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polling. now donald trump is achieving the most glaring sign that his campaign is rattling republicans. he is drawing attacks from jeb bush today. >> there's a big difference between donald trump and me. i'm a proven conservative with a record. he isn't. i cut taxes every year. he's proposed the largest tax increase in mankind's history. i've been consistently pro-life. he until recently was partial birth abortion. i never met a person that actually thought that that was a good idea. i believe we need to reform our health care system to stop the suppression of wages and allow people to have access to insurance. he's for a single payer system. >> that's a new jeb bush there. for his part, trump took his own shots last night at bush's crowds during those dualing town hall events in new hampshire. >> you know what's happening to jeb's crowd right down the
street? they're sleeping. so bush had i heard, 140, 150 people. we have 2,579 people. oh, my group. these are my people. these are my people. >> and the trump campaign is moving his rally tomorrow in alabama to a 40,000 seat football stadium. they're saying 26,000 supporters have already rsvp'ed. he's now saying that the u.s. should end the constitutional rule that people born in america are americans. >> number one, the 14th amendment is very questionable as to whether or not somebody can come over, have a baby, and immediately that baby is a citizen. >> the court -- this is a minority legal opinion you're talking about. >> there are many people that totally feel -- >> want it that way. >> amending is too big a deal.
i'd be in my second term on my ait year. >> takes a long time. especially on a very divisive issue. >> i believe you can win it legally. >> trump argues he could get this rule changed in court. the supreme court has already ruled that children of undocumented immigrants are clearly citizens under the 14th amendment. the case is over 100 years old. as for the politics, some republicans are worried that trump's radical position here could hurt the party with hispanic voters. nbc's first read notes jeb bush is being drawn into the quagmire after referring to these children as quote, anchor babies. >> pregnant women are coming in to have babies simply because they can do it, then there ought to be greater enforcement. so that you don't have these,
you know, anchor babies, as they're described, coming into the country. >> today in new hampshire, bush tried to clarify his position. >> enforcing the rule of law will solve the 14th amendment issue. p if people are here legally, they have a visa and they have a child who's born here, i think that they ought to be american citizens. marco rubio, by the way, that's how he came. to suggest we make it impossible for a talented person like that not to be a candidate for president, oriented cruise? i think we're getting a little overboard here. we're listening to the emotion rather than to the reality of this. >> we begin in washington with nbc's kelly oh donald taking a few days off the campaign trail, but not any time off from us thank goodness. i want to look at this with jeb bush here on the offense. do you think he actually sees
trump now as a threat to winning the nomination? >> reporter: having just spoken with jeb bush in iowa and some of the other top candidates as well, i think there is a real perceptible shift among other candidates who for a long time the political advice would have been to ignore this summer surging candidate and play your own game. donald trump has so rewritten the rules of the moment and is appealing to voters that would otherwise be giving a serious look to some of these more traditional candidates that we're seeing a real sharp turn from jeb bush today. when i interviewed him just days ago, he said if it's about appealing to anger inkxz4 voter then maybe he wasn't going to win. today, we see him really taking trump on. not just on the shiny object issues but on substance saying trump has had ideas and views more in line with the democratic party over time then what jeb bush is always trying to argue
that he has a conservative record of accomplishment from his days as florida governor and trying to make that appeal. this is different. when it comes to the issue on f the term anchor babies, he's questioned very heavily about it today. what's interesting about this he's saying it's not my word, but tell me another word to use that describes a person not documented to be in the united states coming to the u.s. with the express purpose of having a child and becomes a citizen and by extension may be able to bring the family order. that animates many conservatives. to use that term in a conservative radio interview would have a different resonance than used much more broadly in the political landscape. everything said kind of belongs to the whole political landscape. so he did not back off of that today saying it's not his term but his sort of impassioned, feisty moment was, what's a better term. hillary clinton and others are
saying it's simply babies or children or u.s. citizens. not a term that many, especially in the progressive community, find particularly offensive. >> certainly a term some have called a der rye sieve money. for more we go to the senior congressional correspondent. you look at this. you hear what kelly was saying. two things there, one a certainly more assertive tone both taking on trump but treating him seriously and second a very direct reference, jeb bush saying let me reference other people in this primary against trump. mentioning cruz and rubio. is he trying to sort of circle the wagons? >> i think he's trying to stop being a punching bag. even though you don't want to acknowledge people who shouldn't be a threat long term, nobody likes a punching bag.
