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american express' timeless safety and security are now available on apple pay. the next evolution of membership is here. the morning that the u.s. house of representatives voted yes to impeach bill clinton because of his extramarital affair it was that same morning in the house that the man to become speaker of the house resigned. that same morning. the day of the impeachment vote. he resigned in a surprise announcement on the floor of the house on the day of the bill clinton impeachment vote and we now know that the reason that happened was because of this man. larry flint. the publisher of hustler magazine. larry flint ran this ad in the "washington post" a few weeks before that house vote on
impeaching bill clinton. the ad said reward. larry flint and hustler magazine announced a cash offer have you had an adulterous sexual encounter with a member of congress or high ranking government official can you provide evidence of illicit sexual -- if so larry flint and hustler magazine will pay you up to $1 million if we choose to publish your verified story and use your material. they ran that ad in the "washington post" in october of 1999 and by december of 1999 it paid off. it paid off presumably for whoever tipped larry flint and it paid off when he got to claim the scalp of the next speaker of the house, bob livingston by outing livingston for his affair. and claiming his scalp basically on the day that the house of representatives was voting to
impeach president clinton for his affair. whatever you think of larry flint and of his life's work the man frankly puts on a good pageant when it comes to teaching people the meaning of hypocrisy. it is a strange sort of parts of the raging republican years from the mid-90s. after newt gingrich and his republican revolution and their great political overreach against bill clinton, the republican impeachment of bill clinton and the backlash against that and republicans losing the midterm election this is 1998 in the middle of the impeachment thing, historically unprecedented losses for republicans in the midterm elections and then they pushed newt gingrich out and tried to clean up their mess. the first guy they pick to replace him was laid low by the publish of the hustler magazine. american history. the man they picked instead was denny hastert.
they picked him to become speaker instead and he served eight years as speaker of the house, longer than any other republican house speaker before or since. another shoe drops that frankly nobody was waiting for until it dropped. now we know who and what brought to light the denny hastert scandal that didn't end his political career but it has resulted in a federal criminal indictment of denny hastert years after he left congress. last night we found out he was being charged with structuring large amounts of cash withdrawals from his bank accounts in a way designed to avoid the rules and was charged about lying to the fbi about what those cash withdrawals were for. the indictment spells out in detail the prosecutor's view about what denny hastert was
using that cash for, $1.7 million so far, less than half of what he apparently agreed to pay. what he was doing with all that cash was allegedly paying it to someone to compensate and conceal his own misconduct toward this unnamed person in years past. as of last night, we didn't know what that alleged misconduct was, nor did we know to whom denny hastert was allegedly paying this money. tonight we still do not know to whom denny hastert was alleged paying that money. but law enforcement now say the person in question, the person to whom the money was being paid was a male student who attended the illinois high school where denny hastert taught and coached wrestling for years. it was from 1965 to 1981.
