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on how the government responded. hey there, everyone. hie noon in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. we have breaking news to share at this hour in the execution style shooting of a sheriff deputy in texas. right now, police have a person of interest in custody but there's no word on what that person's connection is if any to the incident. the ambush happened at a houston-area gas station. >> deputy goforth was revfuellig his vehicle and returning to his car from inside the convenience store when unprovoke add man walked up behind him and literally shot him to death. i have been in law enforcement 45 years. i don't recall another incident that cold blooded and cowardly. >> paris county deputy sheriff
darren goforth was filling his patrol car when an unknown gunman came up behind him and opened fire. authorities are searching for the gunman. the harris county sheriff's office, as you heard, says a person of interest is being questioned in connection with that case. on the phone, "houston chronicle" reporter st. john boar n barnett smith. can you update me on the progress the police have snemad? >> it's hurry up and wait. i and many other reporters have sitting outside of a sheriff's office station in east houston, there's no word yet. there's a press conference scheduled at one. hopefully we'll know more then. >> do we know how this person of interest came to become a person of interest? >> we're still trying to sort that out unfortunately. there are very few details right now. >> how about the status of the law enforcement community there? is this this has got to shake people up. can you give me the reaction? what's been said and what is
being felt throughout the community? >> yeah, absolutely. yesterday i spoke with the head of the deputy organization and he said, obviously, that deputies have been just totally shaken up and concerned, especially with the heightened tensions involving law enforcement in recent months and this is sort of a reflection of that. and that's what they're concerned about knch. >> can you talk about the community in general beyond the law enforcement community? it could have happened to anyone, whether or not this was targeting a sheriff's deputy, a police officer or not remains to be seen but the fact that someone comes up to somebody, an individual filling up their gas, we all do that on a daily basis? >> yeah, absolutely. it's very concerning and scary and everyone -- it's certainly
touched people in houston. there are officers up at a house in northwest harris county, we're trying to find out if that's the same house as the person that police are speaking to now. and one of our reporters is on scene and said neighbors from all across that community were taking police water bottles and trying to help out and expressing their sympathy. so i think you're absolutely right. >> my viewers are looking at a still photo, presumably a screen grab from surveillance video. how pivotal is this going to prove in pursuing suspects and eventually bringing someone to pay for this crime? >> honestly, i couldn't say. you'd have to talk to the homicide investigators. but i think it's -- perhaps it was a factor in finding someone to talk to so quickly. >> and how much has this covered the local news there? >> oh, it's -- the last time a
harris county sheriff's deputy was intentionally killed was in 20 2001. it's a big, big news event. we were covering the story late into the night and all of the tv stations are also monitoring it and covering it very aggressively. >> st. john, one more time, what time is that news conference scheduled for? >> 1:00 p.m. central so 2:00 p.m. eastern. >> we will monitor that. thank you very much for weighing in there from the "houston chronicle." i appreciate it. tropical storm erika has fallen apart but heavy rain and gusty winds are expected to move over cuba before skirting south florida. our meteorologist has been tracking this in the studio. steve, is florida in the clear? >> florida will get the remains of erika but in terms of tropical storm force conditions, yes. florida is in the clear, at least for most of the peninsula. my banner says "remains of erika
now." that's because the area of low pressure associated with the storm. there's the center of circulation. you see these oranges and reds, these are thunderstorms. you want that to be all around the center in a healthy tropical storm. but notice all the colors are to the east and so with that, that means a storm is just not healthy and, in fact, at 9:30 the national hurricane center downgraded it to the remnants of erika. now it's still over very warm water so we may not be totally out of the woods yet but for at least the weekend conditions are not favorable for this storm to intensify. with but florida will still get some rainfall out of this. we are looking at a lot of the computer models bringing up the remains of erika and may actually intensify back into a tropical storm by early next week but we still have time to watch it and erika hasn't really been that predictable by computer models, either. it will bring welcome rains to central and southern florida. that's where they're in severe drought right. now and look at these rainfall