they want to see passion and fight. >> when you look at the larger context, president obama won reelection with 71% of the hispanic vote. this conversation does not seem to be the kind of thing that would put a dent in that. >> it's a loser. the republican party this week could be talking about an iran deal that most of the public according to polls doesn't really like. they could be talking about new planned parenthood videos. some of these videos really unite the party and it's a case that the republican party could make. instead, they're talking about ending birthright citizenship. if it becomes a part of a lexicon in a general election, they really put their hopes at risk. look at nevada, colorado, virginia, florida. this is a big problem. they don't need to be talking about this. they could be talking about
enforcement and trying to streamline legal immigration. this is ridiculous if you're looking at the politics of this. >> donald trump's not only leading in the polls, but clearly shaping what the debate is now for a lot of the republicans. i want to play him on morning joe today talking about how he gets his advice. >> i actually think it's a very good answer because i'll see certain people i like, i'll see certain people that i don't like, i'm taking it to the next step. some of the people i do like and respect are actually coming up to the office over the next few weeks and we're going to be talking about things such as defense and military and isis et cetera. >> as to his foreign policy and military advisors, he says he watches different news shows to get them. voters can relate to that. that means anyone can get advice from what they're finding out in public. he also mentioned colonel jack
jacobs. >> have you spoken to him? >> no, he hasn't. it's gratifying however to know that he watches msnbc. i think he was trying to find some names that resonated with the -- with -- on "meet the press" and he picked mine. this is also the primary season. and the large majority of people don't get their information in a coherent kind of way. they get it from places like telephones and so on. it's not -- it's early on and people -- a lot of people get their information from television. >> here's the issue. colonel jacobs along with military veterans and experts are good sources. if you're serious about being commander in chief, why wouldn't you want to confer with them? >> well, i don't know. i haven't asked him.
but look, i think what trump has done and it's worked for him so far is to kind of run a different kind of campaign. seat of your pants, this is what i think, i'm not apologize were fg anything. i do think if trump wants to win long term beyond who his advisors are, he has to develop a coherent value system for foreign policy. what you'll hear from him right now are things that don't go together. on one hand he hates the iran deal. on the other hand, we're just going to leave it alone and i'll just be good on enforcement. there's things he has to learn there. >> you think -- >> whatever they want to do in the south china sea and it's 20 hours away -- >> do you think he knows what the iaea is? >> i don't know. i don't think that's the point. the point is, what is his value system. his foreign policy most mirrors
rand paul. rand paul's foreign policy has caused rand paul a problem. donald trump's a celebrity. they've taken to his illegal immigration message. any other republican running in the field with his history and views given how worried republicans are about electing somebody who doesn't keep their word, they would be laughed out of the race. but they overlook it because it's the donald. but it wouldn't work for anybody else. >> right. his attitude is a tough one. protection from being a rino. thanks for your time. >> thanks. also making news this hour, former president jimmy carter revealing new details about his cancer diagnosis. and western wildfires claim the lives of people fighting them. danny now is the atlantic's first hurricane this year. where is it heading next? the weather channel is tracking that for us live. stay with us.
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former president jimmy carter made a difficult announcement late this morning that cancer has spread to his brain. >> they did an mri and found there were four spots of melanoma on my brain. i'll get my first radiation treatment this afternoon. and then i understand i'll have four treatments scheduled at three-week intervals. >> we're in atlanta where president carter is receiving his treatment. sarah, this was something that a
lot of americans care deeply about. we saw a candid, at times even humorous jimmy carter this morning. >> reporter: his attitude is really summed up best in the advice he had for other cancer patients. hope for the best and accept what comes. during the 40-minute press conference, the former president cracked jokes, but also laid out candidly the details of his illness and treatment. doctors removed about a tenth of his liver in a surgery earlier this month. it was the subsequent scans after the surgery that showed the four spots of melanoma in his brain. he wasted no time after this press conference today. he will also be taking a drug that activates his immune system to fight cancer cells. he says he will be slowing his work here at the carter center, but he does plan to remain active. he also hopes to go on a planned
humanitarian mission to nepal a little later this year, but he says his treatment might interfere with that. he might need to back out. as for the future, carter says he is at ease and knows he's had a good life. >> our thoughts and prayers are with president carter and his family. also tragic new details emerging today from those massive wildfires out west. three ft.s have now died overtaken by those flames and four of their colleagues also hurt. meantime, the winds are whipping up. a dangerous combination for crews frantically trying to get all of these fires under control. there are about 100 blazes burns right now. leanne greg is at one of them. set the scene for us. >> reporter: well, right now, the winds are beginning to pick up. that's the big concern for today. yesterday, they said was bad.