we don't know when this student was allegedly there, what years. but anonymous sources say the alleged misconduct that led denny hastert to agree to pay the money in cash was sexual misconduct with this student who he was now paying. there's a few things to figure out here. one is how and why this came to light now after decades have gone by since the alleged misconduct, including many years in which denny hastert was one of the most visible and high ranking politicians in the congress at a partisan time. when you have the kind of job he had, it means people are constantly trying to dig dirt on you, constantly, the press and political opponents. people are going through everything they can find about you to find any shadow of scandal. nobody ever turned it up until now. from the indictment we have some
breadcrumbs to follow in terms of how it came to be. and it was the cash. the feds say in their indictment they started in 2013 looking into large, suspicious withdrawals dennis hastert had been withdrawing since 2010. they started looking to see if he was using them for a criminal purpose. in addition because denny hastert was a former high ranking politician they say they were looking to see if he was the victim of a criminal extortion related to among other matters, his prior positions in government. turns out, according to law enforcement sources today, he was not being criminally extorted because of something he did while he was in public office, he was allegedly being allegedly extorted for something he did before he took office. isn't he still being extorted? wasn't he being shook down or blackmailed? isn't that in itself a climb? prosecutors agree that he was
being shook down for this $3.5 million and he was paying it sloppily, which is why he got caught. it's extortion itself a crime? why is there no indictment for whoever was extorting him, shaking him down, blackmailing him? and then there's this other matter of what he was being extorted for. and this is not in the indictment. and this is according to law enforcement sources speaking to multiple press outlets today. but if federal prosecutors turned up evidence that dennis hastert engaged in some kind of sexual misconduct with a student while he was a teacher and a coach, isn't there an underlying crime there that we should expect to also be charged? "the washington post" says tonight no, that dennis hastert is not expected to face any charges related to the alleged misconduct because authorities
don't believe they have enough corroborating evidence to bring a case against him. end quote. so there's this one accuser, who he allegedly was paying off but that's not enough to corroborate that the sexual abuse or sexual misconduct actually happened. okay. but then there's this tonight from the l.a. times. look, a top official who would not be identified speaking about the federal charges said investigators also spoke with a second person, who raised similar allegations that corroborated what the first student said. the second person, however, was not being paid by dennis hastert. buzz feed reports that federal prosecutors considered but did not pursue additional charges to the former speaker, which would have included reference to not just an individual a but individual b, one of potentially several alleged victims. now, nbc news has not verified this aspect of the reporting, this second person who can corroborate the sexual abuse allegations.
nbc has not -- has not corroborated this aspect of the reporting and is not testifying to it. that's why i'm being specific in attributing it to the "l.a. times "and to "buzz feed." but where we're at now is speaker hastert has paid bail, he's out on his own recognizance, he's due to be in court as soon as next week to face these charges, but if these reports from law enforcement sources today turn out to be accurate, i mean, two big questions, right? if dennis hastert was being extorted, if he was being shook down by someone he alleged live sexually abused when that person was a teenager and he was a coach and a teacher, how is the decision made and is the decision now made as to whether or not to charge his alleged sexual abuse victim for shaking him down, for extorting him, for blackmailing him. extortion is a crime. as another matter, how is the decision made and is the decision made as to whether or not to charge dennis hastert
for the underlying crime of this alleged sexual misconduct with a kid or with kids while he was a teacher and a coach back in illinois before he ever entered politics, especially if prosecutors did talk to more than one kid, who says he or she went through that with him, even if only one of the kids decided to blackmail him for it down the road. legally how did we get here? what's going to happen next? joining us is jeffrey cramer. he's a former federal prosecutor. he's now the seep i don't remember managing director in chicago. thank you very much for your time. thank you for being here. >> good evening, rachel. let me ask first about what appears to be extortion. haven't prosecutors alleged here in the indictment that dennis hastert was essentially the victim of extortion, that he was being shook down by somebody threatening to go public with it. isn't extortion a crime? >> extortion is a crime.
