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chris christie scrambling to survive. and good morning to you. thanks for getting up with us this sunday morning as we juggle the two big stories dominating the news this weekend. how the weekend is unfolding in baltimore in the wake of friday's charges against six police officers there in the death of freddie gray. much more on that in just a moment. also friday's indictments in new jersey's bridge-gate scandals. new details about how chris christie has been dealing
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with the fall-out from that. we begin this morning in baltimore. mayor governor larry hogan calling for a day of peace and prayer. he will be attending church services in baltimore later this morning. thousands of people taking to the streets of baltimore for what were largely peaceful celebrations. that announcement as six police officers will be charged in connection to the death of freddie gray. handfuls of protesters were arrested for not dispersing when the 10:00 p.m. curfew went into effect. adam reese has been covering all of it this weekend. he joins us live from baltimore. there's been a lot of pressure to lift that curfew. any idea if it will be extended past last night? >> the sense was if last night was peaceful the curfew would
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end. a police officer i spoke to last night believes the curfew will end. they began at around 12:00 today. they made their way up north, generally very peaceful. a block party like atmosphere. many here in the crowd were generally peaceful. there were some arrests, just a handful of arrests at the end of the night so the feel something just these handful of arrests that a curfew would end. we went looking for some of the officers last night that were involved in freddie gray's arrest. alicia white's next door neighbor here is what she had to say. >> i didn't think she would do that. she's a very nice person. very nice. i see her often. i speaks to her, she speaks to me. she's very respectful. you wouldn't think she's a police officer. she didn't treat herself as a police officer around me. she was a person. and i knew she was an officer
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because she had a uniform on and i respected her in that way. i didn't ask her no questions or nothing. all i know is i don't think she did anything wrong. >> now church services later this morning and a faith-based rally this afternoon as most people think that baltimore has turned a corner. steve? >> a hopeful note there in baltimore. thank you for that report. we turn now to new details about chris christie's fight to save his white house campaign with reports that he and his aides are frantically working to keep his political base from abandoning him. two days now since one of his top appointees pleaded guilty to charges.
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and conspiracy to create a traffic jam as political pay back. the official word from christie's team is that all of this is good news for the governor. he wasn't indicted they say, he wasn't implicated and as christie himself said, the charges make clear that what i have said from day one is true. i had no knowledge or involvement in the planning or execution of this act. however behind the scenes a much different story. the "new york times" reporting that christie and his inner circle are absorbing a new reality that his bid for the white house seems increasingly farfetched. now sounds strikeingly subdued, sober and realistic about his odds. already the bridge scandal has taken a brutal toll on christie before it broke. 58% of republicans nationally
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had a favorable view of him. only 33% didn't. now under indictment charged with a scheme that prosecutors say was carried out in the name of christie's re-election campaign. the trials could start just as primaries and caucuses begin next year. christie's name and others close to him are bound to come up when the trials happen. the bridge-gate cloud doesn't seem like lit be going away any time soon. they are scrambling to reassure donors and supporters to keep these indictments from killing off his campaign but there are cracks in the dam that are becoming evident. his rivals whispering behind the scenes about his problems and a long time christie ally breaking with him just this week and siting with jeb bush.
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losing somebody from his own backyard like that. now chris christie has had his eyes on the white house for a long time. it wasn't that long ago that it seemed within his reach. is there a way through this for chris christie or did his window just close? the will the bridgegate scandal continue to haunt him or will he be able to leave it in the rear view mirror? >> i am not a liar. for the indictment to suggest that i was the only person in the governor's office who was aware of the george washington bridge issue is ludicrous. >> all right. and matt has been reporting on christie for several years. and bob engvals joins us on the set. let me start with you. looking ahead over the next few months, if these trials do happen, if there is no plea deal beforehand could very well be basically as voters in iowa and
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new hampshire are heading to the polls next year. so between now and then, give us a sense of what the risks are and what the exposure is in this period? >> i think it's too late for him. >> i don't think anybody is more on target. >> the problems going on besides what just happened in bridgegate. people on the republican side for one thing, and the contributors are looking for ways to whittle it down to somebody they can really support and if we had been involved -- >> actually they're telling me there might be a problem with your mic. we will come back to you and have you make that point as they try to address that issue. we will go to matt down there in philadelphia. matt, in terms of a survival strategy, we outline all of the calls that are being made to donors and political base trying to sure up support. any sense of how the calls are being received? >> it seems like the people that were with them on thursday were
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assured enough on friday after these indictments came through. because christie and his people were able to tell his donors and the people that have been backing him that listen nothing new really came out involving me on friday in this indictment. and that's certainly true. there is nothing linking him that the u.s. attorney came forward with on friday to having ordered the lane cloesures or having covered it up. in addition there were three people involved in other accusations that came out after bridge gate like shake down over sandy funds involving the mayor. three people in his administration including lieutenant governor. as far as we know it could be forever. he was able to tell give the good news that came out of friday on his backers.
