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that gives china a total of 4 million, millionaires second only to the u.s. that's all for now. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. let's get to work. tonight, afraid of commitment. >> why can't she say whether or not she's for or against it? >> secretary clinton, we need her to speak out right now. >> i will judge what's in the final agreement. >> plus now it's official. >> jeb bush goes after the office once held by his father and brother. >> i'm a candidate for president of the united states of america. >> later, stepping down. >> are you african-american? >> i don't understand the question. >> rachel dolezal has resigned from her position. >> and shark attacks. >> they happened just miles away from each other in a stretch of beach in north carolina.
>> we can never guarantee anyone's safety 100%. i would stay out of the water. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. if you remember it was the first thing that mitch mcconnell talked about after the last election. it was international trade. it was something that we could work on with this president. well, here we are, middle of june. at this hour fast track promotional authority for president obama is dead in its tracks. that means the transpacific partnership is in danger of being killed as well. now, it all unfolded friday on the house floor when they voted against trade adjustment assistance 302-126. where did this come from? nobody was talking about that. well, you see, this is money that goes to help people who are displaced. now, without this key vote fast track cannot move forward, because of the way the rules were written before all of the votes were taken. the president isn't giving up to his credit. the house is expected to vote
again on taa by tuesday. the house rules committee at this hour is meeting to decide if they can combine the trade adjustment assistance vote and fast track it put it all into one instead of two votes. it was paul ryan who came up with the brainchild that we can get two votes and make this work. president obama is pushing harder than ever for support on taa from democrats. >> republicans and democrats in the senate have voted to renew this initiative. but so far, the house of representatives has chosen to let it expire in just a few months. leaving as many as 100,000 american workers on their own. >> now, it's not going to be an easy lift to pass taa, trade adjustment assistance helping unemployment folks get retooled back into the economy. what does the president need? roughly 100 representatives to change their vote. do you think the republicans are going to do that? on sunday paul ryan chairman of the house ways and means committee, says the president
has serious work to do. >> the democrats abandoned their president, the leader of their party, in droves on a bill and a program that they demanded as part of this that they have previously voted for unanimously, but they asked as a part of this process, so to me it was stunning that they would do this to the leading of their party. >> to answer my question how likely is it you will turn it around? >> the president has a lot of work to do. >> hold the phone. mr. ryan did i miss something here? don't the republicans have the majority in the house? if you get all republicans onboard, you're going to get everything you possibly want. but here's the key. trade adjustment assistance is something that the republicans have never been in favor of. when was the last time you saw republicans stand up and say, i really want to help the unemployed. i want to help those who fall by the wayside because of a bad trade deal? this in itself underscores that the transpacific partnership is a rotten deal or they wouldn't
be haggling over taa. the key player is nancy pelosi. pelosi was largely responsible for helping to defeat taa on friday. pelosi and the democrats, their bottom line they don't believe that the adjustment assistance goes far enough for displaced workers. now, pelosi made clear that congress needs to also act on a highway bill. >> i will be voting today to slow down the fast track to get a better deal for the american people. bigger check, bigger paychecks, better infrastructure help the american people fulfill the american dream. >> now, here's another dose of reality, folks. do you really think that the republicans are going to step up and say, hey, we love free trade so much that we're going to give this president a highway bill and make him look good with his legacy? it's not going to happen. pelosi knows there's not going
to be a highway bill. she said in a statement, it would greatly increase fast track's chances. fat chance. i don't believe it. i don't think the republicans will ever do anything with this president, and they're certainly not going to go down the road of a highway bill if they can wait another year and a half and have possibly a republican president do it. meanwhile, the democratic front runner for president still hasn't taken a position on fast track or the tpp. lots of talking going on but no straight talk. a clinton spokesperson had this exchange on fox news sunday. >> i'm talking about giving president obama the same fast track authority that bill clinton had on nafta. why would she possibly be against that? >> we're talking about it in the context of this agreement, right? >> no, no. we're talking about it in the context of how he can negotiate a deal and give it to congress. why can't she say whether our not she's for or against it? >> we're going to be talking about a lot of issues. you may hear her talk about it
sooner rather than later, and i'm going to let her be the person to think about that. >> doesn't she have to weigh in quickly? if there's no fast track trade authority, the president can't make the deal? >> we'll see, won't we? we'll see if she decides if she wants to go ahead and tell us what she wants to say about it. >> this is not the media manufacturing a hillary clinton story that might not be very good. this is a classic example of how hillary clinton has not on this issue been crystal clear on where she stands on fast track, and whether she thinks congress should be reading trade deals before they vote on them. because fast track would, of course, have the congress in a position where it's either going to be an up or down vote. so hillary, in a sense, is putting her spokes pm people in an untenable position admittedly, i'll let her go ahead and explain all that. okay, when's that coming? later on sunday hillary clinton addressed fast track and the tpp at a campaign event.
