tv Melissa Harris- Perry MSNBC August 1, 2015 7:00am-9:01am PDT
just in case you were wondering what cheerios are made of whole. grain. oats. this morning my question, what do millianal voters want? >> the state accused of segregating thousands of students but first, yet another video, yet another death at the hands of police. good morning i'm melissa harris-perry and we begin with the death of samuel dubose. you can be forgiven if you
haven't been following the details and watch the recording of the moment he died. this week it felt like too much. after all, it was just a week ago we were here talking about sandra bland, just a week ago there was another video, another minor traffic violation that ended not with a ticket but with a death. the director of the texas department of safety acknowledged it was the officer's responsibility to prevent the escalation of the e count encounter and the circumstances of sandra bland's death are being investigated another loved one burying a loved one and struggling to make sense. maybe this week in this moment you said enough. but samuel dubose's life matters and so does the story of how his life came to the an end. he's an african american man that was unarmed when she was shot and killed by a university of cincinnati police officer and a grand jury indicted ray
tensing in his death after spending all day on monday reviewing evidence that included video of the incident recorded his body cam. prosecutors made the video available to the public during an announcement of the indictment on wednesday and we'll pause the video before the shot is fired and some still may find it disturbing. >> hey, how it is going, man? >> hey how is it going. >> officer tensing. >> what's going on. >> it's coming back to a female actually. >> it's my wife her name is sandra beasley. >> okay. you don't have a front license plate on the car. >> it's right here. >> what's that? >> it's right here. >> okay. that's got to go where the front plate is supposed to go. you don't have to reach for it. it's okay. do you have a license on you?
>> yeah. what's that bottle on the floor there. >> that's a bottle of air fresher. >> of what? >> smell it it's air fresher. >> okay. do you your license on you? okay. do you know -- or what? >> okay. i'm going to ask you again, do you have your license on you? >> i have my license. you can run your name. >> so do you not have your license on you? i'm asking you a direct question, do you have your license on you? >> i thought i did. why did you pull me over? >> again, the front tag. >> it's not illegal not to have a front tag. >> actually it is. do you have a license on you? >> i do. you can run my name. >> is that not on you. >> i don't think i have it on me. >> be straight up with me, are you suspended?
>> no. >> why don't you have your license on you? >> i'm sorry, sir. i'm fixing to go in the house. >> okay. >> where do you stay at? down here? >> right around the corner. >> well i haven't figured out if you have a license or not. go ahead and take your seat belt off. >> i didn't do anything. >> go ahead and take your seat belt off. stop. >> just moments later tensing fire add shot hitting dubose in the head. another officer that arrived on the scene after the shooting wrote in the police report about tensing's account what happened. he said he was almost run over by the driver of the honda accord and forced to shoot the driver with his duty weapon. officer tensing stated he fire add single shot and repeated he was being dragged by the vehicle and had to fire his weapon. while the tape does not show him being dragged, additional video from didother officers shows them
appearing to cooperate his account of what happened but in a series of strongly worded statements during the announcerment, hamilton county prosecutor joe deeders who said he would personally prosecute the case argued that video told a very different story and refuted tensing's version of the avents. >> this is the most asinine act i've seen a police officer make. totally unwarranted in the vernacular a pretty chicken crap stop, all right? i could use hasher words, but nonetheless, if he's starting to roll away just seriously let him go. he didn't do anything violent towards the officer. he wasn't dragging him. and he pulled out his gun and in intentionally shot him in the head. this office probably reviewed
100 police shootings and this is the first time that we thought this is without question a murder. >> on wednesday, tensing turned himself in for arrest. the university of cincinnati after placing him on administrative leave announced he'd been fired. the union representing the police have since filed a grievance demanding his job back saying he was fired without due process and tensing was arraigned before a judge that set bail at 1 million. the attorney entered a plea of not guilty and reiterated. >> he was dragged by the car and thrown off and i believe that once we get witnesses or get some get an expert to evaluate that tape, we will be able to substantiate that. he thought he was going to die.
he thought he would be sucked under that car and run over as it was pulling away from him. >> and that's why he fired? >> that's why he fired. >> on thursday, tensing held in a protective unit held on suicide watch was released on bond and court records his father posted just over $100,000 to get his son out of jail. he's the first officer in cincinnati to face a charge for murder for killing someone in the line of duty. if convicted of murdering samuel dubose, he could face murder and life in prison. joining me is captain of the new york police department and writer at "slate" and co-creator of the hashtag black lives matter. ohio state senator and former cincinnati police officer cecil thomas. mr. thomas i wanted to start with you, you spent 27 years on the cincinnati police force,
what do you see when you watch the dubose video? >> >> well obviously, what i saw was a miscarriage of justice but i want to preface that with the fact this is an untreated cancer going on in america since we had modern policing. fortunately now, we're beginning to see simply because of the techniques, i should say the technology that we have today, cameras are capturing these incidents. the minority commune tipsityiescommunities, folks that are poor are screaming this kind of violence going on for a long time within those communities. it went unabated and now we're beginning to see with our eyes thanks to cameras body cameras.
