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breaking news leading the hour just moments ago we learned the man suspected of killing a tv news crew live on the air this morning is dead, killed from a self-inflicted gunshot wound after being pursued by police. >> the driver of the sonic vester flanagan also known as bryce williams refused to stop and sped away from the trooper. it was only a minute or two
later when the sonic ran off the road into the median. when trooper neff approached the vehicle she found flanagan suffering from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. flanagan was flown from the scene to a hospital where he died at approximately 1:30 p.m. today. >> local authorities are also releasing a time line of the on-air murders and another about 6:43 a.m. alison parker and adam ward in the middle of the live report and the suspect identified at vester lee flanagan approached, shot and killed them both. the rest of that video is far too disturbing to show. we are not airing it. flanagan was a former colleague of both parker and ward. he went by the name bryce williams in his work on television. and in the hours after the attack he posted videos he apparently took himself during those murders. the woman being interviewed in the live report was also shot,
vicki gardner, rushed to the hospital and underwent surgery today and said to be in stable condition. now, in that same press conference, her colleague at the chamber of commerce spoke about gardner. >> her family is with her and her friends are with her. we just want her to know and the community to know that as vicki is a champion for us, for the morn than a decade, we will be a champion for her through this. >> we go to the scene where olivia bailey is a reporter with wcyb. a tough day for everyone out there and really the eyes of the nation of this incident. what can you tell us? >> reporter: obviously, a tough day for reporters as they all gathered around this press conference and you know, affiliate wbdj out of roanoke, we were learning more about alison parker and adam ward and the new details out of the press conference was that the shooter alleged shooter in the incident flanagan had died. of his injuries of an apparent
gunshot wound today. we got a full time line of what it looked like had happened. they were doing the live shot and looked like from what police tell us, he snuck in. the crew may not have known he was there and took video of this happening. so he came in and snuck in there and actually fled the scene there going on interstate. virginia state police and local authorities chasing after him. what we derned through the press conference, a license plate reader caught the vehicle that flanagan was traveling in, that ran off and then a virginia state police officer stopped flanagan -- over -- he pulled over. that was when it was determined he had a self-inflicted gunshot wound. he was taken to -- northern virginia hospital where he learned that he died of those injuries around 1:30. we're also learning about the other victim, vicki gardner who is in stable condition at
roanoke hospital. >> thank you. we turn to justice correspondent pete williams following this story since it broke. pete, what can you tell us now? >> well, a couple of things here. first of all, ari, it's clear that the gunshot wound that vester flanagan inflicted on himself was very serious. there was some confusion at the time of whether he was dead at the scene or whether he was pronounced dead at the hospital. but the authorities now say he was pronounced dead get to the hospital and in very bad shape and took a long time to get him out of the car and in the helicopter and to the hospital in washington and hospital was saying they didn't have him as a patient and what hospitals normally do when someone when's come has died. so obviously he was in bad shape from the moment he shot himself. he did post several things on social media. a number of comments about some of the victims.
a video that he had took of the shooting as he was firing the shots. almost as soon as it went up on facebook and twitter it was taken down. facebook said that it did so in confo conformance with policies prohibiting -- quoting from the policy, prohibit users from celebrating any crimes that they've committed. preventing them from using social media in essence to engage in sort of chest beating about what they have done. and then there's the fact that abc news reports that bryce williams, that's the name he called himself, vester flanagan, sent that news organization a 25-page document he described as a suicide note for friends and family in which he describes himself as a human powder keg with anger building steadily just waiting to go boom. he says he has suffered racial discrimination, sexual assault
and discrimination at work. he expressed admiration of the columbine shooters and the virginia tech shooter. what sent me over the edge he says is if charleston shooting and a lot to go over and tracked his car from the scene, found it at the airport, discovered that he had rented a car at the airport, we believe from enterprise car rental last month. and that's the car that they were following and that's the car that the trooper picked up as he was headed north on i-66, ari. >> thank you. i know you're speaking with the law enforcement sources and will check in with you later this hour. now jim kcavanaugh, clint van zandt, and also here on set anthony roman. clint, let's start with the
portrait that is emerging of this individual. >> yeah. well, unfortunately, it's a portrait that we've seen hung in too many cities in america. it's an individual who was angry, frustrated, rageful. it's somebody who accumulates insults and accumulates other negativity in his life. realize, this guy was terminated with cause from this television station over two years ago. he hung around the area. we've yet to hear what he's doing for two years and what we believe we know is he's kept this anger and rage directed at the last place that we know he worked and he blamed others for his own challenges in life. then he as you just said he rented this car last month so does that mean the planning has been going on potentially for at least a month? and then he takes all of his media skills, photographs this