totals. over the next 48 hours pockets of south florida will still see two to three inches of rain thanks to the remains of erika which will pass on by here tomorrow into monday. so actually this storm will deliver some good news to florida. luckily we won't have the damaging winds, but some welcome rainfall. >> okay, we are very glad to hear that. steve sosna, thank you so much. let's take you to donald trump in nashville, tennessee, he is addressing the national federation of republican assemblies. he's been there behind the podium for 35, 40 minutes. let's listen in. >> they devalue the yen so much people are buying komatsu instead of caterpillar. cat pill stock ar stock is down. we'll change that around. believe me. believe me. [ cheers and applause ] but they bid this wall and we have really 15 -- i would say -- look, we have 2,000 miles as opposed to 13,000. but you don't need it on all of it because some you have natural land scaping, some you have a lot of places and a lot of years
ago ten years ago people wanted the wall built, hillary wanted it built. what i do best is build. i'm not er aa rendering guy. a lot of guys do renderings then it never makes built. i'm the opposite. i get it built. one of the reasons they couldn't get it built is because they couldn't get an approved environmental impact study. do you believe this? no, no, they had certain snail daughters and different things, they couldn't get it. they could not get an environmental impact study approved to build the wall and they're killing people. we have illegal immigrants, you see that with kate in san francisco, you see it with jamil, you see it with so many people. last night in massachusetts i met some unbelievable families that have been devastated by illegal immigrants that come into the country and kill members of their family. last week in california, a 66-year-old veteran, a female, a veteran, 66, got raped,
sodomized, tortured, and killed. raped, sodomized, tortured, and killed. 66 years old. by an illegal immigrant, that they caught. that they caught. luckily. but this is what we have. we have stupid people in our government. and we have people pouring across the border and you foe what? we have great border patrol people. i went there. you probably saw that. that's why the hat is so successful, the white one, right? but i went there -- everybody wants to buy the hat. now they like the white one. two weeks later i wore the red one, the white one didn't sell so well, the red one sells. crazy thing. but i went to the border and i got to know the people and i saw people and, you know, it's rough stuff. it's rough stuff. and when i first came in and when i first did my opening statement that i was running for president i talked about illegal immigration. i was killed by the press. rush limbaugh -- who i think is
a terrific guy -- said -- rush limbaugh said trump has received more incoming than any human being i've ever seen. then he has a news conference and i think he's going to apologize and he doubles down! [ cheers and applause ] i got credit. i got credit. no, they thought i was going to apologize. and i don't mind apologizing, but i have to make a mistake to apologize and i was right. no, but i was right. so for two weeks as rush said i took incoming, incoming meaning the media -- >> well, on that note, we're going to keep monitoring donald trump in our control booth and come back with nbc's katy tur on the scene to give us an assessment of all he said? just a little bit. switching gears, of course, today, 10 years ago, hurricane katrina. with winds that reached 145 miles an hour, it roared ashore along the louisiana coast and the city of new orleans lay right in its path. thousands were evacuated in advance, however thousands stayed behind and when the storm
passed, more than 80% of the city was underwater, more than 1800 people lost their lives. let's bring in trymaine lee and melissa harris perry, the host of melissa harris perry show. i'm so happy to have you both with the insights. trymaine, you were there ten years later. what are the lingering sentiments? >> thank you for having me, alex. i think the lingering sentiment is what you said, tragedy. let's not that for 1800 people, at least their families, that was the last time they ever saw them alive, august 29 when the hurricane rolled through. there was a sense of abandonment then and a woman told me earlier "we're still in the storm." so so many people have not only yet to recover the physical manifestation of their lives but a piece inside was take than
day. so i think it wouldn't be overstating it to say this entire community remains very much traumatized, despite how well they've packed up the buildings and put the windows back up and the nice shiny veneer on it. people are very much damaged. >> you can imagine considering what they all went through. melissa, as you know, the president spoke about this on thursday and he was highlighting the administration's efforts on just what was done to rebuild new orleans. let's take a listen to part of what he said. >> what started as a natural disaster became a man made disaster. a failure of government to look out for its own interests. >> how much and what did this administration do to significantly help build new orleans? >> one of the things i'll say is what the president did in that moment is so critically important to the people of new orleans. we typically talk about this as hurricane katrina, but when you here in the city people talk about it as the day the levees failed. in part because the hurricane did extraordinary damage along the mississippi gulf coast but