what i saw was an officer making serious tactical mistakes. >> so one of the things let me come for a minute to a guest because i think the point that speaks there is speak and there is clear evidence the question of indictment we do in fact have things on camera and people see them differently. i want to ask you the same question i asked the state senator. when you see that video, what do you see? >> first, i do not see probable cause to use deadly force. i looked at it a number of different times, shorter versions, longer versions. he does not have probable cause. that's absolutely clear to me. however, there are mitigating circumstances that you have to look closely for and micro movements and things to listen
for that won't sustain a charge of murder. perhaps manslaughter and if the defense crafts something very very, very well about some tactical issues they can put forward a real good defense p but i don't see the charge of murder. you can see dubose begin to resist. the officer has reasonable suspicion in terms of the stop. he begins to close the door and tells him he's not going to get out of the car. those are mitigating circumstances that will weigh in favor of reducing the charge. >> before we come back to you, state senator, for many of us that watched this video paralick larry -- particularly in the context of all the videos, it's hard to hear from john shane that our legal system might in fact look at this video and see mitigating circumstances because what i see is someone that ended upshot in the head when they were stopped for a front license plate and i
think i guess part of what i'm trying to figure out is there any policy in the end that keeps something like this from happening? are there policing practices that create a situation where someone can be stopped for something the this small and not end up killed? >> well, obviously, training is the most important factor here. especially when it comes to a citizen acting the way the gentleman acted. we have deescalation skills training that easily could have addressed that problem. instead the officer chose, by reaching into the vehicle. that was an immediate mistake. i just think when you watch that video, you clearly see tack tackk tactical
errors. we have a culture of policing that once you hit the street you start to forget your training. you start utilizing your own techniques techniques, not only do you endanger yourself and citizens but end up with the results facing us now. >> let me ask you this. >> my most important -- >> how common do you think those suppose tactical errors are in just the routine daily practice of policing? >> well it's very common and that's if you look at most incidents involving officer-involved shootings, you would notice there are very tactical errors on many occasions. that incident in texas, that officer lost control of the situation but losing control of himself. he allowed the other individual to control him and when he lost
control, all those other things happened. he could have easily deescalated the situation but instead he tried to extract the individual from the vehicle. >> i want to come back to this idea, john quick on this because the other thing that happens is the end of the tape we can hear the two other campus police officers in conversation. it sounds like what is happening is they are cooperating a story, that's not what we see with when we look at the video and neither of them have been charged by the grand jury. if you listen to the end of the sandra bland video, it sounds like you have an officer calling in and talking with the supervisor about how to tell the story about what happened here. in addition to the individual officer making these choices, is there evidence in either of those videos of systematic attempts to cover up what
happened? >> not necessarily. we don't have the facts on how these officers came to play. i don't see them prevented at the scene in any way so my question is where do they come into play as corroborating the officer's story? where were they at the moment the shots were fired? they show up and want to talk about the scene. are they just parroting what the officer was saying or saying i have factual knowledge this occurred? there is a big difference. they may be saying this is what so and so was telling me. i don't know. i'm here to protect the crime scene but don't see where they were with when the shots were fired. >> i want a couple more voices in on this ask ask you what you're seeing in that video and why police reforms were not enough to save samuel dubose's life. i'm one of the real live attorneys you can talk to through legalzoom. don't let unanswered legal questions hold you up, because we're here we're here and we've got your back. legalzoom. legal help is here.
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this was the scene in cincinnati in april of 2001. days of protest and unrest after an unarmed black teenager was killed by a police officer 14 years later, there say model for policing due in part to a department of justice probe and under a unique crabtive agreement in the wake of the unrest. those reforms did not save samuel dubose. he was killed not by a member of the cincinnati police department but an officer with the university of cincinnati police distinction that joe deeders believes makes the difference. >> i graduated from u.c. it's a wonderful university. i love the president. they are not cops. we have a great police department in cincinnati,
probably probably the best in ohio and i talked to the chief about it today and i said you know you guys should be doing this stuff. being police officers is, shouldn't be the role of this university, i don't think so u.c. officers receive the same training and certifications as cincinnati city officers and under a mutual aid agreement, they have the authority to police communities surrounding the campus but police have not be part of the crabtive policing agreement. they may be about to change as they reconsider the policing policies including possibly signing onto the agreement that changed the city's approach to policing over a decade ago. jamel, i want to come to you because this feels like it's about the multiple layers that occur on black bodies. the cincinnati police held up as a national model but this young man shot and killed by somebody
under that perreview but different and i thought about the university of virginia and think thinking about the gentlemen pan shot to death by the ride along, robert baits in tulsa. how many layers of policing do we need to get to? >> i don't know how many layers we need to change and modify before you get to a full spectrum solution. part of the issue true in university towns is the that you have entirely separate institutional cultures. the cincinnati police department may be a model and may have developed great practices in concert with the justice department but the university police not a part of that and more over the institution of the university does maintain ex
policetivety. people part of the university and people the that are not. if you are tasks with policing boundaries and university police officers are, that i think that in itself creates a recipe for interactions. >> when you see policing the boundaries, that feels critically important because it does feel like what is happening is policing of boundaries not crime. what is the crime on college campuses? there is crime on college campuses property crime, your bike may bet stolen and your car broken into and campus sexual assault. but almost none of that has anything to do with the kind of traffic stop that we saw here. >> that's right. most of the time what you also see in these types of climates is decision making about who belongs there and who doesn't. so i think what we saw here was a real level of discomfort around what are you actually doing here? do you actually have a license? >> that's right. >> even though he said clearly, i do have a license, you can run