terrible act that he commits, posts it, sends out his manifesto to explain his anger, frustration and rage. telling us like so many other shooters since columbine, he's modeling that behavior and then takes his own life so he's not held to the light of day to answer for his own terrible actions. >> yeah. and, jim, to that point what's so horrific about this and distinct from some other type of shootings we see, of course, as has been reported all day, this individual's desire to create some sort of media event and propaganda. how do law enforcement authorities look at this when you have a shooter who has some sort of desire to be recorded, to be seen and put it out on social media as we know he did? >> well, usually you can leverage it against them if it's needed to apprehend them or discover the identity. ari, it is just like clint was
saying. he collects the grievances, wrongs done to him, some imaginary or real. none of us go through life without setbacks or wrongs done to çus. and then slowly works up to this over a number of years. he is fired over two years ago. the car rented a month ago and e-mailing abc news maybe a few weeks ago. i would say that's likely the beginning of the murder plot. it's interesting to see when he acquired the firearm and maybe other things that turn up on exactly when this murder was afoot. maybe a month ago he decided to get my revenge because the larger motive, rubrick is revenge. revenge on the station for firing him. revenge on alison and adam because they're the winners that he cannot be. and revenge which he even as in against the society as a whole. other people who he believes have been wronged like cho in
virginia tech or columbine and then sides with the african-americans at the mother emanuel church and sails if you want a race war and even collecting things from society that fit into his revenge plot. and of course, he broadcasts it, ari. you make a great point. he was in the news business. that's one thing. he also believes once people hear this, they'll see how wronged he actually was. and, of course, nobody would believe that but that's what he wants to think. they'll see i was wronged by alison and adam and the station and the world and everybody who employed me and now you'll see what has happened to me. >> right. and as you say, there's a bit of delusion there. we don't know exactly all the problems he was personally facing. but, anthony, this is someone who took his own private grievances and tried to tie them and saw them as a much larger events and had nothing personally to do with like the charleston massacre.
look at this as you do as an investigator, what are the key points and the timeline trying to understand how he went from disgruntled or unhappy employee to murderer? >> well, i've investigated about 2,000 psychiatric cases or individuals have a host of problems. had the opportunity to review the medical records in the tale. do the medical research. interview the psychiatrist. fundamentally what's occurring, as the time passes and the individual is older, it becomes more pronounced. the psychosis, the delusions. the misinterpreting of everything going on around them becomes more intense, more enraging and it begins to build up like a pressure cooker and then there's some event, one event, that really triggers them and they act. and that action may take a
multitude of modalities. chronic lawsuits. come plants to the media. finally in some cases violence. >> right. violence he wanted, obviously, to be seen live and then to back it up in some sort of ghoulish insurance policy, post again on social media to live on. i want to read from "the new york times" reporting on this today saying, look, the shooting and the graphic images that resulted marked a horrific turn in the national intersection of video violence and social media. the gunman's own 56-second video showed him deliberately waiting until the journalists on air before raising a handgun, firing point-blank and seen and recorded by thous. your thought on the aspect of this crime? >> well, just like he set up the shot from the gun, he set up the shot looking down the barrel. looking through the sights of
that gun. those of us who have seen it, he takes his time. he gets the gun out there. waves it at the victim. as you say, he waits for the on-air shot to take place. and then he starts cranking off round after round after round. you know, i have heard initially we heard six or eight. well, jim and i think -- i know i counted them. there was over 13 rounds. so he probably emptied almost everything in that semiautomatic pistol that he had. but realize he was producing something. this was going to be his last biline, the last story. he wanted it, he wanted to produce it, direct it, star in it. and write the whole thing. it was all about him. e6 even at this very last moment. it's a shame. he knew he was going to die and die one way or the other. probably at his own hand. and yet, he wanted to get this message and appears totally false message out as your guest
sitting there with you suggests. he eels for one reason or the other made these things up to justify his failures in life. and as jim says, he has to watch others succeed even at this small tv station. they have succeeded where he has failed. that was a huge mountain for this guy to go over. and evidently, instead of going over it, he tried to go through it. we saw those actions today. >> jim, it is too early to draw any grand conclusions here but from a law enforcement perspective, does this tell us anything about the care with which journalists and nowadays everyone a publisher, the rest of should be concerned about in terms of how the disturb tord violent among us want to take these platforms and turn them to their own attention for a crime and murder? >> well, it's right. i mean, it is hard to guard against everything.