it was the failure of federal levees that flooded the city. so that focus on the aspect of the disaster is important in part because it gives us space to talk object how there could be man made solutions. this administration has done a variety of important things including settling the road home case so that there were monies available for people to get back into their holmes. beginning to allow additional funds available for the rebuilding of levees. but this administration has also been complicit in, for example, the privatization of the public school system there or the charterization of that school system the which this administration happens to agree with and which has very mixed reviews on the ground. so like any administration there are things it has done and things people sometimes disagree with. and, trymaine, donna brazile praised president bush for his efforts saying "under president bush's leadership we got it
right. the president made a commitment and i think he kept his word." we all remembered the initial response, and she said it was slow. she said the baiush administratn poured $120 billion into rebuilding despite opposition. >> moving forward, president bush helped kick off the recovery. but i was here on the ground at the convention center in those early days and there are thousands of people stranded for nearly six days while the president made his flyover and you have to optics, that one picture as he's gazing out of the window. people on the ground will never forget those moments. when people were dying and going without water and food and they were trying to cross over the west bank and police officers were firing guns over their head to send them back while the president is doing a flyover. for people on the ground here, it's not lost who -- the president bush's initial -- what they would describe as bungling of the evacuation and initial recovery. moving forward, of course, the city has received a billion
dollars in federal aid. the hospital system has been rebuilt as melissa mention, the privatization of this new school that some are decrying. all of that was kicked off at the tail end of the bush administration. but the optics of those first days were terrible and remain here with folks. >> undoubtedly the optics of those first days are crucial in our understanding of president bush's administrative response but i'll say the part of what happened in that so-called pouring money in was there was also a reduction of a variety of things that typically the federal government would do to protect contractors. to ensure there are minority and women contractors. to ensure that certain safety and health standards. so in this discourse about reducing red tape, what they did was to allow a variety of predatory opportunity for folks who came in, the kind of language of disaster capitalism which was opened up. there's money nut there but we
have to be careful about how we think about what those recovery efforts look like under the bush administration. >> we have to remember, we all remember that phrase when the president was thanking michael brown, the then fema director. let's play what happened there. >> i want to thank you all for -- and brownie, you're doing a heck of a job. the fema director is working 24 -- [ applause ] >> well, michael brown, he was talking with chris matthews in an interview yesterday about katrina. let's listen to what he had to say then. >> when he left crawford, i got on the phone and talked to the deputy chief of staff on air force one and i said "i've got to have the president land in baton rouge." and the question was why? i said "because he needs to walk down the steps of air force one, walk to that podium and he needs to say two things. he needs to say to the american public and the people of louisiana i am here and telling my cabinet to give mr. brown everything he needs. if he asks for x, give him x
squared." and i couldn't make that happen. for whatever crazy reason they decided to do the flyover and go back to andrews air force. that was a huge mistake and it cost me, chris. >> sometime there is's hindsight with history and perceptions buts soften. do you think in case that there's a case that perceptions but that trymaine was talking about, will that be a lasting imsnaj. >> that will be lasting for the people of new orleans and for the people who are in forced diaspora around the country now. that won't change for brownie or president bush. that said, i'll reanswer your first question which is what was one of the critical things the administration did? craig fugate, a highly competent skilled terrific head of fema. how has the obama administration in terms of helping new orleans overall those several years, is there a feeling since obviously the disaster, is there a feeling he is responsible for the success of the recovery or as we were
saying president bush did despite gop opposition pour in tons and tons of money into new orleans to bring it back. >> to the extent that there is success? the rebuilding of new orleans the credit belongs firmly, totally with the people of new orleans. >> and ten years later, trymaine, it's the people that built the city? >> i've said it before. if there are any people in this country that have to resolve to rise up it's the gritty, beautiful, wonderful people of new orleans. i spoke to one person earlier who said "we're tired of being described as resilient because resiliency isn't a natural state." that resonates also that the people of this community have been heaped upon with myriad social maladies, from economic disparities to violent crime to no institution here works the way it should and these people have been bearing the brunt of that. again, i think ten years later we'll look back and say the
