tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC March 30, 2015 9:00pm-10:01pm PDT
joining us this hour. happy monday. the highest ranking statewide elected officials in the state of missouri are the two u.s. senators claire mccaskill and roy blunt. the democratic governor of the state jane nixon n. the year claire will not be up for re-election. yet another reason why in 2016 she should totally run for president. i don't think she d ever is going to but she should. i'm just saying. in 2016 roy blunt is up for re-election. he may get a run for his money in terms of trying to hold on to his seat. democrats will run the current secretary of state against roy blunt. his name is jason candor. he is young and aggressive, well known in the state. already holds state-wide office. in 2016 that's going to be a presidential year electorate which is way better for democrat s than nonpresidential years are in terms of who turns out to vote. so that roy blunt re-election
race for that u.s. senate seat in missouri is going to be a hot one in 2016 as is the governor's race. jay nixon is term limited out. he cannot run again. the seat will be open. the democrat s seem to be coalescing around a popular candidate that holds statewide office. democrats look like they will in terms of who he will run against, in terms of the republican side it is turning in to a free for all with at least six candidates having entered the ring already. it's not just like fringe candidates. it is six who have a reasonable shot. that free for all would be fascinating enough in political terms, if it were not happening in the midst of what is starting to feel like a shakespearean level of tragedy in that state. this story took an unbelievable turn today.
one of the first republican candidates to declare he was running for governor this year in missouri is the state auditor. he declared january 28th he was running for governor in missouri. less than a month later on february 26th he killed himself under circumstances that even now a month later are hard to get your head around. it was less than a half hour before he killed himself that tom had called two well-known missouri reporters. asked these reporters to come to his house saying he wanted to give them a public statement. he had spoke to the reports before. they knew what he wanted to talk about, and was upset about and knew what the public statement was going to be about. he believed the chairman in the republican party in missouri had been telling people in the state that he tom schweich was jewish. the republican party chairman had worked for one of the other candidates who's running for governor. he believed this guy was the
falsely spreading this rumor. spreading a rumor that was untrue that tom was jewish. he believed the state party chairman was doing that basically as an anti-semitic smear campaign to undercut his chances in the governor's race by spreading this lie that he was a jew. so he had spoken to these reporters from the ap and st. louis dispatch. he had spoke to them numerous times about the issue. he spoke to them, left messages for them literally minutes before he killed himself in february. he had summoned those reporters to his house because he said he wanted to make a statement about this controversy, concerning his religion. everyone knew he was upset about this. that day, how upset he was about this religious issue she called a trusted family friend and asked them to check in with him and make sure he was okay. the family friend was the assistant to former u.s. senator
john danforth. that morning, february 26th, john danforth's assistant, an old family friend called tom at his home. his wife called her back. she later released this statement saying what happened. kathy returned my call. we spoke briefly. kathy told me tom was up and about and making calls. tom picked up the phone and talked to me for three minutes. he spoke solely about his outrage concerning the rumors spread about his religion and how he should respond to those rumors. i told him i thought it was best to let others stand up for him. the threatened to kill himself and handed the phone to kathy, his wife. seconds later, i heard kathy say, he shot himself. kathy called 911 on another line while i stayed on the line with her until paramedics arrived. police have not said whether tom
schweich made -- there are numerous calls, an unusual amount of evidence of why he did it. what had so upset him. what upset him is his pleef the chairman of the missouri republican party was falsely telling people he was jewish as a way to hurt his political career. the chairman of the missouri republican party, his name is john hancock. mr. hancock did not deny that he had been telling people that tom schweich was jewish. he sent a e-mail. he said until recently i mistakenly believed that he was jewish. why i do not recall doing so it is possible that i mentioned tom's faith in passing during one of my many conversations i
have each day. there was nothing malicious about my intent and i certainly was not attempting to inject religion in to the governor's race. the same party chairman explained to the st. louis post dispatch elaborated on that he said this is how the st. louis post dispatch wrote it up hancock said he may have mentioned that he was jewish by it was an innocent conversation. he vehemently denied it was meant as a smear but a description similar to saying i'm presbyterian and somebody else is catholic. at the funeral days later, former u.s. senator john danforth delivered the eulogy and ripped that state party chairman in his eulogy for even trying to get away with that excuse for what he said about tom schweich's religion.