my name i just don't have it on me. >> how many of us walked out -- i want to pause how many of us walked out of our home and don't happen to have your license on you? one should not be killed for that. >> i do it all the time. to be honest we also see in the video is dubose is starting to become terrified and because there is this national attention around police murders, you see him actually try to, it seems like he's trying to protect himself. he says this is not going well and i got to get out of here and to be honest with you, i don't blame him. >> this point feels critical to me. let me go back to you. you sponsored the senate bill 23, which in many ways looks like this model of cincinnati policing we talked about creating mechanisms for data collection, deescalation techniques you talked about, cultural sensitivity but i got to tell you, part of what i see when i look at the video is we consistently think it is reasonable for armed officers to be afraid of ordinary unarmed
citizens who happen to be in black bodies but don't seem to think it's reasonable for unarm ordinary black citizens to be afraid of police officers armed and when we know what the cultural space is that we're in now and can we make some room for the fear that so many of us feel in a moment like that? >> well absolutely. the issue, the bottom line issue i should say the solution is a culture of accountability that has to be established from the top down involving law enforcement. that culture of accountability has not been there throughout my 27-year career. it really wasn't there simply because of the subculture of policing that pretty much drives a lot of the cultures within police departments. the body cameras are beginning to be a mechanism by which you
begin to establish a thought of maybe we need to have more oversight of what is going on out there with those officers on the streets. as we see in south carolina where the gentleman, the officer shot the gentleman in the back picked up the taser, walked it to the gentleman and dropped it down. my understanding that he had already been exonerated by his own police department. had it not been for that video camera that officer would have continued on doing his job as usual. other officers around, these officers that indicated that the officer was, they saw the officer being drug there is a huge question not just with the officer that commits the offense. >> right. >> other officers around that see and say nothing. that's where the real problem is. so how do we establish a culture of accountability? >> thank you so much state senator cecal thomas for your
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theories among them her death was the direct result of someone else's actions rather than her wrongdoing as the medical examiner concluded. we don't know if the investigation will agree with the autopsy results but if sandra blands death turns out not to fit the perfect narrative how police violence claims black lives, it would make her no less the victim of an imperfect and injus system. joining me is nina turner and i wanted to ask you about the this a bit because it feels like we're looking for perfect victims and if sandra bland died at her hand the system is cullble, responsible for her death. >> professor, there are no perfect people all of sin and come short of the glory of god all may not have been caught and revealed. anybody would try to victimize the victim by trying to pull up
her record or any history she may have had. i would enduring that someone that didn't look at sister sandra bland's facebook video where she speaks in her words and talks about her relationship with god and talks about wanting to help the children and also talks about making sure that young people understand the relationship that they have and i think she said with some of the most important people to our survival she was talking about police officers in her sandy speaks, she was speaking the words of what she thought her mission was to be on this earth. she said i'm here to make history, and my god, is she even making history in the grayve. is it unconble for anybody to blame the victim and only black folks and poor folks of people of color have to have a pristine background for us to get justice. it is wrong in every single way, professor. >> part of what i want to draw is this idea that again, whatever we learn about the last
moments of her life, i guess, i worry, i hear from nina turner there like the power of who this woman was and even if in the end as a result of the interactions she ends up dead in her hands, that is none the less a stripping out of the black life if she's not the perfect strong black woman to with stand all things. >> i think that's right. what i think we sue happenee happening is a justified reaction to what are questionable circumstances around her arrest and subsequent jailing and her subsequent death and so to me it's less a question of whether she did or didn't take her life by her own hands but why was she there in the first place? >> right. why three days later, john shane, why three days later is someone pulled over for an illegal lane change in custody? >> that seems to be a procedural flaw. you didn't have the right to
keep somebody in custody beyond the time that you can get them bail, and to wait three days to get somebody bail sounds like something broke down somewhere. i mean it doesn't negotiate the probable cause that the officer had to make the arrest however why she repainednin -- remained in custody for three days is perplexing perplexing. >> we heard calls in new york city and across the country for bail reform as a result of kalif broader's suicide, spending three years without being convicted of a crime. is it also time if we are seeing black women's lives to talk about bail reform at another level? again, the idea she would have need to be bailed? >> we have to lift that voice. when i was at the net roots conference when the mamas took over and we talk a few months
ago about the mama's moveovement. can't nobody speak the truth like the mama i don't mean mama in the sense they birth the child in the world but the strength and passion and authority that comes from women and these women, young women from the african american community saying say her name. we don't talk enough about what is happening in terms of violence against african american women. we march in our street for our men, we should but time to rise up for the sisters and that's what say her name is about. professor, every fiber of our being should ache. this is not just an african american problem this is an american problem and doesn't start or end with law enforcement officers the to are really a reflection of the racism institutional racism in the united states of america. sandra bland was somebody's baby somebody's friend somebody's aunt a person who loved and cried, had feelings
like everybody from the rich's person to the poorest person all of us have feelings and never should a victim's feeling rise to the top in terms of trying to critique whether or not they deserve justice or not. >> indeed. thank you to nina turner for bringing the fire and analysis from cleveland, ohio this morning. thank you for joining me. >> thank you, professor. thank you to john shane, jamel and alicia are sticking around. up next, the black lives matter movement and the ballot they made it happen the at net roots. can their mess resonate and impact the 2016 campaign.