people of this great city rose up through great adversity to rise again. >> you know how much tourism is a part of that city and we saw a packed full sightseeing tourist bus just behind you trymaine. it's an extraordinary place to visit. you two, thank you very much. the uncomfortable moment at an event for the democratic party. one presidential candidate is calling the system rigged. was it the right message at the wrong time? okay! fun's over. aw. aw. ♪ thirsty? they said it would make me cool. they don't sound cool to me. guess not. you got to stick up for yourself, like with the name your price tool. people tell us their budget, not the other way around. aren't you lactose intolerant? this isn't lactose. it's milk. ♪
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never been attempted before. >> that was democratic presidential candidate martin o'malley at the dnc summer meeting yesterday and we should note that senator bernie sanders also criticized the party about this but joining me here in studio, howard dean, former dnc chair and governor of vermont and susan del percio, msnbc contributor and republican strategist. so glad to have you both here front and center but make sure we have the gloves on, right? howard, to you first. the dnc says, look, this is precedent, we're just following precedent with this. sanctioned debate, same as we did during the '04/'08 cycle. but does martin o'malley have a point? >> no, sad to say because i think he's a wonderful person. i started this. we had six sanctioned debates so we would haven't what happened to the republicans last time around with romney and it's happening again, i think now, we're not sure yet. but that doesn't mean there will only be six debates. six sanctioned debates. these are very expensive, the
networks pay for them because the dnc doesn't have the money. one of these folks will get the nomination, we'll use them money to help them get elected as opposed to spending it on television so we get somebody else to pay for it. now, i was in this in '04. we had about 20 debates because you go to the six sanctioned debates and then when some caucus in iowa wants to have a debate you won't say no three weeks before the primary so, in fact, i get what they're doing and it's true there are six sanctioned debates by the dnc but there are 14 more they'll end up going to and they'll have to be on the stage at the same time. >> i'm curious, though, did martin o'malley not do himself any favors with the dnc? yo f you read body language, you saw the hand shake between he and debbie wasserman schultz. but if he's not going to talk about it here, where does he lk about it? >> he did the right thing in terms of his issue. i gave a speech like that and it
launched my campaign. nobody at the dnc liked it except the dnc members. so, you know, i don't think he did anything terrible. but just to set the record straight, this has been going on for a long time and he'll be in more debails. there are only six sanctioned debates so the dnc has some control over the spectacle which is what costs, i think, had a lot to do with costing the republicans the white house last time. >> okay, let's talk about donald trump right now because he is has taken issue -- >> do we have to? >> we're going to. >> come on, you know it's fun. >> i'm going to say "no comment" because i don't want him coming after me. we'll talk about the issue he's taken with this $100 plate event. here's how it's being portrayed and his reaction. >> some of the people, many of the people are coming in, they can pay whatever they want but i think they're doing something to offset the tremendous cost of food for 2,000 people. but this is nothing. this is not a fund raiser. >> how's your money situation for the campaign?
you're accept dough nations? >> i'm turning down millions of dollars for the campaign. everybody's offering me money and i don't want it. so i'm turning down millions of dollars and no interest. [ cheers and applause ] >> okay, so he's disavowed fund-raising since the beginning of his campaign. how important is it for him being this megamillionaire billionaire. how important is it for him to stick to this and show he's not taking money from anybody. >> he's making a huge mistake here. there's nothing wrong with taking $100 contributions and it could have been used to his advantage. he could say, yes, people want to participate. i'm going to limit to $100 and it's a way to get people to be interactive with the campaign. it's smart grass-roots campaigning and they could say he's paying for the big tickets and the amount won't add up for much but it would be nice for him to say i have $50,000 donors who gave me $100 or less. now he's saying something else and he's, in effect, lying,
because on his fec reporting when you have to show your expenditures and contributions, all of those $100 contributions will show up as donations because that's what they are and for someone who likes to be known as being plain spoken, telling it the way it is, he's flubbing it. he even did it when it came to the person who was hosting. he can't because there's campaign contribution limits. so this is a place where donald trump will probably yet get away with it but he really does do his image a little harm when he could have made it a positive. >> he can contribute as much as he wants to himself. >> but this was another person. >> the donor can't, that's right. the host of the fund-raiser. >> so how much do you think this attack -- and can he continue along this line? when he goes after hillary clinton's top campaign spokesperson, houma abedin, is she fair game? >> i don't believe it.
