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today? >> reporter: hey, ari. just like you said, a little bit of rock star status. he came a little bit after 9:00, late by court standards. he was supposed to be reporting at 9:00 and then was taken inside through security and up into the holding rooms and a lot of people here, there was a lot of reporters here this morning and then coming out for a lunch break around 1:00, 12:30, there was a lot more pedestrians, a lot more bystanders looking to get a glimpse of donald trump. a lot of them brought dollar bills. another had a sign, a poster saying go trump. a lot of them here so excited that he was here at the courthouse. >> did you get a sense of his mood here? everyone's seen him in the exclusionive interview with chuck todd. this looks like a jovial and excited trump. did you get a sense of how this relates to his campaign?
>> reporter: definitely. he told us crowds the courthouse, he said he was feeling good. he said that he was excited to be participating in the process and asked him about the immigration policy prescriptions he outlined on "meet the press" and the website and he declined to answer when i asked him about the cost of implementing that plan. nbc news says the plan could range from $100 billion to $200 billion to implement. quite a price tag on there that he didn't comment on here at the courthouse. >> ali vitali on the man that's clearly still in the reasoning for president. thank you for your time. advisers say he can take a break because he continues to lead in horse race polling ahead by double digit numbers and followed by ben carson. detractors say many candidates do terrible when it counts in the fall.
none of them you will remember nominees. now over to the democratic side. a poll has hillary clinton under 50% for the first time in the campaign. bernie sanders, socialist running against her, closing the gap by, get this, 27 points since june. wow. joining now is blake zeff. good day to you. >> thank you. >> you look at donald trump out there. you look at the buzz and the energy. how much of this now at this point reflects some real in your view enthusiasm within the republican party and how much of it reflects the fact he's had tons of free media provided by us, the media, print, internet and tv and probably propel anyone up to higher name i.d. and excitement? >> i think it is a little bit of both to be honest. the floor of 25% and a ceiling of 25%. about a quarter of the party in the reblican party that really likes the guy. if he says something to doom
him, doesn't matter. he doesn't build that base either. when you have a field of about 15 to 17 candidates, in the republican primary, 25% is very good. but as we move into the season, you go to iowa, you have candidates drop out after that and whittle down the field. >> you know, very few people compare donald trump to barack obama and i think that's for good reason. but i wonder if they both benefited to some degree early on from the notion of mood and style and a promise over specific policy. barack obama talked a lot about uniting the country and bipartisanship. they're themes. not specific policies. you listened to donald trump on saudi arabia. there wasn't a plan. there wasn't a foreign policy that i recognized. there was the idea that he will be quote/unquote tough and won't be shook down by the saudis same way and will get tough. let me play a little bit more of
that. >> the primary reason we're with saudi arabia is we need the oil. we don't need the oil as much. we could let everybody else fight it out. saudi arabia's going to be in big trouble pretty soon and need help. if you look at yemen and the border, that is one long border and they're not going in for yemen but for the oil and saudi arabia. saudi arabia's going to need help. like it or don't like it. people backed saudi arabia. what i really mind, though, is we back it at tremendous expense. >> it's really more of a diagnosis than a solution. everyone knows we have a complex relationship with the saudi kingdom. that runs through administrations of both parties. never does he say how he would change the conduct of that regime in any detail. >> sure. look. this is not a candidacy built on very firm position papers and to be fair to donald trump that's not true of candidacies. i'm not sure that barack obama
won because people like his health care plan than hillary clinton or john edwards's. he said i unveiled the immigration plan. i don't think voters care about it. that's his words. the press wanted it. if you look at his following, think like the fact they think he is a blunt talker. >> on the hillary clinton side, as we mentioned, there is a feeling and maybe not a truth, but a feeling that some of the soft rollout of her campaign left her listless that bernie sanders is gaining. is that because bernie sanders is so strong or is that because she's left a void and is this all overdone? you have worked for her on her last campaign and often faced questions no matter which way she did things. >> bernie sanders is tapping into a part of the party that's strong and real. he's doing a very good job. he's working it. going to events.