just because the individual a was not charged today. a couple things. it doesn't mean a charge might not be coming down the line or it could be a charge exists right now and is sealed and we don't know about it. i don't think just because there are no charges pending at least publicly now, we don't know what's going to happen down the line. >> i asked, too, keeping in mind other different types of criminal charges against public officials where it's more typically what we're looking at is something like bribery or an alleged quid pro quo, for those of us who aren't involved in the jugs tis system how can there be a bribee without a briber? shouldn't people always be charged on both sides of the crime if prosecutors can prove the crime occurred? >> i would make a distinguishment of the bribe situation that you just gave me. in chicago and illinois, we have our fair share of elected officials that have gone down
that line. it was frankly one of the best offices in the country in pursuing this kind of cases. here you ever don't have a bribee and a briber. you have individual a, if it plays out, was a victim of sexual abuse at one point, who is then turned into presumably an extortionist. and you have dennis hastert who did the flip. at one point he abused his position, if this plays out and is now the victim of an extortion. it's not a simple two people involved in a conspiracy. you have the person looking for money, millions of dollars at one point, if it's true was the victim of sexual abuse. >> on the abuse allegations, i want to be clear the sexual misconduct, sexual abuse allegations, i'm sourcing them from anonymous leaks. from law enforcement officials who are not putting their names on the record. it is not part of the indictment. if those leaks today are accurate that the underlying past misdeed here is some sort of sexual conduct, some sort of sexual abuse between dennis hastert and a student or students when he was a teacher, when he was a coach, what does
go into the determination about whether or not that conduct should be charged as a crime? >> it's a calculus. we don't know exactly what the misconduct was. however, if you look at the indictment, the wording where it lists he was a teacher and a coach at the high school in a certain period of time. federal prosecutors don't put in language of that kind unless it's relevant. that had to be relevant to the misconduct. therefore, you have one could argue misconduct from what we know now that was worth millions of dollars to mr. hastert to keep quiet. so there is a logic to what people are saying right now. and if it was sexual abuse at that time, can you see why he would want to keep it secret, but it's a calculus prosecutors will look at into how to bring these charges and equally important what language to put in the indictment. and they appropriately did not include that language in there because it's not relevant to the charge, which is structuring. it's in and of itself a pretty boring charge. structuring transactions so the
banks don't alert the federal authorities that something over $10,000 is going in or out. it's that misconduct part right now that obviously has people's interest. >> is there a statute of limitations issue if these things did happen sometime between 1965 and 1981, which is when he was at that school? >> i'm not sure what the statute of limitations was for sexual misconduct or sexual abuse, whatever it might be called at that time. now we're talking 25 years later. so not only the corroboration factor but also there's a statute of limitations problem i would think. >> jeffrey cramer, thanks for helping us understand this. very clarifying to talk to you about this. >> certainly. >> coming up, a thing i learned in today's news that surprised me so much they've physically fell over. and that's not hyperbole and i can show you how it happened. plus we've got coming up tonight, a plan to defeat isis, courtesy of president trump. stay with us.
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it was an area that was built. can you see some water there on the map, it was built quite near a salt lake, hence the name salt lake city, salt lake city india is hope to a company called harris pharma, llp. you see it marked on the map. unavailable export available into the united states is a drug they can manufacture or obtain that's called sodium thiopental, it is an anesthetic and it's also used for killing people killing prisoners by lethal injection. trouble is the -- the only company in the u.s. that made this drug stopped manufacturing it. since then there is no approved manufacturer or distributor for that drug. so naturally the states that were relying on that drug to kill their prisoners had to come
up with plan bs and plan cs or plan ds to find either that drug somehow or find some other means of killing people. and that's where harris pharma in salt lake city, india comes in. specifically their ceo, guy named chris harris. he tried to step in to save the day. look at this. from chris harris to the nebraska department of corrections dated may 11, 2011, 6:02 a.m. subject: supply. "hi, steve. this is to state that my company is willing and capable to supplying the required pharmaceutical products to the department of corrections nebraska, specifically sodium pie owe then tal for a period of five years. the date is key because in may 2011 nebraska was gearing up to kill someone using lethal injection for the very first time ever. nebraska had just switched from the electric chair to lethal injection.
they wanted to use it to kill this guy but they didn't have enough sodium thiopental on hand to kill him, until chris harris reached out and said i can sell you that stuff, and he did. he was not a pharmacist, but he wanted to be the middle man and he arranged for nebraska to import the drug from india, salt lake city, india. it ended up being a disaster because the d.e.a. found out what nebraska was up to and they came in and formally admonished the state and took the sodium thiopental away. they destroyed it. this is a memo that was sent, around the time -- around that time after a conversation with the dea. "the d.e.a. is going to come and collect the drugs. the drugs will be destroyed.
