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♪ ♪ >> we want to be known as a state that does not discriminate. >> now hutchinson is sending the bill back to lawmakers. >> it's going to be interesting to see how asa hutchinson balances his base. >> walmart. >> with walmart. >> i think -- >> negotiations to stop iran from building a nuclear bomb were extended again. >> secretary of state kerry briefed president obama and his national security team by teleconference. all the negotiators are tired and frustrated. this is like groundhog day. >> when i look at how we started
out here and they started out there, we keep moving in almost every issue. >> i live under a justice department cloud. i'm outraged that this cloud has not been lifted. >> men en did he say is the first senator charged with bribery in 35 years. >> i'm outraged at prosecutors at the justice department who were tricked with false allegations by those with a political motive to silence me. i will not be silenced. >> it's the top of the hour. welcome to morning joe. with us onset we've got catty kay. you jumped down from washington. the president of the council on foreign relations, richard haas and new york times reporter jeremy peters and very happy about mcdonald's. at least a good start. >> yes, yes. >> we'll talk about that. >> willie and i were laughing because, you know when i said we'll see if he chooses walmart -- >> walmart.
yes mrs. walton yes, ma'am, yes, sir. >> there's a fascinating story on the front page of the new york times this morning. measures exposed to visions in gop ranks. you actually yes, the democrats are all on one side. but this debate is really raging between a republican mayor in indianapolis against a republican governor. you've got asa hutchinson saying that his son is signing a petition telling him to veto the law. and then you've got jeb bush debating himself. so this is really it's republican against republican. >> it shows maybe -- >> it shows the divisions on this issue. >> exactly. whether or not the party will find its way into the future. this will certainly help with big businesses chiming in. big businesses that are run by republicans in some cases. >> it's interesting. big businesses willie and also younger republicans as asa hutchinson said the governor the
arkansas he said there's a generational divide. you go to cpac and supposed to be the right wing's right wing. good luck finding people going around talking about banning gay marriage. you just don't find it. >> i think governor hutchinson watched what happened in indiana. i don't want to bring this into my state. i don't want to tra jekt the image that we're not inclusive. that pressure from apple to walmart and everybody in between. i think a lot of that was generational. ceo's kids talking saying dad, do the right thing here. >> not just from businesses, from other states. that was remarkable too. the other states weighing in and we'll cancel our conventions. they're facing ten being canceled in indianapolis. that's a huge business loss. >> this country moved in warp speed. i'm hard-pressed to think of any other issue that -- almost a time lag from elements of the party and where the two came -- >> i would like to find another issue that moved as quickly.
>> in ten years, you can go back 2004, i say it all the time, karl rove and the republicans put together a bunch of anti-gay marriage initiatives and it was considered to be politically the thing to do to help win those states. ten years later, that would be disastrous. >> exactly. this would have taken months, even years. we'll have what happened and the political ramifications coming up. we want to get to breaking news overnight overseas. police say masked gunmen are cornered after they stormed in campus in kenya. at least 15 dead and more than 60 wounded. at this hour officials say there are similarities to previous attacks by al shabab and al qaeda linked group in somalia. the gunmen opened fire in student dorms and may have hostages. students ran out of the
buildings as a shootout began between the gunmen and guards. most of the dorms have since been evacuated. al shabab claimed responsibility for the attack on a mall in 2013. more than 60 people were killed in that attack. now to nuclear talks with iran which has gone from overtime to double overtime in switzerland. iran, the united states and five other world powers are still negotiating a possible nuclear deal two days after the deadline. enough progress was made to keep talking and secretary of state john kerry is now going to stay through today but germany's foreign minister is warning the talks could collapse. new proposals were likely. state department spokeswoman marie harp tweeted that the latest round of negotiations were "truly an all nighter." "the new york times" reports that hours before tuesday's initial deadline, president obama told kerry to ignore the
timetable. kerry reportedly told him via video conference there was no way to make the deadline. the time says the president told kerry to make it clear that the u.s. was ready to walk away from the table. john mccain has more on this. >> doesn't it look unseemly when the greatest nation in the world, their secretary of state keeps begging for another day of negotiations? doesn't that give the advantage at least psychologically to the iranians who at the same time at the negotiating table have gone they now control lebanon with hezbollah, they control yemen, they now control damascus and they now control baghdad. they're on the move. >> so willie read "the new york times" article this morning and it's fascinating in terms of negotiations where john kerry actually reported via video conference that the iranians just didn't -- he said the iranians don't care about the
deadline. they know we care about it. but they're willing to let it pass and they're using it against us. so let's extend the deadline. i don't know -- i don't know that like -- i would make that negotiating mistake as a 5-year-old. if the deadline doesn't matter to the other side then you have to walk away from the table or you look weak i think. >> doesn't it appear, richard, that iran is holding the cards, that this is the way we're approaching this that they're approaching is we don't need the deal, we don't care about the timeline. we'll walk away. we don't believe you will. what's going to get done in 24 hours that wasn't done? >> the answer is nothing and this is self-imposed. you didn't need a deadline for a framework agreement because you didn't need a framework agreement. you could have waited until the end of june until you got the whole thing. ironically enough this is something a lot of people wanted on the u.s. side to help manage
congress. absent signs of real progress you would have a vacuum. congress would say introduce more sanctions. >> how much harder does it now make it because the reports have gotten out from "the new york times" and other people and andrea has been reporting. we're going to her in one second. these reports that the united states keeps moving and the iranian he is -- you never know they seem to be playing this. certainly the media reports look that way. >> look at the other day. iran totally changes its position on uranium. instead of shipping it out of the country after it was enriched. they said never mind we want to keep it inside the country. no coincidence that happens up against this deadline. for them it was a test as to how much leverage they had. again, incompetent think this is something of a goal. we've created certain problems for ourselves. the real question now is how you deal with the fact -- even if you get this agreement, let's be honest, to use a metaphor of swiss cheese there's going to
be more holes than cheese. this interim agreement even if you get it will leave open more questions than answers. it won't help us manage the situation. >> let's go live to switzerland to host of andrea mitchell reports, andrea mitchell. andrea, how long could this go? >> reporter: i think they're going to finish today. as richard was pointing out what we're told is it may be less than what was hoped for. let's take it back for a moment. only the iranians are speaking substantively. zarif and his deputy foreign minister. they're saying what you get from an occasional frank foreign minister. the last ten meters are the hardest. the u.s. is not talking at all. on the record or off the record. the bottom line is that the iranians are running circles around the americans in terms of public diplomacy. they're setting the expectations. the world media is hinged on
what he might say going in or out of breakfast. today going into breakfast, he said there has been substantial progress. at this hour as i just left across from here the p 5 plus one the global leaders plus europe are all meeting and discussing what was on the table between zarif and kerry until 6:05 this morning. they went all day and all night with the european union representative in the middle of this. they're talking about sanctioning. they're talking whether the unilateral sanctions that have been imposed mostly under this administration, under tim geithner in '09 and 2011 whether the sanctions should be lifted. not the u.n. saxnctions that they said, should they be suspended or phased out. also talking about the fact that as it was said today at the
reporters at breakfast, it looks like what will be announced is less than -- just what has been agreed to what has not been agreed to still what has to be done by june. as you you pointed out, it was self-imposed. they made the deadline because of congress and now they're stuck with it. >> andrea, thank you very much. it looks like there will be some sort of conclusion today. and then the controversies will begin politically. >> according to "the new york times" and other reports and richard, the president and the council of foreign relations seem to be running circles around us substantively and playing the press. >> in terms of the negotiating strategy it looks like the americans have been -- that may be partly because president obama wanted a deal very urgently, maybe because secretary kerry invested so much in trying to get a middle east deal earlier, failed to that get that, wants to get this deal
instead in order to get some sort of deal under his legacy. there are a whole host of legacies that put the white house at a disadvantage. it's worth remembering that there are compelling reasons for the iranians to come to the table too and get some kind of a deal. the sanctions they want lifted. syria, lebanon, yemen and iraq. i think we should not ignore that there are valid reasons why the iranians are at this table and they too have an interest in getting a deal as well. >> what's interesting, richard, very quickly, sometimes you get the best deal. as you know better than anybody here by walking away from the table. reagan did it in '85 and '86. got a series of historic arms deals and the clashes of the soviet union. walking away from the table doesn't mean the end of the process. saying we're not going to let
you push us around anymore. >> particularly, when people know the real deadline isn't now, it's three months. who started iranian negotiating behavior would think people are going to make the sale before the market closes. you have 90 days before it closes. we should just relax. let's go to indiana where we began here. a deal has reportedly been struck to revise the stakes controversial religious freedom law. they will announce a proposal at 59 a.m. that clarifies the law that businesses cannot discriminate against gay customers. this comes after a day in which the men's basketball final four coaches released a joint statement agreeing with the ncaa's criticism of the bill. jeb bush who at first said he supported the law reportedly softened his language telling a
group of donors we shouldn't discriminate based on sexual orientation. meanwhile the new republic is out calling chris christie and rand paul for not taking a position on the issue. i ask that changes be made in the legislation. i've asked that the leaders of the general assembly to recall the bill so that it can be amended to reflect the terms of the federal freedom and restoration act. my son seth signed the petition asking me, dad, the governor, to veto this bill. and he gave me permission to make that reference. it shows that families and there's a generational difference of opinion on these issues. >> as we mentioned earlier, arkansas-based retail giant
walmart which came out in opposition of the bill released a statement commending the governor for reconsidering and encouraging the legislature to "make certain any legislation does not encourage discrimination." jeremy peters a lot to get through from indiana to arkansas. let's go back to indiana for a moment. what's the distinction? what's the difference now in the law thafts on the table a few days ago and the one that's there now? >> part of the problem is that -- the reason why there's such a or furor over there you don't need a legal reason to discriminate against gay people because in most states gay people are not protected under civil rights law and they won't be protected under this indiana proposal if it passes. that's the problem. the laws look as if they're coming from a dark place. they are designed in many cases to express a disapproval by gay relationships. that's what's so upsetting to people about this. >> take us through the thinking and strategy of asa hutchinson
the governor of arkansas, after he watched what happened in indiana. what was he thinking yesterday when he said he's put tg to the side until it's? changed? >> he was thinking like a pragmatist. this is the last thing the party needs to be drawn into is another battle in the culture wars. the republicans lose these battles in the court of public opinion. they lose them especially with younger voters and you look at how quickly public opinion has changed. i'm not talking about gay marriage. just acceptance of gays in general. the notion that just eight years ago, i'm sorry, six years ago a majority of americans thought that gay conduct was morally unacceptable and now that's completely flipped. >> jeremy peters thank you very much. still head on morning joe, we'll see if david axelrod has advice for democrats with a top senator under criminal indictment and a presidential contender and a mess over e-mails.
he joins us onset. also is the u.s. providing air cover for ethnic cleansing in iraq? author michael weiss is here with his new reporting on that and former cia director michael hayden. from two of the best shows on tv mad men and orange is the new black, elisabeth moss and jason biggs are here. we'll talk about that and a whole lot more. we'll be right back.