news crews are everywhere in a democracy. doing stories everywhere. journalists out all hours of the day and night and there's journalists killed, so many killed every year in war zones. the committees for safe journalists. i mean, we have so much tragedy. you just don't expect it on a normal morning at the lake, on a mall shot. so it's pretty hard to guard against that. this guy would be out of the mind area of these two cameraman and reporter happening two years ago. they're not obsessed with the guy. >> right. >> they're going on about their lives. he is obsessed with them. he's obsessed with the station, the places he previously worked. gnawing at him like clint said every day. collecting, writing. these guys never write a short manifesto. it is always going to be 23 pages. everything. all written down. and not only does he strike out at them but i think it's important. he strikes out at society, too. brings in columbine and virginia
tech and charleston. he's not after only them. he's after everybody else and like clint said, he'll film it, broadcast it. proud of it. he wants you to be on his side and will die. you're going the find out he was right in the final analysis. of course he wasn't. that's what he's trying to prove. a sad, sad case for journalists. you know, we are proud of all of our journalists in democracy. this is heartbreaking to see it happen. it is interesting to see what else the investigation turns up. is there anything else we could have done to stop it? maybe there will not be. >> these two reporters simply doing their job another innocent civilian simply participating in an interview ambushed in cold blood. jim, clint, anthony, stay with us. the final act of photo journalism of adam ward and the social media on all of this. stay with us. do you like the passaaadd?
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hello. we are back with more breaking news on the big story driving the news today. the suspected gunman who killed a reporter and videographer live on air is now dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. adam, what are you hearing and seeing and what more can you tell us about the unfolding events this afternoon? >> reporter: ari, good afternoon. the sheriff just finished up his press conference. he talked about the background of vester flanagan, his history,
how he was disturbed, his life spiraling out of control. severe anger issues, obviously. we worked at the station with ashley and mr. ward and he had known them. he had been fired earlier this year. he was escorted out of the bidding. they said he was always looking for a reason, something that he would have a grievance for. he had written a 23-page manifesto to abc. he said he was a human powder keg ready do go boom. i want to talk about the brazen act you were talking about. fact that he could walk up with a camera rolling, his own camera. not only the camera we saw that was shooting the interview but his own camera and he stands behind them just waiting, just unbelievable. just for a matter of seconds. it feels like minutes and then he opens fire. just an incredible act of brazenness. we also learned more about how he was caught. how he left the scene. he went to the airport. he got into a rent-a-car and
used a license plate reader and that was very helpful catching him on the highway and found him with a gunshot wound to the head. he was taken to a hospital where he eventually died. ari? >> and adam, did it feel do you know like a lockdown? i mean, people around the country following this all day. obviously, in the community, torn apart by the murders, but initially with the shooter on the loose, what was it like? >> reporter: well, we got here a couple of hours ago. there didn't seem to be a lockdown. eventually they dealt with it pretty quickly. we do know in new york city there was some concern about television reporters. just like us right here, standing here live out in the middle. you don't know who's around you. he came up behind them. they had no idea. you can clearly see the camera man panning around, the reporter with the backs to him. they had no idea he was standing right behind them. >> thank you. this is the key image in the
investigation than that began today. the final act of photo journalism by the cameraman adam ward sending police in pursuit. this is a screen grab capturing the shooter who we know now to be the ex-disgruntled employee. he filmed if shootings and posted them on social media including on twitter. this was his profile photo. the posted photos have been taken down. for more on what it means and how it works, we have courtney rash and kate nibs. let's start with the basics. how do these websites and social media platforms deal with this situation like this where there may be video or content that's pursuant to or part of a crime? >> twitter and facebook and other platforms generally cooperate with police and
nonnrch situations they may wait for a subpoena. if there's an emergency, they will generally cooperate right away. we can't be sure here whether twitter and facebook talked with police before suspending the shooter's account. >> yeah. facebook has put out a very general message but what's -- what is the standard here you're saying? >> the standard, i mean, this is almost unprecedented in its specificity but generally facebook will take down any -- any posts where someone is celebrating a crime. and facebook has confirmed that that is why they suspended the shooter's account. >> right. i want to bring in courtney from the committee to protect journalists. this obviously is a terrible crime that is a crime against innocent citizens, first and foremost including as we have mentioned a citizen participating in an interview, hurt and is in the hospital and