connecting with people. the speech of bernie sanders for a long time and now the zeitgeist caught up with him. if the margin of hillary clinton holds up, she is fine. can he grow and grow that? that remains to be seen. >> i want to put up his web side. he is, of course, a democratic socialist. he is an independent that caucuses with the democrats. you won't find that out by looking on the bio page of his campaign. it doesn't mention the word socialist or independent even though the independence clearly is part of his selling point. talk to us from your view as someone who worked on campaigns about that political line he's walking and if he becomes an actual threat to hillary clinton will he continue to sort of get away with that? >> i don't know if it's so due police tis. you are running on the democratic blalt. you don't want to confuse people saying you're independent.
you can't say he's a democrat. he's not a registered democrat at the moment. i think it's a matter of being smart. trying to the -- terrible analogy. trying to be the captain of the yankees you don't put the san diego padres on the promotional material, right? i told you it was terrible. you don't want to confuse people there. i don't think it's so nefarious. >> clinton does beat trump but she would lose in the head to head matchup to bush. can you read anything into that? >> you know, it's interesting. i'll say two things about that. one, it is very, very early. i'm old enough to remember when, you know, you had a bunch of examples before of people up by a ton, rudy giuliani. really early. important to remember you have to look at the state by state. the national stuff is a picture. in the primary and the general election what you want to do is well in the important states and the primary's -- clinton people looking at iowa and the general
election looking at the pivotal states, florida, ohio, right? overall popular vote as al gore can tell us, doesn't mean everything and if you're a tennis fan and win 6-love and then lose 7-6. you didn't win the set. it doesn't matter. same thing with this. it's not about popular vote. >> feels like espn. >> trying to mix it up a little bit. >> other big thing going on here, you mentioned al gore. rumblings of if he came in against hillary. biden more seriously discussed and some donors in the party see themselves as open to obama, hillary and biden are saying, hey, it's too late. let's stay cohesive. okay? do you think that joe biden needs to care about the time line that would constrict most candidates of getting in this late or he as the sitting vice president with a clear line to the obama legacy is above that? what do you think he'll do? >> i think he definitely is an
extraordinary, exceptional candidate. not just because of the clear legacy but raising money pretty quickly and a big reason why people get in early. he'll have that some of that. i don't think as much as he wants or needs. in terms of what he decides to do, i have no idea. we are hearing from sources this is serious. i know people in new york political sources and heard about this and they're clearly looking at this and taking it're sli. >> politics is interesting. the crowds makes joe biden think he won't be a party pooper. there's a quantum. 25%, 41% of the party? open besides hillary clinton. nice to see you. >> thanks. we'll take a quick break and then update you on a number of developing stories. the terror in thailand, a deadly bomb blast. who's behind it? we have an update for you.
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newsroom. were americans hurt and who do you think is responsible? >> reporter: right now it's early in the investigation. authorities don't know who did it. no one's claimed responsibility. we have a new death toll. it is up to 19 with more than 123 injured. and while many of those casualties are said to be tourists, none are thought to be americans. this happened outside a popular hin du temple. they did check out two other suspicious objects in the area. found not to be bombs. it was a scene of chaos with the dead and injured spread across a busy intersection. in the center of bangkok. police say it's too early to say whether the attacks were politically motivated or terrorism but they do say it was clear that the bombers intended to attack the economy and tourism because this occurred in the heart of bangkok's business district. back to you.