she still didn't take a position. this time clinton decided to take a page out of nancy pelosi's playbook. >> here's what i think should happen now. in order to get a deal that meets these high standards, the president should listen to and work with his allies in congress starting with nancy pelosi, who have expressed their concerns about the impact that a weak agreement would have on our workers, to make sure we get the best strongest deal possible and if we don't get it there should be no deal. >> okay. so does that mean mrs. clinton, that you are against fast track? forget obama, forget anybody else who's been president in the past. this is a new world when it comes to outsourcing jobs and gutting the american economy. does hillary clinton think that
congress should read trade deals before they vote on them? that's really where we are. what does fast track mean? it gives a hell of a lot of authority to the president, and that's exactly why the republicans don't want to vote for it. american voters deserve to know where hillary clinton or whoever else wants to be president, where they stand on fast track and the tpp. if it's a yes or no problem for hillary clinton at this point, it's going to dog her came pain for a long time. i guarantee you, this story isn't going to go away after the vote. because it will never be forgotten by the people who are going to be losing their jobs and be put in jeopardy in this economy. so this weekend, "the ed show" team, we go on the ground at the clinton campaign relaunch here in new york city. and our team asked people their thoughts on trade. >> slow down fast track. >> none of the trade agreements we have been so far have been in the best interest of workers. >> we could lose a lot of jobs. >> it's not a good bill. >> i would likely be pro trade. >> it's going to happen whether
we want it to. >> i know bill clinton supports nafta, obviously. >> i don't know what the hell it's all about. how am i supposed to make up my mind. >> i don't know what that is. >> i don't think i know about it to say anything. >> i bleed the fifth on that. >> you say it because the media wants you to say it? >> she'll alienate some people no matter what stance she takes. >> it's obviously very complicated. >> if she's going to be the next president, we need to know her viewpoint on that. >> a lot of clinton supporters know where they stand on trade. i think it's time hillary clinton provides transparency for voters. she's coaching the president, as she sees it as this hour but if it were her hour what would she say, what would she do? she needs to sit down and do interviews and answer direct questions on where the economy is going and will fast track benefit america when it comes to trade deals? here's a number you have to consume, folks. 85% of the democrats in the
house voted against fast track. is hillary clinton going to stand with her party? is she going to stand with 85% of the democrats in the house? or is she going to explain a better way and how wrong they are and why the president should have fast track authority? question, again, should the congress be reading bills before they vote on them? should we be doing trade deals that deal with 40% of the global economy and all the congressional folks get is an up or down vote. if it's a bad deal down the road they can't even monday it. this stinks across the board. this is exactly why every single union in this country is against it. it's not hard to say now's not the right time. no to fast track. 85% of the democrats are going to go home and say, i'm standing with workers. hillary clinton didn't vote the way i voted. get your cell phones. i want to know what you think. tonight's question has hillary clinton been clear on trade?