>> the only reason -- someone said there is no difference in saying a person is a presbyterian here's how to test the credibility of that remark. when is the last time anyone came up to you and whispered in to your ear, such and such a person is a presbyterian. >> after john danforth gave that you'll lolg for tom schweich, long-time missouri republican donor released a sworn affidavit in which he swore this anti-semitic whispering campaign by the state republican party chairman was a real thing. the donor said in this affidavit he met with republican party chairman john hancock at his office to talk about raising money for the state republican
party. when john came to his office and they talked about raising money in the gubernatorial campaign in the state, quote, although i do not recall the exact words mr. hancock used he said words to the effect well you know that he is jewish. the tone of his comment was clear. he tom schweich is jewish and that is negative attribute for the rate. this is an incredible turn of events, right? 2015, really leading candidate for governor. statewide elected office holder himself. kills himself. less than a month after declaring he's running for governor because he's so upset about anti-semitic smear campaign being waged against him by the chairman of the state republican party. there's john danforth in the pulpit saying this is making political profit from bigotry. this is naked anti-semitism. this there is a party donor swearing in a notized document
yes, this happened and the chairman of the state party did it. the first person to call openly and directed for the estate party chairman to resign because of this is a staff member from tom's office his spokesman, his media director who is reportedly close to tom. they were friends. his name is spence jackson. long-time high-profile figure in missouri politics. he came out and said it before anybody else would. he said john hancock should resign as the state chairman of the republican party, simply because his anti-semitic whisper campaign does not reject the values of the majority of the americans. he said you can't have a chairman of a republican party out coordinating this sort of a whisper campaign. as to the state party chairman saying he didn't mean anything bad by it when he was falsely telling people he was jewish, spence jackson said i believe with all hoif heart that john hancock knew what he was doing.
he knew the reaction he was seeking and knew what he was trying to get out of people. spence jackson from tom schweich's staff was the first to call him on resigning. he called on the candidate who hancock worked for catherine hanaway and said he should resign as the head of the party. as spence jackson led the way, other missouri republicans jumped in and said yes. this 0 john hancock guy must resign. senator danforth was asked if he believed john hancock must resign and step down as head of the party. he said the man shouldn't be allowed to resign. missouri republicans should fire him. he said he wanted thaed of the party forced out of office. does our party stand for what happened to tom schweich? don't allow him to quit.
fire him because it will say more about us. for a while it seemed like that guy was going to have to go. the state republican party sort of went quiet for several weeks after tom schweich killed himself. catherine hanaway temporarily suspended her campaign out of respect for tom. the state party chairman did a radio show in which she said she was doing soul searching as to whether he could lead the republican party. apparently by friday this past friday, his soul had been searched and he decided he would stay put. keep his job. check out this very brief time line. this past thursday was the one month anniversary of tom schweich killing himself. he announced not only was he not going to resign but not going to talk about this anymore. he said publicly he is sick and
tired of even talking about it. quote, he is tired of talking about the controversy. i'm ready to move on and move beyond it. that same day, friday catherine hanaway who suspended her campaign out of respect for tom schweich started the campaign up again. that friday jackson took a sick day from work at the state auditor's office. he stayed home from work that day and sometime that night or the next morning he apparently killed himself as well. the same way tom schweih did, he shot himself. >> on sunday march 29th 2015 at just after 7 p.m. jefferson police responded to the apartment at for what was a check well being called of robert spence jackson who is a jefferson city resident. according to the caller who's a family member of jackson, he was unresponsive to phone calls or
other attempts to raise him at the apartment. property manager was able to provide a key to the responding officers who entered the residence and located jackson in his bedroom. initial assessment of the scene indicated that jackson died of a self inflicted gunshot wound. there were no signs of forced entry or signs of a struggle. there was one firearm found at the apartment, a revolver and one spent round was recovered, as well. i will answer questions. i would caution you this is an open investigation. there are some things i cannot answer. don't want to jeopardize anything we are doing but i would be happy to answer your questions to the best of my ability. we do have a note. i won't go in to the contents of the note. it is part of the investigation at this time. >> do you anticipate releasing it at some point. >> i don't know. i don't know the answer to that question at this point. >> there is a note. we do not know what the note
says. spence jackson was tom schweich's communications director since 2011. police found his body last night after his mother was not able to contact him on friday saturday or sunday and she got very worried. they found his body on sunday night. they say he killed himself either on friday or saturday. the missouri republican party rocked by the second suicide in a month. we do not yet know what can fairly be said about the connection between the two suicides, but long-time political reporter from the kansas city star spoke to friends of jackson today who said that jackson continued to be angry about his party's reaction to tom's suicide. he said that spence jackson expected that republican officials and consultants would face retribution for their alleged roles in tom's death. instead the controversy appeared to be dwindling. to the chagrin of the man who killed himself this weekend.