>> janet reporting overseas, thank you. the wildfire fight forcing new vaerevacuations. firefighters are not able to count the number of homes lost to the flames because it's still too dangerous to approach many of these disaster zones. leanne gregg is live in washington state with how changes stand at this hour. >> reporter: ari, the chelan complex fire grown to 56,000 acres, a thousand more than yesterday. dozens of structures destroyed including businesses and homes like this one. the man to owns this house said he and his wife driving up the road, saw it catch fire and watched the flames coming from the roof. today, the focus on saving structures. helicopters and fixed wing aircraft are joining in the fight along with national guard me believes. resources are strained because so many major fires are burning across the west. in idaho, montana, oregon, california.
officials say nearly every wildfire crew across the country has been assigned to one of the fires. it's expected to remain hot and dry throughout the week, not good news and there's good news of stable air. less wind. along with higher humidity. that's the latest from chelan, washington, back the you. >> thanks so you. hot temperatures are not helping the fight there and for the rest of the country, it's many of the same. did grow know, in fact, new york city hasn't seen a heat wave officially in nearly two years. that changed this afternoon and the big apple is not alone. alex wilson at world headquarters in atlanta, alex, when do we get a break? >> midweek. it is coming. relief is ahead. you will be able to give the ac a little bit of a break and the ice cream vendors loving it. 90 in new york. 93 for philly and down the road in d.c. and pittsburgh is in the
upper 80s. boston at 86. 89 up in bangor, maine. as you mentioned, everybody across the east feeling that heat. this is the set-up that we have got. high pressure offshore and so those winds out of the south bringing that warmer air northward. notice the jet stream up to the north allowing above average temperatures to really settle in. we're going to keep it tomorrow. look at highs tomorrow, 91 in burlington. 88 for new york city. even wednesday we're staying in the 80s. but closer to average so look at midweek. some changes coming. especially for new york city and d.c. it's still plenty warm up into new england, boston, burlington and rochester, new york, several degrees above. in new york, average high is 83 and where we will be for the second half of the week. got to get through tomorrow and then changes ahead. across the southwest, serious heat. we have dhang rous heat. you know where places in arizona and nevada and southern california under an excessive
heat weren'ting it is hot. we have gone into the white on the color scale for how hot. 109 in phoenix. 112 in palm springs. 106 in beastow. phoenix for three days not dropped below the 93-degree mark and stayed extremely hot in the days and during the nights, as well. so those places, unfortunately, ari, they keep the heat even into the middle of the week when the northeast gets a little bit of a break. >> what are you supposed to co? up over 110, hydrate extra? stay inside? what are they telling people? >> i mean, obviously, you want to take care of yourself. outdoor exercise not really recommended. hydrate. stay in the air conditioning. parts of the west people go there to do hiking and sightseeing. it is tough to even go look at the grand canyon. this is not one of those days especially as a tourist and
unexpeerchsed hiker, don't try to set out on one of those long walks. lots of water. if you have to work outside, hopefully not, breaks in the shade and the ac. and your elderly neighbors, the very young and of course animals, think about them, as well. >> absolutely. alex wilson reporting on the scorchers from atlanta, thank you so much. there is more to come as we continue including a look inside the so-called amazon jungle. "the new york times" publishing a huge expose that everybody's talking about today. labor prak tigss at amazon.com. the co-author of that report joining us next. first, a check of the markets. 40 minutes to the closing bell. keep it here to msnbc live.