go to pulse.msnbc.com/ed to cast your vote. we'll bring you the results later on. for more let me bring in bernie sanders who is a democratic candidate for president. senator, good to have you with us. >> good to be with you. >> what is the key question, and i'll let you frame it what is the key question at this hour seeing that the house may go back and redo the rules to massage this to try to get 100 more representatives to get the president fast track authority. how do you see it? >> if fast track passes tpp will pass. there's no question about that. ed, there is a reason why virtually every corporation in america, the pharmaceutical industry and wall street want this to be passed and there is a reason as you just mentioned, why every union, many environmental groups and religious groups are against it. because anyone who looks at history understands that our trade policies from nafta,
cafta, to china, have been a disaster for the american workers since 2001 we have lost almost 60,000 factories. not all attributeable to trade, but a lot of it is. millions of decent paying jobs. our demand now must be to corporate america and say to them, you want us to buy your products. the time is long overdue for you to stop outsourcing. let's create and manufacture those products here in the united states. that's what this is about. >> senator, does the size and the magnitude of this deal and the impact place a different importance on fast track? the question should congress be able to read trade deals before they vote on them? >> well that's a hard question ed but i guess so. it might be a good idea to know what's in the legislation that you're voting on. and maybe there is a reason why members of congress cannot take staff into the room why they cannot copy sections of what is a very complicated legal
document. maybe there are some folks who really don't want the american people to know what is in this legislation. having said that we know enough from leaks and other sources that what is in it ain't good for the american worker. we should not be competed against vietnamese workers who make 56 cents an hour. we should not have an investor state dispute process in there which benefits corporate america and would make it difficult for states or governments to pass legislation protecting the health care or the environment for their people. >> senator, has hillary clinton taken a strong enough position on fast track in your opinion? >> ed look this ain't a complicated issue. you are for fast track, you're against fast track. this is an issue you just can't side step. i think secretary clinton obviously has not made her position clear. >> you think she has side stepped this and is waiting for this to go away? >> it's not what i think. i think it's obvious.
you're for it or you're against it. i'm strongly opposed to fast track and the tpperc.. what is secretary clinton's position. i don't know. >> this came out of nowhere, got little attention. is this the democrats' way to saying to the president, we want to support you, but you're not going to get fast track authority because of this republican problem, they don't want to help out workers who have been affected? what about that? >> i don't think that's it ed. what the democrats in the house cleverly did is use the taa, trade adjustment assistance as a tool to torpedo this agreement. they used that as a tactic. trade adjustment assistance unto itself is a good thing. it helps displaced workers. given the context they're operating in knowing a whole lot of republicans are against it, they used it as a tactic to torpedo and slow down fast track, and that was a very successful and i think smart move. >> do you think the rules
committee will set up a scenario that will have it pass in the house? >> i surely hope not. i mean they're trying. corporate america is not going to stand still. they love the idea of outsourcing jobs to low wage countries. pharmaceutical industry loves the idea of being able to charge poor people around the world higher prices for their medicine. these guys are not going to give up. i hope very much that the democrats and some of the republicans in the house continue to have the courage that they have shown, that they showed last friday and say no to another disastrous trade agreement. >> did you hear about this in iowa on the ground? >> all of the time. i talk about it all of the time, and people are concerned about the issue. look, ed in iowa in vermont, all over this country, we're seeing factories disappear and go to china and other low-wage countries. we have seen wages go down because american workers are now being forced to compete against desperate people all across the world. of course the people are aware of this. >> senator i want your personal
reaction to the amount of people that are coming out to see you speak and meet you and hear from you in iowa. we're airthd months away from the caucuses and these are crowds that we haven't seen in contemporary times. what's your reaction to 700, 800, 1,000 people 1100 people showing up to see bernie sanders? >> minneapolis, we had over 4,000 people. it's kind of mind blowing, but i think, ed what it tells us is there is an enormous frustration today with establishment economics and the greed of the big money interests with establishment politics and the degree to which the wealthy are dominating the political system. people in this country are angry. they want real change. they want a government that works for them and not just the billionaire campaign contributors. i have been just you know kind of blown away and very gratified by the kinds of crowds we're getting. >> democratic hopeful and senator bernie sanders with us tonight here on "the ed show."