but today those sustained winds could get up to 40 to 45 miles per hour and that creates situations which make the fire like a torch barrelling down the canyon. the governor held a news conference that ended a couple minutes ago along with some u.s. forest service officials where he talked about the firefighters and those who lost their lives yesterday calling them heros for protecting small towns. he said that 7 million in washington are now embracing them. and here's what he had to say about the fires. >> this is an unprecedented cataclysm in our state. last year was bad with 250,000 acres. we have 26 aerial equipment fighting this fire. over 3,000 people. we are mustering all of the resources that can be safely deployed to fight these fires.
>> reporter: it was a deadly fire. started at about 50 acres. today, that fire is almost 8,000 acres large. they're attacking it. trying to contain some lines. they're in the air also assaulting it. trying to get as much work done as possible until the wind makes it undoable and unsafe. >> leanne greg, covering a difficult situation out west. >> this is traditionally also the height of hurricane season. mother nature is holding true to form. the first named atlantic hurricane of 2015 is danny and he is packing a punch. we're going to go down to weather channel headquarters in atlanta. dave schwartz following the track. where is the storm headed? >> well, the storm is headed our way, but it's got quite an obstacle course. let's take a look at hurricane danny. these are the latest data. 75-mile-per-hour winds. the pressure 992, meaning it's
strengthened today. if it keeps on that track, it will reach the united states in about a week and a half. i wouldn't bet a nickel that that's going to happen, at least at this point. this thing is so small, like a premature baby for example, it needs intensive sar. this eye is less than 10 miles wide and the hurricane force winds only go out about 10 miles. so it's very small, therefore very susceptible to things like high wind shear, cool water temperatures, dry air. well, it's the dry air and the wind shear that are going to become factors. now, here's the forecast as far as our computer models go and they all take it to the northeast caribbean by, say, sunday evening. and then monday and monday night toward the virgin islands,
puerto rico. but that's a long way for this one. this would weaken to a tropical depression by the time it get there is and not be a player at all. right now, the forecast generally from the national hurricane center and the weather channel is steady state for this thing, to remain a minimal hurricane, maybe even weaken. and this is the track. once again, it would be late sunday for the northeast caribbean islands. and then into puerto rico and the virgin islands, that would be late on monday. what will be left of it? that is the big question. there's another area to watch off the east coast right now. it's not tropical and also not moving. so we have hurricane danny, the first hurricane of the season. who it will impact, how strong will it be? anybody got a quarter we can flip? that's the latest from here. back to you. >> all right. dave schwartz, thank you for that. we've got new developments today in the new york prison
break. the surviving escapee, david sweat, was in court this morning. he pled not guilty. he could even face a new trial. we are outside the court. adam, you have been on this story a long time, a lot of ups and downs. sweat already serving a life sentence. so what is the goal here from the prosecutor's perspective. >> reporter: exactly right. what's the point. why spend the money? he's already serving life without parole. the district attorney says one day david sweat in his cell, the next day he's gone. that's a crime and he has to pay for it. so he is going to charge him. whether or not david sweat wants to plead guilty and avoid the process of a trial, avoid spending taxpayer's money, we just don't know at this point. >> adam reece in upstate new york. thank you for that. straight ahead, dramatic new testimony by the accuser in that
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to some legal stories. oscar pistorius release from prison has been put on hold. he's incarcerated for killing his girlfriend in 2013. emotional testimony today in the rape trial of an elite new hampshire prep school. >> throughout your explanations to the prosecutor about why you said or did or did not do or did not say things, it was because you were cloudy or confused. were you already being cloudy and confused the day before you got together with owen? >> no. >> why were you cloudy?