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literally working themselves to exhaustion? a mother pressured to make a business trip the day after surgery for a miscarriage. now these may sound like labor abuses from a developing country but they're happening at one of america's most popular technology companies. amazon.com, online retailer, celebrated for efficiency and innovation is a subject of a blistering "the new york times" investigation making waves today. the paper interviewed over 100 current and former employees and found am do's conducted a little known experiment of how far to push white collar workers. the company, though, pushing back, the ceo who built the $30 billion fortune creating amazon countering this report saying he doesn't recognize the amazon described in the piece and adding, quote, anyone working in a company that really is like the one described in the nyt would be crazy to stay. i know i would leave such a
company, he said. joining us now is the co-author of that "the times" piece, david streitfeld. what did you find in this investigation? >> we found that amazon is a very intense place to work. the boxes, stuff you order, it appears on your doorstep as if by magic but behind the magic there are people working very hard, very intensely to get you that stuff. and we interviewed a lot of them, people who do it now, people who did it in the past. and some of them said it was thrilling to work there. many of them said it was exhausting to work there. >> you say exhausting or working hard. plenty of americans work hard and are exhausted at the end of the day but specifically you also, in the example i mentioned, a woman working or feeling pressured after the
miscarriage, the ambulance example, that's beyond just walking hard, doesn't it? >> that is why i think the story attracted a lot of attention, a lot of readers. with technology these days, you no longer have to leave your work behind when you leave for the day. you can work at night. you can wake up in the middle of the night and work. you can work on saturdays. you can work on saturdays and it's hard to know what the line should be when you should stop working. and amazon, there is for many people a culture where they want to keep working and they feel they have to keep working. and when you're 30, perhaps single, you can do that. people run into trouble when they're 40, 45, they have a family. you know? is it worthwhile trade-off to advance in the career and rarely see your children? that's why i think it touched a nerve. >> and with jeff bezos saying he
wouldn't want to work there. >> i'm not so sure he said we got it wrong. he didn't really challenge that much. he said i hope you don't recognize the portrait of amazon in this story. he said i don't recognize it. which, you know, he is the ceo. i'm sure, you know, what the ceo sees is different than what ordinary people work there see. and he said i hope you don't think this is the company that we have here. >> i have to push you on that. you almost are -- you have an incredible piece of reporting here. i would disagree slightly. he says anyone working in a company like that described in "the new york times" would be crazy to stay. i would leave such a company. so referring to your description of a place where labor is under dure duress, he is calling that into question and saying you got that wrong to a degree. >> people do leave amazon.
they come to the realization they can't stay there anymore. they can't produce or maybe amazon decides they don't want them anymore. and they are called out and so they leave. and, you know, he is merely pointing out what the reality of amazon is. >> yeah. you talk about that reality. i want to read from a different report from vice quoting a former amazon employee. you mentioned some left over this kind of thing. quote, i regularly saw people bring their laptops into the bathroom and write code. i heard people take phone calls while mid business. the idea there was no room for a break, not even literally a bathroom break. was that something you found in your reporting and is that over the line for a job at a top company with plenty of money? >> these were people in amazon working in the bathroom? >> that's correct. >> i can't say i researched the
bathroom angle. i'm going to have to look that vice report up. but clearly, you know, this is, again, the thing that sparks such interest in the story. just because you can work in the bathroom, whether at amazon or anyone else, should you be working in the bathroom? should your boss be demanding that you need to do something so quickly you have to fin initial it in the bathroom? i think that's a question that touches a lot of people. >> and you also in your reporting discuss mr. bezos' view of the competition, the idea that some orr technology companies with the perks they offer basic things like a nice campus or food at work that that was like a country club and he didn't want to be like that. more broadly, give us your perspective of amazon with other companies with pressure to compete and innovate. >> that's an interesting question. amazon in some ways thinks of
itself and some ways is a technology company. it hires a lot of software engineers and it does things through technology. but the self image of the company is less that it is like google and more that it is a retailer. and in the retail business, the grocery store business, traditionally, margins are very thin and there are not, you know, swimming pools for the employees and lots of smack bars. people work hard and the rewards are relatively slender. and amazon thinks of itself as being among those. >> when you say margins are thin, you mean it's hard to make money driving down costs for consumers? >> right. and in the grocery business, i always remember reading, i mean, the margin, the profit margin is 1%. amazon does not make a lot of money. some quarters it doesn't make