and the d.e.a. could issue us an admonition." that's exactly what happened. doesn't make it legal to send the drug from india to the united states. nebraska got in trouble and didn't get to keep the drugs. that prisoner was never executed. he still lives on death row. this week nebraska made international headlines when their legislature voted to repeal the death penalty, and they did that in part -- when you look at their -- a lot of them explained that part of their reasoning around this is that logistically speaking, nebraska couldn't actually do it. nebraska couldn't get the drugs they need to kill people. they tried with chris harris and india. they failed and got in trouble. but when the pro death penalty side of the government were trying to persuade them to keep the law on the books, they
argued they would get the drugs. finally, they had arranged to get the drugs. this whole idea that it was impractical to carry out the death penalty in nebraska, that argument was over because they had the sodium thiopental. this was the political statement from the omaha police officers' union. "nebraska will soon have the drugs necessary for lethal injections." where did nebraska get those drugs in the last month? want to guess? they got them once again from chris harris, salt lake city, india. date tuesday, april 14, 2015. subject, hi. "hi patrick. just wanted to let up know we have a few states who have already ordered sodium thiopental. would nebraska be interested as i will have a few thousand vials extra." regards, chris. chris harris was maybe using his 2011 contact because he was e-mailing the wrong people.
this is the response he got. "hey, chris, sorry, i'm not sure where corrections stands on this subject as i'm no longer with them. he eventually did. they wanted to try to by it from him again. four years after they tried and failed to do it the first time. >> chris harris, by the way, from what we can tell has no training as a pharmacist, he's been a middle man selling these drugs but he is not trained in this field at all. harris pharma llp does not have a web site. this is the site they list but it is under construction. we've e-mailed and called chris harris, he has not responded, but we do know that chris harris has tried to sell sodium thiopental to other states in the past. like indiana and south dakota. states are buying this from his company because there's nowhere else they can get it. really they can't get it from him either. at least they can't legally get this from him.
the fda told us it is against the law to import sodium thiopental into the united states. which brings us to this. last month chris harris got in touch with nebraska to convince them to import from his company, he mentioned two other states have placed an order with him. two other states have 34r5is placed an order. we have these documents thanks to the aclu of nebraska filing a freedom of information request with the nebraska corrections department. it raises an interesting question. if it is illegal for nebraska, it is illegal for anybody. when he says i got two other states importing from me, you want in on it? which two other states? which two other states are right now in 2015 trying to get this drug into this country illegally? he says two more states are doing it. which ones? which states?
if chris harris is telling the truth and his company is in the process of making this drug for several american states, which ones? we know about nebraska, although it's moot there now because they don't have a death penalty anymore as of this week but who are those other states? law school at u.c. berkeley says they are in the process of finding out which states chris harris has maybe sold these drugs to. they're filing freedom of information act requests in states all over the country and trying to find out which states besides nebraska are waiting right now for their illegal sodium thiopental shipments from salt lake city, india. we spoke with the fda again today. we asked maybe just the ban applies to nebraska. can any state get around the ban on importing the drug? they told us tonight, again exclusively, they told us no. quote from the fda, no, it is unlawful to import for the purposes of lethal injections and that applies to all states who intend to use it for that
purpose. so genuine mystery, right? this is a live mystery right now. who right now, which state government right now is trying to get this drug illegally imported into this country from harris pharma in salt lake city, india? the nebraska attorney general said today meanwhile he plans to challenge the repeal of the death penalty in his state. he says nebraska he wants to make sure should still be able to kill the ten people on death row it promised to kill before the change was enacted. if he wants to go ahead, that means the shipment from salt lake city in india can't arrive soon enough. i don't know how they'll get it by the feds. this is a weird crime and punishment story. this is a weird law story, but part of the lieu is not just about the crimes committed and put them on death row, but part
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there's a cross. you cannot deny that that is a cross. and what is witchcraft? when the cross goes up side down. bottoms up and the devil laughs. something to think about. this is how clever satan is and how he gets into the christian home and a christian's life and it breaks god's heart. >> that is how clever satan is. that lady, the monster energy drink is the work of satan lady. when she is not warning people about the sign of the beast in their soft drinks, she has a side gig of disrupter of peaceful events that involve muslim americans. >> jesus christ died on that cross over there. he is the reason why we are to worship only him. jesus christ is our lord and savior. we have built -- >> let me explain the call for
