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showdown in the hawk eye state. hill deliberate and jeb bush are both on the ground in iowa. but while donald trump has not yet arrived his shadow is looming large. >> vote for the next president. >> [ inaudible ]. why do you think that is? >> we'll find out later. that is long haul, man. >> >> history in hahavana. after more than half a century the u.s. flag is now flying over the u.s. embassy in cuba. and developing now. the pentagon confirms it is surveying two military sites to hold detainees currently at gtmo bay. and the moves lebron james is making off the court. we start with the 2016 presidential race. and all eyes on iowa. my minute now hillary clinton is set to begin a town hall in
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debuick ahead of her trip to the iowa state fair tomorrow. that coming as the democratic front runner faces more scrutiny over her e-mails two. e-mails on her server deemed top secret, including discussions of a u.s. drone operation. at the fair clinton will be avoiding the famous soap box and its wide open opportunity for hecklers. but jeb bush braved it today facing some tough questions, including why he's using many of the same advisors as his brother and father. >> and if they have any executive experience they have had to deal with two republican administrations. who are the people that were presidents the last two republican -- i mean this is kind of a tough game for me to be playing to be honest with you. >> if it's tough for bush to convince people he's a stranger to the political game, donald trump hasn't had niz of those problems. he'll touch down in des moines
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on his own private helicopter at the fair tomorrow. joining us from des moines casey hunt. the big question, will anyone get a ride on donald trump's private hol krorpt? r what are you hearing? >> trump aids tell me they are optimistic that rides on the helicopter will be allowed. they wanted to let kids do that and initially fair officials had been saying no way no how can you do that. but it sounds like that may change. i think we're going to see something that is unprecedented in the history of the fair. a places that frankly full of pomp and circumstance and pageantry and all sorts of things that are unexpected. politically speaking i don't think has ever seen anything like we're what we're going to see from trump tomorrow. and that is a real contrast from jeb bush today. who did a very classic iowa state fair type visit. the two republican senators here in iowa. he took all kinds of questions
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from reporters, from voters across the board. we did that traditional soap box. he took questions up there, opened himself up to heckling. my guess is that at this point it is going to be the opposite of what we're going to see from trump tomorrow. >> and aside from visiting the butter cow, what are we expecting from trump ice visit to iowa? what do people say about hiss visit there? one thing i think we've seen bubble up in the last couple of days ayman, there was a great story in the washington post about the ground game with trump in iowa. and i think that is the real question. is trump going to combine what is clearly a lot of grassroots energy and anger and interest in his campaign with something that actually can turn people out to the caucuses. whether he can bring new people into the process. whether those people who he is appealing to are actually willing to show up. there is a big difference than telling a pollster that you like something and actually going out
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and voting in an iowa caucus. the organizing process is pretty enintense. so i i think there is going to be a focus on that. he does have quite a few iowa staffers and seems to be putting in place a organization that could potentially rival more traditional candidates. >> we'll be back to you in a minute. but before trump touches down in iowa, he'll hold a rally in new hampshire a few hours from now. wooer and we're hearing he may release specific policy decisions. and joining us live from new hampshire. let me start by asking you what people are saying in new hampshire? and what are you hearing about any potential specific declarations from the trump campaign about policy? >> now they have been saying for the past few days they are going to release policy specifics but they haven't given a specific time line. they keep saying soon. my sources tell me that it will include a tax plan. he talked a little about that on hannity the other day.