as someone who's worked on campaigns, i don't think you go after the staffers unless there's something there. now there has been a question as to is doj looking into houma's e-mails? depending on what happens and what they find out, that could be potentially fair game. but i'll also argue this has become a really ugly campaign season. hillary clinton called a whole bunch of republican presidential candidates terrorists. she said -- she made a reference to the holocaust last night. these are things that just should be out of bounds by both sides just like it was when mike huckabee made a comment about the oven bus they go after and it seems to me that in this day and age they've become acceptable attacks, unfortunately. >> so the quinnipiac poll, here's what was asked. they asked voters for the first word that comes to mind. hillary clinton, donald trump, jeb bush and here they are. ready? the word "liar" tops the list of about 50 words for hillary clinton, followed by dishonest, untrustworthy, experience and
strong. the latter two good but the first two? how much does that concern you? >> it concerns me some but this is very early in the campaign, it's probably been the dirtiest campaign for the reasons -- all the reasons susan just said. i'm not worried about it. i think at the end of the day they want somebody who can do the job and i think that person is hillary clinton. >> okay. let's talk about donald trump, first word, arrogant. and the other one with jeb bush was his last name. so which would you rather have associated with your candidate, arrogant or the last name bush? >> probably arrogant in this environment if i'm running in a republican primary because when you look at what people are looking for, that outsider running against the system i think that probably plays better. but what's interesting about those three lists that you read off is when you take liar and i believe it's dishonest, that totalled almost half of the responses for hillary clinton out of several hundred whereas when you look at blow hard and arrogant, that only made up
about 20% or bush and family. third for jeb bush was honest. hillary didn't show up in honest until the bottom 10%. same with donald trump. so you have to dig into it but there wasn't good news for anyone there. >> who do you, howard, think the clinton campaign fears most? is it donald trump? jeb bush? who. >> i don't know the answer to that and there probably is one. >> but speculate. >> you're asking me to speak late? >> sure, speculate who would you fear. >> who i think is the best candidate on the other side, john kasich. >> you think she fears him though? >> i don't know. that i just demurred on, i have no idea what they're thinking at the clinton campaign. >> john kasich, does she any chance? >> i think he does. i think jeb bush has been horribly diminished by trump's candidacy. he has time to correct that and i think kasich has done reasonably well. he's done well in new hampshire, he's come into the top four or
five. somebody will emerge as -- i can't believe i'm saying this. somebody will emerge as the "anybody but trump" candidate. for the longest time the wisdom was somebody is going to emerge as the "anybody but bush" candidate and i thought it was going to be scott walker and that he could beat bush. i think scott walker at this point appears to be gone and the key players will be trump, bush, kasich and there's room for one other and i don't know who that will be. we'll see. >> to that point, the thing about kasich is if you just do presidential math, he won ohio by -- with 64% of the vote last year. >> good point. yes. >> so if republicans are really interested in winning, then you can't -- if you take ohio off the map, that's a huge thing would be concerned about. >> all right. you two make your way over to bookings, we'll do this again next week if i have my way. back here in studio, this was fantastic. susan, howard. thank you. more politics ahead. donald trump and the polls. trump just called out a pollster in his speech and you'll hear
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university's patrick murray -- highly respected pollster -- called astounding. he called it astounding. nobody else wrote about it. that defies any rule in presidential politics that i've ever seen, said this highly respected man. he flipped it from 20% to 52% in one month and he said he's never seen that before. [ cheers and applause ] and you know what? that's because people have heard me. >> we just heard him as well as well as this guy. the highly respected man himself, patrick murray, the polling director of monmouth university. that's that like being called out by trump in a good way. >> that's the first time i've seen that. i've been called out in a bad way by other presidential candidates before. as you know, alex, we try to most wonderful, classiest polling operation there is in the country so i guess the
donald saw. >> that he gave you kudos right there. he pretty much read from a report where you were quoted. is there any more context you want to add to what he said? >> this really is something that's incredible when somebody can in the span of just over a month go from a majority of republican voters saying "i do not like this guy" to a majority saying "yeah, i think he could be president." the only way that ever happens is with an unknown candidate he bursts out of nowhere and comes out and does something that catches fire. it doesn't happen with somebody who's already a known commodity, who trump has been all along. and what he did is he basically announced "i'm running for president, i want to build a big wall" among other things and he caught fire with republican voters. >> so what you're saying there, are you getting a sense that more people see donald trump as being presidential? >> no. and that's what's interesting about this. what they're saying is maybe we