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that does not mean that he's not in a world of hurt in terms of the lagging problems of bridge gate. in terms of the split screen reality when the criminal trials start happening just as he is campaigning in new hampshire. but i think he was fairly and his people were fairly able to tell backers on friday that it's not any worse than it was the day before and now that these have come out we can move forward and the strategy going forward is all about new hampshire. he's got to win or at least come in fighting distance from first place in new hampshire and if not, then it's probably all over but they see a road to at least get to new hampshire. they don't see any reason why the wheels are going fall apart off of this campaign before then so we will see what happens. >> iowa goes first in the order but heavy evangelical christian, not necessarily the best match for chris christie. we were just looking at and matt
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outlined some of them there, the political land mines there for christie as the trials play out over the next few months potentially playing out on the eve of the iowa caucuses basically. the exposure potential for christie what's your take on that? >> it's not going to go away. it's very optimistic to think that lit go away. it's not going to go away. the bridgegate part of it where they were just close gs down traffic, that's only one of the investigations going on. there are others involving the port authority which will be involving people that christie knows. >> david champson? former chairman. >> the former chairman who resigned and then he took a very unusual step. he resigned from his law firm and they took his name off the door. there are law firms where people have been dead for 150 years and still have the name on the door and they took it down which seems to indicate that maybe he
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thinks it will not work out too well. all the time they will say that chris christie put him in that job. >> there is some indication that sampson might be indicted. >> i want to flag something that i found in the indictment of baroni and kelly this is what prosecutors were saying how they pieced that together. the day that the lane cloe sures ended. somebody on the new york side of the bridge blew the whistle on it. baroni went to the executive director and he asked that he reinstate the lane and toll booth reductions because the reductions were important to trenton. there's a finger sort of pointing in the direction of chris christie. you had after the plea deal on friday the attorney go outside and tell reporters what he said a year ago.
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he said christie new and there is evidence that christie knew and kelly saying you're nuts if you think nobody else in the governor's office knew about this. christie's name is going to be coming up here in these proceedings. >> no question about it. christie's people say that trenton that baroni was referring to was brigette kelly because she did work in trenton, if he did have some involvement here that the u.s. attorney -- if the governor himself had involvement, certainly the u.s. torn would have brought it up. this involves people that were working in his office. it is really difficult for him to completely distance himself from it. and even if he had nothing to do with it there are legitimate questions to be asked about why people were in these positions and why they thought it was okay to go ahead and close lanes to the busiest bridge in the world. the good news for him and i
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looked at the newspapers in new hampshire, there are five newspapers. only one of them had the story on the cover. so as damning as a lot of this is, it really only matters what a few thousand republicans in new hampshire say in terms of getting to the next step that's really what matters. that's what they have hanging on to. he is going to be campaigning around. speeches and town hall meetings. they are telling me that this story has not reached the people that they don't want it to reach. >> i did see a bit more attention. he caught a break politically. baltimore is a big story a lot of people didn't notice this.
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let me finish with this on you. chris christie right now versus chriss chris christie two years ago, he was a rock star. have you seen watching him up close, do you see a different chris christie? >> yeah. he's more guarded and less friendly and outgoing behind the scenes. he still does his town hall meetings and looks like chris christie. you can tell there's concern there. they are concerned about this and i would be to if my only defense was i didn't know what was going on around me. >> a conservative leader said wait you're a former u.s. attorney. you can't trust people. thanks to matt and bob as well. still ahead this morning, today's day of prayer and
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decision improving to 48-0 in a fight that some say didn't live up to all the hype. mike tyson tweeted out we waited fif years for that? #underwhelmed. you didn't have to pay the bucks. was this thing a dud? >> well you know there's a lot of chatter about last night here in las vegas. as you mention, mike tyson among the many people left disappointed how the fight turned out. they pushed the opening bell back because a lot of providers around the country had a hard time processing the pay per view orders. in the end a lot of people thought that a fight of this magnitude was only about the money so what's another delay? after a five-year wait for the fight of the century, rush hour. fans clutching the hottest tickets on the planet streamed in to witness history, boxing's
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most lucrative event ever a spectacle teaming with production. floyd mayweather jr. versus manny pacquiao proved appointment viewing around the world. michael jordan tom brady, jay z. and beyonce among those in attendance. social media was abuzz, too. red hot conversations yielding complaints for those who didn't get what they paid for. $90 to fight with their cable company. once the bell sounded the sports top two brand names delivered moments of excitement punk waited by long bouts of chest movement. >> i think i -- i believe -- i thought i won that fight.
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>> i knew in my heart that i was beating -- i thought i was beating him easy. he was applying pressure. >> many questioned the result and many the hype. >> it was boring. >> if mayweather was a champion she should have fought like a champion. >> this should have been an epic fight and it was not. >> usually after a big fight like this you hear talk of a rematch. that is not happening here in las vegas. both on the tail end of their careers. even if they did climb back into the ring chances are that it would not be the big seller. >> tom brady there by the way, couldn't make it to the white house but he made it to vegas. still ahead, where does the city of baltimore go from here? more from baltimore as we continue. first, how hillary clinton hopes to up end a major legacy of her husband's presidency. that is next. stay with us.
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. >> what we have seen in baltimore should and i think does tear at our soul. there is something profoundly wrong with african-american men are still far more likely to be stopped and searched by police charged with crimes and sentenced to longer prison terms than our meeted out to our white counter parts. >> this was the first major policy address and she used it
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to call for the end of the era of mass incarceration. she called for body cameras for all police forces reduced sentences and reduced access to weaponry. it was bill clinton who championed and signed the 1994 crime bill that included the three strikes and you're out provision, stiff sentencing guidelines and increased funding for more cops on the streets and building more prisons. >> one of the reasons that i sought this office is to get this bill. because if the american people do not feel safe on their streets in their schools in their homes, in their places of work and worship, then it is difficult to say that the american people are free.
