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security. the koch brothers who, as you know, fund a lot of the republican party, from way back when are adamant that the federal government should not be involved in retirement benefits that social security should be privatized. >> all right. senator bernie sanders, always great to have you with us. i appreciate your time tonight. keep up the fight, my friend. that's "the ed show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts now. >> geek, ed.ood evening, ed, thanks to you for tuning in. breaking news a guilty plea from the armed intruder who got deep into the white house. omar gonzalez could spend up to a year and a half in prison and will stay behind bars until he is sentenced this summer. in a string of high profile scandals plaguing the agency this one has always stood out. authorities had numerous chances to stop him. last july police arrested
gonzalez in virginia with 11 guns in his car. he had 7 loaded magazines and map showing the white house. officers warned is secret service. a month later agents stopped gonzalez outside the white house with a hatchet. they didn't find anything in his car and they let him go. and it was just two weeks later that gonzalez broke in hopping the white house fence and sprinting inside with a hatchet and a knife. he passed a stairwell to the first family's bedrooms and he made it all the way to the east room before getting tackled. in the end, this blunder, along with embarrassments involving prostitutes and drunk agents forced the director to step down. the new director came in promising change. >> we've got training in place. we've got an integrity board in
place. we've got a table of penalties in place to try to address those types of issues so that we're consistent. >> but now director joseph clancy is facing the first big scandal of his own. two high ranking agents were just reassigned after drinking and crashing their work car into a white house barricade. clancy did a top-to-bottom review when he started, but is today's secret service any better than it was when he took over? that's the question. joining me now are jonathan capehart from "the washington post" and jim cavanaugh, msnbc law enforcement analyst. thank you both for being here. >> thanks rev. >> thanks reverend al. >> jim, here's the arsenal police found on gonzalez in the very first traffic stop. rifles, shotguns handguns loaded magazines. the secret service was warned
should we be confident he'd be stopped now if something like this happened again? >> well with the latest revelations from "the washington post," reverend al i think we've got to be a little concerned here. i have a lot of faith in the service, but they're not showing us a lot of good operational tactics here surrounding the white house. look, you're right to point out the gonzalez case. here's how that should have went. the virginia state police stop him, he has 11 guns. they call atf they find out he's got a sawed-off shotgun, they notify the service. the service should have asked the u.s. attorney of virginia a warrant on the complaint of a sawed-off shotgun. as condition of release of his bail he shouldn't be near the white house. then if he showed up at the white house the second time he could have have been arrested on the spot and remanded into custody. failure of decisionmaking to stop him in his tracks where they had the sawed-off shotgun. the director has to get tough or get gone because this stuff's
continuing on with these supervisory failures. >> but what makes us think if this happened now that there would be anything different? i mean what's in place now that shows that there's been any difference? >> right. well, you know the director's told the congress that he's toughened up tightened up training and so forth. and they have had fence jumpers since then they've apprehended quickly. the committee, the study that recommended a new fence, which they know they need a new fence, we all know that and they've tightened up their ships. they've tightened up against fence jumpers and mentally incompetent people. >> but supervisors having too much to drink and running into barricades at the white house. >> you're right. >> let me ask you this the sentencing guidelines would put gonzalez in prison for 12 to 18 months. i mean 12 to 18 months for breaking into the white house with a weapon.