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saying he did not support a flat tax but rather a graduated tax. and it is those sort of positions that people out here in new hampshire really want to hear more about. that and immigration as well. new hampshirens expect their politicians and candidates to have details of plans. and expect them to be acknowledge and they except them to be accessible when they want to ask these questions. so far trump has been big and idealist and he has said he's going the best at this and the best at that and the greatest jobs president god ever made but so far he hasn't given any concrete details and the people out here are excited and they can't wait to hear what he had to say. they do expect more details from him soon. in order for them to make a decision on whether or not they do want to cast a ballot. >> thank you. let's bring in our political panel to break this down for us. joining us are national political reporter for the washington post robert costa,
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and robert trainem and back from the iowa state fair casey hunt. gentlemen and casey, thanks for joining us again. robert, your headline today reads an iowa surprise, donald trump is actually trying to win. and it includes, quote, you can't swing a dead cat in iowa and not hit a trump person. that is actually rick perry's iowa campaign person saying that. how real is trump campaign in iowa? >> casey has seen it up close and knows as well as i do and other reporters that chuck laud ner is helping out trump these days and they are really getting a ground game going in the northwest part of the state that is very conservative. they are driving a trump bus that is royal blue around going to walmart parking lots. it really contrasts with trump's celebrity. he may be a big star in the gop field but on the ground it is
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old school campaigning. >> and you also report that there were about 100 people or so that showed up to the trump bus iowa. and he wasn't even in the bus. >> he wasn't. this is what makes the trump campaign a singular experience in american politics. a bus without the candidate draws 100 people at a walmart. i this i some see it as an oasis of celebrity politics in a desert of shopping carts. at the same time they think trump is connecting with these voters that may not have participated in the political process for years. most of the people that come up to sign up for trump don't really know what a caucus is. they want to contribute and help trump. >> and let me debt your take as well. trump is making a real play for iowa. he's obviously leading but can he really go to distance there, robert? >> casey we'll come to you in a second. >> robert there are two roberts.
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this robert? i'm not exactly sure. about a month ago i've given up trying to question trump's motives in predicting this. it's so unpredictable. his motto is make america great again. and a lot of people are so frustrated with the politicians they don't speak in declarative sentences they don't stand for anything. and one thing about donald trump is he speaks declaratively and he stands for something. the question comes whether or not that actually translates to votes. my political gut tells me no but historically when you look at donald trump's success in the polls, perhaps maybe something is there. but if you take a look at it mathematically ayman, i just don't know whether or not donald trump has the grassroots organization to go to the finish line. iowa has 99 counties. iowaens are very sophisticated as it relates to educating themselves at the candidates. and something tells me once you peel back the onion and look at other layers there is nothing of
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of substance with trump. but the reality is you never know. >> casey, let me ask you this. jeb bush, he had a tough interaction today on the soap box in iraq. take a listen. >> the iraqis want our help. they want to know that we have skin in the game, that we're committed to this. >> -- in 2011. >> excuse me? >> you had to get out in 2011. >> we didn't have to get out in 2011. >> your brother signed the deal. >> it could have been modified and that was the expectation. >> the iraq question seems to still get under jeb's skin. how much of a problem is this going to be for his campaign going forward and even right now in iowa? >> i think the iraq question is one version of a set of wider questions about the fact that jeb bush is a bush. and that is i think what you saw on the soap box today. there were a number of questions not just on iraq that related to his brother's legacy. one of them was on social security, which is a real bread and butter issue here in iowa.
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somebody asked did he support his brother's plan to privatize it. remember back in 2005 george bush promoted privatizing social security. jeb bush said no that is not my plan. it might have been okay at the time but that is not the way i want to go. this is an issue that you can see it when he's on the trail. it bugs him. when reportersic s ask it. but at the end of the day it is the question he's getting over and over again. and he'll say, you know, i have to sell myself, i have to present myself joyfully and show my record. but we found out he still has a long way to go before people start to see him as his own man instead of just the context of his family. and it is possible they never will see him out out of that context. i think how well he does here depends a lot on whether or not he can successfully break that mold. >> how does bush's iowa campaign compare to trumps? why is trump succeeding where bush isn't? >> it is early.