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they must contend with the growing influence of a social movement focused on accounting accountability and equity within the american criminal justice system. two weeks after activists confronted at a black roots national conference they realized they have to grabpple with race reform and hillary clinton spoke yesterday at the national urban league's conference. >> young people took to the streets dig fied and determines ughing us to affirm the basic fact that black lives matter. >> and here is senator bernie sanders at the same conference. >> sandra bland, michael brown, walter scott freddie gray, tamir rice samuel dubose we know their names. they died unarmed at the hands of police officers or in police
custody. >> martin ocho mallmally unveiled a criminal justice reform plan that required racial bias training for police officers. one thing is clear, black lives matter as a movement as capable of setting the agenda, setting discourse and as we move to the presidential election cycle, how will black lives matter as a movement engage the challenge of electrical politics. joining me is co-founder of public opinion and data firm and contributor for "the daily beast" and professor of history. julian i thought you could set this in a historical context. i hear the discourse here about black lives matter and i'm not sure if i buy these these candidates are engaged with it or just figured out ut oh we're not going to the really run for president without talking about this. >> yeah, i mean look shallow
engagement is still worth something, meaning what the movement has done in remarkable is to put this issue on the agenda to force the conversation and now you're seeing the candidates are starting to react but you're right, it's just a beginning and we saw this in the early 6'60s, there was discussion of civil rights and in '56 but now kind of the push is to get to the next stage with engagement in policy after the election. >> we talk about black lives matter movement as though it's a single entity and it clearly isn't and i'm wondering to which there are debates about the value of electoral politics and if one should seek bernie sanders or hillary clinton to say the names. >> black lives matter as a network as a bartpart of a broader movement that doesn't necessarily have uniformity around the relation slip that
there should or could be to electoral politics. what i do think is clear to everyone, we need to develop a strategy that builds power to be the able to change the conditions in our communities, and that there are many different paths to building power but certainly, we have an opportunity in front of us with the 2016 elections where it's incumbent to force people who would seek our vote to actually speak to our issues rather than handing us a prepackaged list of things that they think we care about. it's important for them to engage with our commune theties to know more about what we care about and what we want to see them do. >> jamel, when i hear hillary clinton do the simple fact that black lives matter i feel like oh, man, every time this happens, the stark contrast between her and president obama reemerges and obviously, president obama is not on the ticket again, although he indicated well he could win again if he wanted to there is
a way i wonder if it if in the end listening to them be flat in their tone makes you feel like you know what black lives may matter but the this election doesn't. >> i totally feel that since hillary clinton in the university of political speakers is not totally thrilling. >> man that was a nice way of putting it. >> i'm with julian here shallow commitments are very important and they do you know they do provide leverage for later on. so the more hillary clinton talks about this the more bernie sanders talks about this if president hillary clinton in 2017, those statements are hook for act thetivetivests activists hold her accountable. it requires both parties to actually vie for black votes. on the democratic side you look at president obama's margins in 2012, virginia florida, ohio wisconsin, michigan are states
he does not win but have high black turnout and for republican republicans republicans, if they can get back to where w was in 2004 that's the election ohio florida. >> right not only could they get there by getting back to those percentages of black voters, they could just have black voters not show up as much and like this is not just about democrats being responsive we've seen republicans feeling like they need to talk about this as well. >> you saw jeb bush come down to the national urban league meeting. republicans are understanding in the wake of the debate that happened over the confederate flag and tragedy in charleston that was a big wakeup moment that thought i don't know that i'm come forblefortable weighing in and given i'm focused on the primary. that was a real wakeup moment but on the other hand they look and see bernie sanders get sort of he has to walk off the stage. if bernie sanders can't get it right, what hope do we have?
there the are a lot of republicans i don't know if they know how to begin to engage with the movement or what that should look like because of the fear if democrats can't do it right, what hope do we have? >> the answer to black lives matter is not white lives matter. that's not the answer. thank you to alisha garza, who i hope will come back again and still to come can the republican party convince millennials to vote for them?
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that figure is expected to go up to 39%. they voted overwhelmingly for president obama over the republican challengers. it would be unwise for democrats to take however the vote for granted. according to the a fusion poll from january, more millennials identified as independents than members of either party. a book arguesffiliated voters could be up for grabs. >> author of "the selfie vote," how republicans can keep up. unaffiliated doesn't mean they are really up for grabs, means they are not going to show up to vote and bad for american democracy to have a generation of people on both parties. >> it's bad so many young voters feel like participating in the process won't mean anything for them, one way or the other. it doesn't matter if i turn out to vote, that's depressing
disheartening, i think part of the reason is that also they don't like labels that they don't like the baggage that they think comes certainly with the republican party, but they don't necessarily agree with 100% of the democratic party. the weird analogy, you don't have to buy a whole album on itunes. >> you don't even have to buy them anymore -- >> yeah -- >> sorry. >> they may say well i agree with republicans on some issues but can't get over the gay marriage thing and so i don't want to call myself a republican republican. figuring out what to do with voters is important for republicans party id what label you wear is the best predictor of who you vote for. if they don't have the democratic label on there is a chance republicans can rollback horrible margins they are seen among young voters. >> you talk about marriage
equality is generational but the other thing about millennials is it's one thing to think about them as college kids on campus but they are a generation that grows up with these wide economic disparities, they are the most racially diverse generation to come into kind of american political maturity and if words like racist and old fashioned with the words associated with a republican party if they don't like labels those are hard for republicans to the overcome. >> very much so. consider that you can't really separate the diversity of this generation with republican struggles with them. if you look at the exit polls, mitt romney won young white voters, white millennials, romney wins them and often time when is you hear the republican party needs to work on the problems with you talk about the different buckets of voters this is all intertwined and related issues. >> right. this is true of their gender gap
which is a gap driven by women of color because mitt romney wins white women and married. talk to me about jeb bush and march rubo rubio. >> i think in one sense because both of them they speak spanish floout fluently and maybe tried to have the softest rhetoric. that's part of the potential appeal. you've seen marco rubio make this generational argument that he wants a new american century and he's very young in the race. that's why he has some potential. i think the reason jeb bush has potential is that he is clearly, i mean he was the one republican to show up at the national urban league. he understands the challenges the party and party brand faces maybe better than any other candidate and also he does things like when hillary clinton gives a speech where she's skeptical of uber jeb bush gets in uber in san francisco. part of it is showing up and those are candidates at the