explicitly a crime by a former reporter here against colleagues who were journalists. talk to us about that risk, often people think of the biggest risk to journals of reporting from war zones or hot conflict areas. how does this figure in in your expertise? >> so, you know, we are still investigating the motive for -- behind the killing. we try to confirm if the reporters are killed for the work they're doing, the journalism and still figuring that out but what we do know is that when journalists are killed, war zones are not the most dangerous. in the u.s., there have been five journalists killed since we began keeping records in 1992. and out of those, 50% who were murdered have had justice in their cases. but what we know is that journalists are attacked and many cases simply for covering their news and dangerous assignment and maybe because of
the beat and it's a dangerous -- >> what you are getting at -- >> we don't usually think of that. >> justice in the cases, the fact that you have reporters who are sometimes targeted for the work they're doing which is distinct from simply being in a place and so-called collateral damage. >> that's right. we track the number of journalists killed and within that we also track separately the number of journalists murdered. if the journalist is murdered for their work, then what we do is we track whether there is justice in their killings and unfortunately nine out of ten cases there is no justice. the u.s. obviously has a functioning legal system so there has been justice or partial justice in all the cases and what we don't know yet is what exactly the specifics about this case were, why those journalists were killed, if it's related to their journalism or as has been suggested in the reporting due to a grievance nothing to do with them as reporters. >> going back to kate on the internet piece of this, we live
in a world where people share and broadcast all sorts of things they're doing. if most people aren't doing violence and criminals, this's not a part of what they're sharing. this is an individual using social media pursuant to the crime. talk about the challenge that poses because part of what people are feeling here is a concern that perhaps that desire becomes a motivation for doing it which is distinct from other -- again, gruesome to talk about. other televised killings like lee harvey oswalt. >> yes. this is a deliberate move to share it. it's as horrible and immoral and imhumane as the actions were, he was savvy to draw attention and, i mean, platforms like snapchat, facebook, twitter are caught in a difficult position here because it would be impossible to constantly proactively
monitor every single twitter and other feed from criminal activity. so there are always going to be playing catch up. they don't have control over what users put out there and especially because this man put horribly graphic video and aud played on facebook and twitter. people, people who had followers who tweeted him confronted with horrible video that they didn't need to see. because these platforms are so good at quickly sharing anybody's takes on life and this is -- >> well, these platforms usually say they're neutral, not taking a stand and share all sorts of content. this is past their line and this is not what people want to see. we are not showing any of the live video he created. we don't want do give it a second life of any kind. >> yeah. i would just say twitter took it down within eight minutes. of course it could have been quicker. it's a problem of other twitter
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they say that vester flanagan sped away, crashed his car and then shot himself. the gunshot proved to be fatal and pronounced dead a short time later. he'd gone a distance from roanoke heading north toward the washington, d.c. area. and one of the problems police had initially was trying to figure out which car he was in. they discovered that he -- his car, they found it at the roanoke airport. now, we're not certain why they looked at the airport. it could be a matter of trying the see if he was trying to get away from the area and the airport is a logical place to look. but they discovered that he rented a car and once they figured that out, they put out the description of the rental car, the license plate of the rental car and the virginia state police say patrol officers device that scans license plate, electronic license plate reader registered that plate. she radioed in for authorities to help and once there were
other people on the scene, then she flashed her lights and turned on her siren and tried to pull him over. and that's when sped away. as for the suicide note, that he sent to abc, it's long, rambling, 23 pains. they've quoted from some of it on their we believe site. they say that he complained about being the victim of racial discrimination, bullying, sexual harassment. he describes himself as a powder keg waiting to blow. he says that he put the order in for a handgun two days after the shooting in june at the church in south carolina. that that was the tipping point for him. he makes references to dylan roon roof the man charged in that shooting. authorities say he had been a troubled person and he himself described himself as a powder keg. >> all right. pete williams, thank you, as always, for your reporting.