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bush has a solid campaign. he's announced a lot of allies and supporters in key counties. he has the network. he has the name. he's struggling because there is a state that is very averse to common corps and bush has long been a proponent of the improving standards. that's met with we'reness. new hampshire is a better play for bush. a little more center right. we'll see if she stays hard in iowa and plays hard there. at the moment trump is capturing attention. >> jeb bush says folks are going to come around to wanting a grown up behind the big desk. can he be sure of that? >> at the end of the day i think so. if you look at the world right now it is pretty much a bit of a mess when it comes to isis, when it comes to relations are russia, when it comes to china and book door deals with trade. the economy. these are real issues here. and it goes back and harkens back to my point about iowaens and new hampshirites and most
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americans. great that you have a great sound bite but what are you going to do to fix the problems we are currently in and i'm not sure donald trump has that. but to his credit, jeb bush and kasich and others in the race are substantive. they are folks that have have been at the leadership table and can offer real solutions or at least a real vision to some of the problems americans are facing and i think at the end of the day that is what americans are going to be asking. >> all right. thank you all very much for joining us. we're going to have to wait and see what happens in iowa. we have new information about the white house plan to close guantanamo. the defense department team is actively looking for facilities inside the united states to house detainees from gtmo. coming up. history in halve nasmt the american flag raised in cuba for the first time since 1961. we're live in havana and we'll
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a historic day in cuba. secretary of state john kerry just wrapped up a the meeting hours after raising the u.s. flag over the embassy in havana for the first time in more than half a century.
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[ drum roll ] [ cheers and applause ] it was the first time a secretary of state has visited cuba since 1945, marking a symbolic end to one of the last vestiges of the cold war. >> we are certain that the time is now to reach out to one another as two peoples who are no longer enemies or rivals, but neighbors. time to unfurl our flag, raise them up and let the world know that we wish each other well. >> and it is just part of a full restoration of diplomatic ties between the two country, months after president obama began easing travel and business restrictions. lester holt spoke to cuban residents to get their reaction. >> what were you thinking when you watched the flag go up over the u.s. embassy today? >> well i really think it is
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good opportunity that both countries have to increase the relationship. not just between governments but also between people. and i think it is a good opportunity for us. >> i feel very excited about it. i'm very positive. so i think that we can be focused in building a new future. and i think it is great for cuban people. >> nbc's mark potter is in little havana with reaction from the cuban exile community. we want to start with nbc's gabe gutierrez live in havana. obviously historic day today. tell us about the mood and what it is like on the ground there. >> hi ayman. as you mentioned an extremely historic day. and it is hard to put into words how historic it is given the complicated relationship that these two countries have had. over the past several decades it
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would have been unthinkable for an event like today to happen. building behind me the u.s. embassy for a long time wasn't officially the u.s. embassy for several decades and fiddle castro calling it a nest of spies. many ooint american protests happened peer. but this morning for the first time in 54 years the flag is now flying behind me. it was a very emotional ceremony. secretary kerry was here and he -- included in his audience were three marines that actually lowered that flag back in 1961, the year that the u.s. severed diplomatic ties with cuba. secretary kerry has had ha busy day. and also met with a cube foreign minister and this afternoon he's getting set for a reception at the chief of missions office here where he's expected to meet with members of cuban civil society as well as cuban political dissidents who were not invited to this morning's ceremony. >> thank you gabe.
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and now for the reaction from the cuban community here in the united states. let's go to nbc's mark potter who is in miami rngs also known as little havana for us. former florida governor and 2016 candidate jeb bush called this quote, a birthday present for fiddle castro, a symbol of the obama administration's acquie e acquiescence so his legacy. is that the sentiment felt by the cuban american community. >> owe hear that a lot here. there are a lot of people here talking about radio and television here where people come to talk politics. that this is a day of appeasement. this is a day of bail out for the cuban government. that is a sentiment widely held. but i want to be clear it is not the only opinion here in the miami and not the only opinion in the cuban american community. over time the opinions have been nuanced and divided and there are a lot of people here in the cuban american community too who
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believe it is better to engage the cuban government to bring about change than to ignore the cuban government. so there has been a change over the years. wow couldn't have said that 15, 20 years ago. decades ago you couldn't even talk about this without being attacked. things have changed dramatically in this community and now it is safe to say there is a divided opinion in miami and in the cuban american community here. >> mark potter in little havana for us, also known as miami in that case. thank you mark. for more i'm joined by republican congressman from south carolina's first district. mark sanford. he is also a co-sponsor of the freedom to travel to cuba act. thank you for joining us. i want to start off with that and get your thoughts on this day and what your takeaway from it. >> indeed this has already been pointed out an historic day. an important day but not just from a cuban standpoint. i think from an american standpoint. at the end of the day i think
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americans have a constitutional right to travel. you can travel to syria, you can travel to afghanistan. you can travel to north korea. a lot of crazy places around the world. but the only place wherein there is a federal government prohibition currently happens to be cuba. just a couple of miles literally off the coast of florida. and so this idea of working to change that which hasn't worked for a long while i think is indeed historic. >> i want to play what marco rubio himself a cuban american had to say about the deal this morning. take listen. >> the deal with cuba threatens america's moral standing in our hemisphere and around the world. it brings legitimatety si to a state response over terror. >> what do you say to members of your own party who believe this brings legitimacy to a state sponsor of terrorism.