moment doing the best job of at least trying to show up. >> so i have a quick hypothesis to run by you. i am maybe a little less likely than some of my colleagues to think hillary clinton is a strong general election candidate but the one population i'm convinced she might have a stronger shot with than i expect is with young people because turned out my students i'm still mad with hillary clinton from the '90s, right, and they don't have any residual angst about her as a candidate. is it possible while there is room for republicans, she is the one that for hillary clinton the millennials are the group to which she could be introducing herself? >> she certainly is introducing herself to this generation. most millennials, folks born between 1980 and 1999 they were in school. i do think that as she's introducing herself, this trustworthiness thing is going to be a big issue because so many millennials are optimistic
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americans. those images from bloody sunday changed a political landscape in washington d.c. and across the country and enabled the passing of the voting right less than six months later. protesters are striking out on a march starting in selma. in 1 965 marchers were marching and today's protesters plan to go further by a combination of walking and riding buses, they will travel 860 miles arriving in washington d.c. in six weeks. they will expand their calls six states and economic inequality in and education reform in georgia. criminal justice reform in south carolina voting rights in north carolina. it's in north carolina where a federal court is right now hearing a challenge the state's worst and allowed states like
north carolina to pass new voting laws without the approval of a federal government. after the stop in north carolina and a youth rally in virginia, the marchers will then arrive in washington d.c. when congress will have reconvened after the august recess. it will bring their full list of demands to the a day and more on monday's movement launched in north carolina they will bring issues together part of a comprehensive fusion movement but the key remains the right to vote. for all the recent rhetoric about racial unity in the face of violence and confederate flags coming down there is one clear thing that needs to be done. we need congress to write a new formula for the voting rights act. one more time. we're going to need a new formula for the voting rights act that was signed 50 years ago this week. we need the federal government to stop states from suppressing the vote before the damage is done. here is the table, christian
solstice and jamel buoy staff writer at "slate" and julie and author of "the first urgency of now lyndon johnson congress and the battle for society" and joining me know from alabama is rep representative terry soul. why are we back in selma? why are we back? >> we're back here to start the naacp's journey to justice march. as you know they will start it here in selma, alabama today in celebration of the 50th anniversary of the signing of the civil rights, i mean, the voting rights act of 1965. they are here to remind us that we still have modern day efforts
to restrict the right to vote and as long as there is a need to protect vulnerable communities, the seniors, disabled, poor we need to restore the voting rights act and as you said it's on us congress to come up with a modern day formula. >> you know, the last time we were there was 50 years and commemorateing marking bloody sunday but everyone in that moment said this issis not just a commemoration and celebration of look how far we've come but the launching of a new movement. so how does this movement reflect it from 50 years ago? >> well i think that old battles have become new again, a renewed assault on voting rights and as you've so rightly pointed out, the supreme court issued a challenge to congress to come up with a modern day formula. i know that i have worked very hard with civil rights groups as well as with senators to
restore the voting rights preclearance protections and so i think it's really important we learn the lessons of the past and we mobilize folks to really demand that congress act on restoring the voting rights act. >> so stick with us representative sewell but i love that representative sewell put this in a positive context. talk about the beholder was a positive challenge issued by the supreme court to the u.s. congress? >> a devastating decision. we had the supreme court upholding the voting rights act and what we're talking about is a particular provision called the preclearance provision that freezes in time an election system in a jurisdiction unless a potential change is able to be shown to not be discriminatory and problematic and it had been upheld by numerous sumpreme
courts and it decided it needed to be refleshed, something that caused incredible devastation in the field and had not only the north carolina case was mentioned the at the opening but other laws went into effect. we got an active lawsuit in texas. >> texas. >> which has been challenged now twice under a federal court trying to make sure that the people of texas are able to vote without discriminatory barriers and how many courts have to decide a law like the texas law is problematic and makes it hard for people to vote unnecessarily. >> you talk about the way that congress and president johnson are able in part because they are being pushed by the social movement from the outside to make changes that some of them wanted to make some of them didn't but nonetheless, the landscape change and i got to say between the 50th commemoration, between the on going marches in moral mondays
and national naacp moving forward in this way and quite frankly, over the dead bodies of nine martyrs in charleston do we finally have what's necessary to get a formula based on what made it possible? >> i'm not sure because there is another part of the story and a movement trying to dismantle this voting rights bill. part of it is a judicial movement and it starts in the 1980s with the court and come nates -- cull money nate to overturn it. the move the doesn't work in favor of vote rights as this moment so there has to be a contest. it was crucial in march of '65 that the movement forced the hands of lyndon johnson and members of congress who wanted voting rights but were tepid about moving forward and have to be connected to the otherish issues
like policing. that's the story activists need to tell. >> jamel, help me to think through this a bit. given where we are, if nothing changes, will the existing realities on the ground affect the outcome of the election by encouraging people to show up because they feel surprised as we saw in 2012 or suppressing the vote? >> both will happen. in 2012 you seen people turn out or stay in long for a long time in part because it was a historical election reelection campaign for vice president and in part because of defiance, you're not going to keep me from the polls. at the same time, there is evidence that these laws did suppress the vote there were fewer people at the polls who would have been under a more open voting system. maybe they will cancel each other out, which is a loss right. >> instead of making progress forward. >> yeah part of why i'm very
pessimistic about the process for a new formula is back in the '60s, voting rights cut across partisan lines. this was in a sectional issue -- >> right, i was going to say because democrats in the south didn't decide they were republicans yet. >> very much a sectional issue but seechla tension around openness to the voting system and it's kind of falling down partisan lines now and as long as that's the case, i don't imagine that being bridged. >> representative sewell let me ask you this you know the inside of congress in ways none of the rest of us do sitting here at the table. can you get it done before 2016? will we have a new formula? >> listen i think that the only way that we're going to get a new formula and get a bill on the floor of the house is if the people demand that we get a bill and restore the voting rights act. i'm happy to be here with the
naacp. it's important that any movement to try to restore the act is grass roots up. it won't start in congress. as you know just in march, i had 100 members of congress here, republicans and democrats to commemorate the march. we it was a great moment and the only way that we can actually get action is if the people demand action. >> right, one of the things that's important is congress is not the only game in town. we got the courts congress but people moving in the states, progressive legislation. we're seeing exciting things happening in a bunch of places. >> tell me one place. >> for example, oregon, oregon passed a piece of legislation that would put the burden on the government to register voters. people get automatically registered when they go to the dmv unless they don't want to register to vote. law passed in new jersey hopefully governor christie won't veto it. we need to make sure we put