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20 past the hour. as we follow-up on this religious freedom laws a story in two states now and how rapidly it's changed, it also reveals, i think, certain potential presidential contenders some not having an opinion, some lurching to one. marco rubio came forward -- >> what did he say? >> we'll show the bite a little bit later.
he was incredibly on it. i'm not sure he was with the times. >> i probably wants to pull back now. willie again, jeb bush taking two completely different positions in a couple days. >> yeah. this has been a litmus test. some haven't spoken out. i don't think we've heard from rand paul or chris christie. marco rubio has been pretty clear on a lot of issues. with iran, you can have the economy or a bomb but not both. he's come out pretty clearly. >> this is an interesting one. jeb stuck a tough line on immigration and education. he hasn't decided to -- on this he's very socially conservative. a convert to catholicism. you can see for jeb personally, this is a conflicting issue. i think that's why we've seen a rare moment of jeb bush kind of speaking both sides of an issue. >> show that met more to sis coming up. >> a huge story out of california. the state resorting to drastic
measures to combat the drought plaguing california. governor jerry brown slashing state use of water by 25%. nbc news. miguel almaguer has the latest on a dire situation. >> in the snow starved sierra mountains where this snow pack measuring station should be buried under 5 feet of snow governor jerry brown made history. >> we're in an historic drought. that demands unprecedented action. for that reason, i'm issuing an executive order mandating substantial water reduction across our state. >> water use must be slashed by 25%. because reservoirs across the region are running on 'em tip as seen in this drone video documenting bone dry record breaking conditions. nasa says this epic drought
affects 64 million americans across the west. it's called unprecedented. >> the single worst drought of the last 150 years and possibly approaching the last drought of the 500 to 1,000 years. >> the governor says californians need to change the way they live. but in a state with 1.5 million swimming pools and sprawling growth, that won't be easy. cities like long beach have fined businesses like this mcdonald's for wasting water. now they're installing new water meters so-called electronic ankle bracelets to monitor consumption. >> in most cases absolutely. it changes their behavior quickly. they know we're watching and you can't hide. >> fallout from the crippling crisis will tarnish some of the most spectacular sights. the ribbons of white at yosemite national park will turn to a trickle by june. some state rivers will soon become creeks. even trees are dying. >> this is the new normal.
we'll learn how to cope with it. >> my gosh. >> that's unbelievable. >> that's a big story. >> bill karins said in way too early, if this was the east coast, we'd be talking about it nonstop. this has crippled. you've seen the extremes in the winter, we're freezing on the east coast, they're burning up out there. >> boston has 6 feet of snow or whatever it is. we'll have to follow this on a daily basis. let's get a couple of other papers in here. 11 former atlanta teachers and administrators were found guilty yesterday convicted of racketeering a scheme in which students' test scores were falsely inflated on standard exams going back to 2005. allegations of a widespread cheating scandal surfaced when answer sheets were found to have a suspicious number of wrong to right corrections. they now face a possible maximum sentence of 20 years.
another 5 to 10 years for other felony charges. despite pleas to remain free on bond until sentencing the judge was adamant. >> i don't like to send anybody to jail. it's not one of the things i get a kick out of. but they have made their bed and they're going to have to lie in it. it starts today. >> wow. >> well, i mean that was a big story when it broke. obviously, anything less would have been a horrible example for the kids taking it the tests. >> they're not doing it for the kids it's for their own reputations. >> gives a whole new meaning to detention. >> yeah. >> we need to look at the s.a.t.s by the way. >> the raleigh news observer. an investigation at duke university after a noose was found hanged from a tree on campus. it was discovered early wednesday morning. the vice president of student affairs said in a statement, to whomever committed this hateful
and stupid act, if your intent was to create fear it will have the opposite effect. on wednesday, hundreds of students and faculty members marched across campus in protest chanting we're not afraid. we stand together. >> yeah. coming up secretary of state john kerry has been the leader for the u.s. and nuclear negotiations with iran. former cia director michael hayden says that's a mistake. he tells us what secretary kerry's role should be. >> look at richard. he appears to be agreeing off camera. mcdonald's becomes the latest company to announce it's raising wages for its employees. >> are you excited about that mika? not enough but a good start. why are 700,000 employees not going to see more money? >> if -- >> you can afford vienna. >> if you can afford vienna. i have a wandering eye. i mean, come on.
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♪ it's 30 past the hour. we have mike monday ak will at the table. hello. >> good morning. >> to the president of -- heather mcgee. welcome to the show. >> great to be here. >> a lot going on. we have a couple of quick must-reads. governor the connecticut, dannel malloy. >> you guys had a lovely interaction this week. >> yeah. >> he's made the weather nicer
for you. you should be happy. >> thank you, governor. >> in "time" magazine, mike pence knew what he was doing. codifying discrimination in law should be something we read about in history not on the front pages of america's newspapers and magazines. fortunately, connecticut has been joined by many elected officials, business leaders and organizations across the nation who are standing up against this discriminatory law. i am a person of faith who believes deeply in the right to exercise religious beliefs. that's not what indiana's law is about. it's a matter of religious freedom, may provide a palatable message to some but ultimately indiana is using religion as a legal basis for treating some americans as second class citizens. >> from the "wall street journal." this is written. why the iran deal is irrelevant. north korea proves that the talks model measures of coercion or threat won't work.
nuclear negotiators immunity no matter how or when -- iran's nuclear bomb and ballistic programs will go forward as north korea's did. the next u.s. president has defined an alternative to the existing nuclear negotiations model. >> this mcdonald's. is the latest company to announce it's raising starting wages for employees. it is a good start. workers at 1500 companywide locations will be paid at least a dollar an hour above the local minimum wage. as of july 1st the average starting wage will be $9.90 an hour and more than $10 by 2016. this applies to about 90,000 employees. but the change does not affect 750,000 employees at more than 12,000 franchised locations across the u.s. workers eligible for the
increase will receive up to five days of paid vacation after a year of employment less than 40% of all workers in the bottom 10% of earners currently receive paid time off. new ceo, steve easter brook says he understands critics may believe that changes are not enough but these are initial steps and the company can review wages and benefits. heather, i have to say that it's great to see any change in this. >> it is. it's great. >> but it actually shows just how completely. >> poverty wages. >> how bad the situation is. that this is a sign of progress. there's so many people that are sitting at the very bottom literally in jobs that they can't afford to have. they have to have another job. >> right, exactly. it all started a little over a year ago with 200 workers here in new york city walking off the job for a one-day strike. you have to recognize how hard that is. it's not like they're protected by a union, this is a gm
sitdown. this is workers who lose the day of pay mean they don't make their rent. they're not protected by anything. that started the fight for 15 all across the country. it's having these waves. what we want to see next is the franchise. >> consistent changes. >> mike this follows up on a lot of trouble for mcdonald's. they're struggling as a company, as a corporation. struggling to keep up with the times. i think while you see walmart doing this and other people doing this, you almost get the sense with mcdonald's, this was almost as much as of a p.r. move as it was about wages. >> you're right. they have a new ceo. you referenced him. they have a stale, tired menu that's been the same for 20 30 years. >> come on. what are you talking about? what are you talking about? you are a communist. you think baseball is a stale game because it has nine players. >> let this sink in about mcdonald's and this story. this is a huge jump now.
this is a good thing. people are going to get a pay raise. still living below the poverty level. after they work a year inform this deal they will finally get five days vacation. >> are you kidding me? >> finally get five days vacation. >> it's not enough. a company like this heather, has problems because they have been around for so long and there are certain changes that -- remember our lunch with -- how she talked about in the early '80s, she was looking ahead at even the diet revolution and how they had to sort of change their product over time and mcdonald's is trying to catch up with that end of things which is more expensive to do i'm shower. we can appreciate the changes they've made. but at the same time, there's hundreds of thousands of employees living -- they're still profitable corporation, right? they made $5 billion in profit last year. we looked at the gap between the ceo pay and the worker pay, it's
the highest in fast food. over 1,000 to 1. this is still a place where somebody is making money. the shareholders and the ceos. we know that investing in the frontline workers, right, you go up to the counter, that's your experience. that's probably the way they need to go in order to you have the level of customer service. >> willie the other side of the debate is you'll hear a lot of people saying, mike talking about five days off, but a lot of them are part-timers, college students. they're retired people who want to give back and do some work. that's usually the other side of it debate. >> yeah. there are certainly two sides to it. i think this is a step in the right direction. as heather points out, back of the envelope shows if it's 10 bucks an hour, if you're lucky to work 40 hours a week. that's 400 bucks.