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>> one, it is inaccurate. but two, it is very important that america be consistent with regard to its policy. and it was ronald reagan himself, a truly great republican, a truly great conservative who said that kids ought to travel to, you know, to then, you know, basically what was the berlin wall, the eastern republic states along russia traveled there was key to bringing down the berlin wall. he believed in engagement. i think it is an old fashioned conservative idea this idea with engaging with neighbors as opposed to attempting to isolate them. and we also need to be consistent from the standpoint what we do with other countries. there are a host of other countries around the globe that
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tragically don't have great human rights records. but what we've we've chosen is do whether with china or a host of other places is the say if we engage we may be able to bring more change than if we don't. i think the same holds true in cuba. >> politically speaking does this put republicans in a bind going into 2016? >> not really. because as you know too often is the case of diffused costs and concentrated benefit in the world of politics. so the people who care legitimately down in south florida, whose grandparents came over, who saw real oppression in cuba, they care a lot. the average person in kansas or idaho or somewhere in south carolina, it is just not a front burner issue. so i think in political terms it is still difficult to maneuver the congress to get it where frankly the people are in this country because of the loud
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noise that you might hear out of a couple of congressional districts in south florida. >> and congressman, while i have you've got to ask you about another subject we're learning about and that is the that pentagon will service two military instalgss to transfer guantanamo detainees to these locations. >> they are looking at the navy brig in north charleston and we've already been notified by the military and been in the process of beginning communication. i think what they are talking about here is flat out unlawful to cut to the chase. if you look at the different appropriations built and the authorizations bill passed by the congress there were specific prohibition to go through the end of the year to do exactly what they are proposing to do. it is premature based on the law that exists. >> congressman, thank you very much for joining us. >> yes, sir.
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more on the clean up and rescue effort. >> at least one pleas of good news today. a 19-year-old firefighter pulled out alive. now, nobody expected that. at the same time a team of bio chemical specialists has arrived with officials admitting they don't really know pe siesly what deadly toxins they are dealing with. hundreds of firefighters are battling the inferno. today pulling out a live one of those colleagues treated in a nearby hospital. more than 20 firefighters died in the blast and 13 are still missing. officials say firefighters themselves may have triggered the blast by hosing water on an initial fire on a warehouse with a nasty chemical.
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at this hour hillary clinton is in iowa holding a town haul in debuke. her campaign continues to have questions about e-mails. associated press is reporting new e-mails on the server. one which related to a discussion of a u.s. drone operation. and another that could point back to highly classified material in an improper manner. the controversy has also revived
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chatter about vice president joe biden and now within the last 24 hours former vice president al gore formally entering the democratic race. christen welker is breaking it down. let's talk about the clinton's campaign and what they are saying about the latest report. what is the strategy to address the controversy now? >> irs if they point to the fact that they point to the fact that secretary clinton has consist t consistently said they never knowingly transmitted any classified information. and this report does specify that clinton never sent those two e-mails in question. you raise the point ayman and it is important. how does the clinton campaign begin to turn the page only this? i spoke with an advisor today who said look they are going to be trying to aggressively answer any attacks that may come her way and to set the record straight they are going to be arguing she hasn't done anything
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wrong and they are going to try to do so aggressively in the coming weeks. earlier this week her communications director jim palmieri sent out that tloert reporters breaking down and separating fact from fiction. they willdont do that. she's in iowa this week and will try to focus on policies particularly the policy to lower cost of education and i think you are going to see that as well. she is going to try to stay on message and keep the focus on the issues that she want to be talking about. the clinton campaign is also going to be look at october 22nd and see that as the real purn turning point and hoping after that they can begin to move on from these mounting questions. of course there are headlines on a weekly basis and every time they have to answer questions it is a moment, a day they are not talking about the issues they want to be talking about. so i think that is the strategy in the short-term. and again they are hoping that october 22nd will really help them turn the page more firmly.