any money at all and google, apple, they're fountains of money. and so, they can afford to lavish some of it on the employees. amazon literally doesn't have that money and also seems to feel more generally that if it coddles its employees as the story suggests they'll go home at 5:00 or they're going to think, well, i don't have to work too hard today and then it would not be the amazon that it has grown to be and done the things that people like so much. >> well, you have certainly done a measured and judicious job on the facts and the facts have people talking and some people outraged. david, thank you so much for your time. >> thanks a lot. all right. as we hit the half hour mark, we have more news for you. stay with us. we have new intelligence of isis and alleged use of chemical weapons in the middle east. plus, a new plane crash in the far east and a race against
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union. the board refused to take up the case. most college football programs are public state schools. now the update to the mideast and isis escalating this attacks this time reportedly with chemical weapons. officials say isis used mustard gas in syria and iraq. richard engel is in turkey with the details. >> reporter: u.s. officials tell nbc news they now believe isis used mustard gas, a banned chemical weapon, twice in recent weeks. in both iraq and syria. the most recent attack in northern iraq against kurdish forces, a top official tells nbc news projectiles were fired from isis-controlled territory. no kurdish fighters were killed but several suffered difficulty
breathing, vomiting and burns. >> they have crossed many red lines already and they're one of the most ruthless and dangerous terror groups that any of us have ever imagined. >> reporter: 27 years ago, saddam hussein murdered 5,000 kurds with mustard gas and other chemical weapons. this time, they're allegedly victims of terrorists. >> thank you for that. for more on this, we go to senior naval analyst at the institute of the study of war. good to see you. we're hearing about two types of chemical weapons potentially being used here. >> the first instance, isis used chlorine gas. it is banned under the chemical weapons ban. it's schedule 3 and available in significant industrial sized quantities. almost impossible to control the
proliferation of this. i don't want to underestimate the danger of the gas, it is not a nerve agent. it is not something like vx gas or others so that the danger posed is faired limited. the interesting or frightening development here is two fold. first, this is the first instance where we have validation that isis used mustard gas and harder to compound than chlorine gas. got a longer life. it causes more casualties. and it's the first time weaponized it on a rocket. previously they used chlorine gas for car bombs, suicide vests. it dissipates rapidly and difficult for an effective chemical weapon. in contrast, mustard gas is much more persistent staying around 12 to 24 hours and cause casualties long after it's been used and isis is extending the reach and the chemical weapons they're using. this is a significant development on the negative
trend. >> chris, where do experts think they got the material? >> well, there's really three places. saddam hussein did have some limited quantities of chemical weapons in the invasion of 2003. it's possible that isis, you know, obtained some of the stockpiles and possible out of territory they conquered from the assad regime in syria. it's possible they have compounded it themselves. if you take a western-trained chemist with a modern laboratory, it is not that difficult to compound. germans using industrial quantities 100 years ago in world war i. chemically, this isn't that difficult to do so. so my real fear is they have developed and or imported the technology to compound mustard gas themselves and pretty easy once they have reached that state to just put it on a rocket and send it down range. this is going to be a very difficult problem for us to deal
with given that our strategy to have the kurds, the iraqi security forces and possibly the turks take the lead of isis. the they're tossing chemical weapons we have to enable to them to counter that problem. >> certainly. and it goes again to the problem of thinking about what any kind of ground game looks like and the fact that so-called allies in the region don't want to be at war with isis and some folks don't blame them or to be leading that charge. there a es a lot of countries stepping over we heard the son of john kerry there, the red line and syria using chemical weapons, it would be a big deal. i don't think anyone thinks that about isis because they're already such a reviled outlaw terrorist entity. they consider themselves a state. many people argue that. for an entity violating the geneva conventions, excuting individuals, violating all of