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sovereignty. we want dates and times. weep want numbers. i suspect we're still talking past one another. >> general, there's a report in "the new york times" this morning that john kerry reported back to the president of the united states that the deadline didn't mean anything to the iranians. it seemed to mean more to us. i thought i would be able to pick a fight with a former vermont governor but he agreed with me. he says it seems like the iran iranians need it more than we do. we seem to be desperate for a deal, the roles are reversed. >> i agree with the governor. >> i do too. he's right. >> yeah. this has become the center spees, the load star of the administration's foreign policy. syria policy and ukraine policy is being organized around the need to keep this negotiation on track. already, joe -- by the way, if the iranians take yes for an
answer, which is what frankly we've offered them i think we've legit mated the iranian state, welcomed them back into the family of nations. we may or may not have a deal. it almost doesn't matter. they're still doing all that other stuff that makes us troubled and worried and legitimately so. now we treat them as normal. >> we give them acceptance at the height of their power. >> should john kerry be negotiating? >> for me? >> for you, general. >> john kerry, should he be leading the negotiations? this on and on -- do you see a precedent for this? >> look i'm made uncomfortable by it. the secretary of state should be a bit detached. have a wendy sherman like negotiator there, someone who is very good. but the secretary of state should not be coe opted by the process of the talks. the secretary of state should not be in a position where he now almost takes ownership for
the success because he's so personally invested. he needs to be a bit detached. >> we need somebody almost with a hossian type stature richard haas. i take it you agree with the general? >> in two ways. you want to leave your principal figure, your secretary of state to close the deal. you want to keep it in reserve. second of all, all the hours spent doing this you're not doing other things. secretaries of state only have so much bandwidth, so many hours in a day. what about china, the trade talks, what about dealing with global issues from climate to cyber. >> yeah. >> there's a real opportunity cost of doing it. >> let me ask you or general ask you, isn't the other side of this potentially secretary kerry, if he's hands off and there are others in the middle it just gives iran the opportunity to be slippery which we've had that experience
before? isn't there an element of value to getting in there and holding them accountable face to face in these negotiations? >> mika frankly, it's going to be a long time they'll be slippery. i don't think the secretary of state's presence makes that more or less likely. >> michael, the negotiations that are happening in lucerne, switzerland has become complicated over the past few weeks by the explosion of violence that we've seen emerging in yemen and iraq as you write about. you know these things are all inex trick bli linked to each other. is this complicating what's happening there? >> i would think so. the iranians don't need a nuclear weapon. what they want to achieve is what they want a weapon to achieve. mainly the ex pourtation of the islamic revolution. as john mccain, you've quoted him saying they control tehran,
damascus baghdad, beirut. this is only spreading. the result of this people think, well iran could be a stabilizing force in the region. posted a big piece of obama's grand strategy, bringing them in. this is not about a -- they're not a stabilizing force. >> let's talk about that. you say u.s. air power, the battle tikrit and across iraq is providing air cover for ethnic cleansing and you say that iran iranian-backed militias are as bad as isis. >> they're beheading people, torturing them on camera. the u.n. human rights commission released a report on just the situation in iraq. so they accuse obviously, isis of genocide and all manner of atrocities that we've covered in the western media. the shia militia groups are
leaving "a trail of death and destruction in their wake." they have burned villages to the ground tortured sunnis in one case in the siege of a.m.erly. they arrested a shia turkman, a fellow shia and tortured and interrogated him. they made him pray in the shia way to prove his bone a fids. for those saying the iranians are helping us out to keep baghdad, are we day trading? are we going to pay much more for this down the road? >> absolutely, joe. our interests and iranians interest are not coincident. dave petraeus said the real problem is not isis but iran. in the long-term, he's got that exactly right. >> richard? >> iran is an imperial power. we shouldn't kid ourselves. the fact that it's associated with the -- it alienates the
sunnis who we're trying to keep from going into isis. we're going to pay an enormous price for it. >> how significant is it general, mike wanted me to ask this question. he's upsetting up fantasy baseball leagues for the new season. how are they using the ground troops going into yemen? is in a game changer, saudi arabia egypt starting to move without the united states backing? >> it is, joe. it suggests very important things. number one, it suggests the great detachment we have and the lesser confidence that our allies have in this. more fundamentally, joe it points out the tectonic in the region and around which the contest in the region will organize itself. that's the sunni, shia split. we're in for a long haul there.
richard talked about the european 30 years war. i think he's right. this is a generation plus now. >> when isis went into iraq last summer they unleashed what we're now seeing as this massive split between sunnis and shias. they also got america to play right into their hands by beheading american hostages on television. they made isis the number one enemy in the region. we kind of got distracted from the iranians because it was the americans that we were watching being beheaded. we're not seeing americans beheaded by shia militias. we're seeing iraqs. >> the shia militias threatened to shoot down warplanes in iraq. a final point on this. tikrit is now largely liberated from isis control thanks to u.s. air power. today the "washington post" reports that there's graffiti in farsi reading death to america. you want to talk about inherent contradictions. we are enabling our enemies by defeating another enemy. >> we're frightened when we see
the isis flag flying over cities. this morning, reports are coming out of iraq that two flags are flying now. it's the flag of iraq and the flag of the shiite militias backed by iran and graffiti saying death to america. yea, we won tikrit. thank you michael and general. the recovery efforts following the germanwings plane crash are in a new phase this morning. why victims' families may be forced to wait months, months foreclosure. we'll be right back. "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, that's what i'd like to do.
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we're covering efforts following the crash of germanwings flight 9525. in a new phase this morning. one week after the fraj di crews are finished collecting human remains in the french alps, but families must wait month as officials try to match the remains to dna profiles. not one body was found intact. a german tabloid is reporting that co-pilot andreas lubitz lied to doctors saying to have been treating him for an eye condition. citing sources close to the crash investigation, bild says lubitz told doctors he was on sick leave and not flying airplanes. nbc news has not been able to confirm the report. set aside about $300 million to cover the cost of the crash. lufthansa has announced it will
award $7.5 million to relatives as immediate compensation. and french police are rejecting reports that video exists of the plane's final moments before it crashed. >> it seems like the story goes from bad to worse. >> this is one of those grim stories, put your hand in the sand and wish you didn't know. every time we get a new development -- >> there's obvious -- >> the poor family members, the more they learn and the more they must think about how -- you can't think about it. those last moments. >> we'll be covering these developments. coming up at the top of the hour david axelrod will be onset. talking with joe and the two of them. look at them. just stop. also the "washington post," jonathan capehart joins the discussion on indiana's controversial religious freedom lieu, plus diplomats are still talking to reach an agreement with iran and critics are piping in even though they don't know what's in the deal. are we closer to a deal?
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it seems like they're trying to make her look good. check out the headlines. first, hillary invents method for getting straw into capri sun pouch first try. that's impossible. hillary forces time warner repairmen to give you a 20-minute window instead of a two-hour window. then this story. hillary meerkats bill mumbling to himself. everyone is meerkating. this is the best one. hillary says all gauc at chipotle this year. welcome back to "morning joe." jeremy peters mike barn ak will and joining the conversation former senior adviser to president obama, director of the university of chicago's institute of politician and contributor, david axelrod. in washington pulitzer prize winning writer for the "washington post" and msnbc contributor, jonathan capehart. >> we had the chipotle joke at
the end. >> i would eat there every day. but then there was the store by you can't look at one of those without 1,000 calories. >> it's a step in the right direction. >> i was just leefdrelieved that the gauc was on her. generally it ends up on me. >> jonathan capehart. does anybody get chipotle anymore after seeing that story you can't look at without gaining 1,000 calories? >> i've never been. >> that's why you look so food. >> he's never been. it's a good place. mcdonald's, they're trying to -- >> kids love it. they go there regularly. don't need to eat the whole thing, joe. just have some restraint. >> enough for two meals. >> it literally, two people could eat one. think about that. >> a lot to get to. we're going to start in indiana this hour. where a deal has reportedly been
struck to revise the state's controversial religious freedom law. the indianapolis star says lawmakers will announce a proposal at 9:00 a.m. clarifying the law ensuring that businesses cannot discriminate against gay customers. according to the star it doesn't go as far as as them a protected class of citizens statewide or repealing the law outright. this comes a day after the men's basketball final four coaches released a joint statement agreeing with the ncaa's criticism of the bill. and jeb bush said he supported the law, reportedly softened his language, telling a group of donors "we shouldn't discriminate based on sexual orientation." . florida senator marco rubio hasn't commented on the bill since defending it on monday. >> the issue is should someone provide the professional service be punished by the law because they refuse to provide that service to a ceremony they
believe is in violation of their faith. i think people have a right to live out religious faith in their life. they can't impose it on you. when you're asking someone to do something or be punished by law that violates their faith, you're violating that religious liberty he has. >> how does he walk back from that or maybe he doesn't want to? >> maybe he doesn't want to. >> >> in arkansas, there's a similar controversy. >> i asked that changes be made in the legislation. i've asked that leaders of the general assembly to recall the bill so that it can be amended to reflect the terms of the federal religious freedom and restoration act. my son seth signed the petition asking me, dad, the governor to veto this bill. and he gave me permission to make that reference.
it shows that families and there's a generational difference of opinion on these issues. >> that's one way to walk back. >> because it seems so sincere because his son is exposing his own feelings. let's talk about "the new york times" story. david axelrod. rights measures exposed visions in the gop's ranks. there is a real generational, i've said it time and time again. cpac derided by many as being a far right enclave, good luck finding people passing out petitions banning gay marriage. because most of them are college students, most are young. there is a generational divide and jeb bush might have got caught in the middle of it. >> the problem for jeb bush he staked his candidacy on standing up to the right on immigration reform, on education reform. i wonder whether he feels he doesn't have the running room to defy some of the more strident voices in the party on other issues.
this, of course, has been the problem for their nominees the last two rounds. john mccain and mitt romney were center right republicans but felt they had to make bargains with the right to be the nominee and they made themselves unelectable. jeb bush has to worry about that. >> time and time again. in the iowa debate one of the defining moments of the iowa debates when mitt romney went so far out there on immigration. so nobody could accuse him of being a moderate on immigration. he did make himself unelectable in the fall. >> i think that was an egregious mistake for him, fatal mistake for him. their attitude was get the nomination, as long as you get the nomination, obama is weak, you're going to win. it was a miscalculation. >> part of the reason we're seeing a shift here or one could argue part of the reason is and arkansas specifically the retail giant walmart came out in opposition of the bill and released a statement commending the governor for reconsidering and encouraging the legislature
to make sure any legislation does not encourage discrimination. you say there's a generational divide. i tend to agree with you. how does that explain marco rubio who is quite young. do you think he was genuine when he defended the law? >> i don't know. i'll let rubio explain that. there's not only a generational divide. i think it's financial. the times story you were reading to me. this is a division not only between young and old, it's also a division between social and main street chamber of commerce. >> it gets so that the republican party's dilemma. third paragraph of the front page story. this is a pro-business party with a gay exception. that exception comes into play over and over again said charles francis. founder of the republican unity coalition during the bush administration. >> yeah. >> no doubt about it. jonathan capehart, yesterday, willie and i mischievously asked
if asa is going to listen to his base or the walmart. we knew yesterday. >> it was his son. >> he listened to his son but -- i've got a big push by walmart saying no -- >> backed up by walmart. you know to add on to what mike just talked about, the thing i find interesting is not just the generational shift and the divide between the chamber of commerce and the small businesses, we've got a cultural shift going on here. in the 1960s, during the civil rights movement you had african-americans leading the fight for their own civil rights indignity. if the lunch count her -- the thing was happening trying to desegregate public accommodations and you would have had businesses siding with the segregationists saying no way, weep don't want to serve blacks. fast forward to today, what's happening in indiana and arkansas and while gay groups
and gays and lesbians are pushing against these laws the loudest voices in this situation have been big business. apple, tim cook's op-ed in the "washington post." walmart. you also had sales force. you had lots of big business marriott owned and operated by devout mormons who changed position. >> i thought yesterday what they said was fascinating. with marriott jonathan said owned by did he voit mormonse owned by did he voit mormonsevout mormons. >> the accelerated pace of change and pace of change. it was literally overnight. i would submit this to the table. the behavior the actions of mike pence, the indiana legislature and others in the republican party around the country, raises the question, i think, among the electorate, among a vast majority of the
electorate is their america why is it so different from our america. the acceptance of same-sex marriage the acceptance of so many things socially, culturally that some republicans, not all republicans, tend to put off and resist and fight against. >> mike this is a nightmare for reince priebus and the republican leadership. they want to shove this to the side. they don't want the election about these issues. now it's racing back. where is rand paul in all this? the libertarian position would be against this law and he's been very quiet about this. i don't think he wants to cross swords with the social conservatives. >> not the first one who has had a son come out on the republican side. remember rob portman. his son came out and said my son is gay and now i've changed my position on gay marriage. you've got kids changing their parents' positions. >> or kids being used.