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welcome to my guests. >> what maybe the next clinton is suddenly saying a very different message. i think back to bill clinton in the 1990s and where that tough on crime posture came from. back then you had -- first of all, violent crime was out of control. if you polled people on the top issue in the country they would say crime and democrats were getting killed on this. that was the bill clinton thing. i'm a different kind of democrat. i'm tough on crime. i wonder from a republican standpoint, bill clinton felt an enormous amount of political pressure to take that position. it seems hillary clinton doesn't feel that.
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is that in part because republicans have changed their thinking on this? >> we have seen starkly in baltimore over the past couple of weeks that merely being quote tough on crime is not the answer. we do need police departments that are actually well administered. we need -- president clinton was right. the people need a police force to rely on to respect them and not treat them cruelly. i think we have reached a point if you will in our political history, steve, at which we know that we need more. we need real help with education, with opportunity, with jobs for these young people so that they do have hope that these communities actually do have a life and livelihood. >> it's really interesting to hear you say that. i can think back to the era when bill clinton signed the crime bill and made the era that
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hillary is saying we have got to move on now. the answer was and democrats and republicans were saying is that you get tough. get these people off the streets, get them in jail and that's it. >> part of the issue here is that crime rates at that time were at such a high. now they're at historic lows and a lot of republicans and democrats are both taking the similar tact specifically on mandatory minimum citizen. hillary clinton attacked then candidate barack obama on his position on minimums. >> so she was doing that back and it didn't work. >> when crime is lou, we can take a step back and realize that the policies of 20 years ago have created a situation and a lot of republicans are making the fiscal argument as well. >> it costs so much to lock people out. >> not only that but the fiscal argument that hey, we have not done the right thing as federal
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government as a nation in allocating resources appropriately so that these communities actually can thrive. they are not thriving. the republican message makes sense here. >> steve what you asked was interesting. is hillary not feeling pressure to be in that tough on crime place. i would say she is feeling pressure to not be in that quote tough on crime place. can you imagine you put up those positions that she put up in the speech, body cameras, minimum sentences. could you imagine if she didn't take those positions? she would get killed. you do have republicans taking the same positions. if she wasn't there it would be such a political liability for her. i look at this and i think it's great. if the clintons have decided this is the place to be politically, this means this is actually potentially going to happen. that it's the politically conveneient place to be. >> let's look at the other side.
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republicans responding to baltimore this week. we have jeb bush we will play both of these here. this is jeb bush in his response. >> president's view on this i thought he started pretty well by he had one sentence in his response about the decline of families in urban core america and i think that is absolutely true. but there's much broader issues that go along with this the pathologists that are being built of people that are stuck in poverty where you're born poor today and more likely to stay poor. >> this is rand paul talking to laura ingram about baltimore. >> there are so many things that we can talk about that i think it's something to talk about not in the immediate aftermath but overtime, the break down of the family structure, lack of fathers, lack of a moral code in our society. this isn't just a racial thing.
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it goes across racial boundaries. >> is this the message? are we going to be hearing it a bunch from republicans? it's not a get tough on crime but we have a problem with the break down of the family. is that a point of emphasis that we will be hearing? >> i think it is steve. it is at the intersection of what typically is republican politics. republicans often do talk about strong families and i think that democrats would agree with this. you know we don't have strong families, unfortunately, in these areas for a lot of reasons. and that's why, of course toya graham got so much attention. >> this was the mother who was on the cover -- >> mother of the year. >> that's right. that's right. she does represent a parental e ethose that i think both sides are going to embrace. >> it's abts what is causing the break down of the family and to take this back to hillary
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clinton and bill clinton, it's not just the legacy on policing that is contributing to the situation. nafta has decimated some of the cities and helped to pull manufacturing jobs out of urban cores and a welfare policy that makes it difficult for owners and recipients to lift hemss up. i think this will be a theme of hillary clinton's campaign having to run away from parts of bill clinton's policy. >> it's more complicated for her than it would have been maybe a decade ago but politics has changed so much and the culture of the country has changed so much. bill clinton running in a different america thanhillry is. more from baltimore and the first official challenger to hillary clinton. who else is going to step forward to make the democratic fight an interesting fight? next up senator marco rubio playing a spoiler on the world stage. don't go anywhere we'll be right
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the argument the white house uses is if you're not in favor of this deal you're in favor of war. i would argue that a bad deal almost guarantees war. >> senator marco rubio on friday morning that a bad deal with iran could be worse than no deal at all. he added that he republicans iran would exploit loopholes in the deal and expects any money that westerners might invest in the deal might be used to attack the west in short, rubio doesn't like this deal and he is trying his best to kill it. presidential hopeful ted cruz doing what he can to stop a deal with iran pushing his own poison pill amendment. bob kosh corkbob corker held a luncheon
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but his message might not have been heard by the intended audience. thanks for taking a few minutes. let me start with this. we get into all the technical legislative language. you have this bill that's working through that bob corker is behind that the white house has said it's okay with that would give congress some say in a final deal and now marco rubio is there. it's an amendment that would require iran to give israelis right to exist. >> this would upset the ongoing negotiations, the world powers
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that are negotiating the nuclear agreement. but they need to final izeize right now they are succeeding in eliminating the so-called poison pills. we want to have teeth and make sure that the administration does not agree to something that would actually make the country weaker. >> what kind of cover corker is invested in trying to keep the deal with the white house. what kind of cover does he have? i mean does this reach a point where if this -- if this amendment gets attached to the
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bill, you see democrats feeling like i don't want to look like i'm anti-israel? republicans want to get to the hawkish right. how much cover does corker have from his colleagues? >> he has some. not a ton. this is a 54 member senate republican congress. he believes he has the support to defend this off. . but it seems like of course as a senate as a place where you need to have both sides to actually have the vote and democrats are objecting and blocking that amendment from coming forward so it may force rich mcconnel to do something. what he does not want to do is shut down the bank or move to a final vote. it looks like he may actually do that this week. >> let me cover the panel here for a second.