the prayer. the call for the prayer, it is in arabic. >> it was a muslim service being held at the national cathedral in washington, d.c. last november, and that's the monster energy drink lady disrupting it. this is kind of the way she spends the days of her one and only life on earth. she told reporters she lives out of her car, travels around the country telling people satan is in their sports drinks and she threatens and insults muslim americans and tries to disrupt people's peaceful events and she showed up in texas at annual muslim day where texas muslim kids come to the capitol to learn about civics and their state government. >> i stand against islam and the false prophet mohamed! islam will never dominate the united states, and by the grace of god, will not dominate texas! >> it's one thing to think this
is the thing that the crazy energy drink lady does alone, right? but at that texas event, just outside that tightly shot footage of her screaming, there was actually a bunch of other people holding these we hate muslim signs and screaming at the muslim kid there for civic day because of their religion. and individual nuts or bigots showing off is gross enough. it's not like we haven't seen this before in our country, right? but we are in a modern american moment when it comes to prejudice and hate in that it's american muslims having to deal with this to a greater or lesser extent all the time. this was in texas. this is how the muslim kids were taught about texas civics. at their state capitol. this week, it was this couple was waiting in their car to pick up their teen-age son from a party when a lady walked up and started screaming at them and pounding on the windows of their car and told
them that they were suspicious and held them at gunpoint. here's your not gratuitous mug shot of the lady this week. in minnesota. you know it is one thing for regular american muslims doing nothing wrong to have to deal with this kind of hate and threat and harassment and bizarreness from individual nut balls. it's another level of terror when it not just individuals doing it, it's some kind of organized effort. that is what's happening tonight, right now actually, outside of the islamic community center in phoenix, arizona. >> the man behind the event openly admits he hates islam and wants protesters to ride in on motorcycles, bring their firearms and make a statement as muslims actually head in for prayer service. >> the guy who is setting up this protest has been known to walk these sidewalks in front of the mosque wearing a t-shirt with a curse word followed by the word islam. he's encouraging those to come and show their support for the second amendment as well, come armed and prepared.
>> come armed and prepared as people funnel into that mosque to pray. that was reporting by phoenix affiliate. the reporter was references this, an "f islam" shirt that the organizer regularly wears when he walks outside of the islamic center. he harasses and verbally attacks muslims who are just trying to go to prayer peacefully at their center. the head of the islamic center telling people who are coming to the mosque and coming to pray, telling them not to engage with the protesters. >> we're going to tell our members what we told them before, not to engage them and they're not looking for an intellectual discussion, they're looking to stir up a controversy and we're not going to be part of it. >> so, again, this is a live shot right now from that protest tonight in phoenix. there is a group of anti-muslim
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this winter i learned ice fishing in new hampshire. i learned it on lake winnipesaukee. look, got him! ha! like winnipesaukee is a legendary ice fishing, fishing, boating, vacationing outdoor wonderland in central new hampshire. tonight lake winnipesaukee has a boat floating on it that contains four possible presidential contenders all in the same boat. it is a sunset cruise for the republican presidential cruise. it has on it george pataki, scott walker and two other guys
lurking toward the bottom of our chart of republican candidates. bob ehrlich and jim gilmore former governor of virginia who you might remember made a run in 2008 for the presidency. those two guys have been lurking at the bottom of our candidates chart for 2016. not the most recognizable pair i know. there they are. they have been on the chart. they are both on this sunset cruise with george pataki and scott walker tonight. both of their offices told us today that we should count neither of them out for 2016. they're both considering a run for the presidency even though neither one of them is ready to make an official announcement. so keep your fingers crossed. we got word this man has scheduled his announcement, june 16th. who knows what exactly what he will announce on june 16th. but he has planned a trip to new hampshire for the following day. in the lead-up to that june 16th
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watch out! truck! yay! "friday night news dump" time. producer julien nutter, who is tonight's flavor? >> allison sanford, from eastern maryland, a marine scientist, been to antarctica three times, has two kids. one in tenth grade and fwhun sixth grade. >> welcome. >> thanks so much. >> is it easton maryland or eastern maryland? >> easton. >> easton but not eastern. >> easton. >> very good. >> your kids are in 10th grade and in 6th grade, have they ever seen this tv program? >> are you kidding? yes. >> i was going to say if we need to keep it a secret from them that you're here that, can be arranged. >> no, not at all. >> we're really glad you're here. if you've been to the end of the earth three times, this is obviously going to be very easy for you. as you know probably you're going to get three multiple choice questions about this week's news.