bringing in gym cavanaugh and clint van zandt and also here on set anthony roman. welcome to all of you and thank you again for joining us here on a difficult news day. starting with you, clint. thinking about what we heard there from pete williams about this individual's statements, walk us through what you make of that, why someone who wanted to present some information directly on social media incl e including the video we are not playing wanted to put the so-called manifesto or suicide note out the a news organization. when's going on there? >> well, as we have talked in the past, i think this is an offense accumulator for lack of a better term. he looks for all the challenges he's had in life and he looks to blame others. we know, for example, that he's filed a number of claims,
allegedly one against nbc affiliate in florida and one against this tv station roanoke that he worked for less than a year. suggested discrimination things were said to him he didn't like. evidently all of us unfounded. so he's got this history of claims. he has a short term relationship with these organizations that he's worked for. i think he's planned this for at least a month and as pete williams just told us, he put in for this gun. he asked to buy this gun within a few days after the recent church shooting. so that may have been a tipping offense in his mind where he finally found not only was he being wronged, his entire life, but others were being wronged and perhaps this was his way he was going to take a stand but it's interesting that, you know, he chooses to murder these two co-workers that he worked with, whether there's a racial aspect to him being african-american
and them being white, that's yet to come out, but he's suggesting that they discriminated against him an all of this plays into this terrible psychological stew that he's been cooking for a while. on this stove we call the human mind. and it finally spilled out in a way we saw here. but again, everything he did today he had made a decision. he wasn't going to be held responsible and have to explain himself other than the way he wanted to so just like the shooter at virginia tech, cho, who made the video, justifying what he did, sent it to nbc in new york, and then committed this terrible act, this same individual perhaps copying the behavior sends this massive amount of paper work to abc in new york. again, kind of a suicide note justifying what he's going to do. he acts out and then takes his own life. so nobody can hold him up like
the old farmer used a candle and egg. hold an egg up in front of alight an see when's inside. he didn't want anybody to look inside of him and see anything other than what he wanted to say and what he wanted to show. >> right. and, jim, tracing that escalation by this individual, we know from the general manager of the station that he developed a reputation as someone difficult to work with, the station manager telling "the new york times" today and ultimately noting when they did terminate his employment the police had to escort him from the building. it went so poorly. how should people look at that and how does law enforcement distinguish of someone being upset over being fired a ten cloous of someone to take these kind of actions? >> well, law enforcement relies on people to tell them because they're not everywhere. so somebody gets escorted from a business or an office, every day in america. people get fired and, you know, employees are escorted out.
locks are changed. most of them go on about their life and accept the setbecome and go back to work at another job. this guy just like clint said collecting the slights for a long time. he was fired from a station in 2000 and maybe a california station, as well. when the final firing coming, the grievances sort of build up. he said in the suicide note to abc news that pete mentioned, ari, a deposit on a pistol two days after the charleston shooting. so the grievance collecting is an obsession. he's obsessed now, going to do something and then kind of -- that's only 65 days ago. the june 19th, about 65 days ago and then he -- this morphs into an actual plot. maybe a few weeks ago when he rents the car. i don't know if you recall but the shooting in chattanooga, tennessee, that shooter also rented a car.
sometime this is's a part of the plot. you know? how we're going to maybe get away for a little while or how you are unseen for a short while or maybe you want to reliable vehicle to commit the murders. so these renting the cars, if there's no other personal reason for that, may become part of the plot and then he e-mails to abc news. all of this sort of morphs into grievances, obsession to the plot and then filming it and putting it out as we discussed earlier and wanting everybody to understand that he's wronged for a lot of reasons. and this is what he's going to do about it. everybody needs to see it and understand it. >> this reflects an evolution on his part. here we are ate again the more statements, more information. here's a brand-new statement of barbara rogers who worked at kpix. he said he was a young eager kid out of journalism and like so many other sberns, he wanted to be on tv and doing a good job.