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the politics of this in terms of the presidential race watching rubio is so interesting. a year ago everybody was saying he miscalculated badly on immigration. he lost the conservative base. he can't run for president. he walked away from his immigration record and now he has moved very far and very aggressively to the right on foreign policy issues. he is staking out such cooler turf, do you think this is helping him politically? >> i could see it helping him in a primary and potentially in a general. with immigration he laid all of his cards on the table and once it didn't do so well he kind of moved away from it. this position is not so much a politically difficult position to take. this is something that plays very well among republicans and
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certain democrats as well. it will be difficult for some democrats to vote down this amendment. it's not a politically easy thing. >> let me ask you, what is the reaction among, sort of behind the scenes here towards what rubio is doing? are they rolling their eyes saying this is just posturing? >> certainly the proponents believe this is all wrapped up in the 2016 race. certainly ted cruz pushing his amendments as well to push a majority of congress to vote in favor of an agreement rather than giving congress an opportunity to reject an agreement. that is voted as posturing, too. rubio is clearly trying to run on foreign policy to distinguish himself from jeb bush and the governors in this race and clearly this is an effort for him to raise his profile on foreign policy which he believes is the central issue in his presidential candidacy. >> all right. thanks for the time this
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good evening as we come on the air tonight we're following breaking news in baltimore where a state of emergency has been declared as rioting is broken out on the streets. protesters are on the move again. police keeping a very close eye on marchers in the streets as they prepare to enforce another night of mandatory curfew there. >> breaking news from baltimore. six police officers charged as the death of freddie gray is ruled a homicide. >> it has been a very eventful week in the city of baltimore, one that began with the funeral for freddie gray the 25-year-old who sustained fatal injuries while in police custody and after he was laid to rest on
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monday baltimore residents began rioting in the streets. the next day 2,000 national guardsmen were deployed across the city and a week long curfew was imposed. riots turning into more peaceful protests turning into a celebration when the baltimore state's attorney announced on friday that she would bring criminal charges against the six police officers involved in gray's arrest and subsequent death. it's been a roller coaster of a week for the city. now the question is where does the city of baltimore go from here? joining me now is brandon scott and ben, a senior fellow who used to spend his summers in baltimore as a kid. let me start with you, in terms of the biggest news out of this week of the six officers being charged, a lot of people, some people surprised they were charged at all given what has happened across the country. others surprised at the speed with which the charges were brought. now the question is okay they
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are charged, what is your sense? how optimistic are you that there will actually be convictions in this case? >> look we have to stay optimistic about the opportunity for justice to be done here. at the same time we have to be you know, we cannot forget what we saw happen in the trayvon case and so many other cases. i think you will expect that protesters across the country, that people across the country frankly are wiser now. we have seen so many of these cases where the cops have not been convicted and folks will stay out there and stay focused until justice is done. the protests maybe end but everybody will be watching. >> bran don, what about the curfew? last night it was enforced again, 10:00 p.m. curfew. some arrests overnight of people out past curfew. is that something you would like to see and may be lifted starting tonight? >> well i hope so. i actually i heard from one of
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the governor's folks that i think it's time to lift the curfew. i know they will be meeting and making those decisions today. since we had another peaceful day and peaceful night that we can have these curfews lifted. >> you mentioned going back to your youth you have a history in the city of baltimore. you're back there this week. you're getting a close f-up look at baltimore. what are you noticing big picture here over a generation or so. what are changes you have noticed? has it changed for the bet sner has it changed edd for the worse? >> look i work here each day. i run an office for the capital here. my family has been here for 80 years. my grandfather was a juvenile probation officer for 30 years. my cousins stretch across the west side. what folks are most proud of is
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this city has been getting itself back on track. the economy has been getting stronger. folks are eager to see the economic get stronger and especially in the heart of west baltimore there is a real need coming out of this quite frankly for the business folks to say look we will make sure that we are recruiting more aggressively. that we're making sure that the economy of the city works for the entire city. at the same time we need to make sure that justice continues to get stronger in our city. what is clear is that quite frankly, during the war on drugs, things have gotten worse when you look at the relationship between the people of west baltimore, for instance and the cops. and there's a needles moment. we need justice done in this case but we need justice for every family and child. we need them to feel like cops are there to protect them not to do the opposite.