i mean does that seem right to you? >> well no but that's the law. and i think as jim pointed out, we wouldn't even be talking about this if the secret service had stopped mr. gonzalez in his tracks first time they stopped him with that arsenal of weapons in his trunk. one of the criticisms of now director clancy is that the recommendation of the independent board that looked into this agency recommended that the new director be someone from the outside to bring in new ideas, fresh ideas. but here's the thing about director clancy. he had retired, he was in the private sector after a long career in the secret service, and he came back at the request of the president. and this is significant. it was the president who decided to override that recommendation of bringing someone from the outside and that's because mr. clancy is someone who headed up the president's detail when he was running for president now
almost eight years ago. and when you're talking about secret service, you're talking about protecting the lie of the then-candidate and now-president. and there's a relationship and trust that's built on the most basic thing. keeping the principal alive, keeping that principal's family alive. for the president to choose mr. clancy it's a comfort level which cannot be discounted when it comes to who is going to be running the secret service. now it's incumbent, i think, upon the director to instill some confidence not only in the president but the american people that he's got that place under control. >> that certainly is the issue here now where now we have another incident under clancy. in fact, after the two agents crashed into a barrier, a house committee sent clancy a letter saying quote, to be clear, in our view you have much work to do. please provide a briefing and
please provide a copy of any video footage, photographs or audio from the incidents. i mean what needs to be done to fix the agency jim? >> well if i was going to make a recommendation to him, reverend al i would say that joe clancy needs to get a deputy director from outside the agency. he's been picked by the president as the top man, he can go out and get a deputy from another agency and put him in there and toughen this whole thing up. he's got to take swift action. if you look at the latest thing that happened that you referenced, going through the barricade, two commanders drinking, everything wrong in that seems to be done by a supervisor. the only person who did something right was the line field division officer who wanted to give a sobriety act. when you have supervisors cutting them loose, supervisors not taking the right action you got some real problem. the director's got to get tough.
one way he can help that is bring in an outside deputy clamp down on this and make sure when somebody sees misconduct action is taken, it's reported. when you see gonzalez in virginia there's a chance to stop him, stop him. get tough. get tough on your outside operation, get tough on your inside operations. they got great people they want to do a good job, but they're just too insular right now. time to tighten up. >> jonathan do you think that the white house thinks they get it? i mean, you said the public and i know the president expressed his confidence when the situation first went down with gonzalez. but now i mean this happening, what are you hearing inside the white house? is there serious questioning going on? what are you getting in terms of your sources in the white house? >> well i would expect that there obviously is concern especially when you have the number two person in the president's personal detail who is one of those people who
crashed through the barricade on to an ongoing investigation. i believe it was involving a suspicious package on the white house grounds. we're talking about a large cultural problem that predates director clancy that predated the person who was there before. when you've got secret service agents drunk on the job overseas fraternizing with prostitutes overseas doing things on the white house grounds that violate all sorts of regulations but also put the life of the president and the first family in danger i think jim is right, director clancy not only himself has to get control of the situation but he needs to have some people around him who can bust up this culture that seems to have osified. it seems the roots of this have spread so much so far and so wide that as jim pointed out it's the supervisors who are
involved in this latest caper. >> that's the most disturbing is at a supervisor level. >> jonathan capehart jim, thanks for your time this evening. straight ahead, news on that manhunt for the police shooter in ferguson. the st. louis county chief just spoke. also tonight a widening investigation into that racist frat chant, and now the fraternity could be suing the school. plus, more on this. the search is on for the teen seen beating a girl. will the victim come forward? please stay with us.
manhunt for a police shooter on the loose in ferguson missouri. it's been nearly two days since someone ambushed two police officers in front of the ferguson police department. three people have been questioned but all have been released. moments ago, the st. louis county police chief gave an update on the search. >> we have had several leads since then. i can't tell you at this point that an arrest is imminent. there's certainly nobody in custody. >> tonight the two wounded officers are at home with their families. we will continue to follow this story closely.
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. outrage has been building toward the 47 republican senators who sent that letter to the leaders of iran publicly undermining president obama. they've been called traitors criticized by members of their own party, and now president obama's speaking out. >> i'm embarrassed for them. for them to address a letter to the ayatollah who they claim is our mortal enemy, and their basic argument to them is don't deal with our president because you can't trust him to follow through on an agreement. that's close to unprecedented.
>> president obama says he's embarrassed for them and he's not the only one. in today's "washington post," a top speech writer in the bush administration called the true scandal of the gop senators' letter to iran their conduct, quote, if republican senators want to make a point that an iran deal requires a treaty they should make that case to the american people not to the iranians. congress simply has no business conducting foreign policy with a foreign government especially an adversarial one. every republican whose pictures his or her feet up on the resolute desk should fear this precedent. their action sets a terrible precedent. this move wasn't just bad politics it's bad policy too. now it's time for an apology.