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>> as we are talking hillary clinton is also speaking. we'll be watching that. i want to also get your take on another thing. and that was the reports about al gore considering a run. today his spokeswoman said there is no truth to it. he's laser focused on solving the climate crisis. does this put the speculation to rest or are we still going to be hearing more of these questions in the coming day? i think we'll still be more of the questions because it is fun for people who love politics. but i've been talking to people familiar with gore and he's really not considering a run. what is true however is it is likely some supporters, his allies are talking about what ifs. and they are doing that because there are some within the democratic party who believe that secretary clinton is now more vulnerable because of this drip, drip, drip of these e-mail stories and they are concerned that that makes the democratic party vulnerable in the general election.
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so they are talking about these what if scenarios but there is no indication there's been any formal meetings. former vice president gore certainly hasn't been a part of any formal meetings. at this point it is buzz at this point. >> somebody else getting more serious buzz perhaps is joe biden, the vice president. he's give b it more serious thought and there is a report out today he might consider pledging if he does run to serve just one term as president. what is the latest you are hearing? >> you hit the nail on the head. he is seriously considering this. he is reaching out to some of his allies, some of his closest friends just to say, look, i am thinking about this. it is late. that is the reality. the other reality here is that he is still very much deep lly mourning his son beau who passed away in may after a battle with brain cancer. if you talk to democrats they
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say one of his biggest challenges is where would he fit in this debate. you have bernie sanders casts as the progressive candidate. hillary clinton running on president obama's platform. and then of course adding to that where would he fit into that narrative? is there a lane for him? that is going a challenge. this is a decision he's going to make with his family, it is deeply personal and he's not ready just yet. the earliest we could get a decision would come at the end of the month, or latest next month. >> thank you christen. now to u.s. officials saying they believe isis used chemical weapons this week inside iraq. two defense officials and one intelligence official told the group used mustard gas. it can cause blistering of the skin, eye pain, blindness and respiratory problems. it can be deadly if used in large quantities. coming up. scientists are calling it the
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the national weather forecaster is warning that an unprecedented godzilla like el nino currently forming over the pacific ocean could bring record storms this winter to california, triggering floods and mud slides not seen in decades. large areas of the south and east are also likely to be hit with much heavier than normal winter rain. carl, what is the latest on this report? >> the thinking is we're likely going to be in for a strong el nino and maybe one of the strongest that we have ever seen. and right now we're in a moderate el nino.
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here is a look at the forecast for el nino going forward. and we are thinking it is going to get into strong territory and possibly very strong territory. and that is probably going to mean an increase in rainfall across a lot of the southern half of the country. this is a look at what happened in 1982 and 97 and 98. that is when we had a couple of very strong el ninos and what happens is you get a flow in the atmosphere that comes across the southern part of the country. a lot of wet weather in california, which could be good news. obviously that could mean mud slides and flooding. but they certainly do need the rain and snow. and then a lot of rain for the southern part of the country as well. the southeast in particular. looking at california, in those years we got about twice the amount of rainfall and snowfall that we typically get. but we need about three times to get out of the drought. but it is certainly going to help if we do get that and this is the new forecast for the winter from the climate prediction center reflecting
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that strong signal that el nino. another thing we typically see is mild weather across a lot of the country and we may well see that coming up this winter. >> carl parker, thank you. straight ahead a great story from king james. what and how lebron is making it possible for kids to go to college for free. and we'll go back to cuba to talk about the future of american tourism there. will it become a tourist destination? but you're armed with a roomy new jansport backpack, a powerful new dell 2-in-1 laptop, and durable new stellar notebooks, so you're walking the halls with varsity level swagger. that's what we call that new gear feeling. you left this on the bus... get it at the place with the experts to get you the right gear. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great.