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>> brandon in the climate of this week cameras, rortder er reporters, journalists, the whole world watching your city in that climate, it's probably easy whether you're talking about business owners or politicians or other leaders in the community to say okay we're going to change on x and change to avoid something like this ever happening again to improve our city. it's easy in this view. are you worried what happens maybe few days from now, a week from now when all the cameras are gone and baltimore goes back to being on its own? >> no. i'm not worried because as i have said often times this week i have said that the old baltimore has to be dead after this. we can't go back to being our old comfortable selves. when folks from out of town have been asking me how they can help i have been telling them to wait and let the dust settle
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so ewe can see who is really here to help us in the long run. i know that i can continue to fight for change. this is not an incident. i have been out on these streets walking the streets and trying to balance my city before. i have been doing it after. a in order for baltimore to be more, everyone is going have to do more. >> all right brandon and ben, appreciate you both taking time this morning. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> all right. another full hour of news from baltimore and beyond and the road to the white house still ahead. stay with us. taxi. vo: after years of being treated like she was invisible it occurred to mindy she might actually be invisible. ♪♪ but mindy was actually not invisible.
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and thanks for staying with us this sunday morning as we jug thl weekend's developments in baltimore and also in the bridgegate scandal. last night thousands of people taking to the streets of baltimore for what were largely once again peaceful celebrations of that announcement that six baltimore police officers are going to be charged in connection with the death of freddie gray. handfuls of protesters were arrested for not dispersing when the 10:00 p.m. curfew went into effect. in theory today the city of baltimore is supposed to heal or begin healing and find a way to move on from the past week with only one more night of a curfew scheduled, maryland governor calling on today to be a day of prayer and peace.
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we will be talking to a panel of american mayors all facing their own challenges about what it will take for baltimore to heal. meanwhile what has the reaction been in new jersey from the indictment for the bridge scandal. they're going to be there to talk about that and it's been a busy week of movement. more movement set to come in the next 48 hours. but, we begin this morning an hour and 100 miles up interstate 95 from baltimore in the city of philadelphia. philadelphia mayor michael nutter welcoming fellow mayors to a three-day conference on urban violence. as you might expect, any conference that has the mission of stopping the violence that kills 13 african-american men and boys every 24 hours, baltimore kept coming up. kansas city mayor saying that
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mayors across the country have to grapple with the reality that police departments often have quote, built in ray cyst tendcies and don't always reflect the racial composition of the communities they serve. telling the crowd that the troubling events in baltimore are just one of many occurrences in cities across our nation that demonstrates why we need the people in this room to come together right now. he also urged his fellow mayors to support their baltimore counter part. she is the mayor of gary indiana. she said that quote, one of the things that we understand as mayors gathering here is that there but for the grace of god go we. >> i will continue to be relentless in changing the culture of the police department to ensure that everyone in our city is treated equally under the law. there will be justice for mr.
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gray. there will be justice for his family, and there will be justice for the people of baltimore. >> joining us now to discuss baltimore is our panel, the chair of working group of mayors and police chiefs mayor mik cor cornet from oklahoma city and mayor jorge. mayor freeman, let me start with you. if you could pick up on that thought there but for the grace of god go we. when we look at what happened in baltimore, what are the ingredients you see in your city that could lead to something similar happening? >> we see poverty. we see unemployment. we see challenges in education. all of those lead to a sense of hopelessness among young people a sense that they don't have the opportunity to succeed and so it
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easily what we saw happen in baltimore this week could happen in any urban center across america. >> and in terms of relationships with the police mayor, let me turn to you in oklahoma city. i'm curious what you make of when you look at the issues that were exposed in baltimore, issues that were exposed in ferguson and you look at the relationship between your own police force and the african-american community in your city, what do you see? >> well we do a lot to try and avoid the type of powder keg that could be created by what you see in different cities but i don't want to be naive and say it could never happen in oklahoma city. it could. we're blessed to have a very strong economy. we have very low unemployment and our infrastructure is not as old as a lot of urban cities especially on the east coast and i think that plays a part into the poverty issue. >> you know we have new polling data just this morning and this
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is done for nbc news. the nbc news and wall street journal poll people were asked about the events in baltimore how they viewed them. were they a reaction for police mistreatment or an excuse? among whites 32% saying a reaction and 58% saying excuse for looting and violence among african-americans and exactly the opposite with african-americans polled. let me bring you into this. you had an interesting quote this week. you were talking about being racially profiled yourself saying it is part of growing up in the city which is very unfortunate and sad. i am sensitive to that. i wonder when i look at the poll results and i hear about your experiences and your background does that give you maybe a different approach to this than a white mayor would have?