joining me now is "washington post" columnist e.j. dionne. thank you for being here e.j. >> good to be with you, reverend. >> president obama and a former bush official both ripping the letter. what does that tell you, e.j.? >> it tells me it was a really bad idea. my friend and colleague mike goreson who wrote that great piece today is going to have to join the conservative commentator's protection program after he wrote that. it was really scathing. he said this was a foreign policy maneuver in the middle of a high stakes negotiation with all the gravity and deliberation of a blog posting. he went on to say that it raises questions about the republicans' capacity to govern. this sends a terrible signal to the world about us and it's not just people on the left who are criticizing and not just mike gorson. senator bob corker the chairman of the foreign relations committee in the senate didn't
sign it because he knew that this was a bad signal for us as a country, and it's actually counterproductive from their own point of view. >> well let's walk through because i want people to understand what happened this week. and how the republicans dealt with this controversy. it was released on monday and it seemed all republicans were serious about this letter. tuesday came the backlash. "the daily news" even calling them traitors. on wednesday, gop aides were saying it was a joke calling it cheeky. and the administration has no sense of humor. then john mccain said maybe they rushed the process but, quote, everybody was looking forward to getting out of town because of the snowstorm. and today wisconsin senator ron johnson said the only regret is who it's addressed to meaning the iranians. have they spent the whole week
back pedaling and moonwalking on this, e.j.? >> their only regret is the central problem with the letter which is that it's addressed to iran. and the notion -- and it's one of the things mike gorson talked about, the notion that a bunch of senators would scribble their names real fast on the bottom of a letter to a foreign leader in the middle of a sensitive negotiation just makes no sense especially given all the things republicans have said over the years when democrats did anything -- you know i don't think democrats have done anything quite like this ever that i can think of that i've been able to find. >> no i know when i was a teenager, many of us were against the vietnam war. >> correct. >> when johnson was a democrat and then later nixon, and we marched, we rallied, but nobody ro ho chee wrote ho chi minh from the congress. >> in fact, it's one of the things that hurt the anti-war movement, when parts of the
anti-war movement were waving -- >> but members of congress weren't writing, members of the senate. i mean, this is unprecedented. >> right. and i think the other problem is that again, from their point of view, if the negotiations fail then we are going to want to ratchet up sanctions. that's what all these folks say they are for. but again, as mike pointed out, when we go to our allies our european friends, they can point to letters like this and say, were you guys negotiating in good faith. so again, i support what the president's trying to do but if you're critical of what he's likely to come up with and your alternative is sanctions, this is just going to get in your way. so it's not surprising that all these republicans are pulling back, but the other thing is i think that there's a suspicion among some of us that all sort of bets are off when it comes to
opposing president obama. >> that's the point. >> and these are members of the senate. i mean, we all have the right to do what we want but members of the senate engaging the head of an adversarial government unprecedented. >> right. and i think it's important. all of us who are liberal or progressive defend the right to oppose a president on foreign policy. we've done it ourselves. >> right. >> that's not the issue here. the issue here is a letter to a foreign leader in the middle of a negotiation. also the letter reads like something no civics ss teacher would ever sound like. a weird and pedantic letter. let us tell you about our constitution. >> yeah. >> it's a very strange document. >> e.j. dionne thank you for your time tonight. have a great weekend. >> it's great to be with you, reverend. >> straight ahead, the investigation is growing tonight, but is the frat with that racist song ready to sue the university? plus why is tom hanks
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is to proceed in a nonlegal solution, a nonadversarial solution and a nonlitigation solution. if that's not possible although we act in good faith and present this then obviously we will have to consider other possibilities. >> and as the potential legal fight developing, there's a growing number of sae chapters falling under scrutiny. today the fraternity's national leaders say they're hooklooking into allegations the louisiana sec chapter sang a similar song -- chant. they're also looking at the university of texas at austin chapter and the university of washington is investigating whether sae members shouted racist remarks at black students last month. >> that's when they started shouting and then flipping us off and started saying like you