>> i was violated in so many ways. of course i was traumatized. >> a difficult day in court there. today, another witness, a nurse who examined that accuser you just heard and we are disguising the voice, this person testified that that young woman told her the encounter was consensual. we bring in keith sullivan and former prosecutor karen desoto. this is difficult, but of course important as the nation has looked a lot more deeply of how reports of sexual assault are processed and ultimately charged when they are. tell us about the prosecution's case here. >> the case is really based on
the testimony of aaccuser. however, this isn't even ten or 15 years ago when an accuser got the benefit of the doubt. there's been lots of rape cases in the news. we've had super stars and even had bill cosby accused. now when you hear a woman accusing somebody of rape, people start to ask questions. now we see here across examination and a slow methodical strategy to try and get to the truth of the matter. >> looking at this from the defense perspective, as karen was saying, we know some of the key testimony here. you have an accuser as we just heard explaining what she says happened to her. yet as i mentioned, a nurse reflecting that what she was told was that this was consensual intercourse. >> this case is going to come down to credibility on both sides.
the defense has stated to the jury that the defendant will testify and he's going to tell his whole story. >> how unusual is that? >> extremely rare. you have a kid who is 18 that doesn't -- >> 18 at the time, but 19 now. >> the traditional collateral acts of criminal conduct, things of that nature, seem to be out when you're dealing with this kid. they've really watered him down. >> what do you mean watered him down? >> harry potter is sitting in the courtroom. the prosecutor addressed it yesterday in the opening. you're going to look at him and think, how could he do this. he sits there with the glasses. he looks kind of nerdy. big contrast between the two. >> another key piece here that as you mentioned decades ago that is somewhat different, there's extensive internet communication between these two. how does that work for a jury that may not be versed in how
younger people are communicating? >> there's not a case i've had in ten years that doesn't have texts, facebook posts, all kinds of electronic digital stuff. it is very impactful. kids are not picking up the phone and talking, they're texting. those texts always wind up in court. that gives us insight into what they were thinking at the time and also during the incident. here, the prosecution has a problem because it appears that the accuser and the defendant were going back and forth. what is a jury going to think? why are they going back and forth? why is she even texting him back if she was raped? now you now have to explain away all of these pieces of evidence. >> keith, how would you use those facebook messages? after the alleged incident, you have her responding positively saying nice things to him. the prosecution is saying, look, that was under duress, she was
afraid about what happened to her. >> she calls him an angel. she says i love you. she says that's good. >> why text back at all. >> she asks him, did you use a condom. what's interesting, the independent evidence doesn't really support either one of their versions. he said to the police, i put the condom on and i had a divine intervention and i stopped. that too is a little questionable. >> he's going to have to answer for that. when he takes the stand, if he lied, he's now going to have a tell a jury, guess what, i lied. and of course you're going to try to explain that away, say i was young and didn't have an attorney with me and i didn't know what i was saying. this is what happens. it's usually a he said, she said. no one wants to believe ever that a woman would lie about such things. we've had cases where people lie. that is rare.
but it does happen. >> a lot of people were talking about jared fogle agreeing to plead guilty to sex crimes, child pornography charges. what do you make of this case? >> horrific. what's horrific about this case is that there's 14 alleged victims here. he's only pleading to two counts. partly, you want to say what's going on here? why is he only starting at five years up to 12 1/2 years. and this is federal time, not state time. when you have a client in a federal case, they're doing the full amount of time. there's no good time like you do in state court. so these are very serious charges. for the serious charges, you'd think he'd be facing a lot more. >> he has been given a phenomenal deal. they negotiated superbly on this, his defense attorneys. it's because they don't want to
revictimize the child. >> and because they're so young. >> so young and so traumatic for them. >> and there could be lots of other people making arrangements in this case. >> he got too good of a deal. >> we appreciate your expertise today. here's what else we are following right now. hillary clinton still not escaping the controversy surrounding her e-mails. but are her critics targeting her for the wrong reason? we're also getting new details about the graek bailout. and the story that has a lot of people saying it is time for a change for a fake form of pot that has some very real consequences. (vo) maggie wasn't thrilled when ben and i got married.