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welcome back to "the ed show." within the last hour jeb bush announces he'd running for president. >> i will give it my all. i will campaign as i would serve, going everywhere speaking to everyone keeping my word facing the issues without flinching. and staying true to what i believe. i will take nothing and no one for granted. i will run with heart, and i will run to win. >> running with heart. going to speak to everyone. can i get on that list? i'd love to sit down with jeb bush. absolutely. you know back in 2009 if someone had said there's probably going to be another bush as president, i don't know if the mood of the country would have accepted any conversation like that but of course things change, and things mold out over time if you know what i mean. joining me tonight, jim moore,
genevieve woods, and mitch cesar, who has 40 years of roots in florida. i thought i would throw that in there. i'll start with you, mitch. what did you think of the presentation that jeb but on today? >> i thought it was vintage bush. i mean you know he had a little trouble. he's a little bit, you know out of practice. a little wooden. did his best. i thought it was interesting he chose miami. i frankly would have been more impressed if he had it in iowa. but what i thought was most interesting is he used the term i want to disrupt washington. that's his way of showing that he's not the establishment candidate, which of course he is. it's like the commercial they used to have on where the boss is yelling, we have to stop the man. we have to stop him, and the employee says, but you are the man. so it's a way of him getting around, that shows he's independent, not part of the bush family, but he's also
trying to get away from the fact that he's hired the same foreign policy advisers who advised his brother george w. so i thought the speech was good but it was very carefully crafted, as i would assume it would be to show he's not part of the family legacy and he's independent. >> jeb says we need a candidate to rattle washington. listen to this. >> we need a president willing to challenge and disrupt the whole culture in our nation's capital. and i will be that president. because i was a reforming governor, not just another member of the club. >> so jengenevieve, what's that mean? what is he going to do the washington that other presidents haven't been able to do if he were the man? >> if he governed as a president the way he governed in florida, you would see a lot of change. me made big changes in education among other things. the challenge for jeb bush is the base that will have to elect him to the republican nomination, the conservative base, is concerned he won't be the reformer that he was when he was governor of flofrd. now look i'll give him credit
today. he hit a lot of right notes, made a lot of conservative statements. he make statements about religious freementd, he talked about illegal immigration. he used language that i think a lot of conservatives wanted to hear, but look this is one speech. everybody knew he was going to give it. the question will be, where does he knowgo from here? he does have a lot of convincing to do among the conservative base. >> i think it was the best republican presentation we have seen so far. will jeb bush's father and brother ever get an invitation to campaign on the trail for him? isn't that the key question? how far do the bushes go to say they want him to be president. >> at some point, i think he's got to invite his brother out there with him, but early on he's got to campaign on his own, ed. look, you vote for bush you get a bush. nobody from the bush family has ever gone to washington and disrupted anything. what they have done is opened the doors to the corporate lobbyists and the multinational
corporations, and everybody else to come in and take control of the government. while at the same time running around on the stump and talking about how they're standing up for the little guy and creating opportunities that never, ever adds up. but jeb's challenge is to separate himself from his brother. and i think frankly, it's all about a marketing and a branding campaign, and it's going to be really really tough for him to do that. >> speaking of that he's got the same logo. what do you make of that? >> well it's interesting. he's trying to separate himself from the past. he is using, as you said the exact logo he used in running for florida. he's playing to the same negative narrative. he's also assuming he's fresh and he's brand new, which is a fine thing to attempt, but the problem is the bush name is both a plus and a minus, and as has been said before as he goes into the states such as iowa as well as others it may be more of a negative than a positive. so yes, it's a harkening back to days in florida, but i'll give
you one quick statistic in an article i read recently. in doing some numbers, 75% of the people that voted for bush the last time he ran in florida in the early 2000s, are no longer existing in florida. >> well he's held -- so demgraphdemgraf demographically demographically, there's going to be a challenge, but jeb bush would be closer to the hispanic community than any other republican candidate has been in the past. rubio obviously is going to be able to appeal to a new generation of republicans. we'll see. but there's a couple of groups genevieve, that want jeb bush investigated for skirting campaign finance laws. i mean is there any steam at all behind these demands and will it be a problem? >> i don't think that there's a lot of steam behind him. look, if he's done something, he ought to have to answer for it. i don't think there's a question. there's always people who want to throw dart at somebody they think is a front runner or they