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>> perhaps, but, you know, this could really happen in any city. it's about creating the relationship between the community and the police. we're fortunate here in prove providence that we have come a long way. we have to recognize that. we have to be proactive from simmering and bubbling over. we have a number of measures that we're taking here in providence and working proactive ly we are all concerned about residences that happen. and this is another instance where an ounce of provision can have a pound of cure. if we're proactive about it we
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can take very significant steps to make sure that this doesn't occur in our cities. >> all of you watching the events in baltimore this week i wonder how much thinking you do about how you would handle a similar situation if it were to erupt in your city. i know mayor rawlings how she took that balance between giving space to protesters and to people to air their frustrations and grievances while trying to avoid the rioting and looting that we saw. striking that balance, i wonldder, how would you strike that balance? >> first and foremost, none of us can be armchair quarterbacks. the mayor's actions and statements were wholly consistent with what we set out in the report that they -- that we did about police community trust at the beginning of the year
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year. we talked about the importance of communication. we talked about the importance of transparency. we talked about the importance of allowing people to exercise their first amendment rights while at the same time having a sense of safety. we also talked about the importance of independent investigations as we saw through the maryland state's attorneys office. and so you know it's easy for us to sit a week later and say well this should have happened and that should have happened but that would be unadvisable. and i think what we really have to do and you talked about the gulf and the racial perceptions is to really drill down on some of the underlying issues like race, like poverty and not just come up with programs but to really come up with long lasting solutions. and i think that's what the u.s. conference of mayors the national league of cities is really equipped to do. >> well mayor cornet let me
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follow up on that. one of the criticisms armchair quarterbacking that was taking place was people asking about mayor r rollins-blake and if she should have called the national guard earlier. when you think about the potential of something like this happening in your city how do you approach the question of when do i make that call to bring the national guard into my city? >> i think in general, national guards are maintaining stability once the police have quelled the violence. i don't know that the national guard can address violence though, as well as local law enforcement officials. but it's a tough call. certainly you want to err on the side of caution. you want to try to secure your city. but, you know all of this is the result of decades of issues that have created. you're not going to resolve them overnight or very quickly. i think you have to try and push everyone to take a deep breath and say look we're going to resolve these issues but we have
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got to get all the information out just as the victim in this case have rights police officers have rights and the protesters have rights. there's a rush to judgment in a lot of issues like this. to the extent that you can, you have got try to push for calmer heads to prevail. >> and mayor lordes i wonder how much a similar situation like baltimore in another city how much of it is bigger than that city? we talk about mayor freeman-wilson talking about poverty and economic issues and jobs and the manufacturing base of this country being eroded. when you look at this as a mayor and you look at the big picture problems that are coming to bear in your city how much is there as a mayor that you can really do? >> well there's a lot that we can do but you're right. it is a bigger issue. it's not just confined to individual cities. it's a national problem and we see it continue to be highlighted in the event and the
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latest example is baltimore. they be sure that you never sacrifice the relationships that we're building in the community. if you do sacrifice this over time then it boils into other cities so we have to take an active approach to this every single day and make sure that those relationships are consistently nurtured with the community. >> there is karen freeman wilson
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>> this sudden and unexpected gridlock prevented people of fort lee from going about their daily lives. it was the first day of school and traffic apparently prevented many children from getting there on time. many people were apparently lake
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for work and local officials reported that first responders were being delayed as they tried to reach those in need. >> in the morning of september 9, 2013 as the school bell rang at fort lee high school that's home of the aptly named bridgemen as the bells rang at that school the damage had already been done. prosecutors say it was the intended result of a conspiracy between the agency that runs the bridge and new jersey chris christie's deputy chief of staff who all worked together to bring the burro of fort lee new jersey to a standstill. this to cause maximum disruption by starting on the first day of school. the reason for this according to an indictment retribution against the mayor of fort lee for refusing to endorse christie's 2013 election bid.
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>> next to him, congressman leonard lanes, representing new jersey's seventh district. let me. >> his lawyer goes outside and says yeah, chris christie knew about this at the time. do you think that chris christie knew about this? >> i still don't know that. i looked at this inside and out. deals with my constituents although other things have happened beyond the bridge i'm more concerned about the city
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zens of fort lee. product going from place to place, you talk about pretty serious business. we will allow the judiciary system to do what it has to do in terms of brigette kelly and mr. baroni. wine winestein has pleaded guilty to many charges. we will see what he has to say in what comes from this. i think the governor has been exposed through all of this. whether he is guilty of knowing or not knowing to me is secondary. he has been exposed and i think his administration has proven to be a disaster for new jersey citizens. that's more important to me than dealing with the intricacies. the courts will deal with that. >> are you confident that christie didn't know?
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>> i believe the governor and i think he took immediate action when he found out. this is true leadership. the underlying behavior was appalling. i condemn it but leaders are faced with these types of crises and i think that he took immediate action when he found out about it. >> it's being done in his name. in the name of his reelection campaign. that's what prosecutors are saying. the mayor is refusing to endorse chris chris christie's reelection campaign. that these would feel the impulse to do something as dramatic to get the mayor to endorse the governor does that say something about the culture of the administration? >> i think it's the culture of the port authority and i think there needs to be major reform in the port authority and leaders all have to come together. i think the governor took immediate direct action when he found out about it and i
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contrast this with president obama and the lois learner matter. >> now we're getting far in the field. . >> i want to talk about the culture of the port authority. we knew about that long before chris christie was the governor for new jersey. can't blame the port authority on chris christie although there is a culture within this admin administration administration. it's being peeled off a little at a time. that culture started when chris christie was the attorney general, was the attorney general -- >> the u.s. attorney? >> u.s. attorney. when he was appointed he was appointed by a president -- >> okay. >> i don't want chris christie to be in a position of appointing the next attorney general. i don't want him to be in a position of appointing the next
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secretary of state or the next head of the cia. i think that his credibility has been diminished by all of this. i'm not accusing him of doing anything illegal. that's not the main question. >> look david was a christie appointee, brigette kelly was an appointee. does that say something? >> i think he was an excellent united states attorney many convictions. many reforms in his term of office and i think he is shaken up trenton. it needed to be shaken up. i think he took immediate executive action. >> let me ask you if he runs for president, will you support him? >> absolutely and i think he will be a leading candidate for president. we don't have a leader the way secretary clinton is the preeminent nominee on the democratic side but i think he is in the top tier of candidates and steve the first
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contests are in iowa and in new hampshire. retail politics and governor christie is at his best retail politics in those types of states. >> so the position of the folks in iowa and republican party leaders are saying i don't want to meddle in your politics but what do we know about bridgegate? it is only a mirror to the ineptness of this administration and that's what i'm talking about. there is a culture that started before he was the governor in this state. it started when he gave a $52 million contract to his former boss. if you or i did that or if leonard did that we would be in the caboose by now. the fact of the matter is ashworth did not perform. we covered over what prosthetic industry had done bribe doctors and medicare cases for hip re replacement replacement. he did that before he was governor. he is being exposed right now. i wished him well.