just saying. i think it was well-played. i like it a lot. i'm not being cynical. i like asa a lot. it was well-done. >> he handled it versus pence and it's like night and day. >> i think kids kind of -- i don't mean it used in some sort of terrible -- >> nudging their parents. it doesn't make sense to us. politically, it was harder for asa in arkansas than for pence in indiana. >> absolutely. >> i was wondering how asa was going to get out of this. i di he did very well. i think it was -- >> everything about it -- >> i'm not questioning him using his son. that seemed sincere to me. >> the follow-up, there's a generational divide guys and we got to talk about it? >> this whole thing to me has been inspiring because of the way the country rallied around. this is the way democracy should work. >> several conventions
threatening to cancel there. the republican race for president remains wide open. three swing states. key swing states. former florida governor jeb bush is still on top in his home state but he's down eight points from two months ago. governor john kasich is ahead in ohio where bush doesn't crack the top five. in pennsylvania the top choice for 2016 among registered republicans is don't know. on the democratic side. hillary clinton still has big leads in all three states and vice president joe biden and senator elizabeth warren in three states. >> i understand why people in the establishment would say bush. it's a bush. it's a brand. we're going to give money to jeb. he was a great governor. he did a great job for eight years in florida. but there's so many questions around his candidacy. he's nationwide. he's got a 31 46 approval
rating he's upside down 15 points. yet, all the money, all the big consultants, all the so-called smart guys in the rooms are rush being there and it seems -- >> part of the reason is that if he were to navigate his way through the nominating process, keeping his position on immigration reform he has a genuine kinship with the hispanic community. that makes a big difference. that puts several states including florida into play. democrats on this demographic advantage they have. that goes away. his brother got 44% of the hispanic vote in 2004. if bush were to get that kind of a vote it would change the game in many ways. that's one of the reasons why people are attracted to him. >> jeremy peters seen jeb bush campaigning up close three times now statewide. i must say i've never seen anybody more effective campaigning in places like miami
like half the crowd is talking in english and the other half grabs at him and speaks to him in spanish. he's fluent. there is just no divide there. republican candidate that can take that to new mexico can take that to arizona and colorado and to florida, can take that to all these other states, that is a republican in a general election at least that would scare a lot of democratic consultants. >> it scares them not just for the appeal that he has to hispanics as david was just talking about, but he also opens republican party up to more women. i mean that was another problem that romney had in 2012. he alienated a lot of women. jeb bush's people hate it -- this softer edge kind of smoothing out the rougher edges the republican party has on a lot of the issues is more than going at hispanics.
it's about making him more alluring to female voters who have basically tuned out republicans. >> we want to quickly turn to iran before we go to break. david axelrod, the politics of this, so far the negotiations are in double overtime and being described by critics as unseemly and a bad deal. what do you say to that? >> i say i don't know what's in the deal. i'm not going to comment on it. nobody does. we have to wait and see. there are standards people are going to apply in terms of the ver fieblt of it, the length of it. how the sanctions are handled. we don't know the answers to the questions. >> is it unseemly to push into double overtime. >> i think what would be unseemly to not give this every possible chance because the question i always ask people who are opposed to it what's your alternative plan? the program has been frozen for the year and a half that the negotiations are going on. iran is going to go back to its program and then what's the next
option? >> can i play the game with you? is that okay? >> we've got a new game show. it's why is joe wrong? i guarantee you, look at his eyes. unlike -- >> i wouldn't -- >> not going to let me down. >> fine. good luck joe. >> david, a lot of people have been saying as i've been saying that the white house has made this such an important priority that they almost seem desperate for a deal and given the iranians leverage in negotiations and pushing past this deadline is one more example of the fact that this white house wants it too much. why am i wrong to believe that the white house would get a better deal if they walked away and made the iranians come to them? >> first of all, the iranians i think both sides want a deal the iranians for their own reasons. their economy has been shackled by the sanctions. i was with the president when he
traveled the world assembling the coalition. a lot thought it couldn't happen. that that's what brought them to the table. the fact is, if you walk away from it the question is how long will the sanctions hold, how long will the europeans stick and russia and china stick with the sanctions? now is the time to press the issue. the sanctions were not meant to be forever. the sanctions were meant to bring about negotiations and bring a resolution. >> let's go to tehran right now. we were going to do it later. tehran bureau chief, al i can't rose i can't. what can you tell us about the negotiations and what you're hearing on the ground there? >> mika there was a flurry of activity, offers and counteroffers. one of the major issues seems to be sanctions relief. the u.s. wants to see if they can ease e.u. and sanctions on oil, banking and finance separately from united nations sanctions. iran has always said they want
sanctions not incrementally. they are considering this right now. there's been a flurry of activity. both sides have reached a bottleneck and blaming each other for not going the extra mile. their language has become more sharper. the iranians have to be respected and the white house not wanting to look to keen to reveal. the regime in tehran doesn't usually respond well to threats, especially from america. the senior iranian general says the -- despite that the negotiating teams are still talking to each other. the feeling from lucerne is that some sort of statement will come out today. i doubt it will be an all encompassing statement to address everybody's fears. what we have to see now is the statement comes out, will it form the basis for a comprehensive agreement by the
30th of june. mika? >> nbc's alley arouzi. thank you very much. jeremy peters thank you very much. david axelrod and jonathan capehart if you can stick around. it is the end of an era for madmen. elisabeth moss is here to talk about the closing episodes and her new role on the broadway stage. it's a column about senate minority letter harry reid. why it was killed more than two years ago. >> this doesn't sound good, does it? >> very ugly. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. hey, girl. is it crazy that your soccer trophy is talking to you right now? it kinda is. it's as crazy as you not rolling over your old 401k. cue the horns... just harness the confidence it took you to win me and call td ameritrade's rollover consultants. they'll help with the hassle by guiding you through the whole process step by step. and they'll even call your old provider. it's easy. even she could do it. whatever, janet. for
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was friends with reid and after that ralston never wrote for the paper again. ralston said he decided to publish if on his own after this interview earlier this week when harry reid refused to apologize for lying about mitt romney. >> so no regrets about mitt romney, about the coke brothers, some people called it mccarthyite. >> they can call it whatever they want. romney didn't win, did he? >> it's unbelievable. mike, when you looked at this for a second. the harry reid statement there is so unbecoming for any united states senator, makes you gas p when he calls them un-american, like mccarthy. he lied about mitt romney. listen there have been a lot of times, we've got david axelrod here and asked him to call out people in his own party and he did that. i call out republicans. this isn't about being republican or democrat. this is unbecoming.
he's said it's okay that i lied. it's okay that i used mccarthyite tactics because we won. >> having nothing to do with being favored in the election. that was a real hit on mitt romney. he hasn't filed taxes in years. this is what i've heard. the larger hit from the media one of the larger hits is john ralston's column to have been pulled from the paper because of the publisher's relationship with harry reid. >> and the 2012 column. ralston wrote we will do whatever it takes to win. no matter the battlefield and the -- after 25 years, we still don't know where he draws the line. if indeed he draws one at all. sometimes the ends do not justify the means even in the political swamp. someone needs to draw the line for reid since he's unable to do it himself. john ralston will be here at 8:30 live. anybody that's involved in
politics, which many of us still believe is an honorable profession, has to flinch when harry reid responds the way he does. >> well that was an ill-advised response i'll say that. >> ill-advised. >> can he give us -- >> here's the -- i'm knot going to defend everything that harry reid has said or done. harry reid is a very very tough guy. the coke brothers are very tough too. >> there's tough and then there's lying. >> joe, harold washington the old mayor used to say politics ain't bean bags. >> there are standards and ethics. what you and other people live by. harry reid lying about mitt romney was wrong, was it not? >> harry reid was trying to provoke mitt romney to release tax returns. >> was it wrong to lie about mitt romney and say it doesn't matter that he's lying. >> it's wrong to say i can say whatever i want and if we win,
it's justifiable. >> specifically what harry reid said there about -- >> about it being okay that he lied about mitt romney. >> what i just said is i don't think that you can justify anything you say by saying, well we won. i don't think that's justifiable in politics. you can't say anything you want. you know as to the particular point. honestly, i don't recall every word that harry said back then in 2012. i know he was trying to provoke romney into releasing his tax returns and he went very far in terms of making insinuations. >> lying. >> we knew he was lying at the time and said so. >> having the peace poll is what -- >> i agree. >> i've seen lying in politics. >> me too. >> censorship in a newspaper of a column because it doesn't -- >> dirty. >> i find that very disturbing. >> guys all i'm telling you is
there's a little bit of casablanca here. i'm shocked to hear there's -- >> not really. >> tough things are said on both sides. things have been said about the president that were reprehensible. >> but you would hope that the senate majority leader would not deliberately lie. and then justify it later on. you would hope that he wouldn't be running amok calling people -- >> he said we won. >> calling people un-american. >> that's not the way to deal with this. to say everything is okay because we won the election. that's not a good answer. >> oh, boy. >> there's a reason why americans hate politics. i've got to say, i've been scratching my head for years on why democrats didn't have chuck schumer leading the way in the senate instead of harry reid. >> well, i mean harry, as david pointed out, harry is a tough guy. he comes from a tough electoral
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welcome back. a 30 past the hour. troubling new report released by the united nations puts the number of foreigners currently fighting for the islamic state and al qaida over 25,000. the foreign born terrorists come from over 100 nations and u.n. experts say the number of fighters has jumped 71% since the middle of last year. the report concludes that the current flow of foreign fighters
has quote higher than it has ever been historically. willie? >> on monday of this week u.s. veteran michelle lang hort shot and killed her sufficient out a v.a. facility in pittsburgh. the v.a. is looking into what if anything we could have done better for this veteran. on "morning joe," we talk about the grim reality of veterans committing suicide every day. the data highlights the vital need for resources for america's returning heroes. someone on the mission every day. army veteran and founder of iraq and afghanistan, veterans of america, paul reikhoff. great to see you. >> feels like it's always under tough circumstances. there are sufficient issues. you've been working on this issue and a lot of people have. >> this is a reality. we have a long way to go. we try to frame it as a public health crisis. we're losing buddies to the left and right of us every day. 31-year-old veteran in the parking lot at the pittsburgh
v.a. she's a member. she participated in our events. we feel like in the community this is almost a daily event. we had good progress in the clay hunt bill one of the only successes. but that's not enough. we have to stay focused on suicide. you're not weak if you seek out help and you can come to the v.a. the v.a. can't satisfy you, the iva others will try to satisfy that help. it's a message we want to communicate to everybody. >> do you know the specifics about her story? the wait times at facilities for vets seeking treatment have been in the hundreds of days. do we know anything about her story? >> no we don't have details. there are privacy concerns. >> sure. >> it also under scores that women are a very significant important critical part of our population about 20% are v.a. women. they frequently report that the care at the v.a. is less satisfactory than the men do. they have a harder time
navigating the bureaucracy. it's a very broken system for women. bob mcdonald is making progress. >> another young woman who -- such a sad story out of tampa. >> what do you think when you see the polls that say 60, 62 63% of americans want u.s. troops to go over and fight isis or fight in syria or fight here or fight there? when we can't even handle the veterans that have been fighting over the past 15 years. >> i think as a community, we're concerned that the american public doesn't understand the full cost of a war. there's a lot of talk about isis funding. there's not a lot of talk about the v.a. funding required to take care of the people funding isis. we're repeating that over and over. congress is not debating how to ramp up resources to take care of people who have already dpon. >> fight a one or two-year war, not how we take care of the vets a generation later. >> the impacts last for decades,
generations. children are affected, husbands and wives are affected. the ripple effects are significant. >> something you said resonated with me. my dad committed suicide. incompetent didn't talk about it for 30 years. i was embarrassed by it. i thought there was something wrong with that. i realized that was wrong. that was why he didn't go get help. >> right. >> these veterans need to understand, this is not a defect of character. it's an illness and they need to get it treated. the v.a. needs to provide that treatment. >> that's our message every day. >> even today, we're launching in the new ad campaign here in rockefeller senn certificateter at the ehe international building. we've got a new campaign that says veterans are heroes. even heroes need help sometimes. >> step forward. it's a provocative campaign a powerful campaign. it sends a message to our veterans that you're not alone and if you have an injury associated with war that is not unusual. mental health injuries are included in the injuries.