the standards of decency we might have and those in law, does that in and of itself in your view add to the list? matter or so far gone this is another human rights abuse? >> that's a great point. they're barbarians. this is just the latest string of evidence in their ehud barba. the real significant battlefield development in my mind is this is an excellent area denial weapon for isis to have. it's much more difficult to expect the kurds or the turks or the sunni tribals or the iraqi security forces, the five general allies we have in the area, none of them are anxious to take the lead on invading isis-held territories and makes it much easier for isis to defend the territory they have. they don't have a lot of weap weaponized individuals supporting them. maybe 25,000 total trained
soldiers. they have a lot of territory to defend. a very relatively small number of men to defend it. by using chemical weapons, they can take on a much bigger force and difficult for us now to regain the territory from isis and turn it back to the iraqi security forces. >> talk about the progress of the air campaign that is going on. the u.s. having access to turkish bases cutting down the travel time. administration officials saying, look, they have a plan they're executing over time. they're hitting targets. you have to hit the right ones and then you have the ongoing republican debate and candidates saying they're going to be tougher, bigger, harsher. can you walk us through what the air campaign is achieving and if it is true and some republican candidates have suggested that there is a lot more to do short of ground troops, tougher things
that the administration isn't doing yet? >> an advantage of my job is i don't do political analysis. i do strategic analysis. moving aircraft into turkey, that cuts down on the transit time. it cuts down on the reaction time. that's a positive development in terms of ability to strike on the ground. in terms of the ability of the united states to do more against isis, there isn't a lot there. the one thing we could do if we wanted to make our air strikes more effective is put u.s. special operation s forces on ground. the problem is we're depending on the allies in the area, the kurdi isish pashmerga -- >> let me interrupt you. you're saying americans not to win a ground war but to do better target identification than from the allies throughout? >> absolutely. thank you for clarifying that comment. what i mean by that is we don't need to put tens of thousands of
troops on the ground to significantly increase pressure on isis. several hundred or thousand special operations forces trained in how to actively employ air power. it's not that the money unwilling or uncapable. they're language barriers and that are difficult to overcome. a lot of times i worked with british, australian, new zealander troops. even with their accent, it was sometimes difficult to understand on the radio what they were asking me to do. it's almost impossible for u.s. pilots to work with people speaking a foreign language or english as a second language. in the fog of combat, the friction of combat, it is much more difficult. i don't believe we need tens of thousands of troops in. but if we want to destroy isis, then somebody has to take the lead on the ground of supplying
that special operations expertise that calls in targeted air strikes. when we're hitting buildings or bridges, this's easy. hitting mobile fighters like isis, that's difficult. you have to have special operations forces in there. >> complex parts to this. chris, we appreciate you putting it into context for us. >> thank you for your time. news of our own here at msnbc. this is about next month's global citizen festival rkt right here in new york's central park. it's a pretty special gathering, a chance to see beyonce, coldplay, all live and if you're in the new york city area today, you can join us on a snapchat journey, that's what the kids are calling it. through the city for a chance to win tickets. snapchallenge is already under way. follow on snapchat to get started. they have all the details and explanations and wish you luck with that. we'll be right back. [ school bell rings ]
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indulge. really, a requirement of getting through with iowa voters. we have seen it for days now. i'm on day five here and today we have already seen scott walker, governor of the neighboring state wisconsin, carly fiorina, former hewlett-packard ceo and seen them sampling, walking the wuk and having a throng of media in tow. i was able to talk to scott walker and talk about immigration, the effect of donald trump on him and the field. here's what we talked about. >> i point out to people, i actually took on not just unions and democrats, i took on even my own party and challenged them for many of the status quo defenders that didn't want to do the kind of big, bold reforms you did. >> reporter: how do you make yourself look like not a politician in this environment when you've been in public service? >> well, it is not about the job you've held. it's what you've done in that
job that matters. i think they want someone to shake things up in washington. people aren't familiar with our record in wisconsin. they say here's a guy that fought and won. got results. did it without compromising our common sense conservative principles. >> reporter: he was really leading here and still in many ways expected to do very well in iowa. that's a bit of a change saying that the trump movement lifting trump and others is real and walker's saying he's listening to the anger, hearing from voters. ari? >> yeah. as you know from the reporting, all of the fair is a chance to do the face to face, the retail politicking and not just at a distance or the debate stuff we have seen recently. i understand you also caught up with carly fiorina out there. what did you find?
