to have to offer higher wages. and that's going to mean more income wages. >> that's a really interesting
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question. it's a high stakes question, right? which is there's some broken distribution in the economy or is it just we continue to have slack. we have slack, we have slack, we have slack. as we start to come up against real -- we're not a full employment, but something that looks kosher to it. >> right. we're not a full employment, but we may be there in a year. it's actually within sight and we need to be thinking about what kinds of policies a government has. it's just, like, getting anybody to spend. get anybody into a job. we're almost running to a point where we're not going to need that. i think the question will figure out obviously both of those things that you described are true. >> huge. >> they have been up nemployed r years and don't have skills to go to. >> and there's a real problem with what we call household formation. that's still a real obstacle. we feel seen a slow down in people basically leaving their parents' homes, there's indication of student dead e
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debt, but that also has to pick up. >> one interesting thing with that recovery in housing, by the way, is that construction of sick e single family homes is still pretty weak. they're saying i saw wland in the last crash. i don't want to put all of my money in a home and risk losing it again. we're seeing those rental apartments getting bimt. you are seeing this show up in optimistic polling. that first chart you saw, it doesn't matter what the dow is. it doesn't matter what the tough unemployment number is. what matters is real wage group. do i think i'll have more money in my pocket. i also think if we are a year from now where you're saying we're going to be, the politics of everything flip around. we know this from political science.
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a year from now could look very different if we're in a place that you suggest we might be. >> right. you have this democratic pelt with a republican congress that hates him, seems like you're not going to get anything done. the last few years looked like that. the people remember that as a period thaft was actually prett productive on e on foreign policy. the economy was so strong, there's so much must be to money to throw around, it was easy to find stuff e stuff to do together. >> that's interesting. one last note, and i don't even have to have a discussion about this. but just an acountability moment. obama's radicalism is killing the dow just so that we'd keep everybody in mind. obama showing the chart rise of the doubt from march 6th, 2009 to today. i heap you're watching, michael,
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just a reminder. you were very rong e wrong. extremely wrong. . another prediction republicans have gotten wrong is how obamacare is going to lead to dramatically higher premiums. th that just has not happened. instead, premiums have increased at a low rate. nonpartisan congressional budget process came closer to prediblgting that one. we want to get rid of almondorf. replace the e how the government calculates policy. dean, i've of two minds. i get very suspect when i see people say an institution in washington isn't plilt kal.
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i go for my wallet whenever someone tells me something isn't political. i feel like someone is trying to get something over on me. but it does seem to me that the ceo has done a pretty good job producing quality numbers. >> first off, i would agree that it's not political in the sense that doug and the past heads of krerks,o have been good and not sort of narrowly answered. but i think you can take some issue with the quality of the numbers. you're mentioning obamacare. that've consistently overestimated the kogs of obamacare. now, that gives president obama the opportunity to say, look, we did better than projected. on the other hand, when they were looking to push through the bill, when they were talking about it before it was actually implemented, the fact that you could point to c.e.o. numbers that wasn't very good wasn't very helpful. i can mention other things. they assumed a much higher job loss.
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and to take a really big thing, they grossly underestimated the sell rare e verity of the recession and the quickness of the bounce back which was not helpful when you're talking about pushing stimulus. >> so the question becomes, okay, maybe almondorf should go. do you trust the kind of nonpolitical nature, the nonpartisan nature of this institution. which is meant to preserve policy. >> their motivation is to get rid of that nonpartisan aspect. so that i don't have any doubts about what their motivation is. doug is an honest guy. i don't know him real well, i know him a little bit. he's making mistakes. the people they get in you know, if they're looking to get rid of doug, it's not because they've made the criticisms that i just made. that's not a good story. >> we went through one round of
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sort of number cooking. it sort of lost the history a little bit. but it was a big policy debate of the earlier yearings of the bush administration. and the numbers were blatantly cooked. if you brought that inside the cbo, that would be a real problem. >> it's a mixed story. i would have to hope that you and others in the media are saying look, you guys are hacks. we have any number of peter peterson front organize gags eization saying we have to cut social security, get rid of medicare whatever it might be. i'm not sure that that would be quiet a e a e as bad as a story. they were saying that the unemployment rate couldn't get below 6% would e without causing spiraling inflation. and people like me were saying no, that's not true. great. who gar e cares about you.