apes why are you here? get out of here. >> it's just absolutely unacceptable. all these events happen in oklahoma ferguson new york they're not any different than seattle. >> how wide do these problems run and how far back do they go? joining me now is lawrence ross author of the "divine nine a history of african-american fra tern tistyies ternties." and chelsea davis, head of the black student group at ou. they're the ones that first posted the video online. thank you both for being here. >> thank you reverend. >> thanks for having me. >> lawrence the big news today, the local chapter hiring a lawyer. what are the legal tensions that play between the school and fraternities? >> well, fraternities and schools typically have -- traditionally have had a relationship that is kind of i don't want to say tenuous
because you have on one hand fraternities saying they have a freedom of association. so they should be able to govern themselves independent of the universities while universities on the other hand, say that when you are part of a university, you have to follow the university rules.ypically but a code of conduct. we get into sort of a gray area. this honestly is a gray area for me in terms of i don't know -- i'm not a lawyer obviously, but one of the things i look at is the freedom of expression even as repugnant as that freedom of expression is for that student combined with the expectation of the university for any university student. and we also have to look at the fact that i think supreme court decisions have also talked about speeches on universities aren't necessarily unfettered speech. meaning you can't just say anything on a university campus. >> right. >> and i'm wondering if it could be for lawyers could be argued that that type of speech actually makes it a hostile environment for african-american
and minority students on the university of oklahoma's campus. >> chelsea, give us a sense of what is the mood what is the attitude on campus today? because one of the things that impressed me about the protests and, frankly, about unheard, it seems that it has been diverse student reaction not just black students. it seems like a lot of students operate very nonviolently even firmly though but very very much with dignity. >> right, so a lot of different minority communities are feeling very emotional about the past echblts that have happened this past weekend. we stand behind our president. we support the decisions that he has made. our agenda is the seven grievances we listed in our formal letter. we're hopeful with working with university administration to keep discussing the seven grievances and keep moving forward to making our university more diverse and more inclusive.
>> you know lawrence a former student at angelo state university in texas tells nbc she heard the exact same song at a different frat in 1973 or '74. another man reports hearing that song in texas tech in '63, and yet another heard a similar chant at the university of georgia in '61. and i note that one of the two that were expelled here in this case said we were taught this song or taught this chant. how far could this go back? >> well i think that's the thing that always gets me. i think we're always surprised by incidents that actually happen when they really go back as far as the early '20s, and not just specifically this particular song but in terms of for example, fraternity members painting their faces back in 1916 in blackface and talking
about that. but even within the last 15 years, we have different incidents that happen for example, in 2001 at auburn university, beta about pheta about phi had members that were dressed up as klan members and they put a noose around a neck of a person dressed in black paint. >> yeah, i remember that. >> in 2010 we had a compton cookout by one fraternity where they told people to come dressed in gangster paraphernalia to emulate, quote, unquote, crips and bloods. in 2013 a racist mlk party at arizona state where they had watermelon cups. >> let me ask chelsea this before we run out of time because clearly you're right, this has gone on and on and on. but i think this oklahoma situation and frankly because of unheard has brought it to where the nation is dealing with it. chelsea, though, today the
attorney that was brought in by some of the members said that these members deserved a second chance, these students. how do you respond to that? do they deserve a second chance? >> i think that's going to be completely up to university administration and again at unheard we stand behind our president and every decision he decides to make in light of these issues. >> all right lawrence ross and chelsea davis, thank you for your time tonight. have a good weekend. >> thanks for having me. >> thanks, reverend. is there an e-mail double standard? what hillary clinton has in common with some top republicans. plus a vicious brawl caught on tape. it went viral, but will the police catch all the suspects? and president obama on area 51. cooking, driving and kanye west. conversation nation is next. denver international is one of the busiest airports in the country. we operate just like a city
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secretary of state. republicans have been on the attack all week. but "the wall street journal" reports hillary potential gop rivals for the white house also used personal e-mail accounts. jeb bush marco rubio and governor scott walker all have used private e-mails for official communication and decided which e-mails to delete because they were private. in fact like hillary, jeb bush owned the personal e-mail server that he used as governor. jimmy, i'm not saying what hillary clinton did was the smartest choice but is there an unfair double standard here? >> by the way, nor is she, as she admitted in her press conference on tuesday. here is the problem, if she were not -- i'm sorry, let me back up. if her last name were not clinton, we would not be having this conversation. we know that rick perry did it.