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they described it as quote located in the basement of a general education school with the own separate entrance. the students never leave the basement or interact with any other students during the school day. there is a large sign hanging on the front of this classroom that says detention because the classroom is also used for detention outside regular school hours. most of these students go to school in entirely separate buildings and in some cases, the exact same crumbling structures where black students are segregated during jim crow. students with disabilities in what's known as the program are denied basic school amenities like playgrounds, gyms libraries, extra curricular activities and taught computer computer-based lessons with no actual certified teacher. one mother told the doj her daughter desperately wishes to have her picture taken and included in the yearbook as all
her friends in general education schools do. the justice department claims these circumstances violate the americans with disabilities act and demanded the changes be made. georgia officials told us they have no comment except to confirm that they received the letter and are in contact with the doj. i read that letter it's a lot. joining me now is leslie. i really did, i read every word of that letter and it is pretty damming. are you surprised by the doj's findings? >> we are not surprised at all and we have been waiting for this day. it is skating. >> talk to me. what kind of harm does the this segregation impose? i mean what difference does it make if students are in separate spaces or not? >> it has enormous harm for
these students. they are kept separate and away from their peers, siblings kids in the neighborhood from as you mentioned these very inferior types of buildings and from quality teachers and i had to go back to the peer piece again because we learned to be cool and to be in the community from other kids around our age. >> stick with us for a second. i want to come to you. we were talking upstairs with the producers this morning and i felt like saying didn't we decide segregation is bad? just sort of full stop that it is inherently unequal? >> i mean, certainly. there is a great number of cases on this issue that is something we don't want as a country, part of the promise to the our citizens or that we are equal and when you see this kind of treatment in so many areas of the law, it really causes some soul searching. we see it happening in the fight over voting rights what country
are we going to be and the criminal justice system and we see how we treat, you know students with disabilities. this is something that's a problem and i'm glad the department of justice is looking into. >> i want to think about structure, and happens in part because there is a simultaneous pressure to educate all children and pressure to get test scores to a certain place. what they do is create dual tracks or is this just like base level nasty segregation based on discriminatory beliefves and feelings? >> there are all sorts of say shenanigans schools do to hide test scores. i think we see that throughout the world within. for kids with disabilities, this is even more of an issue where
kids aren't even given the opportunity to access the general curriculum as other kids whose test scores may be hidden but at least accessing parts of the general curriculum. >> part of the reason i wanted you here is it feels to me like one of these, if we think about sort of the bridge building possibilities or the moments when republicans could make something their issue, like this feels like hello, especially generationally, many of us who came up in a time post americans with disability act in schools that were public schools where we had people with a variety of different ability and skill levels this to be core nauseating nauseating. >> we just celebrated the 25th anniversary, was it, of the americans with disabilities act. this is a heartbreaking story to come on this key anniversary and i think when you look at issues around education reform and structural problems you see these interesting coalitions come together that don't fit along stormnormal party lines with
civil rights groups walking hand and hand with folks technology ceos, walking hand and hand with folks that are moderate repubn politicians because it's not the usual right back and forth. it's not about politics. >> jamel, who this are kids are. there is undoubtedly intersections here with rural and urban identity. kids are catching a particularly bad claim on this and we know that black students with disabilities are more likely to find themselves in the segregated settings than white students. it's multiple levels of privilege privilege intersect. >> there is a well-recognized finding students of color are more classified as put into classes for students with disabilities, kind of not regardless of the about the the
ty -- abilities but he seems to be on the edge we'll put him there and in georgia the the segregation of disabled kids what that looks like in a lot of school districts, black and latino kids being put in extremely under served classrooms and i'll say, you know, my partner is a teacher. she teaches in an integrated classroom so some kids have disabilities and the idea you segregate kids like that actually like really offends me. it's -- >> there is a kind of core response to it. let me give you one last word on this and that is i like to beat up on georgia because one of my producers is from atlanta but is georgia unique or are we likely looking at this with the doj see this in a lot of different states? >> so one way we're unique is when you talk about structure and you like to think about that infrastructure and scaffolding,
it is inherently separated from the department of education and i think that is what helped the doj to georgia and makes us extra special. >> in the case of georgia, you can shut down that separate entity? >> we are all after that. >> yeah. >> and then i do absolutely agree with you on a national perspective, once people are less than people would be segregated socially and distanced from good things going on in the community. we see that everywhere. >> thank you to leslie in charleston, south carolina. thank you for taking time from your vacation to talk with us about this. >> my pleasure. >> about this important story. >> thank you, professor. >> here in new york thank you to my guests. still to come the obama administration's latest bold
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32 states have full or partial ban on food stamps. drug offenders are not eligible for pub lig housing but tide may be shifting. president obama is the first sitting president to visit a federal prison and called to reforms like banning the box on job applications and yesterday, his administration unveil add program that could be a real game changer. and i'm joined now by two of the people who were there for the announcement the reverend vivian nixon, college fellowship that gives opportunities and glen martin helping to aim to cut the u.s. prison population in half. reverend nixon, what is it -- the president, by the way, tweeted yesterday in his tweet launching a pilot program to help students in prison pay for college because everyone willing to work for it deserves a second chance. so what exactly is this policy the president was tweeting about? >> well, there is a clause in the higher education act that permits the department of
education to initiate a request for applications for experimental site initiatives. these experimental sites are run by institutions of higher education and could do something that would not normally be allowed to be done under the higher education act. one of the things that's banned according to the higher education act is giving pell grants which is tuition assistance to students in prison. the government is saying we are welcoming experimental site applications from colleges who want to teach students in prison and we will provide pell grants to pay for the tuition. >> pell grants are tuition support for those with the very lowest incomes. >> yes. >> so glen what difference does that make? because i have to say, i'm sure there are some people who think students in prison that's not even a thing to be said. that's not everyone a phrase. what difference does it make for pell grants to be available?