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well, cbo says -- cbo was completely wrong. >> if called, will you serve as head of ceo? >> i'd love to see that one. >> i would love to see the universe in which dean baker was the head. quickly, the numbers that josh and i was just disz cussing, are you in line with the basic contours? it seems like we're coming up to the end of the slack and it looks like genuine gains for ordinary working people. if you take a three month avera average, wage growth was somewhat slower than it had been over the prior year. now, maybe we'll see december, january look good again, but making any strong statements about one month of wage growth,
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that's just bad judgment. >> dean baker, thank you for joining us. >> when it comes to the prl e criminal justice system and the deadly force of policing, that's next. next. bla blamg blamg new full lash bloom mascara from easy, breezy, beautiful covergirl which means it's timeson for the volkswagen sign-then-drive event. for practically just your signature, you could drive home for the holidays in a german-engineered volkswagen. like the sporty, advanced new jetta... and the 2015 motor trend car of the year all-new golf. if you're wishing for a new volkswagen this season... just about all you need is a finely tuned... pen. get zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first month's payment on select new volkswagen models.
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. how's gop taking the holiday news to a whole new level this year. you may remember the friday after thanksgiving, they chose to release their findings of the report on the berks enghazi scandal which essentially said there is no benghazi scandal. today, two days before christmas, when no one is paying attention, rep sentive daryl isa released a report showing no link over the mistreatment and heightened scrutiny of some conservative groups. so nothing on benghazi and the irs, so perhaps daryl isa could have saved a lot of trouble and
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just held the hearings when no one was paying attention. e e
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. as new york continues to grieve, the mayor led a moment of silence marking the exact minute when the assailant opened fire into the officer's patrol car. deblasio hold e cacalls for hea divided city. >> i just want everyone to think what can we do to help those families. what can we do to move forward together. it feels tremendously feign lly right now, but it's always
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darkest before the dawn. these families want a city filled with peace and unity. it's our job to create that. to support them and work for a better day. >> individuals for the slain officers, including the makeshift memorial that sprung up at thesighted of the shooting. the white house announcing today that vice president biden will attend the first funeral for one of the officers. raphael ramos at the request of the president. the mayor has called for a moratorium on protests until both officers have been laid to rest. some activists, what une kwif cably condemning the murders are pushing back on that request. this is a misguided response to the current situation is meant to chill the expression of free speech rights. a march organized that group shut down part of 5th eave this evening. the first protest in new york
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since the shootings took place. protesters are also tonight out in the streets of milwaukee where another shooter will not be prosecuted. manning was responding to a call unaware that two other aufrgss had already visited hamilton and then cleared hill. he then began a pat down. unlike the case of michael brown in ferguson or eric gardener, there was no grand jury. wisconsin actually passed a law requiring an independent probe where someone sddies.
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in milwaukee, the same process yielded the same annals. joining me now is wisconsin state senator lena taylor. senator, your reaction to the district toerp's office that there will be no prosecution? >> well, there's no question that myself, as well as many others, are extremely disappointed. with that result. but candidly, if i can tell you, kwerp not shocked. this is a systemic result which is one of the reasons that the legislation was drafted in a hope to be able to create a more independent process. i will tell you that the d.a. will suggest that he allowed for many experts in order to be able to come to this decision. it was eight months and, in the end period, the officer has been
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fired because of the choices that he made to pant pat down the suspect instead of or the jentle man sleeping. instead of assessing the situation in such a way that the other officers did that tlfgs such a need. the real legislation is not the i shall shoe. it really is what can we do to make sure that aural e our officers have the type of training that they need on the front lines because this, candidly, is a systemic issue. >> my question to you is we have watched these grand jury processes and many people witnessing them have come away with a sense that it's just so inherently a conflict of interest. ask a prosecutor to prosecute a member of the police force when they work together hand in love e gloef every day of the year to get con ix haves. you have this process that was passed in wisconsin, this law. what is your conclusion about that. is the idea here that, well, the process was the process that add v advocates have called for. what's your take away here?