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ministerial election tsipras will resign next month. and july was the hottest month ever recorded. think about that. average temperature was about 62 degrees. that might not seem hot, considering that it is winter on many parts of the globe. one city recorded a high of 115 and said it felt like 165 degrees there. meanwhile, the federal review of hillary clinton's e-mail and personal se ver goes on. >> what she did is probably criminal. i think almost -- you could say almost certainly criminal. and it looks to me like she's not going to be prosecuted. that's only because the prosecutors are democrats. >> clinton maintaining she didn't send or receive anything designated or classified. also arguing that government has been classifying material that
isn't actually sensitive in the first place. a new op said, former justice department official saying that the full notion of information now considered classified, make it nearly impossible for officials to operate. end quote. that was written by matt miller, a former aide to attorney general eric holder. here's here now. your argument here is what? that if hillary clinton did traffic in classified information it's actually the government's fault? >> when you look at the e-mails we've seen already, the state department has come out and said none of them were marked classified at the time. the few e-mails that have been released, some of them were affirmatively marked unclassified. so you now have the intelligence community coming in and saying some of these are classified,
the state department continues to say they are not. it's the run of the mill debate that goes on between different parts of the government. if you were to now look at this as somehow possibly a criminal matter, you'd have to look at a criminal investigation for just about every senior official in government. that's obviously something that the department of justice isn't going to do. >> how would you describe the current investigation? you hear donald trump say as a matter of his assertion that this is criminal. as a legal matter of course there is no indication from fbi or elsewhere that hillary clinton's any kind of criminal target? >> right. i think what's happening right now is the department of justice needed to secure the server to make sure there was no chance that they could be compromised by foreign governments or others. now they're going to look through those and make sure they haven't been compromised in the past. beyond that, there is no reason to go forward. there's no predicate here to indicate that there was possible
criminal behavior which is something the department typically looks for before it starts investigations. hillary clinton shouldn't get any preferential treatment, but she shouldn't be treated worse than any other government employee either. you could apply to any senior official if you were to look through all their e-mails after the fact and try to make these judgments. to widen this into a full criminal investigation would really be a failure on behalf of the leadership of the department of justice. >> a lot of folks would say the opposite, not that hillary clinton should get it tougher as you said. but rather that she seemed to have an exception to rules that otherwise have been enforced very strictly including by your old boss attorney general holder. let me play a clip where he talked about these leak investigations. >> we have prosecuted five cases here in the justice department,
but it is not a function of us coming up with a policy where we're going to get tough on leaks. it really is a reaction to the increased number of referrals we've had and a determination made that these cases are in fact serious. >> no one is accusing hillary clinton or aides of leaking information outside of government information. what do you say to the argument of critics that other people have been pursued aggressively and this is an administration that does take its secrecy very seriously and then some to have some sort of lacks program at state? >> i think the distinction you pointed out is the important one. there is a difference between somebody taking classified information, leaked that intentionally to someone who's not authorized to have that and potentially put the national security of the united states in danger. there's a difference between that and something that happens every day inside the government which is e-mails sent on unclassified systems which the
intelligence community or other agencies would later argue are classified. there's a big difference between trying to leak information and handling information that bureaucrats inside the government argue later over the proper classification. the two really aren't similar at all. >> bureaucrats arguing, that's something everyone can relate to. another interesting part of your piece was you describing your frustration from your experience working in government trying to tell stories and trying to describe it regarding a certain federal program. even though the information you wanted to use was public you weren't allowed to release it. >> what i got into the piece was a time i was writing a press release about a lawsuit filed by the father of anwar allahky. one came to me and said this
press release that you circulated over unclassified e-mail systems contains classified information. you need to destroy all of these copies of the press release, anything you've written, and you can potentially be reported. i pointed out that in each instance i had drawn the same information from unclassified sources, pointed this particular attorney to those sources. while there may be classified pieces of information that are similar to this, you can find the same things from unclassified sources. and that happens all the time. you have people inside the intelligence community who have something they've picked up through methods and believe it's classified. and so there are two often multiple ways to draw the same information and you will have the intelligence community argue that it's classified.
others will point at that is absurd. i would bet that's what's happening in a lot of cases with these e-mails being looked at right now. >> you are bumping up against another basically public servant. is that a problem of attitude or is that a problem of policies and the rules around classification in your view? >> it's a problem of both. the policies are very unclear. they're very mixed. it's also a problem of people that work in different parts of the government have different motivations. if you work in the intelligence community, your entire world is classified in many instances. you work often in these so-called secure come part mentalized information facilities built to withstand eavesdropping. when other people in the government who deal both with classified information and with reporters, members of the public, members of other governments, you have to navigate this world in which some of the information you deal
with is classified, some of it is not. sometimes there's a gray area in between where things can be both classified and then also drawn from unclassified sources. >> all right. matthew miller, former doj official. up next, imagine a drug as dangerous as crack except its legal. 3 million lines of code, 40,000 sets of eyes, or a million sleepless nights. whether it's building the world's most advanced satellite, the space station, or the next leap in unmanned systems. at boeing, one thing never changes. our passion to make it real. ♪
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marijuana, far more damaging than traditional pot. the fake weed has sent 160 people to hospitals in a little over a week. statewide, it led to 1,900 er visits. worse yet, the drug is cheap, easy to get at your gas station and gives the opposite of what some would call a mellow high. now a group of top prosecutors calling for gas stations to stop selling any synthetic drugs. joining us is one of those prosecutors. good day to you. >> good afternoon. how are you? >> i'm well. this is an interesting story and one that not everyone is caught up with. how is synthetic pot different, why is it dangerous? >> well, it's fundamentally very different from marijuana. in that regard, i'm going to refer to synthetic drugs today, not even synthetic pot.