if you get two of the questions right, you'll win this piece of junk. >> this adorable cocktail shaker. >> very small and we don't guarantee that it doesn't leak. the bonus prize tonight is something random for you that until tonight has been cluttering up our offices. we need your help. we're offering you a choice between two options. julia, can you explain this to allison. >> the first option is this can, which inside contains many puzzle pieces and we're not sure what that puzzle is or if it has all the pieces. >> we're pretty sure it's nothing dirty. >> we can't find any body parts, it's not offensive. that's the puzzle. >> the second option is this awesome piece of junk in our office which reads "herman cain is an art project." >> hopefully herman cain would never be an art project again, in which case, we'd have to ask for it back. >> yeah, i'd give it back.
we node to bring in a voice to judge. steve has a cold and is too ill to sit in judgment upon you. we're having a producer in the control room do it. your judge this evening is the all powerful trisha mckinney. >> hello, allison. >> hey, trisha. >> here we go. ready for your first question? >> i'm ready. >> last night's show, we reported on the surprise federal indictment of the long-time speaker of the house denny hastert. he first became house speaker during which national political scandal. was it, a, the impeachment effort against president bill clinton, b, the iran-contra affair, c watergate or dabscam? >> i'm going to go with, a, the clinton impeachment. >> did she get the answer right?
>> i'll have rachel from yesterday give the answer today. >> after all the turmoil of '98, after losing the mid terms, republicans decided to play it safe. >> the answer was a, allison was right. >> well done. one in the bag. have to get two right to win at least the first prize. question two is a visual one. this week we have not one but two candidates -- two additional candidates formally declare they're running for the presidential nomination on 2016. on tuesday it was my friend rick santorum. yesterday it was my friend george pataki. which of these people is george pataki. is it this man, a? is it this man, b?
is it this man, c? or is it this man, d? allison, what do you think? >> well, c is the former governor in the state where i live now. a is bolton, he's -- he is b. >> trisha, is that the right answer? >> you know, i am going to defer to alex trebek. >> he took new york into the 21st century. elliott. >> who is bloomberg? >> no. >> who is george pataki. >> who is george pataki. >> who indeed is george pataki. the choice was "b" and allison was also right. >> well done, you're on a roll. ready for your last question now. this is from tuesday's show. tuesday's show we reported that the country that already has a statue of their dictator wearing a fantastic cape and already has a statue of their dictator
standing on a tower rotating so he always faces a sun. this country now has a statue of their dictator atop a giant marble mountain riding a horse while carrying a dove. which country? is it a, azerbaijan, turkmenistan, b, c uzbekistan or, d terrible-self esteem-istan? >> this one i'm not as sure of. it's definitely not d. it's between b and c. >> jump in. just go with your gut. >> b. >> trisha, do you have the
answer for us? >> i think we really need to see that statue again. let's watch. >> turkmenistan got a new dictator statue that made all the ones before it look like hum els. the new one is 69 feet tall. it shows the dictator carrying a dove and riding a horse. it's in 24 carat gold leaf and perched on top of a cliff of white marble. it's very subtle. >> as much as we were hoping she'd go with d, it was actually choice b. she got it right. >> allison, you swept, you swept! >> yes, whoo! >> you're definitely getting leaky cocktail shaker or do you want the puzzle that you don't know what it's a puzzle off or do you want the banner? >> i totally want the banner. >> herman cain is still an art project somewhere. you get the banner. if he turns into the puzzle, we'll call for it back. thank you, it was great to meet you. >> thank you, rachel. >> if you want to help us
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