>> as someone that went to college in prison and earn add two-year liberal arts degree is huge. in prison we lock up some of america's best and brightest. that may not be the narrative but that's not what i experienced. when i went to college, there were many men there in the program but it was a skeleton of what it used to be before than president clinton in congress took it away in 1994. there were about 35 40 people when at the height of the program just before it was taken away there were a couple hundred people in the program and it was constantly a flow of people in the facility who would take the test to go to college but not able to get in because of lack of space in the program. >> so this point, i think, and in part how you frame it, right this isn't even what we think we mean, i just have to say, i love how you frame for us d.e.o.o.e. is
doing, department of education. they would ban the idea and some would call it a federal over reach and the discourse, kids before cons, no students in prison clearly seems to be at the core of it. >> it -- >> go ahead. >> maybe it should be kids before congress because my 4-year-old can figure out if you can invest less money and have better outcomes, then you should be doing it. government has responsibility to do more of what works and less of what doesn't. a small investment in the education of people in prison yields huge outcomes according to the ram corporation, their research says that you get a 45% reduction for people who have access to higher education in prison. >> so yes, these experimental sites do take advantage of what they are calling a loophole in the law but experimental sites had been run every, almost every year before just in a different
area. in 2014 experimental sites were run to look at prior learning experiences and how to gather information from adult students who have had prior experience and give them credit for that. so there is many many experimental sites that had been done and congress was never bothered by those experiments so why this one? >> i also love so glen you kind of put a finger on research and using the language of experimental sites as part of the legislative language. i want to point out attorney general lynch said we know from research incarcerated individuals that participate in correctional education including remedial and post secondary programs are more likely to stay out of prison and gain employment and more likely to remain crime free. in each of the cases, we're talking about gathering evidence gathering data not making public policy just based on kind of the whims of the moment or the or our sense of
disgust. instead, let's actually look at what works to make meaningful social policy. >> you know the fact that the administration is doing this first of all, doesn't preclude congress from having a discussion about bringing back full eligibility to have access to pell grants and second of all, a huge portion of smaller government and guess what? one of the biggest expenditures on budget is prison. >> that point suddenly you end up with an actual i want to say i know you guy haves been working on this it was so nice to see administration be able to announce that this work that you two have both been doing for so long is part of the public policy landscape. so thank you for joining us reverend vivian nixon and glen martin. up next why your barbershop may
whole. grain. oats. it's a place when you leave you know you're fresh, where you get your fade tightened up and the nice close shave. the barbershop in african american communities is the living heart beat of community and find everyday talk and neighborhood gossip. it's also where young boys follow in the footsteps of men, of their fathers, brothers uncles mentors to get haircuts and life lessons and some are becoming a space for these young men to brush up on their reading skills. in the adams morgan neighborhood eddies hair design has a small children's library thanks to donations from
non-profits and the collaboration with the obama administration. as an offshoot of the my brother's keeper initiative, the department of education is working with at least 20 barbershops nationwide and joining me is john king deputy of education and a former elementary school principal that super viceses vices principals in the schools. why barbershops? >> we know barbershops are a place where you're going to find kids boys girls there with their fathers and uncles and grandfathers and they may be sitting there looking for something to do it's a great place to have a book and do summer reading. we certainly worry in the summertime that students lose academic ground and this is a way to make sure students reading everywhere. >> talk to me about your experience as a principal and what this kind of effort tells you or what you see in this effort that is valuable. >> well both as a principal and
as a parent it's really important we seize these opportunities when we're with our children outside of school to continue reading and learning. it's been exciting to work with the department on read where you are because it's an extension of what we're doing with dcps passing out 80,000 books that kids could take home with them because when they are at the barbershop or on a road trip or sitting at home we want them to be engaged and exciting and enriching activities that keep their brains growing. >> so john, i'm wondering if you had a chance to actually any of this happening and sort of not only how the boys and girls, the young people in the barbershops respond but how the adults in the barbershop respond to the books. >> gene and i were at a barbershop on wednesday reading with students and giving out books and what was great was the kids were so excited to be read to at barbershop but so excited about the books they got and after we left we were standing
out in front of the barbershop and kids were coming in and picking up books and diving into reading and it's what i remember doing as a kid when i would go to barbershops. this is an opportunity to make sure all kids are reading and barbershops and hair salons and places where there is opportunity to make books available. >> there are earlier attempts and some of them are still existing to the use barbershops and beauty salons as a place for health decimation like breast cancer and prostate cancer maybe you can tell us if i have viewers watching, why barbershops and beauty salons why this place is so much more than a place of grooming. >> we had a group of barbers join us here in d.c. for a hair battle and hair battle convention and they came and met with our staff the at the department and one of the things that was striking was that
barbers, hair salon owners areity and excited about this event and told us about things they do to support the community, whether it's offering free cuts to kids who get good grades in school to organizing neighborhood activities on their block and in their community. so i think these are a community institution that for a long time in the african american community played a critical role and we're honored to partner with folks. >> if i am watching this in a city where we don't have this what can principals and educators in the last few weeks of the summer but going into fall and winter can do? >> i have a friend who with her church group does reading like the this at their local laundromat. so it's just seizing every opportunity that you have with the child to keep them engaged in reading and learning.