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>> i think the first is a reassessment of the legislation is something that's happening already. milwaukee is the largest force. part of what ended up happening is some people were retired from the milwaukee pligs force. so it created maybe what still is viewed as a conflict of interest. because some of them are still getting pensions from being on the milwaukee police force. so although the legislation, i believe, was good in its effort, the question is what do we do for a place that is as large as milwaukee for investigations to be habl to happen. and, regardless of that legislation, what do we codo to address the situation so that we don't have a situation. be of the pieces that the counsel has laid out, they should be commended. that is true leadership to assess the entire situation and identify multi38 things and
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issues that should be looked up e at, unlike what the mayor saying. >> explain that, the common counsel has brought together some recommendations. my understanding is did they meet with an announcement today or yesterday with some of those recommendations? >> today. today. today and it has about five different items. off the top of my head, i don't remember each of them. but i can tell you it was basically looking at mental health training, something that the mayor had also spoke about rk making sure that all of the officers have that training. but they went even further to talk about the importance of looking at the cultural competency that has to look at the city when we mean the majority, people of color. the force is not necessary le made e made up in that way. and is there has been a break doin in police community relations. we want that to be he e healthy. they are our community. so it's important to deal with some of the breakdowns.
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community policing peace that the common counsel put in is so important so that the police can have constantly, a community's impression about what things can be done to address policing in their community. those are just some of the things that i can remember off the top of my head that the counsel wanted to do which i think is crucial. >> those are some images from last night's protests having e happening around milwaukee. state senator lena taylor, thank you so much for joining us. >> up next, i'll talk to the manager of a movie theater choosing to show the interview on christmas. don't go away. [ male announcer ] take zzzquil and sleep like...
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tonight, freedom has prevailed. those are the words of actor director seth rogan. yes, the people have spoken. sony didn't give up. the interview will be shown at theaters willing to play it christmas day. we think it's epic surrounding the saga which angered the north korean government and the story line of the assassination leader attacked. a hacking ensued possibly by the north korean, those possibly not, counter hacking ensued, possibly by the u.s. goeft but possibly not. today, sony announced it would allow the interview by theaters brave enough to show the film. even the president, who is not in between them in that photo, just to be clear, would call sony's decision to pull the film a mistake.
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the president applauds sony's decision to authorize the films. decision made by sony allows people to make their own choices about the film. we welcome that outcome. there you go. a number of small americans will get to see the interview of an assassination plot. art collins, national coalition of independent theaters all over the country. his state in michigan will be screening the interview on christmas day. i guess the first question is do you have any trepidation about the reprisals directed at you for screening the filfilm? >> it's certainly something we're thinking about. we are keeping in touch with the police officials in our community to make sure that they're supportive of what we're doing, which they have been so far. and, also, if they come across any information that would indicate that there would be some concerns, we oval shrill will act on it. i've got to think this.
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all the threats of violence seem to be not necessarily credible. they've demonstrated they certainly can hack. they are good at that. and it would probably be trivial just to mess with your whole life. i mean, if they wanted to, couldn't they come after your bank accounts? >> i suppose they could. but you're a relatively spa business. our able to recover from those things are much schismer, i think. although it would be difficult, but much simpler than a large corporation like sony. and i don't think i have really nasty e-mails out there, but you never know. >> so here's a question. do you talk to sony about this. you pull the film under durress.
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they've kind of converted this into an art house independent film release. what was your indication like with them about doing it through this channel? >> well, our initial communication was a post that just supported the employees of sony. it's a very difficult time that they've experienced the last three weeks. we worked with sony employees and their life has been very difficult recently. not having e-mail or telephone or access to their own files. so we posted a sympathetic and emp thet empathetic letter to them. we said hey, if independent cinemas can do anything to help, if that would be screening the film, we would be happy to consider that. we've got a lot of positive response from the art house convergence theelters which is a loose association of independent
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centers in north america. >> is this movie going to be good? >> i haven't seen it. i guess rotten tomatoes has given it about a 50 p% rating. it certainly is a free speech dynamic. we saw that there e one of our colleagues, sony, was in distress. we wanted to send them a message of support. we are very concerned about freedom of speech. we said we could go ahead and do what we can to show screenings and we are happy to do it. >> we're also showing the imitation game, which is a little smarter. >> i've heard that's very goo. thank you for joining us and good luck. 2014, it was not exactly a
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dads don't take sick days, dads take nyquil. the nighttime, sniffling, sneezing, coughing, aching, fever, best sleep with a cold, medicine. well, it's two days before christmas and we're supposed to be in a festive mood because it's the holiday season. but, to be honest, it's been a pretty rough year, newswise. between the rise of isis and the middle east, deadly spread of ebola and a few moments when it looked like we might be dealing with a straight up war in europe with a nuclear power. much of this year has been spent with the anxious feeling that the world might be about to spind ospin off of its access. because a lot of good things did happen this year, we thought we'd take some time to run there e through a lot of the silver linings of 2014.