now he is on tv in the worst possible way. my condolences. another person that knew the killer and said one point in time, earlier on, didn't seem like a killer at all. >> well, they may not seem like a killer an they probably aren't a killer at the time that they know these individuals. this type of problem builds up chronically over time. and then reaches an acute phase. so there's really two things going on. the mental illness becomes more and more difficult to manage by an individual who's suffering from it. as they become chronologically older. that's simply a fact. and then what you have is the accumulation of perceived offenses. as the condition becomes more serious and more problematic. you know, less and less seems like more and more. to them. and it just builds up to this terrible, terrible brew. until they blow. >> and you say until they blow. and that's some of the word
choice even this individual used that manifesto according to abc news which received it. jim, clint, and anthony, here on set, i appreciate you all joining us. we want to tell you in other responses pouring out across the country hillary clinton weighing in on the tragedy. she was in iowa. here's what she said. >> i want to reiterate how important it is to me not let another instance go by without trying to do something more to prevent this incredible killing that is stalking our country. and we have had so many terrible instances of it in the last two years but it happens every day. intentional, unintentional, murder, suicide. it happens every day. and there is so much evidence that if guns were not so readily available, if we had universal
background checks, if we could just put sometime-out between the person who's upset, because he got fired or the domestic abuse or whatever other motivation may be working on someone who does this, that maybe we could prevent this kind of carnage. so i hope that in addition to expressing sympathy for those directly affected that this is maybe for the media, for the public, for elected officials, for every american, what it hopefully will finally take for us to act. thanks. imagine - she won't have to remember passwords.
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making waves this afternoon. he went after everybody is his nature and a confrontation of universe anchor that has everyone talking. >> okay. who's next? yeah, please. excuse me. sit down. you weren't called. sit down. sit down. sit down. go ahead. >> i have the right to -- >> no. you haven't been called. >> i have the right to -- >> go back to uni-vision. >> you cannot -- >> go ahead. >> you cannot -- >> go ahead. >> you cannot -- >> sit down, please. >> ramos was escorted out of the room by security by the trump campaign. you can see it there. he was let back in we want to note. trump went after jeb bush and marco rubio among others and causing something of a backlash, though. we're joined by the author of a new article and reading from it because you have some
interesting arguments here. one of them is you basically say the mid yeah thrives off the political hype, trump has not brought the show to american politics. he captures how much of our politics already is a show. so we should to some degree blame ourselves or our political and media elites? >> yes. but also the political class and then we shouldn't -- i i think the problem is tension in media really in the political classes. if you sniff a trump, and yet cover him or sniff a trump and yet advise your politician how to defeat him, you're somewhat of a hypocrite worried about the same showmanship, the stages craft that thrived since the election of 1900. >> you mentioned that and put it in historical context saying the campaigns of showman and showmanship since the floats for the virginia aristocrat william harrison. wealth is not an obstacle to
popularism. the poor still saw themselves in him. the establishment stopped laughing. >> yeah. fdr was terrified of long and long's garishness, the white linen suits, the lilac shirts, all of that never stopped the poor from seeing themselves in long. trump's populism is different than long and it's very geared, you know, full of nationalism and nativism and it's a long tradition of politics. william henry harrison was a lot like george w. bush, an aristocrat with an awe shucks and who was framed with an awe shucks demeanor. >> there's two dynamics here. one is saying that when the people who want to look down at trump do so, whether they're in politics and republican party or in the media any part of the press, that risks reinforcing a strength which is positioning
back with a market alert. the dow up over 600 points. they are five minutes to the close. markets up big basically across the board. similar story yesterday. the dow had big gains all day only to fall dramatically in the last 20 minutes. as the clock ticks to the closing bell we're joined by senior investment commentator for the financial times. what is happening? >> basically we are getting what we thought we were going to get yesterday. when you have had this kind of selloff as we've had in the last few days it is not a surprise once people start picking through they will find something to buy. so you expect some kind of an increase an the dip. doesn't necessarily mean we're out of the woods yet. the other big new development is comments from the head of the new york fed, which where he's acknowledged that he thought the
case for a rite rise next month from the fed was reduced after all the events we've seen from china in the last few weeks. that is what the market wants to hear if they are not going to have to put up with a rate hike from the feds then they feel more comfortable buying stocks. that is what's happening at the moment. >> normal traders should be happy sitting tight? >> generally speaking normal investors shouldn't try playing incidents like this any time. it is so difficult to actually time a market movement like this correctly. >> john, thank you for giving us the update and staying with us on a lot of breaking news today. i'm ari melber.
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from wall street. stocks rallied. the first day the dow will end in positive territory. over 600 points for the first time this week. more coming up. we want to continue the breaking news coverage. the deadly sho ll lly shooting virginia reporter and her camera man on live television. after a massive police chase, it all began just before 7:00 during a routine live shot, a segment on local business from a shopping center. we're going show you the on air moments right before the ambush occurr occurred. >> this is our community. we want to come together. we want to share information that can help us grow and develop to provide a better experience. we wanthe