step forward reach out to us and other organizations. we want the american people to up too. supporting our group and the other nonprofits donating time resources, money. all the things you can to get their back as they come home. >> for more information, dw to iava.org. to get more nflgs. >> paul thank you so much for everything you do. greatly appreciate it. heard you talking to willie beforehand asking him a provocative question. >> yes. >> what's your bracket look like? >> willie was -- >> he's writing the vanderbilt -- riding vanderbilt bandwagon again. >> i'm four of four. >> i posted on twitter. i had michigan state. >> i want to see. >> i'm four out of four. >> i'm skeptical. >> i think kentucky is going to take it. they're the best college team. they'd probably beat the knicks if that he played them. >> not saying much. >> i'm not an oracle. >> kentucky against duke in the
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against a sitting senator. a doctor in florida traded perks like rounds of golf and expensive trips in exchange for political favorites. both he and the senator have decide any wrongdoing in the past. doj lawyers accuse menendez of using his office to push the obama administration to change medicare reimbursements to help him make millions of dollars. the senator temporarily relinquished his role as ranking member on the foreign relations committee vowing to retake his seat once exonerated. we'll be following that story. he was extremely angry about all of this. >> joining us now the editor of "time" magazine nancy gibbs here to reveal the new cover story. nancy says that this is how nimble time is in terms of keeping up in the news. they changed this cover at the very last minute. >> we watched mike pence's press conference and watching how quickly he had to readjust to the firestorm and for a debate
that's as old as the mayflower to be moving as quickly as this and having so many politicians having to adjust so suddenly really does tell you how much the ground has shifted on this question. religious freedom was not a controversial topic. this was -- that's why the laws have been around. but when it was about the right of jehovah's witnesses not to stand during the pledge of allegiance or the right to wear a beard or veil if you're muslim. that was not a controversial issue. it's a broad consensus. what's concerned people who are champions of religious freedom is that consensus is now tainted with the idea that no, this is about the right to discriminate. that conconsensus, we wanted to get into that tension. >> i want jonathan capehart to jump in in a second. you have a couple of pieces. are these laws necessary? part of the case made for that question by this report of rob
dreher is this. traditional christians find themselves under siege. they do not have a license to -- it raises the bar for proving illegal discrimination in religion-related disputes higher. it grants believers the chance to make their case. a country in which gay rights is enjoying the landslide approval is a country that can afford to give protection a day in court to religious centers from popular sentiment. isn't that a fair argument? >> the argument made that traditional believers in the christian, muslim jewish believe that sexual expression has a moral meaning. which is where their views on gay marriage may come from. you may think they're wrong but the constitution protects their right to be wrong. the protection of unpopular views is a vital american principle. what happens when their right to be wrong, if that's the way you see it runs into the rights of
other people to not be subject to discrimination. would in allow someone to say i can fire a gay employee i can deny a pediatrician who says i refuse the treat the child of a gay couple. where are the lines drawn. that's the debate where it's moving so quickly. i think it's in the context of the fact that the supreme court has essentially settled the question about gay marriage. so this is the next war. this is the after the altar, where is the battleground? >> jonathan capehart you want to jump in? >> i have no problem with what the person wrote in "time" magazine that you just read, mika. the problem with the indiana law was that it shielded private enterprise private businesses from being sued over civil rights grounds, that's one. and two, in indiana sexual orientation was not protected under the state's civil rights laws. so you could have a religious freedom law in a state that has
sexual orientation protected in its civil rights laws and that's why you haven't heard a lot from those states where that's happening. i think it was wise of governor hutchinson of arkansas to look at what was happening in indiana and look at that indiana law and say not in my state, let's go back, let's make it exactly mirror the federal law and let's do this right this time. >> that's exactly what utah did. the same thing played out. but in their case the religious freedom protections came along with protections against discrimination for gays and lesbians lesbians. by coming together, there was not the same explosion of opposition that we saw in indiana. >> willie when things like this explode out of nowhere, mike pence was asked if he was expecting this. clearly he did not. just an explosion. >> expected it on sunday when he went on sunday with george
stephanopoulos. the reaction okay i screwed up on sunday, here's what i meant to say. he also exposed putting the issue aside, the ugliness of the debate that goes on where everyone talks past each other, everyone has their minds made up. it's hard to find a place at this table notwithstanding, where you can have a respectful conversation about issues like this. if you go on twitter and social media and cable news it's people firing shots. >> that's what makes this a fascinating debate. actually, it's why i like the cover so much. there is actually, as nancy said there's always a tension between the first amendment and popular sentiment. it doesn't matter whether you're talking about religion it doesn't matter whether you're -- we had a battle about whether the muslims should have a muslim recreation center or what it was near ground zero. at the end of the day, you go that's offensive to a lot of people.
but, of course. the question of a catholic church or baptist church. >> there's also between politicians who want to play to passions and score political points and politicians who want to solve problems. found a thoughtful solution in utah. in indiana, i feel and in the arkansas legislature, they were playing to passion instead of thoughtfully addressing the issue. >> i would be absolutely hammered in these social media areas. neighborhoods that willie was talking about. >> which bothers you, i'm sure. >> it does. it keeps me up at night. it's why i have this drinking problem. coffee. >> but the -- wouldn't admit he was for gay marriage until he had to face another election. >> he navigated those. what he would say and he said it in response to my book. he said that there was a gap between what his personal
position was and the public position he took. the public position was what he thought the market would bear which is civil unions. he acknowledged that he was uncomfortable with that. >> how remarkable jonathan capehart. we've been talking about how sentiments change. i laughed when people asked me my position on gay marriage. actually, i'm a federalism guy. i know that offends you, i'm more progressive than the president. because i don't think that -- forget what i'm saying the most remarkable point is that president obama was afraid to come out and support of gay marriage until after he didn't face the electorate again. of course he wouldn't make that same calculation -- >> he came out during on the issue during -- may 2012. >> i'm sorry. that's right. >> joe biden pushed him out there. but this isn't about president obama. this is about the market that he wa saying it would bear.
president obama would not be wringing his hands. has moved so quickly. >> incredibly fast. when president obama came out in favor of same-sex marriage in may 2012 for a lot of people he was following instead of leading. the nation was already there. was already in favor of marriage equality. the president at least publicly caught up. you know one more thing before we go to tease. we have to remember when talking about faith and lgbt rights let's not forget that there are a lot of lesbian, gays bisexual and transgender people who are people of faith. for them they have to navigate their faith with who they are. >> jonathan isn't it fascinating that a lot of churches are figuring that out too. as i remind my friends in the church because i'm an ee
evangelical, jesus talked more about divorce than he talked about homosexuality or gay rights. >> i like the way jonathan uses tv speak. >> before we go to break. >> the new issue of time is out. nancy gibbs, jonathan capehart thank you both as well. still ahead. >> i misspoke. it's important in this world we live in. i was rushing to go to break. i didn't mean to say jesus talked about gay rights. what i was saying was, he talked more about divorce, he talked more about lust and other things than he did about, if you look at the red letters in the bible than he talked about homosexuality. sometimes i've been curious my entire life whether it's been such an obsession in the church over this issue that jesus himself was silent on. >> all right. now, we're going to break. >> quoted for saying that. >> we'll be right back.
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>> let's talk about the book daniel. incredible success. everybody here big consumers, but do the kind thing. what is the kind thing you're talking ak? >> for us the kind thing is about doing the kind thing for your body taste buds and world. your body eating nutritious food. taste buds not sacrificing taste and for your world, about trying to live your life with kindness inspiring unexpected acts of kindness. >> this really is in an age of profit sometimes overtaking some of these other things in your life. living mindfully, working purposefully. a lot of companies are latching on to this for their employees, because they get more out of them in the long-run. >> and for ourselves, also i think when you're looking at what you're in this world for it actually gives me a lot more meaning to try to find a way not just to make money but make your small contribution towards life. >> add to life. really. >> started your company in 2004.