don't need somebody presidential. and -- >> but he can still be president, according to the poll? >> right. maybe we need a bar bouncer as president is what i'm hearing. i spent about a week out in iowa and i was talking to voters out there and there was a real dichotomy between two different types of voters. the trump voters who want somebody who's tough, who's mean, who can go in there and kick some butt, basically, and then there's the non-trump voter who wants somebody outside of politics, maybe ben carson or carly fiorina, but somebody with more presidential bearing and would not back trump. so there are a number of people throughout who say "i will not vote for donald trump still. but they're dispersing their support among 16 candidates. that's why donald is leading the field. >> he's leading the field -- i want to look at the quinnipiac poll out there which he's leading again. more than doubling his closest opponent there. do you think he's hit a kreil organize still has room to grow within the republican primary? >> if we look back four years
ago when we had the "anybody but romney" movement and we saw herman cain and rick perry and others rise and fall, it was they rose over a six-week period and donald trump just hit that six week period this past week so we'll look closely at the polls coming out in the next 10 to 14 days to see if he's still going up, to see if he's hit a ceiling or the see if he's going down. but this is the crux moment for donald trump to see if he's going to stick around. >> do you think it's different, though, with donald trump? and almost difficult to measure or compare? this is a guy we knew really well before, not as a politician. he's got this whole persona that's been around for a couple decades. >> the difference is here he's not running against the "anybody but the front-runner" because he is the front-runner. what he's running against is washington, d.c. one of the things we know is that republicans have a very dim view of their own republican representatives in congress.
and that's basically saying "i don't like politicians" and donald trump is about as anti-politician as you can get. >> patrick, listen in with me right now. he's stepped in front of the cameras, it's immediate have yablt after his speech. let's take him live. >> nationally by a lot. i have a great relationship to the republican party, to the conservatives, to the evangelicals, to the tea party you probably notice, right across the board. >> so will you not run -- >> a decision will be made very soon, okay? >> the clinton campaign responded -- >> the who did? >> the clinton campaign responded strongly to your comments about -- >> i thought what hillary clinton said about terrorists and republicans being terrorists was a disgraceful statement and she should take it back. because actually, what she said is a terrible statement. and she should take that statement back. she insulted many, many great people. many, many great people. what she said about republicans, she should take that statement back. >> they called your comments about houma abdedin disgraceful.
>> reporter: what do you feel is the most important factor of that and how soon? >> where is your camera? >> the camera is with the abc affiliate right here. >> where is that? i might as well help you, your camera is over here. as far as third party is concerned, the republican party has been treating me very, very fair lift all i ask is fairness and i'm leading in every poll by a lot. we're leading in every state by a lot and a lot of things are happening. in terms of victory, that would certainly be the best path to victory. we'll make a decision very soon and i think a lot of people will be happy. >> reporter: were you to harsh on houma abedin? >> not at all. i think it's a dangerous thing when she is the receiver of so much of this very important information and she's married to a guy who obviously is psychologically disturbed. i think it's a very fair statement that i made and a lot of people have congratulated me. she's receiving this very, very important information and giving
it to hillary? well, who else is she giving it to? her husband has serious problems and on top of that he now works for a public relations firm. so how can she be married to this guy who has major problems. she's getting the most important information. it could be in the world. i mean, who knows what he's going to do it with. forget about her. what she did is a very, very dangerous thing for this country and probably a criminal act. >> so patrick, i want to bring you in as we continue monitoring what he's saying and it looks like he's wrapping this up. look what he just did there. he was getting a question from somebody -- he understands the media. he understands how to work it. he was getting a question from a reporter and he said "where's your camera?" clearly he didn't see the camera and he wanted to play to the camera. what is it about his success? is it about his bombastic smile is there a campaign strategy, you think, feeding into it? or is it the faltering of his competitor's campaigns. what is it that puts him on top? >> i think one thing we have seen from donald trump in the