think if he gets a nomination as a strong candidate against hillary, but his biggest problem is convincing people i know he said he wouldn't want to move that far to the right. he said not that long ago to run for president, but he's got to get the republican nomination first. him talking about the issues and convincing people he is a conservative on a broad base of issues is a much bigger challenge for him than fending off any kind of campaign finance stories that are popping up. >> he has held 70 fund-raisers, you know like the old baseball pitcher, the announcer years ago, it ain't bragging if you can do it. and he can raise the money. the bushes can raise the money. so where does this place him against some of the billionaire dollars thrown into this? >> he's going to have money to go as long as he wants in the process. he does have to do well in some of the early primaries, but texas, where his son has a state-wide office here ed is going to be problematic for the bushes ironically because in
this election ted cruz is hugely popular here with the very hard conservative right. and texas could be the place where jeb bush and rick perry's campaigns come to fall flat on their face even though there is a lot of money that's coming into the two campaigns. particularly jebs. there's going to be a lot of money for him to use to run on but he's going to run into some difficulties as this goes on. >> all right, jim, genevieve, and mitch, great to have you with us tonight. thanks so much. still ahead, the progressive push back to hillary clinton. i'll ask the rapid response panel if the campaign relaunch took off with voters. >> and the head of the local naacp chapter steps down as questions about her racial identity continues. stay tuned. test markets like last time? uh, no we're going to roll out globally. ok. we'll start working on some financing options right away. thanks, joe. oh, yeah. it's a game-changer for the rock-climbing industry. this is one strong rope! huh joe? oh, yeah it's incredible!
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the news comes less than a week after officials opened an investigation. her parents told the local media the civil rights activist had been falsely portraying herself as a black for years. in a statement posted to the spokane naacp's facebook page she wrote, it is with complete allegiance to the cause and racial and social justice and the naacp that i step aside from the presidency and pass the baton. she offered her sincere gratitude for the naacp's unwavering support through this unexpected firestorm. dolezal explained her decision to step down saying this is not just. this is not about me. it's about justice. dolezal's parents joined thomas roberts earlier today and gave their reaction to her resignation. take a listen. >> i noticed in her letter of resignation, there was no actual addressing of the issue of being
dishonest about her ethnicity, nor was there any apology. i pray she will take the steps necessary to embrace her true personal identity and not feel compelled any longer to be false or malicious towards her family. >> joining me tonight, political analyst michael eric dyson, professor at georgetown university. your reaction to the events that unfolded today? >> it's striking to me that her parents want her to pledge fidelity and loyalty to her true roots. you know but what rachel has suggested, is that she has embraced an african-american culture, a black identity that seems to run counter to what her parents desire. i understand people getting upset on the black side on the white side, saying just be who you are and stand up for what you stand up for. i get that. on the other hand those of us who talk about race as a social
construct, it's more complicated, bill clinton is the first black president though he didn't claim he was black. she might not be african-american, but she could be black in a cultural sense. she's taking on the ideas, the identities, the struggles. i bet a lot more black people would support rachel zoledledolezal than clarence thomas. how do we talk about this and here we haven't answered if question yet. >> you bring about a profound point. what is the downside of someone who wants to be in the struggle and make a wrong right? >> right. >> does she need to apologize, as you see it? does rachel dolezal, is this such a personal issue, or did she do harm to the naacp? >> i don't think she did harm to the naacp. there are many people who lack her commitment. i think her commitment is profound and just and beautiful. if she feels like apologizing to people that she may have
personally misled who thought, oh, i thought you were black and you weren't. then we ask a broader question. what does it mean to be black? how do we signify that in a culture. she's not the son of tom hanks who wants to use the n-word thinking he has earned the right as a white guy to hurl an epithet against an african-american person. she's trying to eradicate and erase the vestiges of racism in the broader culture. her parents have to be pressed, what is your overinvestment in investing she be white. this is an issue that need to be talked about in more sophisticated terms. >> michael eric dyson, thank you. >> the rapid response panel on hillary clinton's progressive push. and later, a new documentary series takes a look at the fisha business of illegal seafood that could be hitting your table at home. do you know where it came from? stay tuned. you're watching "the ed show." we're right back. >> i'm morgan brennan with her
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she wasted no time addressing income inequality and took a shot at wall street. >> you see corporations making record profits with ceos making record pay, but your paychecks have barely budged. while many of you are working multiple jobs to make ends meet you see the top 25 hedge fund managers making more than all of america's kindergarten teachers combined, and often paying a lower tax rate. >> so does that mean that hillary clinton is going to take on income inequality head on? that would have been the perfect two words to put in that paragraph. i'm not telling her to do her speech, but that's what i got out of it. clinton made an appeal to everyday americans. she spoke about her family growing up and made this pitch to the crowd. >> all our presidents come into office looking so vigorous and then we watch their hair grow grayer and grayer.