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>> the lane reductions also spoiled a legitimate port authority traffic study this fake traffic study that was the jusification for the bridge actually ruined a real traffic study so there was a real traffic study going on. >> i think that proves there are traffic studies and when the governor knew that this was not a difficult situation, he took immediate action and i think we need that in the executive office of president of the united states. >> we will let that be the final word. bill and leonard, and still
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looking for one of these? yoplait. smooth, creamy, and craved by the whole family. the republican presidential field is about to get even bigger. three new candidates set to enter in the next 48 hours. then on tuesday, mike huckabee will announce his plans. while he hasn't said whether
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those plans will include a run for president. . as an ordained baptist minister. if he wants to win there eight years later. he is tied with rand paul for fourth in the latest ppp poll of iowa republicans. since announcing last month that he is forming a presidential explore explore explore explore tory committee. he has listen absent from early nominating states like iowa and new hampshire, places he will have to do well if he wants any chance of actually winning the nomination next year.
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carson may run an unconventional campaign but it will still have to be a campaign and it has to start very soon. johnson has been following the field as the washington editor at national view. nan, former republican congress woman. let me start with you. >> is there time for this this time around? >> mike huckabee will announce his campaign in hope arkansas and i think that says a lot about what his campaign will be. hope arkansas bill clinton's hometown. andhe will tell people that he can take it to the clintons.
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i'm told that he will emphasize his ten and a half years as a governor, his experience. that's something we haven't heard a lot about from republican candidates. and it's really an open question whether mike huckabee will have the support from social conservatives but he's an extremely talented politician. one thing that will not happen is he will not be underestimated this time. and the club from growth is ready in enormous conservative outgrowth ready to hammer mike huckabee on his relatively moderate record on spending issues mpx.
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>> seems to go after hillary clinton the most aggressively. there is a lot of skepticism. >> the arena is emerging as sort of an anti-hillary in this race. other than rand paul she is the only person aggressively attacking hillary. there is really an appetite for that among republicans and that accounts for her very enthusiastic reception. i think she is a very plausible vice presidential nominee. i think her people are realistic realistic. she has tremendous rhetorical discipline and influencecy on policy issues. that's not really what we're seeing from ben carson who is more of the id of tea party conservatives and came on to the scene doing what a lot of tea
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partiers would have loved to do which is take it to the president while he was sitting there. what he is doing really is giving paid speeches and the open question about carson's campaign is does accomplishment in a field translate into political leadership and i think republicans aren't quite sure about that. republicans want to win in 2016 and they're not going to bet on somebody who isn't showing up to events and quite possibly is in this for himself and to make money rather than to win the nomination. >> there was that that was the charge newt gingrich had to face. what are you actually running for? then he goes and wins south carolina. let me ask you, you know you're looking at this. you're a republican you're looking for a candidate next to you. let me ask you about the arena thing. she alone is aggressively going
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after hillary clinton there. the skeptical cynical take i have heard from people is she sees there's a desire among republicans that their debate stage as they all start to attack hillary clinton. she is cynically manipulating the process, if you will. she comes at this from a very credible point of view. she understands how to create jobs. she has done it. she understand ss how to manage a
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large organization and transact with other parties including world leaders. and she really speaks compellingly about the dignity of work the importance of opportunity for all americans. >> but she does attack hillary clinton? what do you make of her attacks on hillary clinton? >> one thing that is sort of interesting to me is she sort of attacks hillary clinton and says she's going to play the gender card but meanwhile carleigh is making the declaration that she needs to be in the race against hillary clinton because she is a woman. she lost a senate campaign and her tenure at hp is not the best. she was removed and the stock price lost half its value while she was there. in terms of making the argument that she has the record and experience to be able to be president, i think it's a tough argument. now, i think it's good that there is a woman on the
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republican side. i think republicans need a woman ultimately on their presidential ticket. they certainly can't have two white men on their presidential ticket. so in that way she's interesting but i'm not quite sure what she's running on in terms of experience. >> all right. i want to thank eleana johnson. still ahead this hour more from baltimore including the question of how much baltimore has changed since its last curfew order in the spring of 1968 that fateful year. and hillary clinton gets her first official opponent. stay with us.
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socialist senator who announced yesterday that he will be running for the democratic presidential nomination. sanders stopped yesterday in the home of the nation's first presidential primary, emphasizing the populous message that he unveiled earlier this week. >> we can't continue having a nation where we have the highest rate of childhood poverty at the same time that we're seeing a proliferation of millionaires and billionaires so that's the major issue. the major issue is how do we create an economy that works for all of our people rather than a small number of billionaires. >> this makes bernie sanders hillary clinton's official official opponent. we talked before about how much of a favorite hillary clinton is for her party's nomination. she will have to get through a primary, we know that much in the rest of the field.