>> the kind brand. >> yes. the kind brand. what was the breakthrough moment? because there are 1,000 people in the world who want to make bars like this. whethers luna bars whatever. >> the breakthrough moment was launching kind. 11 years before that i made all the mistakes you could imagine, and i had gotten into the food space, because i was trying to bring neighbors in conflict just to work together, to promote peace through business an as i was doing these ventures i was frustrated with my snacking options and had the idea people were looking for products minimally processed, see what you're putting in your body real ingredients, and nutrients, and combined whole nuts and fruit people started gravitate gravitating. >> we're not going to find out this is really bad for us? something in them you don't expect? >> we make sure the number one ingredients are nutrient -- like
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we want to be know as a state that does not discriminate. >> now hutchinson is sending the bill back to lawmakers. >> it's going to be interesting to see how asa hutchinson balances his base. >> walmart. >> with walmart. i think -- >> it's not like -- >> negotiations to stop iran from building a nuclear bomb were extended again. >> secretary of state kerry briefed president obama and his national security team by
teleconference. all the negotiators are tired and frustrated. this is like groundhog day. >> we started here they started here. we keep moving in their direction on almost every issue. >> i've lived under a justice department cloud. i'm outraged that this cloud has not been lifted. >> menendez is the first senator charged with bribery in 35 years. >> i'm outraged that prosecutors at the justice department were tricked with false allegations by those who have a political motive to silence me. i will not be silenced. welcome back to "morning joe." it's 8:00 on the east coast. 5:00 amt on.m. on the west coast. we have katty kay. >> you have that jacket? >> oh yes. >> katty, don't listen to them. >> i've got so many jackets. >> jealous. exactly. >> jealous. >> i want to borrow that. and richard haass is here. along with jeremy peters in washington. >> looking at the clip and
willie and i were laughing because when i said oh we'll see if he chooses walmart or -- >> he chose -- >> walmart. >> mr. and mr. walton yes, ma'am, yes, sir. >> there's a fascinating story on the front page of the "new york times" this morning. exposed visions in gop ranks. you actually yes, the democrats are all on one side but this debate is really raging between a republican mayor in indianapolis against a republican governor. you've got asa hutchinson saying that his son is -- >> that's a good one. >> is signing a petition telling him to veto the law, and then you've got jeb bush debating himself. so this is really it's republican against republican. >> well and it shows maybe -- >> shows divisions on this issue. >> exactly. and whether or not the party will sort of find its way into the future. this will certainly help with big businesses chiming in and
big businesses that are run by republicans in some cases. >> it's interesting. big businesses willie and also younger republicans. as asa hutchinson said governor of arkansas there's a real generational divide. yesterday you go to cpac supposed to be like the right wing's right wing -- good luck finding people going around there talking about banning gay marriage. you just don't find t. and i think governor hutchinson watched what happened over the last week in indiana and said jo want to bring this into my state, project, whether true or not, the image we are not inclusive and welcome business but that pressure from everywhere apple to walmart and everybody in between and i think a lot of that was probably generational, too. ceo's kids talking to them saying, dad, do the right thing here. >> not just from businesses, the other states. remarkable, too. the other states waging in. ten conventions cancelled in indianapolis, a huge business loss to the community. >> this country moved on warp speed on this issue.
hard pressed to think of any other issue -- >> 24 hours. >> a time lag between elements of party are and when the country is and suddenly the two came in -- >> i would like to find another issue that moved this quickly. >> i can't think of one. >> in ten year go back 2004 again. sigh say it all the time. karl rove and republicans put together a bunch of anti-gay marriage initiatives it was considered to be politically you know the thing to do to help win those states. ten years later, that would be disastrous. >> exactly. this in the past would have taken months to year, but we're going to have chronicling what happened coming up. now to nuclear talks with iran from overtime to double-overtime in switzerland. iran, the united states and fib other world powers are still negotiating a possible nuclear deal. two days after the deadline. the u.s. once again said enough progress was made trying to keep talking, made to keep talking and secretary of state john
kerry is now going to stay through today, but germany's foreign minister is warning the talks could collapse and new proposals were likely. state department spokeswoman marie harf tweeted that the latest round of negotiations were "truly an all-nighter." meanwhile, the "new york times" reports just hours before tuesday's initial deadline president obama told kerry to ignore the timetable. kerry reportedly told him via videoconference there was no way to make the deadline. the "times" says the president told kerry to make clur the u.s. was ready to walk away from the table and now here is republican senator john mccain on this. >> doesn't it look a little unseemly when the greatest nation in the world, their secretary of state keeps begging for another day of negotiations? doesn't that give the advance at least psychologically to the iranians, who at the same time at the negotiating table, have gone they now control lebanon
with hezbollah. they now control yemen. they now control damascus and they now control baghdad. they're on the move. >> so willie you know read the "new york times" article this morning, and it's absolutely fascinating in terms of negotiations, where john kerry actually reported via videoconference that the iranians just didn't -- he said the iranians don't care about the deadline. they know that we care about the deadline but they're willing to let the deadline past. they're using it against us. so let's extend the deadline. i -- i don't know. i don't know that like -- i would make that negotiating mistake as a 5-year-old. i mean if the deadline doesn't matter to the other side then you have to walk away from the table, or you look weak -- i think. >> doesn't it appear richard, that iran is holding the cards, if this is the way we're approaching this? they're approaching, we don't need the deal don't care about the timeline.
we'll walk away. we don't believe you will. why would you keep extending the deadline? what are the things getting done in 24 hours that wasn't done last night? >> nothing. self-imposed. you didn't need a framework because you didn't need a framework agreement. wait until the end of june and get the whole thing. ironically enough this is something a lot of people wanted on the u.s. side to manage congress. they thought absent signs of progress have a vacuum congress would say introduce more sanctions. >> how much harder does it make because reports are out from the "new york times" and other people and, of course andrea rosting, going to her in one second, but these reports that the united states keeps moving and the iranians -- you never know. you better than anybody else the iranians seem to be playing us. the media reports look that way. >> the other day, suddenly iran totally changes its position on uranium. instead of shipping it out of the country instead said never
mind. we now want to keep it inside the country. no convince dhaens that happens just up against this deadline for them it was a test as to how much leverage they had. so, again, i think this is something of an own goal you would say. created certain problems for ourselves and the real question now is how you deal with the fact -- even if you get this agreement, be honest. to use a metaphor of swiss cheese. there's going to be more holes than cheese. this interim agreement even if you get it more questions than answers and not helping us manage the situation. >> live to switzerland. nbc news chief correspondent andrea mitchell. how long could this go? >> reporter: i think they're going to finish today but as richard pointed out what we're told it may be less than was hoped for. let's take a back for a moment. only the iranians are speaking substantively. sarp zarif and his deputy foreign
minister, the only coming out saying what you get from an occasional german french foreign minister the last ten meters are the hardest. the u.s. is not talking at all. is not briefing off the record on the record. so the bottom line is that the iranians are running circles around the americans here in terms of public diplomacy. they are setting the expectations. all of the world media is now hinged on what zarif might say going our out of breakfast and today going into breakfast he said there has been ebelieve substantial progress. at this hour as i just left the building right across from here, the p5+1, global leaders plus europe are meeting and discussing what was on the table between zarif and kerry until 6:05 this morning. they went all day and all night with the european union representative helga schmidt in the middle of this. talking sanction relief. talking whether the eu and
unilateral american sanctions imposed mostly under this administration under tim good nightner in night tim geithner in '09, whether they should be lifted. the unilateral sanctions, phased out or suspended? also talking about the fact as zarif said today to all the reporters at breakfast, it looks like what will be announced is less than just what has been agreed to what has not been agreed to and what still needs to be done by june and as you were pointing out it self-imposeded. they made the deadline because of congress and now are stuck with it. >> andrea mitchell. >> wow. >> thank you very much. it looks like today there will be some sort of conclusion and then the controversies will begin politically. >> and katty, the iranians according to the "new york times" and other reports, and richard, seeing the president and the council of foreign relations running circles around us substantively and also
playing the press. >> look in terms of the negotiating strategy it looks like the americans have been wrong-footed at the hoemt. maybe partly because president obama want add deal urgently. it may be because secretary kerry invested so much in trying to get a middle east deal earlier. >> right. >> failed to get that. and wants to get this deal instead in order to get some kind of deal right under his legacy. a who host of legacies putting the white house somehow at a disadvantage, but it's worth remembering there are compelling reasons for the iranians to come to the table, too, and get some kind of a deal. >> yeah. >> the sanctions, they do want lifted. they have expensive wars that they are conducting by proxy throughout the middle east. syria, lebanon, yemen now and iraq, and it's not -- i think we should not ignore that there are -- there are valid reasons why the iranians are at this table, and they, too have an interest in getting a deal as well. >> what's interesting, though richard, very quickly.
sometimes you get the best deal you know better than anybody here, by walking away from the table. reagan did it in '85-86 and got a series of historic arms deals and the collapse of the soviet union a few years later. sometimes -- walking away from the table doesn't mean the end of the process jutst saying we're not letting you push is around. see you when you're ready to operate in good faith. >> the real deadline now it's three months. whoever's study iranian negotiating behavior would think the people were make the sale before the market's about to close. you got 90 days before this marketplace closes. we should relax. let's go to indiana where we began here. a deal has reportedly been strouk re struck to revise the freedom law. the indianapolis star reports lawmakers announce a proposal at 9:00 a.m. clarifying the law ensures that businesses cannot sdrim discriminate against gay
customers but according to the "star" it doesn't go as far as protecting gays ands slesbians, after the ncaa coaches released agreeing with the bill and jeb bush first said he supported the law reportedly softened his language telling a group of donors, we shouldn't discriminate based on sexual orientation. meanwhile, the new republic out with an article calling senate rand paul and governor chris christie calling them out for not taking a position on the issue. over in arkansas lawmakers are changing course on their own religious freedom measure amid similar controversy. >> i asked that changes be made in the legislation, and i've asked that the leaders of the general assembly to recall the bill so that it can be amended to reflect the terms of the federal religious freedom and restoration act.