well, i may not be the youngest candidate in this race but i will be the youngest woman president in the history of the united states. >> at this point, hillary clinton is still the front runner, but senator bernie sanders is climbing fast in a new poll in new hampshire. a new poll from morning consoelt shows hillary clinton at 44%, berney santders at 32%. sanders has plenty of time to chip away at clinton's lead and clinton has plenty of time to be well defined on the issues. joining me adam green, genevieve woods, still with us the senior contributor to the daily signal. great to have both of you with us. adam, i'm curious. your group has been very progressive, very aggressive when it comes to populist issues around the country. your reaction to hillary
clinton's relaunch with that somewhat of a theme that has been picked up by the media, that it's all about the populism. your thoughts. >> first the good news. it's clear that hillary clinton wants to be known as an economic populist candidate. this is a vast departure from bill clinton who wanted to be known as a corporate democrat when he ran. the campaign isn't using using the words bold progressive, which is the tagline. it's good that that's where she wants to be. that says the center of the party is moving away from democrats and into a populist problem. the one area she didn't go into are the solutions. a lot of the rhetoric she used could lead to big, bold populist ideas or more smaller boiler plate democratic ideas, and our hope is she goes bold in this election cycle. >> i want to play a clip of a clinton campaign spokesperson describing hillary clinton's agenda. here it is. >> then we had our launch speak
speech, i thought it was a bold progressive genda, and i think she made her case. >> they're describing it as a bold progressive agenda. would you embrace that? >> again, we would certainly embrace the term bold progressive, but it was a correct analysis of the problem, but again, with the solutions, let me give you a couple examples. she said ceos and hedge fund managers shouldn't be the only ones sharing in prosperity, but that's not saying she's going to do anything about their pay. she's not saying those who have ill gotten gains will be taken on, thought wall straighteet will be held accountable. we need to hear that. we need to hear she'll challenge power, propose big, bold solutions to problems. that's what we have to look forward to in the future. >> genevieve, where's the weakness here? >> the weakness is and i understand the predicament the democrats are in. they have to project this agenda
onto her. what is she going to say? all this that she's talking about that are problems, what is has going on for eight years under barack obama who is a progressive president? what is she going to do differently? she didn't announce anything. let's be clear, nobody more than the clintons have been tied to corporate money, when you look at the clinton foundation it's hard for her to say she's going to distance herself from the world, the trade deal that you talk about has been a problem, and the import/export bank. there are a lot of moderates out there, i would argue, that conservatives and liberals are both going to be fighting over who don't like crony capitalism and i don't know that hillary as a democrat can do that. that's why she's got a challenge and why the democrats have a challenge, though, i have to say, because even though bernie sanders may be doing okay in the polls, i don't think most people think he's going to be a very serious challenger and serious candidate. >> i do. i think he's going to be a very
serious challenger. in fact i'm surprised, adam at that number 44% to 32%. i think this is somewhat of an early surprise. your thoughts? >> there is a rising economic populist tide in america. genevieve is right that neither people on the left nor the right want crony capitalism and bernie sanders as he stands up against the tpp, as he calls for real measures that would make college way more affordable as he calls for expanding social security benefits these are not 50/50 issues. and hillary clinton will do better if she tries more and more to sound like elizabeth warren and bernie sanders and if she plays it cautious that's what will take her numbers down. >> but in all these things it comes down to the details. everything hillary talked about had a big price pag attached to it. she didn't talk about how we were going to pay for anything. we all want college to be
cheaper. how is she going to make it cheaper? by giving loans? that's not going to make it cheaper? what is her answer? >> the answer is tax increases, i think, and getting people to pay their fair share. that is something she has said before. >> the point is with things like education, the more government got involved the more expensive college has gotten. that's the kind of debate we should be having. >> great to have both of you with us. appreciate the conversation. still ahead, shark attacks took north carolina beachgoers and residents on alert. while another danger in the oceans could have a major impact on our seafood supply. we'll have the details coming up.