my 5-year-old is asking me questions and he said to me the other day, daddy, questions are how children learn their lives. and so what i would ask is that anybody has the opportunity to work with their any local community organization come to the school and be a mentor and find the core and engage them and bring them into the things you find fun about learning. teach them to ask questions and we're not going to close the opportunity gap if we're just doing it in the schools. it really has to be a broader effort. >> thank you to eugene and deputy secretary john king. before the break, i want to tell a little story about what happens when you encourage kids to think critically ask ask tickly and ask questions. i had a chance to participate on friday, young adults from around the country were invited to the
white house to participate in the youth leadership and policy hack athon and i travelled with four fellows of wake forest university. they joined 80 other young leaders from across the country and spent the day tackling tough issues like campus sexual assault, the school to prison pipeline and increasing diversity in stem fields along with developing their the leadership skills they had a chance to make recommendations about federal policies and present them to senior members of the obama administration. these young leaders were clear, forceful and brilliant as they layout frame work for more inclusive and equitible america. i got to say thank goodness and thanks to the leadership they will continue to provide in coming decades, our future is bright. it was an honor to watch them work. congratulations to everyone who was part of it. up next she's a cheerleader, coder and a really good keynote speaker and she's just 13. our foot soldier joins me next.
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women in this country fill nearly half of all jobs but they hold less than 25% of stem jobs. we're talking here about work within science, technology engineering and math fields. in middle school 74% of girls are interested in stem subjects but when it comes time to choose a college major less than 1% of high school girls choose computer science. this week's foot soldier has been blogging since she was six, coding since she was 11 and has given tech talks in the u.s. and in canada. but it's her message that she calls undefinable me that really caught our attention. >> well, my dad and i were talking about this topic, we came up with this quote and i think it should relate to everybody because it's really encouraging. it says "what you see on the outside looking at me and what i see on the outside looking at you is not what you really are.
joining me in being an undefinable you." because really what i think about is we're all put into a skin that we have no control of so it really -- your job and mission is to show everybody what's inside of you. >> that was 13-year-old los angeles native kayla banks speaking in portland at the o'riley open source convention last week. right now she joins us from l.a. it's so nice to see you this morning, kayla. >> hi melissa. >> tell me about when you first got interested in computers. >> well i first got interested in computers when i was three growing up really and i always used to play games on different web sites like shock wave just any game i could get my hands on. >> so it's one thing to go from kind of being interested in computers and playing games to coding. can you tell me about your first coding conference? >> my first coding conference was scale, which stands for
southern california linux expo. it's my favorite conference to go to every year. i really look forward to it and, like i just -- yeah i started in 2013 because my dad persuaded me to talk there and then i just went on from there. >> so talk to me about the fact that you actually give public lectures to big audience and crowds. do you find it easy to do that or is it hard? >> well actually, the bigger the crowd it's easier. at o'riley when i gave my talk it was a really big crowd, 4,000 people, but i could barely see them so it was easy for me to talk to them but when i'm at scale and the audiences are smaller, it's a little harder to look at them but it's still easy. >> keila, while we were preparing for this segment and conversation with you, my producer was writing down notes, apparently she thinkings i know nothing about computer languages and she was explaining the difference between back end and
front end and the different things computer languages do. can you take a minute and explain to our audience what does it mean to say you code? what do you do when you're coding? >> most people don't know when there's a web site or app or anything behind that there's a whole line of geeky computer code like when you see on a tv show and there's a nerd hacking and then there's a whole bunch of so yeah, that's what i do. and there's different languages for code that do different things, like the one i'm programming in, rubeyruby python, that's more for back end and front end. there's lots of ways to use them actually. >> when you talk about coding and you say it's one of the things you do you do other things. this is what makes you as you call it an undefinable me. what else do you love to do? >> well i really like to edit
images, i like to edit videos, i like to play games a lot like simms and just a whole bunch of stuff i like to do and i also like to cook. >> what do you zmook. >> what do i cook? oh anything i can find on pinterest. >> do you particularly love sweets or do you mostly cook savory foods? >> i mostly cook savory foods like on the stove top. >> i was at the white house and talking about increasing diversity in stem fields. is there anything you would say in particular to girls about computers and coding? >> yeah. well, my words of advise are three words -- just do it. because, like it's so easy to do. well, it might not be easy for everybody but once you jump into it, it's easier than people make it out to be. >> thank you so much to keila
banks in los angeles california. i think you made my whole day today. thank you. >> thank you. that's our show for today. thanks to you at home for watching. i'll see you tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern. we'll talk about the killing of cecil the lion why it's outrage sod many and what it tells us about the continuing relationship between the united states and the continent of africa. but right now, it's time for a preview of week ends with alex wit. >> was in my ear when you were calling her out on tv. so she's getting a double am withmy. we're going to talk about the outrage of the killing of an african lion. i'll talk with jeff corwin about how common recreational hunting is and why more is not being done to ban it. also a new documentary on the televised debates that got really ugly in 1968. the stories behind the best of enemies when i talk to the film's co-director. plus jon stewart is about to end his run on "the daily show."
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