my son seth signed the petition asking me dad, the governor to veto this bill. and he gave me permission to make that reference, and it shows that families and there's a generational difference of opinion on these issues. >> as we mentioned earlier, arkansas-based retail giant walmart came out in opposition released a statement commending the governor tore making certain any legislation does not encourage discrimination. jeremy peters a lot to get through here from ind down to arkansas. back to indiana for a minute. what is the distinction, the difference now, in the law on the table a few days ago and the one that's there now? >> well, part of the problem is that, the reason why there's been such a furor over this these law, you don't really need a legal reason to discriminate against gay people because in most states, gay people are not protected under civil rights laws and they won't be protected
under this new indiana proposal if it passes. so that's the problem. it's that these laws look as if they're coming from a dark place. they are designed in many cases to express a disapproval about gay relationship, and that's what's so upsetting to people. >> and take us through the thinking and the strategy of asa hutchinson, the governor of arkansas, after he watched what happened in indiana the last several day, what was he thinking yesterday when he decided to put this to the side until it's been changed? >> he was thinking like a pragmatist. i've been talking to a lot of republicans over the last few days and they all say the same thing. that this is the last thing the party needs to be drawn into is another battle in the culture wars. the republicans lose these battles in the court of public opinion. they lose them especially with younger voters and you look how quickly public opinion changed on the matter. not talking just gay marriage but acceptance of gays in general. the notion that just eight years
ago -- i'm sorry. six years ago a majority of americans thought that gay conduct was morally unacceptable, and now that's completely flipped. >> still ahead on "morning joe," "mad men's" elisabeth moss on set along with jaceson biggs talking about their broadway show. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. . thank you mom, for protecting my future. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are thankful for many things. the legacy of usaa auto insurance could be one of them. our world-class service earned usaa the top spot in a study of the most recommended large companies in america. if you're current or former military or their family, see if you're eligible to get an auto insurance quote.
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it's changed, it also reveals i think certain presidential contenders, some not having an opinion, some lurching to one. marco rubio came forward and was -- >> what did he say? >> incredibly on it and -- >> you mean -- >> i'm not sure he was with the times. >> probably wants to pull back now and willie again, jeb bush taking two completely different positions in a couple days. >> yeah. it's been a litmus test. some candidates haven't spoken out curiously. i don't think we've heard from rand paul or chris christie on this yet but a lot of people waiting to see what they say. marco rubio has been pretty clear on a lot of issues. iran, an economy or the bomb not both. come out clearly. >> for jeb and interesting one, because jeb stuck a tough line on immigration and on education. he hasn't decided to pander to the base on either of those issues, but on this he's very socially conservative of course a convert to catholicism, you can see for jeb personally this is a conflicting issue.
i think that's why we've seen a rare moment of jeb bush kind of speaking both sides of an issue. >> willie? >> a huge story out of california right now. the state resorting to drastic measures to combat the historic drought that's plaguing california. governor jerry brown ordering a mandatory restriction, slashing state use of water by 25%. nbc news national correspondent miguel almaguer has the latest on a dire situation. >> reporter: in the snow starved sierra mountains where this snow pack measuring station -- should be buried under five feet of snow -- governor jerry brown made history. >> we're in an historic drought, and that demands unprecedented action. for that reason i'm issuing an executive order mandating substantial water reduction across our state. >> reporter: the governor says water use must be slashed by
25%. because reservoirs across the region are running on empty, as seen in this drone video documenting bone-dry record-breaking conditions. nasa says this epic drought now affects 64 million americans across the west. scientists call what's happening here unprecedented. >> very likely the single worst drought over the last 150 years and possibly approaching the worst drought of the last 500 to 1,000 years. >> reporter: the governor says californians need to change the way they live. but in a state with 1.5 million swimming pools and sprawling growth, that won't be easy. cities like long beach fined businesses like this mcdonald's for wasting water. now they're installing new water meters, so-called electronic ankle bracelets to monitor consumption. >> in most cases absolutely it changes behavior quickly. they know we're watching and you can't hide. >> reporter: fallout from this crippling crisis will soon tarnish some of california's
most spectacular sites. the ribbons of white as yosemite national park will turn to a trickle by june. some state rivers will soon become creeks. even trees are dying. >> this is the new normal and we'll learn how to cope with it. >> my god. >> isn't that unbelievable? some of those pickturepictures? again, bill karins said if this were happening on the east coast we'd talk about it nonstop. absolutely crippled this -- and you see the extremes in the winters. we're freezing on the east coast. they're burning up out there. >> boston has six feet of snow or whatever it is. it's unbelievable. >> and they're getting no snow. coming up remember when harry reid said this on the senate floor about mitt romney in the heat of the presidential race? >> the word the out he hasn't paid any taxes for ten years. let him prove that he has had taxes, because he hasn't. >> now nevada's top political commentator says his editor at the time pulled the story
exposing reid's life in an effort to protect the longtime senator. jon ralston joins us next. >> an unbelievable story in the middle of the campaign, harry reid lies, and we saw a couple of days ago harry reid just going, well you know it worked. so why should i apologize? jon ralston reports that at the time his editor a frondiend of harry reid pulls it. >> a tease. >> unbelievable. >> we'll get to it coming up. >> don't you want to hear a lot more from jon resultstonalston? >> yes. >> you get to do that when "morning joe" comes back. is that all right? believes in "more." more to see. more to feel. ♪ more to make things really really... interesting. ♪ the new focus.
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for all the confidence you need. td ameritrade. you got this. welcome back to "morning joe." it's 28 past the hour. katty kay is still with us and joining us at the table bianna and start with business though. sara eisen standing by. sara, we talked about the raise, mcdonald's is giving employee, if you want to call it that. my question to you is why now and what more still do we need to see? >> well why now is a good question. a number of reasons. mcdonald's like walmart before it had been under pressure by some of the unions and labor groups to raise the minimum wage. also, we've seen a number of companies do that. so it's really where the market is going.
not just walmart, t.j. maxx ikea, target all raising minimum wage. three a brand new ceo. steve easterbook just joined taking over mcdonald's and got to make his mark because the company is suffering. in its 60th year and profit and sales especially sales in the united states, its home market, have been down. he's got to show that he's making moves, he's changing the philosophy of the company, repositioning it mika. that could be a reason of why now. >> yeah. could be. also, april fools' joke moving the stocks? tesla, apparently? >> kind of funny, and unless you are an investor in this stock. tesla came out with an april fools' joke which many didn't know because the stock actually popped about $1 to $1.50 on the news saying they're announcing a new category line. the model w and w stands for watch. i think they were sort of having fun with the idea that apple is coming out with a apple watch and it's insanely hyped saying on the website it's going to
change your life. reality as you know it will never be the same. it was a joke but not a joke for the market, which actually some news outletts put out the release and the stock popped. >> oh, my god. all right. c nbc's sara eisen. thanks. bianna quick on mcdonald's, it is a trend. you see companies beginning to catch on to this and offering a certain amount of paid leave. i still feel like this shows how far mcdonald's still needs to go. >> yeah. baby steps. excuse me. i'm a little under the weather. >> laryngitis, good you're here anyway. >> talk and it finally seeing jobs come back to the market. not seeing an increase in wages. i interviewed a family that lived in a motel, homeless family, both mother and father who worked full-time at walmart. >> that's unacceptable. where we're working on it. moving on now a highly critical column about retiring senate minority leader harry reid published more than two years after it was first killed. that's like a news term for, not
running it. it focused on reid's allegations that mitt romney did not pay taxes. the writer decided to publish it after this interview earlier this week. >> so no regrets about mitt romney, about the koch brothers? some people called it mccarthyite? >> well call it whatever they want. romney didn't win. did he? >> with us now the writer of that column and host of recallton live on pshs and contributing editor for politico. jon ralston. shocking news when we found out that actually the newspaper you wrote for spite this column. what was your reaction at the time? >> well i was shocked, joe. i'd been with the "las vegas sun" since 2000. this was in august of 2012. nothing like this had ever happened. i got a phone call from my editor who said brian greenspun wasn't going to let the column run. a contentious phone
conversation -- >> what did you say? >> i basically said what are you doing? i used words i'm not going to use this early in the morning, joe. >> yeah. >> and because i was furious. it never happened to me before there was no reason to kill the column. >> and what was the justification for spiking a column in the middle of an important campaign? >> his justification was totally lame. he didn't like the word "mccarthy" of course totally appropriate. in fact, then he dug himself a hole saying he had just used that word in a column about a republican, but that was okay. and then he said the tone was too harsh. it was just obvious that he was doing this to help his friend harry reid. he had done things like that before he did it in the 1998 campaign. he did it in the 2010 campaign when reid was running against sharon engle, a headline changed on one of my columns that wasn't favorable to reid. >> mika why in the world would anybody use the word mccarthyite to talk about a politician on the senate floor using the term
"un-american"? >> i totally see what you were saying but want to push back a little, jon. are you sure that's why they killed the article? did somebody actually say that and why didn't you say something at the time? >> well i did -- this is not the first time i've written about this. i talked about why i left the "sun." tra brian greenspun killed this column. there was no mystery about why brian greenspun did this. it became known locally he killed this column. i thought about publishing it a couple other times but after seeing his just complete unrepentance about what he had done essentially saying something in the ends justifying the means, that is harry reid in a nutshell. do whatever it takes. he doesn't care if he takes criticism for it. just get it done. >> okay. >> katty? >> you have covered nevada politics longer than anybody i can think of. i'm i soupassuming in the past you had
written other articles critical of harry reid. >> i have. >> what happened to those? why did they get through and this hadn't? >> i think it had to do with the atmospherics at the time. the race was not considered locked up for obama by any mean reid was way out there and other at physical mere atmospherics inside the newspaper. my producer worked for me at the tv show and at the "sun" was having greenspun interfere in a story she and i had worked on. tensions were rising. i can't say for sure right, but i think maybe he used this as a way, because he knew i told him what i was hired, if you ever kill a column i'm going to quit. maybe he wanted me to quit. i don't know the answer to that. i do know that he killed that column, because it was very very critical of his friend harry reid. >> biljanaeyaun bianna, how big of a blow was this to romney this accusation at the time? >> i think a fairly big blow and
reid kept saying it because he thought he was hurting romney. you all know listen you can't really pick one thing. the 47%, what was it? it was a huge story too. but the point is that reid was way out there on this. he was starting to take criticism, it became clear afterwards, of course, it simply wasn't true. >> jon ralston, fascinating. thank you very much. good to have you on. >> thank you. up next on "morning joe," elisabeth moss jason biggs and brice pickham. did i get right? all here starring in a revival of the award-winning play "the heidi chronicles" and getting into lesser known projects. they do other stuff too. whatever. we're talking about all of it, when we come back.