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arm amputated from below the shoulder. local officials have asked beach goers to be cautious and of course, they will be. we want to bring your attention to other ocean news tonight, other related news of the oceans. fishing crimes which you don't hear a lot about. one of the biggest illegal moneymakers in the world on par with selling drugs. illegal fishing and fraud is part of a global black market valued up to $23 billion. an estimated 32% of wild caught seafood brought to the united states is imported illegally. do you know what's on youren kitchen table. fishing magnet arnold was convicted of smuggling sea bass and getting rich doing it. a documentary series called "food crimes" prepared today. the first episode examines the world of illegal fishing. >> today the industry watch ward
is traceability, the attempt to follow the demented twist and path to processing plant to other processing plant back to deck to chef to plate. it's a lot if you remember that nine of every ten fish eaten in the u.s. is imported. >> there is a big push now to ensure that fish coming in imported from overseas is traceable, harvested from sustainable sources, and labeled correctly as to species. >> joining me tonight, christine the journalist behind the series. very interesting and eye-opening. how much going on kitchen p table tables in america is legal and illegal. >> it's an extraordinary amount of legal fish out there. one-third of the fish we consume is illegal and if you look how much is international, over the last 20 years we've gone from 50% of the fish being imported to 90% of our fish being
imported. >> there is no regulation to stop it or oversight? how did it evolve? >> a lot of government agencies are trying to keep up but the resources are limited. roughly 2% of the fish is actually inspected because there is just limited resources to inspect and keep up with this global fishing business. >> so if i go to my local food store, i can say that only 2% of the fish that i see in the ice there has been inspected? >> yes yeah and that's according to research done by the marine policy journal. >> okay. what's the most shocking thing you came across doing this seriess? >> the high percentage of legality that comes with fish nearly one-third is illegal. it's an extraordinary number and how much money people make from illegal fishing. arnold bengis made $56 million in three years, and for the time
he served in prison, it's next to nothing. >> is it unsafe? >> in some cases, it can be unsafe. yes, we can't track where all of our fish is coming from. we can't track what kind of waters it's been farmed in so it argueably can be unsafe. >> what did you find out what the government is doing? >> i spent quite a bit of time with noah agents and they are working to keep up. do they have the resources? very limited resources. there is roughly 090 agents to inspect the nation's supply. >> what are we doing to the global supply of fish? >> there are challenges with fish being wiped out and a lot of attempts of fisheries management happening and fish can in some types of fish can be incredibly sustainable and turn itself around. arnold bengis rocked out the
lobster population in south africa. that's come back despite his best efforts to make tremendous efforts. >> "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. tonight on "politics nation" hillary clinton defends her progressive fight as jeb bush makes it official with new questions on his commitment to everyday people. the official investigation into tamir rice's death is released and leaves many questions unanswered. and did this civil rights activist lie about who she was? she's resigning today, but should she have? welcome to "politics nation." it was a busy day and weird day in politics. when it started with