>> reporter: well, she did the fair in a way that i think was a lot of fun to watch. she went to one of the booths here and she was shucking corn. the iowa sweet corn. helping prepare one of the sample dishes that is so popular here. and of course, we also talked to her about the heated issues of the day and she tells me that donald trump has got some of the ideas right coming to immigration. she agrees with him on certain things like using e-verify, deporting criminals undocumented and she says things like the issue of a wall paid for by mexico, that's a trump idea, she says the united states has to be responsible for its own border, its own sovereignty and differs with him on the issue of birthright citizenship. someone herecitizenship. if someone is here illegally, has a child, that child has citizenship. changing that, she says you have to look to the constitution. that is where it is at. she acknowledge it is trump
fervor and also is carving her own path and had some fun and tasted all of the wares here as well. >> great to see you. >> good to see you. >> we've got trump actually. i want to go to this live. this is donald trump walking back out of the courthouse. this is a story of some great tremendous political interest national today. as well as a huge story in new york city. live footage of trump there exiting, e escorted by what looks like private security, as well as an officer of the court there. we know from earlier today he was within a few minutes of start time. went in there, i'm sure he'll take this opportunity to speak to the press as he's been doing throughout the day. in and out of the courtroom. so there you have it. donald trump in and out of his jury duty. just another day on the trump campaign. now another important story. bernie sanders taking the iowa fair soap box as well this
weekend and he tackled a topic republicans largely avoided. >> the debate is over. climate change is real. climate change is caused by human activity. climate change is already causing devastating problems in our country and around the world. >> i want to go right to nina burly to talk about this. you just wrote an article all about science in 2016. that was bernie sanders there talking a little bit about it. you look specifically at a big idea that hasn't happened yet. but a lot of people think would be a good thing for our politics. put aside the noise, the drama, the trump and have a debate devoted to science. explain your reporting. >> well a couple of years -- in 2008 some people got together including charles darwin's great great grandson and some noble
laureates and some industry leaders and scientists. stravmt and they started to call for a presidential science debate to be held in in addition to the debit on foreign policy and on domestic policy. and in 2008 they asked obama and they asked mccain. and the candidates, instead of responding went to church venues and discussed spiritual -- had spiritual debates, two of them. so they again tried in 2012 and they are trying again this year. they have organize at venue. and they have the national geographic channel apparently willing to broadcast it. and the idea is simply that there are so many issues that effect us in our daily lives, not just the issue of climate change. but so many issues in american
politics like planned parenthood fund, when life begins, fetal tissue, gmo, vaccinations. >> yeah and let me jump in to say part -- let me jump in to say one of the points you make in the article is that a lot of the folks who interview the candidates don't otherwise brings these up. out of 171 interviews and 3,000 questions there were only six last cycle about the global warming science it. doesn't seem like the issues come up any other way. >> right. and it is -- we in the media bear some of the blame for that. and it is probably because so many of us didn't pass high school chemistry or take high school -- go beyond biology and chemistry in high school. we don't ask the questions. but the idea is to have a debate, have people come forward and devote one full 90 minutes to having the candidates come on and talk about these issues. and as one of the people who is
calling for this has said, it isn't necessary for the candidates to say we believe that global warming is happening. because of course 21% of republicans, republican voters say that it is not man caused. whereas 87% of scientists think that it is man caused. so you are not going to ask them whether they -- we are going to ask them -- the debate moderators would ask them about whether or not they -- >> right. >> you know, where are they getting their information, who are they listening to and what kind of -- what kind of policy -- what kind of policy would they -- would they promulgate based on who they are listening to. >> absolutely. and the article makes the point we could use a little less recess and a little more science in our 2016 class. that's it for the hour. i'm ari melber from new york. you can find me on facebook. our coverage continues with aman
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