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>> all right. this morning -- i was like oh, we should do this kind of segment and then sat there looking at each other blankly. but then once we got going, we came up with some stuff. but i will save min e mine. i'm start with you. what's your first nominee for silver lining of 2014? >> the affordable care act, aka obama kaer. remember when the republicans said this is going to rip the country apart. it hant destroyed the country. health care jobs are growing, the coverage gap is getting better. more people have insurance. the coverage gap for african americans is projected to fall even more. here's the where i think lt. the wrinkle is in 2 state that is have not expanded medicate e kad.
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>> i can't tell -- obviously, this is from a human perspective. ly say this. i am genuinely surprised that it's this far in, continues to be as devicive as it probably was. i think i was wrong. i think i got the politics of the affordable care act wrong. it really is working. it's not perfect. there's a lot of things about it that are terrible. police e politically, it is a little surprising. >> but it's not. the 80% of health care costs are bourn by 20% of the people. not that many people need it in
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that way. >> and you have to sort of wait long enough for the car sell to go arnold e around where people cycle through periods. >> and that's going to take a long, long time. so e you're going to see an impact on medical bankruptcies and whatnot. it's very hard to sort of experience these things if you're not actually experiencing them. >> my question now is we're looking at the politics of affordable care act in 30 years to look like the politics of, say, medicare, which is no one can touch it. or the politics of abortion like it was devicive when rowe came down. >> i think in 30 years, we won't look at obamacare as a program. it's not one program. it's a whole bunch of policies, and even the coverage expansion comes from two very different challenge e channels. starting in 2017, states are going to be able to rip you were e up the model with their own way to cover people. i think you're going to be able to see people not think of it.
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>> it will be a thing that's there when they need it. >> i think there's been a sense that things are spinning out of control. particularly, when you're in new york, you have all of these things happening around policing and people lose sight of the fact that it's down 5% from last year, which means it's 80% down from 1990. >> this is 2009 through 2013. there is knock in my life, aside maybe from plain e plane safety, that has been a more successful rev lugsz than the insane decline of crime.
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the funny thing about this is it's in defiance from the left and the right. as incarceration rates have fallen, that hant braught an increase in crime. this is a social policy mystery. i will try to keep them non-not completely sports related after the break. the break. bloon
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back with me talking about silver linings, not putting in a press for you or anything. >> i think in the wake of what we've been experiencing this week with racial tensions, it was really nice to see minnesota roundly mock kstp for trying to make hey out of bessei for posing with an incredible activist. here we are, we've all done. and then people finding
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photographs of themselves doing it, it just made me feel really happy that a calm prevailed, especially knowing betsy. she grew up in the neighborhood that i did, in the main streets of nothing. the tough streets. >> those lutherans are out there. right. wildly. >> i just don't like it was a moment in -- >> people saw it for what it was. >> people saw it for what it was. we seem to immediately go to that fear space. immediately just create circumstances. >> none of that story -- it was basically germ najer my nated b police? they were in a battle with her and they clearly said hey, look at this, we've got this photo, right? and it's just like a reminder. police unions play for keeps, dude. >> that's a reminder this year.