we know that jeb bush did it. we know that scott walker did it. we know that marco rubio did it. so why is it -- by the way, let's think back to mitt romney. when he left the governorship of massachusetts, not only destroyed the e-mails, but he destroyed the computers, and he ran for president and no one screamed about it at the time. when george bush was president of the united states the rnc had a server on which karl rove was e-mailing public business -- >> we covered it a lot here jimmy. >> that's exactly right. we did. this is why. they're only attacking her because her last name is clinton. when bill clinton was elected president in 1992 came into office in '93, they began immediately investigating him from '93 until the day he left and they impeached him in the meantime. hillary clinton hasn't even declared her run for presidency yet and they're already investigating her. >> i think you make a good point, jimmy, in that everyone is sort of in this together. we're in this new world where
people can get into our e-mails and they can be used against you. years ago no one really thought that was a possibility. i'm just saying they're all in this together. normally when a scandal or controversy happens with hillary clinton who is the front-runner for republicans, they would all be jumping on top of her. we haven't seen that yet from folks like -- >> i have a laundry list of prior bad acts by hillary clinton. rev, there was whitewater filegate, travelgate bosnia there was the missing files from the rose law firm that somehow ended up in the book room of the third floor of the white house. and let's not forget, mr. vince foster. they're looking at the evidence. >> i think there's a reason though, that republicans have been so quiet here. because rev, no one wants their private e-mails to be looked at. >> no no. wait a minute. >> aren't we getting away from
whether or not she should or shouldn't have had them with the state department as secretary of state? >> guess what? >> and whether or not others when they were holding their public office did the same or not. >> that's because of the law. >> wait wait. >> it really has nothing to do with what past allegations or not. we're talking about whether her function and their function was the same and i think that the standard is the question that i raise. >> which is the law. >> it is a double standard. abc news just reported literally 30 minutes ago that the state department had to shut down its servers because they got hacked today. by the way, how many times did hillary clinton's server get hacked? zero. so if we're going to have a conversation about getting hacked -- in 2013 there were 61,000 examples of the federal government's servers being hacked. not one time was hillary clinton
or bill clinton's server hacked. so she did it -- yes, she should not have done it but guess what -- wikileak thing about wikileaks. >> rev i think you made a good point earlier. and the real problem here and the challenge -- and we'll never know this -- is hillary and jeb bush, they're the ones responsible for the e-mails they put forward. so we'll never know if the ones they deleted. >> they're work e-mails. >> that's my only point. now to the search for the new york teens caught savagely beating a girl on tape. it's a tough video to see. a group of girls smashing another girl at mcdonald's in brooklyn. the victim seen in the blue sweatshirt was attacked by at least four other girls. today police are still searching for five other girls who took part in the gruesome attack. the 16-year-old seen stomping on the victim's head has been arrested and charged with gang
assault and robbery. the victim initially refused to talk to police is reportedly beginning to cooperate. seema, how critical is the victim's cooperation? >> it is not, rev. that's a brilliant question that you ask. it's a high misconception that you need a victim to prosecute. you don't. we have the videotape. and we can find other witnesses to corroborate. and meanwhile, you can still prosecute one member of the gang assault without arresting all of the other members. so they can go full speed ahead with this. >> abby? >> i'm just wondering how a girl like this is still out on the street. you read about her past having what stabbed her brother, punched her grandmother, her mother was running out of the house saying she's going to burn the house down. apparently she's been arrested a number of times and let go. why is she still out on the streets able to do this? >> we're learning about the 16-year-old. at age 16 she's already been arrested six times. >> right. >> including once for reportedly stabbing her brother in the arm
and another for punching her grandmother in the face. arrested six times in a year. >> horrific. >> how is it possible that she's free and able to beat another girl up like this jimmy? >> well listen we have a bigger -- we have a bigger problem. the city of new york regularly stops and frisks african-american teenagers for just walking down the street. but she's -- she was out free in a mcdonald's. why is that happening? >> because she's 16 years old. because she's 16 years old. >> it doesn't matter. she should go to jail. >> the courts recognize that the younger you are the more likely you are to be rehabilitated. the courts recognize that a 16-year-old's brain is not fully developed. >> but we're talking about savage -- >> i'm just here for the courts babe. >> the courts need to give us the address of where you rehabilitate them. there's a difference between
detention centers and correction centers. >> it's called rikers island. >> we have detention centers. >> jimmy, not rikers island. >> everyone stay with me. we'll be right back. and aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. so why am i still thinking about this? how are you? aleve, proven better on pain. why do i cook? because i make the best chicken noodle soup. because i make the best chicken noodle soup. because i make the best chicken noodle soup. for every way you make chicken noodle soup, make it delicious with swanson®.
in our house, we do just about everything online. and our old internet just wasn't cutting it. so i switched us from u-verse to xfinity. they have the fastest, most reliable internet. which is perfect for me, because i think everything should just work. works? works. works! works? works. works. we're back with our panel, abby jimmy and seema. and president obama knows how to work a late-night crowd. last night the president got the full kimmel treatment, reading mean tweets about himself.