what you should know is that the synthetic compounds are chemicals. they are unpredictable. they cause violent, volatile reactions in reactions in consumers and on whiftentimey result in violence to innocent by standers. >> you talk about the threat to bystanders and then the users. this is a young man connor eckert who fell into a coma and died at the age of 19. his family spoke to the "today" show about all this. let's listen to that. >> we want people to know how dangerous this is. this is not a game. it is totally real. >> it was a horrific sight to see your son hooked up to machines and to know that possibly they weren't going to actually wake up and ever say mama again. >> you would think it would be safe, would be okay, it's an alternative to marijuana. and it's anything but that.
it's a deadly poison. >> withhat do you think of that perception that this is sort of like marijuana or not as harmful as it actually is? >> well, my heart goes out to connor's parents and his family. and as that example vividly depicts, what we're talking about is a cocktail of synthetic chemicals that has unpredictable results. in fact the only thing that's certain is that you'll end up having some kind of a violent reaction that will cause significant harm to the user and perhaps to others. >> when you look at the legal context of course, many states are experimenting with decriminalization or legalization of pot itself. does that complicate your efforts and those of other prosecutors to fight this or because you have been emphasizing it is so different, that it's a drug, the sort of rhetorical overlap with organic
or farm grown pot is not the point? >> i think the rhetorical overlap is not the point. it's a cause of confusion and can indeed cause people to think that the results are going to be the classic mellow buzz that marijuana has traditionally been thought of as giving. what we have to do is mark a stark distinction. in fact, there is data out there in states where marijuana is legal that hard use of drugs like synthetics and heroin is actually down. so when you talk about synthetic drugs, you're talk about something that absolutely is not marijuana. >> and in reading up on this in some of the articles they talk about the prevalence of in, the easiness with which people acquire it, getting it at gas stations and such.in, the easiness with which people acquire it, getting it at gas stations and such. if a parent is watching saying what do you mean this is available at a normal corner
store. >> it wasn't until about 2010 or so that states across the countries and cities across the country started banning the substance. the substance was marketed initially as a legal form of thc. states and cities got wise and banned it. none the less, for the money, certain convenience stores and gas stations and other purveyors are in the business of doing so. smart cities and smart states like the district of clolumbia have developed a multitude of tools to try as best we can to outlaw the selling of these illicit drugs. >> i also want to read from a "new york times" magazine article that got a lot of attention about the battle in syracuse. people there responding to as many as 20 overdoses a day, playing a video one afternoon at the police station shows a man writhing on the floor in an apartment building. he isn't under arrest, but his
hands can havuffed for his own . the man screaming the same words over and over in hysterical fall set toe, banging his head against the wall and hammers his bare heels against the floor.fa against the wall and hammers his bare heels against the floor. sounds like a terrible reaction. is it in your view primarily a public health problem at this point or is incarceration part of what is necessary? >> well, i think that strong criminal and civil penalties are necessary primarily to stop those who are selling the substance. clearly what we're talking about with respect to the users is a substance abuse problem that needs to be treated like other substances like heroin and the like. >> whaile we have you, i also wanted to get your views as former counsel to president clinton, i wanted to ask you about the ongoing review
regarding the e-mails of hillary clinton. does this feel like in your view legally at this point a baseless political witch hunt or do you think it's too early to tell and in your expert view the internal investigation has to play itself out? >> well frr, from my experience working for president clinton and first lady clinton at the time, there was no doubt of course that there was always a furor as to hair beingtheir actd oftentimes their opponents got far ahead of the evidence. so as i observe this story, i'm mindful that the public should not get too far ahead. let's let the facts dictate where this goes. s . >> do you think it will be a backlash against republicans for it? >> i'm not here to speculate on that. >> sometimes you just don't answer the question if it's not something you want to get into temperatu. thanks for your time. >> and i appreciate you airing will great public education piece.
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