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they comport themselves on a whole other level of just no holds barred. >> you can find reports of them passing around documents saying they don't want rudy gioulianna to come to their own funeral. >> the amazing thing to me right now is there's a bill waiting for governor cuomo's signing. >> over the summer, one was 90, one was 91 years old, who, after 72 years of relationship, got married together. >> that story stuck with me the
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whole year. i thought that was -- imagine to wait wait 72 years. >> for anything. >> that, to me, was sort of illustrative of what happened. it's been years in the making. but marriage equality is, basically, we're on the other side, you know. >> we hit the tipping point. >> and when it's a year after, you know, the decision and the windsor came down last year. this year was the year in which all of these district courts and the appellate courts basically said this is not constitutional. >> that's right. he predicted it and it was right. it fell like dominos. and it's basically -- there seems to be a concession on some
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level from long time opponents. almost to a point where you see it leveraged in other places. isis, you see the way they don't allow gay people to get married. >> that's exactly right. it's become an indicator of moral depravity. the persecution of gay people has now become a human rights violation for people that conservatives want you to hate. >> i going to give one of my nominees an awesome montage of her acting in an incredible way right after this break. right after this break. new meta health bars help promote heart health. experience the meta effect with our new multi-health wellness line. ♪
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we are wac. back. starting with the rise of isis into ebola was this sort of cloud of fear that seemed to kind of roll over the american populous. and my surprise and disappointment with how easily it seemed like the fear switch got flipped, oh, my god, we've got to be terrified of all of these thingsings all of these threats, the people refuse to bow to it. some of the amazing families of the americans murdered by isis who sort of showed incredible grace and defiance. but, also, this nurse, cas casi hiccok. she was such a bad ass. exposing herself to ebola, comes back and this grand stabding governor, chris christie sticks
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her in this completely medically unnecessary isolation chamber. she basically says i'm going to sue you, he says fine, you can leave. she goes back to maine where the governor says you can't leave your house. you're quarantined. she says oh, yeah? just take a look at this. >> good morning, can rolg. kaci hickok just left her home. >>. sh e. >> she went fr a bike ride with her boyfriend this mother-in-lawing. >> they just jumped on the bikes and they were off. >> wild day you decide to do it? >> you know, because we wanted to just enjoy this beautiful day. >> why do you wear a helmet? >> this is something my parter in and i like to do. since we've moved here, this has been our trail. all right, guys, thank you so much. >> kaci and her boyfriend returned from a bike ride. >> did they stop you? >> they did not. >> hickox is not staying inside
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of of her home. >> there's no legal action against me. i'm free to go on a bike ride. >> she is not behaving like a professional. >> a very immature, selfish behavior. squl . >> i'm not sure why someone who is such a humanitarian in weltz africa becomes sort of not a humanitarian when they come back home. >> in that very crowded area in maine swarmed by press, i think she's enjoying this just a little bit. we're going to talk about that coming up. >> kaci hickox actually tested negative at the moment that all of that was happening. just incredible. >> what was so amazing, this gaggle of press chasing her down
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because of this out rage that she's around and going around whether or not she has ebola. you know she doesn't because you wouldn't be chasing her around. you're such losers. >> but, i mean, in defense of the press, she also had been turned into the story by the page saying basically you can't leave your house. i'm going to leave my house. >> chris christie attracts a ton of attention. so shen e then she goes to another state with a lesser-known bully governor. >> but all of this is a testment of a really important truth which is, like, if you gist -- if you just don't cave,it's amazing what happened e what happens. she could have been e just been like all right, i guess i'll stay in this weird tent without a shower for how long. or, okay, fine. i'll stay in my house. no. what are you going to do? are you going to come and send a state trooper and actually physically arrest me? >> also, too, what i love is she
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said i am going to -- i am going to pick the director from science. not from fear mongers, but actual science. i would like all of you to start thinking about science the next time you start doing crazy stuff. >> but the helmet? she's got to capitulate to a helmet. i mean, come on. >> ebola is actually a good casing for your head. >> all of that fear, all of the sort of fear one, it really felt like as soon as the e lerks was done, the air just came out of it. >> because the republicans stopped fear mongering. >> the thing about our fear switch being turned on so quickly, the upside of the collective tiny attention span is that it gets turned off so quickly. >> that's right. >> i do think, though, that we are more susceptible to fear than we have -- i mean, certainly maybe we're seeing some type of latent 9/11
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effects. but it really is sort of stunning, how quickly. >> but there's less provocation, too. >> thank you all for joining us. that is "all in" for this evening. >> good evening, chris. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. happy tuesday. so here is what she said about her husband. i'm quoting here. what she said exactly is he should be clean. he should be a roll model. in fact, though, he is the most crime-committing person i know. talking about her husband. her husband, at the time, was a serving member of congress. and, to this day, he remains the only member of congress to have ever served in that office while also wearing an ankle monitoring bracelet so the courts could keep track of his wrblts. after being convicted at the time were the largest campaign finance violation of all time.


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