>> a 30 rack of coors light is $23 now at sun stop. thanks, obama. somebody send obama some life hacks on how to be a good president. ha ha. like i bet that would help. lol. you know the lol's redundant when you have the ha ha. >> the president shared in the laughs, and talk about some real serious issues too, like ferguson and student loans. the white house doesn't wait to -- they don't wait around to see if their message sticks. they go out and they talk to people where they are. bill clinton playing the sax on arsenio hall was groundbreaking but clinton made it cool but president obama has made it the norm. we've seen him on other late-night shows like colbert,
fallon and the daily show. and on the web pushing health care on "between two ferns" and buzzfeed video. he's been criticized for these appearances, but the country's changing. do you thing this ed mek this 3450ed ya strategy has been effective. >> i always enjoy the president on these types of shows. last night's appearance on jimmy kimmel went from talking about ferguson, a really good message. then he was able to do the segment of the mean tweets which is one of my favorite segments on that show. i have to say that was the best one i've actually seen done because he has this dead pan when he reads it then he gets this look on his face and he starts laughing. i was laughing hysterically. it makes him human, makes him real. helps you relate to hill. >> i have to agree with abby. the president when he did the three youtubers, glozell and the other two, that's the first time that happened at the white house. he's taking technology this media, if you will to a
different level. as you said making it the norm. i think that's fantastic. and by the way, he's setting the bar higher so that every president going forward will have to do this because, if they don't, guess who will criticize them? we will. >> seema, every president reaching that bar, the problem is that president obama is good at it. >> yes. >> and we don't know if other future presidents will be that good. >> that's why our next president should be jon stewart so he can meet that bar. we need to get to that expectation. >> i agree with that. >> what are we going to do? who is as funny as our president? he's the best he's hysterical. >> my favorite as when he read the tweet, i wish someone would send you off to another part of the golf course and just leave you there. he said i would actually enjoy that. >> that was good. he's very good at that. and i think that it's an interesting way that seems to be effective. well abby jimmy and seema, thank you for your time.
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to the controversy following the police shooting in madison, wisconsin, of an unarmed black man, to two police officers shot in ferguson we still don't know what happened. but when fighting for change it's important to remember selma. president obama talked about it last night. >> what was beautiful about selma was reminding ourselves that real social change in this country so often has happened because ordinary people are willing in a nonviolent fashion to make their voices heard. and you know i think that what had been happening in ferguson was oppressive and objectionable and was worthy of protest, but there was no excuse for criminal acts. >> with all of this in the news it was ironic to learn we lost a civil rights icon this week.
journalist claude it issitton passed away at age 89. he literally put the civil rights movement on the front page writing nearly 900 articles for "the new york times." now this week civil rights is back on the front page. no one said it would be easy. and with the constant issues that arise, it's easy sometimes to despair, but as i walked across that bridge on last saturday behind the icons that had walked it 50 years before and we stood there beside the president, i thought about how my mother who was from alabama couldn't vote in her home town till she was 39 yet she raised me, her son, where i ran for president and got to deal with the first black president. the long arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice if we don't give up and if we don't let daily challenges
make us go into a long-term sense of despair. we must keep hope and we must keep the faith. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. have a great weekend. "hardball" starts right now. baby's delicate condition. let's play hardball. good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. the bullying e-mail to the ayatollah was meant to hurt president obama has apparently hurt the right wing heartthrob bibi netanyahu. polls show the prom date sliding downwards in the polls back home with the opposition gaining. the issue driving netanyahu down is the man's personal behavior but his one-night stand with the house gop hasn't helped. unfortunately for the hawks the