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the emerging field against hillary clinton we have patrick ewing. he joins us over at the big board. let's take a look at this field and let's start with bernie sanders elected in 2006. he was a congressman. he was the mayor of burlington. we should note that the president making a joke about smoking pot. bernie sanders said this week i haven't smoked pot in a long time. some say he must be smoking pot if he thinks he can beat hillary clinton. what is the upside for bernie sanders? how far can he go in this race? >> sure. he looks at himself as the consistent messenger from the left. he can push income inequality student loan debt and the need of working class and poor americans. he looks at hillary clinton taking huge amounts of sums from banks and a more moderate democrat point of view and he sees himself as the true liberal who can get in the race. i thought it was interesting in
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his kick-off speech. the first issue about why he would be a better nominee was his opposition to the iraq war. which is interesting. the first contest is iowa definitely a segment of voters outd there and that's what happened president obama. >> he is still an independent right now. he would be willing to become a democrat to register if that is what it's going take to get him some of the ballots. martin o'mally is out there as well. he was the state chair in when after months and months and months democrats start saying is
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ultimately, is she electable. can she do it? martin o'mally's hope was always to present himself as a ready-made democrat who could step in and you know the issue with him talking about zero tolerance and police crime fighting in baltimore and now with what is going on he's playing so much defensive. maybe in six months that will change. >> he may not have six months when you're going up against hillary clinton like that. he changed to become a democrat and now he said he is looking to get in this race. what is -- what do democrats think of this guy. >> right. i mean, again, sort of a beauty contest of non-hillarys. who is going aggressively go after? is anyone going to run against hillary clinton?
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we're actually bringing the fight to her. it is suggested that he will criticize her on things like iraq, on her judgment certainly about the state department. he comes from wealth. he is someone who isn't going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for money. he is sort of setting himself up as someone who can run to the left on some issues the center on other issues but is willing to take her on. >> he has been notably aggressive there. let's finish it up with the last one there. this is jim webb also a former republican. i'm noticing a trend here. he was in reagan's cabinet in the 80s, an author and historian. jim webb was, he was a military man against iraq war. are r. >> sure. he can go to egypt and libya and
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he may be able to emerge as the most credible voice to pick apart her record at the state department. again it depends on whether any of these democrats see an upside on really taking the fight directly to her. she now has a record after four years at the state department. webb is someone who can speak with authority and confidence about that. go to iowa go to new hampshire, appeal to some of the liberal primary democrats who may not feel so great about her. >> we will see if he can raise the money. all of the potential challengers start out at least 40 points behind. that's the lay of the land. thank you for being here. we appreciate that. and still ahead, why you didn't have to leave your couch to have a thrill day yesterday. sounds like my kind of day. details are ahead. stay with us. my family. when my husband hands me a present. a galaxy s6! so i call my mom. i have verizon! i don't. she couldn't really hear me. i tell her how much she means to me. but she thinks i said she was always
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a curfew has been em posed baltimore city from 4:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. >> we have local police, state police and federalized troop it is on the scene, in control, working effectively. >> april 6, 1968. the last time the city of baltimore was under a curfew due to a situation on the streets. that was then governor spiro
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agone w's announcement sounding not that different are from the one head by the the current baltimore mayor this week. two days after the death of martin luther king, jr. when the front win the maddow of fashion hat shop was smashed and the rioting began in 1968. in the first night three were kildow, 70 injured. over a thousand baltimore city businesses decimated putting the wheels of progress in the city to a grinding haltment the hope was that baltimore would heal, move on and rebuild. but has it happened? at least in full. "time" magazine wondering if that's called. what about ferguson missouri sanford, florida. there is often significant growth. does it feel that way now still? joining the panel we have rick pearlstein, historian and author and contributor to "the nation." let me say in 1968 and in that
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era it was baltimore, new york violence in the street in cities across america. you have written so much i wonder if you can address how baltimore changed american politics for the next generation in a way we are feeling still today? >> yes. the political changes in two directions. in the first place the riots spurred a political will for progressive action. immediately after the watts riots in 1965 in august which was a big shocker because it came five days after president johnson signed the voting rights act, lockheed harmartin said they would build a plant in watts. after the 1968 riots, the harvard business journal said
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we'll have more rye cannot ares unless the businesses get behind the goals of the great societiment congress passed a stalled housing bill that basically trying to open housing this the books of of law. on the other side you had figures like agonew who called together a group of oh distinguished african-american leaders in baltimore. ministers, urban league peoplement placid solid, middle of the road people. basically read them the riot act and blamed them for the riots. the response was astronomical for agnew. he was richard nixon's running mate. >> that's a big part of american history. sort of the -- you call it the white backlash. this was at the heart of nixon and reagan and the rise of the right as we know it today in many ways.
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>> right. let's point out one thing i have been careful to note. the scale was larger than what we are talking about now. it wasn't one cvs. it was a thousand businesses. in washington there were 6,000 arrests in '68. baltimore, 200. in chicago, rioters destroyed a two-mile strip on madison street. hopefully we won't see that escalation. the panicked reaction we are seeing now among all quarters is if anything equivalent or greater to what we have seen when we saw the events. detroit in 1967. 43 people died. newark, the state police shot people in cold blood. dozens of people. >> that's an important point to compare the scale then and
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