now two men are dead. the party chairman still has a job, still has his job. catherine hanaway's governor campaign proceeds and no one knows what shoe is left to drop in this political story that is both unbelievable and unbelievably terrible in human terms. joining us is political reporter with kansas city star. nice to see you. thank you for joining us. >> great to be with you, rachel. >> is there anything more to add in terms of what we know about this investigation? do we know if the police are treating this as a related matter to tom schweich's suicide? >> they believe it may be related but won't say that officially on the record. i can tell you everyone else in missouri democrats, republicans, everyone you talk to believe the two suicides are directly linked. they think spence jackson was simply upset that john hancock had not stepped away from his
chairmanship of the party and the consultants working with catherine hanaway who put together a radio ad critical of tom had not been punished by other members of the party. in fact that consultant continued to get work. the word we got today is spence jackson was very upset at both of those developments and aapparently, as you suggest took his life over the weekend. >> in terms of what is happening in missouri republican politics right now, obviously this is a story about politics also a story about human beings and families and loss and there's no reason to put more politics in to this story than we know should be there. it's also very hard to see what the -- what the appropriate and respectful response would be from the party, given that these two men were such high-profile figures in the party and what seems to have -- the best we know about what drove them toward the end of their lives was about party politics. >> we should also be careful, though. no one really knows why someone
takes his or her own life. the republicans will say that too. the politics are very tough. that doesn't completely explain two suicides. having said that i talked to a republican today who told me that he thinks the party should simply blow itself up in missouri. that all of the people connected with this tragedy, these tragedies, including john hancock, catherine hanaway and others should step away from the party. let other candidates come in because he thinks -- this person i talked with thinks this will dominate the discussion in to 2016 enmake it difficult for republicans to redirect attention to which is facing the state. the republican should be the favorite in missouri. increasingly a red state. much like mississippi or alabama. but the democrats believe they have an opportunity now the republicans have essentially struggled with their reaction to the tom shweich and spence
jackson suicide. >> the allegations and concerns at the center of the story. i put it at the center of my narrative leading in to this decision with you because i feel it is central to understanding what happened here. is this alleged anti-semitic whispering campaign. there seems to be at least some evidence, even if it is contested evidence the state party chairman was doing this. is there continued debate in the state whether or not something like that would be politically effective? has hancock defended himself against the allegations he's done this or that it is a big deal if it did. >> the controversy was going away for several days after the schweich suicide in mid march. there was momentum for john hancock to be stepped down or fired as you reported earlier but that controversy dwindling. he sort of said to reporters in the state that to quit would be an admission he was anti-semitic
and he didn't want to make that concession to anyone. you get the sense that spence jackson was frustrated that the momentum that built for john hancock to step aside wasn't having the desired effect. when jack danforth tells you should leave office. in missouri it yufzed to mean something. it means less now and i think spence jackson was frustrated with that. >> thank you for being here dave. appreciate it. dave just mentioned a consultant who produced a radio ad that had been critical of tom schweich killed himself. another issue he was concerned about in the whispering campaign, the negative radio ad against him. the consul thant appears to have created that ad has not had his political career hurt by this at all. he is the chief political strategist for the ted cruz campaign for president. he has moved to texas. we'll be right back. creet underwear for sensitive bladders.
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that legal now in indiana? >> george this is where this debate has gone. >> said it would protect a christian florist, against any kind of punishment. is that true or not? >> george look. the issue is is tolerance a two-way street or not. >> when you say "tolerance is a two-way street" does it mean that contributions or people of any other faith that want to refuse service to gays or lesbians it is legal in the state of indiana. that is a simple yes or no question. >> it is a yes or no question governor. do you think it should be legal in the state of indiana to discriminate against gays or lesbians? >> george -- >> it's a yes or no question. yes or no should it be legal to discriminate against gays and lesbians. >> george, you are following the mantra of the last week on-line. you are trying to make this issue about something else. >> if you are wondering why
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people of all sexual orientations are completely welcomed. that's going to take some time. it can't be fixed with a rush job. >> do you think they will try to come up with a smaller fix, some sort of patch, some clarifying bill and make it go away that way. >> that's what it looks like right now. it's either going to be an attempt at a band-aid or figure leaf or whatever metaphor you want to use. i have to tell you that's not going to get it done. this bill is so tainted. it's so tainted nationally and internationally. it has to -- but repealing it is just the first step. that's the frank admission of a very serious mistake. we have to do that and then we have to demonstrate to the rest of the nation that we are serious about equality and that we are serious about welcoming folks from all across the country and all across the world. and until that happens, this is going to be dog ourg state for a while. >> state respect scott pelath
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total, one for each senator. all spread across the senate floor. democrats on the left. republicans on the right. there's one desk that is labelled desk 24. you see it on the right side? sort of a hidden gem of the senate chamber. desk 24 is most commonly referred to as the candy desk. . it is a desk on the senate floor that is literally a stockpile of sweets. it is not just a random extra desk the candy lobby controls. this is an actual senator's desk on the senate floor. the traditional of the senate desk started in the '60s when george murphy had a wicked sweet tooth and he would pack his desk full of candy and share candy with senators and past his time in the senate the tradition stuck. whoever is at 24 is the candy senator. the current candy senator is pat toomey of pennsylvania. his office told us it is stocked with candy native to his home
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cynicism about all of our institutions. we are cynical about government and about washington most of all. it's hard for our children to see in the noisy and too often trivial pursuits of today's politics the possibilities of our democracy. our capacity together to do big things. this place can help change that. it can help to light the fire of imagination. plant the seed of noble ambition in minds of future generations. >> obama continued by saying it's maybe not just for kids. the replica senate will open to the public tomorrow in massachusetts. it is sort of astounding how close it is to the real thing. but that spot, just outside of boston maybe the only place in america where you can see with
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