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killed me. >> elisabeth moss talking about when they first met. >> when she was young. >> the second season before this thing exploded and said oh we were so young. >> she's 32. >> 32. >> joining us on-set now the great, talented elisabeth moss. jason biggs and brice pinkham. and it applies to -- >> yeah sure. >> they star -- not buying it? >> i'm not at all. >> come on. >> i'm happy to be here. >> you're really great. >> thanks bryce. now, that i buy. >> and you're talented. >> they star in the broadway revival of the tone aaward and pulitzer prize-winning play "the heidi chronicles." take a look. >> we were known at the baby boom generation. do you think starting out of own families now make as difference in accepting our place as adults? >> april i have two children. maggie and pierre. my wife and i were into canadians at the time. whether they make me an official adult or not i really don't know, but having my own family has certainly pulled me out of
any "me" generation residue. the future is about my kids not me. >> lucky kids. heidi, there's a lot of talk these days about super women. are you a super woman? >> oh gosh no. you have to keep too many lifts smany lists to be a super woman. >> i love lists. you should see my refrigerator. >> do you keep lists in your refrigerator? [ laughter ] >> jason, you're looking at it already say -- making changes. >> obviously i don't -- i'm not able to watch my performance back, but now that i've seen that, yeah. i'm going to have to make changes moving forward. >> that's why we showed it to you. >> you knew all along i was -- >> yeah. >> it's hard to get you to focus. >> interesting. >> heidi is a woman trying to have it all. this is you. >> true. >> a woman trying to have it all caught between men and making her way into the world. are these the two men you're caught between? >> yes. that's my life. it is a description of my life. >> the challenges she faces. tell us about the character.
in this revival? >> it really is about her sort of journey try luf and her relationship with these two most important men, people in her life. not just men, but people in her life, and it's about this having it all question that women have faced since the dawn of time. >> we're still facing it. >> yes. >> there is no answer to it. is there? >> no. >> heidi doesn't find it. does she? >> no she doesn't. but she finds it for herself and sort of makes a decision for herself which is -- >> ultimately it. >> makes her happy. >> and jason, it's 19 characters over four cities three decades. it's quite a coming of age story here, and you really see these characters, and the arc. >> yeah. it's -- it's pretty epic. i mean it's really interesting with, of course with heidi at center of this story. it's really interesting to see how so many of these characters in heidi's life change with the times and yet heidi at the
center of the story you know holds on to her ideals through time and how that affects her for better and for worse, and so so yeah. it's a really great story. >> and elisabeth, ultimately it leaves her feeling adrift as the moat of middle age. >> ah -- is that 32? >> that's horrible. >> 32? >> yes. review from the "new york times." >> depressing t. is. i think i'll go out and kill myself. >> i want to see it. i'm bringing my daughters. >> you absolutely should. so good for young women. it's very cool. it's inspiring, i think. because it does have a positive ending as far as this next generation after heidi and so it's, it leaves you with a lopeful feeling. >> good to hear. >> yeah. that made it sound horribly -- >> so the -- the big -- the big question here, the "new york times" review puts it this way. do the responsibilities that come with age inevitably erode the ideals of youth?
were kim achieve their careers enjoying a fully satisfying family life? a question that mika asks every day, but there is -- there is this give and take. >> friction. >> this pull friction. >> chaos. constant cluster. >> what makes this place so great. >> it's okay. breathe. >> when you -- i was asking these questions originally done in 1988-89, these are not questions i don't know if we'll ever find the answers but it's important to keep asking. >> relevant us judged for our decisions. >> you're going to love this blay. >> i can't wait to go. i'm so going to go to this. it's interesting, joe, this is going to be a miracle to you. look at this. so elisabeth, of course "mad men." right? >> of course. >> jason business "orange is the new black." right, right? bryce, a gentlemen's got to love a murder -- >> right. >> i've seen them all. this is unusual for me. >> mika is like the cultural illiterate illiterate. her parents are from eastern europe. never watched tv.
sit in the basement eat beets growing up. what's it like -- you guys obviously have played a lot of different roles. how exciting has it been jason, to come together and work with these two really talented actors? >> ah -- yeah. i mean -- >> on good days? >> on good day, it's okay. and on bad days it's horrible. >> really? how hoarrrible? >> i am the worst. i admit. >> she knows it. >> okay. >> she knows it which is good. i can say it without any sort of -- >> bryce, what's his secret problem? >> oh -- >> he doesn't know it. >> it's not a secret. [ laughter ] >> he's a diva but he doesn't know it. >> yeah, right. >> it's a good show. i love it. >> in all honesty, these two are absolutely incredible and lizzy is the best leader we could ask for. onstage and off. it is a true pleasure to be around her, and the entire cast
i mean, we really have a great time. it's really a joy. >> as far as getting older, that's nice hear. >> listen for someone, as old as she is -- >> her age. >> nice to know i still got it. >> yeah. >> i can't believe you're holding it together. >> yeah. >> you don't look a day over 31. >> it's a lot of work. a lot of work. >> so i have to ask you the question. we're going to get, like today, i'm going to get off-air and our friends in twitter universe and on instagram they're going to drag us offstage and beat us to death because we didn't ask you enough about "mad men." >> we'll do more. >> big season approaching. the big end. is there going to be relief for you to move beyond that or are you going to miss it? >> it's already been eight, nine months since we finished. we finished july 3rd. so it's kind of odd for us. we all sort of have moved on. sort of did say good bee. >> this always happens. >> everyone's like we're saying good-bye. >> walking down street it's
going to stay with you agents while. >> hopefully for the rest of my life. i should be so lucky. but you know we had our good-bye. had a cathartic good-bye it was, felt good and now we're just happy everyone's excited about the last season. you know xwlanchts? >> what is -- >> it's a show. not "orange" but they've held on. >> it's a good show? >> yes. i'm very good on it. >> you are? >> yes. >> thank you. >> and by the way, bryce, last question for you, mika took her children to see bloody bloody -- >> i did. and "book of mormon," when they were young. >> she left going i don't know if that was the right call. >> not -- not old enough. >> 12 and 10. >> "book of mormon." >> the heidi project is more appropriate for her children? >> will i final let get it right. during "the book of mormon," second row.
my little girls, i looked around, no children. the lights went down i went why aren't there any kids here? we found out why. >> yeah. >> anyhow -- >> thank you for being with us. and jason, glad we could help your acting technique by watching this. >> i can't wait to see your performance. >> totally different. i that for you guys. you guys will have to be on or a game tonight because i'm bringing something ditch. >> the deal doing it with a russian ak sent andccent and no pants. it's going to be exciting. i can't wait. elisabeth, sounds like every other saturday night. typical tuesday night. elisabeth moss jason biggs and bryce pinkham, thank you so much and elisabeth, see you tomorrow to talk about "mad men," what's next? the world sees blue tonight add major landmarks light up for an important reason. that story is next. keep it right here on "morning joe." taxi. vo: after years of being treated like she was invisible it occurred to mindy she might actually be invisible.
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carry it live. now, today is world autism awareness day and joining us now co-founder of autism speaks bob wright. the foundation's lightup blue campaign starts today marking autism awareness month in april. i got the memo. i got the memo and so did joe. >> thank you, thank you. >> i didn't. sorry, beana, i will text you next time. >> please. >> this is wonderful. you want to spread the word. how are things going in termts of terms of trying to make gains? >> last year was a very big year and we're right in it now our general sequencing project, but the light up the blue has been sensational. we had 8,000, 9,000 buildings last year. we have 16,000 this year and 9,000 of them are private homes. around the world. >> incredible. >> not necessarily here. >> beautiful. >> i can report a couple -- >> it's all over the world, bob. we're showing pictures absolutely everywhere. where are some of the places?
>> well some of the new -- empire state building i'm going there in a little bit. south america, christ the redeemer. just added the shanghai tower, which is the second tallest building in the world. >> yeah. >> which is just this week signed up. they have the pyramids and the sphinx tra faga square isn't london antarctica haley 6 expedition and international space station among the more exotic presenters. >> it's really great to spread the word because there's -- there's so much families bianna carrie, with a situation like this. >> goes to show when you look at the pictures autism doesn't discriminate. the numbers, at least $17,000 more per year to care for a child with asd. >> it's average, in a city like new york it's about $60,000, and in some places of the
country, it might be $35,000. but the standard of living, cost of living we've been trying -- getting insurance bills passed to reduce some of that pain and we have 40 states. just this last month had georgia, mississippi. we have -- three or four more that are coming on but we have we'll have 42. it's been -- that's been something we had to do here in this country. outside of the united states that's not the fundamental issue, because they have universal health. they may not provide a lot of services, but people expect services, and they get some services. >> right. >> the problem with universal health is, people do not want to lobby them. they feel that this is something i'm getting and i should be you know content with whatever i get. >> so, bob, let me ask you. you and suzanne have obviously extraordinary work in this field for some time for very personal reasons. >> your life's work. >> what changes have you seen in
the fight against autism since you began? what advancements? >> the largest changes, we've increased the awareness level in the united states by 50%, especially among people a young adult, that is either going to have children or just had children. that's a huge change and that's motivated a lot of legislation. we had $3 billion allocated, $2 billion of it spent to the nih to do research exclusively on autism. the largest change now is right what we're doing here which is missing, the whole genome project. we've sequenced about 2,500, almost 2,800. going 10,000. we'll have it done in the next five or six months and we've opened a scientific portal now that's open to scientists all over the world who can come on and they've never seen the genetics never seen the whole genome sequencing of an autism
person. we're opening up data that has never been available. it's too complex. that's why you -- google has taken on the responsibility for not only storing this but arranging it. it's like building the new york public library from the beginning. they brought the big books in and they had them in there said you can come to the library, do your work but can't take the books outthis is what the scientific pointer is. >> thank you soch for everything that you've done with this. we will be seeing you soon i hope. all right. the news conference in ind is about to begin. we're going to run that live after a short break right here on msnbc.
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good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart. a busy thursday morning on "the rundown." watching a hostage situation in kenya. a possible deal on iran nuclear negotiations. a senate under indictment, and i want to take you here to this live press conference that's happening in indiana. it's going to be for the house speaker, and business leaders. that may or may not clarify or fix the controversial religious freedom law there. adam reese is covering this story for us. adam, what's the very latest? >> reporter: good morning, jose. it appears they've come to agreement on some language that would alter the religious freedom law in a way that does not discriminate against gay and lesbian customers here in