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>> the lebron james family foundation, he vows to send qualifying students from his hometown of akron to college. on four year academic scholarships. >> at this rate we got 1100 kids in our program. and if i can put 1100 kids into college, free, that means i've done something great to give back. >> as an akron teen himself, lebron skipped the awkward years and jumped straight to the cover of sports illustrated. where he was anointed at 17 the chosen one. >> are you able to look back now at 30 and say that was a surreal experience? >> absolutely. and i have things that is not going happen a lot. we're not going so see a it a lot. and the one thing that blocked me from you will of that is the
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friendships i had that i still have today and the mentors that i had around me. >> somehow he lived up to the hy hype. at 30, 11 all-star games. four mvp awards and a pair of gold medals. >> do you start thinking about the end? >> you can never not think about what happens next. and are more me i've brn able to check off every goal i've had in our league and now just trying to add to it. >> off the court lebron has become a media power house with his hollywood coming out party alongside amy shumer and bill hader in train wreck. and a production company that just signed a partnership with warner brothers. >> what's up. what's going on. >> is that where you see the post life as a media mogul? >> it is a passion of mine.
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everything i do i have a passion about it. and if we can continue it. i know i don't have to dribble a basketball and fly through the air to do those type of things. >> james has made no secret of his love for space jam, the warner brothers movie that starred michael jordan alongside the looney toons gang. >> will that happen with lebron james? >> we hope so. bugs and daffy and all of them. hopefully we can do some great things. >> on the subject of jordan. lebron in his prime, michael in his prime one on one. how do you think. >> i take myself. for sure. i'll tell you one thing, they are going to have to have a few wheelchairs and a couple of balance there to get us off the floor. >> not surprising to hear lebron james say that he could beat michael jordan there. but that was willie devigeist reporting. >> it was a better day for bulls
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for them. it is something the u.s. is doing to be better positioned to help cuban dissidents and eventually to open trade and commerce. and in that way take another stab at changing the reality in cuba. we've tried a punitive approach for five decades and it clearly didn't work. >> so andrea mitchell our chief foreign affairs correspondent just interviewed secretary of state kerry. i want to play that and then get your reaction. >> the foreign minister bruno rodriguez really slammed the u.s. saying cuba doesn't have racial discrimination. cuba doesn't torture people as we doguantanamo. his words. >> think he's trying to draw distinctions and i would draw them right back. the record here through the years has a sad history of a lot of things that never happened in
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the united states of america. and those will be the differences that i talked about. we have differences and we will have to talk about those difference. and will. we did today. >> clearly both countries have been their wild differences particularly on human rights. how far is this relationship going to go when you still have these very wide differences on very serious philosophical issues and fundamental issues? >> look, the united states disagrees passionately with lots of countries about lots of things. the fact that we can now have a conversation face to face with cuban officials at a high level to find areas of common interest and areas where we can cooperate, things like health policy, like migration, counselor cases. trade. this is very positive. it sets a new tone and in the long run i think what it allows us is to engage with ordinary cubans in a more effective way
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and broader. >> one of the things you wrote in april was the relationship will make it easy to open a dialogue about human rights and personal freedoms, two area where is the cuban government is richly deserving of criticism. >> have we seen any indication that dialogue has begun and any change on the ground that people who have been advocating for this openness in order to change cuba, any indications they might begin to respond? >> cuba remains a very reprissive state. i don't think that is going change overnight. i don't think the u.s. government expected that to change overnight. but something fundamental has changed. the cuban government can no longer credibly say that cubans can't have personal freedoms, can't have uncensored access to the internet, can't travel abroad. any number of things that were restricted in the past because the state is under a state of siege. because the u.s. is a constant threat. this has changed. so i think cubans are having new conversations about personal
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freedoms. about freedom of the press, about the kind of country they want to become in the future. very health. >> thank you for that insight. that's it for me this hour. have a great weekend everyone. michael eric dyson picks up live coverage next. i'm michael eric dyson. tonight donald trump takes on new hampshire. what he's he doing before boarding a helicopter for his grand entrance to the iowa state fair? other white house hopefuls are already there and one democratic candidate has received a coveteden dorsiment. and headed for the islands but it is no vacation. a yearlong simulation of life on mars atop a hawaiian volcano. and donald trump is set to touch down in new hampshire. he will speak this evening. as the larger event than the town hall voters are used to seeing. he is still at the top of the new hampshire polls but all eyes reason


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