past few weeks is that he has hooked on to certain statements. i knows he's said recently "i don't say the same thing at every event." but he really does. so he's kind of learned the patter of being a candidate but he's still donald trump. he's been in front of the cameras much more than any other candidate has in a way that he's very comfortable with and we just saw that. here's a guy who can -- has realized he's hooked on to something outside of the realm of what we normally see in presidential politics, particularly on the republican side, where he can do things like support a single payer tax -- excuse me, a single payer health care system or give money to the clintons or all sorts of things he's done in the past and it doesn't stick to him. and so he understands that what they're looking for is his style, is his personality and that's why he speaks directly to the camera. that's what he knows the selling point is. >> her weir less than 15 months
away before the election. let's fast forward to a year from now when we have less than three months. do you think there's anything in history, any precedence that will say that is when people want details, that's when they want specifics, plans ironed out, they want to know what is going to happen should this person be put into the white house? at this point he talks in generalities. >> right. and this is what happened with, say, herman cain when he came out with his 999 plan and voters started looking at it and said wait a second, it doesn't add up. certainly rick perry, santorum, gingrich, michele bachmann, they had that four years ago. voters started taking a closer look. so we would assume that at some point voters will take a closer look at donald trump but as i said before he's already broken every rule in the book about what we expect to have. even parameters that are unusual. ones that we say, well, these are hard to predict but it's possible. he's already broken those rules, too. so it's possible we can go for months before voters will really hold him to account for his
plans. but we do have months so i think at some point at least enough voters will try to coalesce around another candidate. the key thing here is he's hit the six-week point, he's led in every single poll or nationally since july 26. that was an nbc marist poll that came out in iowa that showed somebody else other than donald trump in the lead. we'll start looking to see if other polls show somebody else in the lead. that will be the key. >> i don't know. there's a lot of ways to describe his candidacy but interesting sure is one of them. >> absolutely. wonderful, absolute. >> i as were you, thank you so much, patrick murray, come see us again. >> my pleasure. today marks ten years since hurricane katrina devastated new orleans. in the next hour, the story of how everyday people came together to rebuild the lower ninth ward. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future.
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new developments in the deaths of two young journalists gunned down on live tv. adam riess is in roanoke. adam, what are we learning about the lone survivor of that attack. >> reporter: that's vicki gardner, alex, good afternoon. she's doing much better. she stared down the killer as he shot allison parker and adam ward. she looked at him in the eye and tried to duck and get out of the way but he shot her in the back. she is now recovering after two surgeries. we spoke to a family friend who's been with her. she remembers quite a bit from wednesday morning. here's what he had to say. >> she saw alison shot, adam also. she was ducking and dodging and ended up on the ground kind of hunched over and he shot her in the back.
after perhaps atemts ttempts or attempts of shooting her again where his gun was not functioning or out of bullets. >> you're looking at a growing memorial here. people bringing flowers, balloons, teddy bears. they just want to be a part, pay their condolences, show their grief. a lot of people here in the community of roanoke say they knew alison and adam because they were in their home every day. we're also learning more about the investigation from this sheriff's office. we know that vester flanagan fired 17 shots from his glock semiautomatic, that he acted alone, that this was something pre-meditated and that he associated himself with other people who have committed similar acts of violence, including 9/11. but today vicki is doing much better, she's in recovery and expected to be out of the hospital in two weeks. alex? >> we're glad to report she's expected to make a full recovery going forward in life having lost one of her kidneys due to
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>> i'm a republican, i'm a conservative but i'm just as angry with the republicans because they go to washington, something happens, they become weak. >> party bashing. donald trump is an equal opportunity critic on the campaign trail today but is he saying anything new? deadly ambush, why would someone gun down a texas sheriff's deputy at a gas station? and new orleans ten years after katrina. the rebuilding and the work that still needs to be done. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." here's what's happening. we have breaking news as we are expecting a news conference in this next newshour the execution style shooting of a sheriff
deputy in texas. police are questioning a person of interest but there's no word on what that person's connection, if any, is to the incident. the incident happened at a houston-area gas station. >> deputy goforth was refuelling his vehicle and returning to his car from inside the convenience store when unprovoked a man walked up behind him and literally shot him to death. i have been in law enforcement 45 years, i don't recall another incident this cold blooded and cowardly. >> deputy sheriff darren goforth was a ten year veteran of the sheriff's department. let's bring in msnbc law enforcement analyst former atf special agent jim cavanaugh. jim, terrible circumstances under which we're talking. you heard what the sheriff said. how rare are ambush shootings of police officers? >> they're not everyday occurrence, alex, they happen from time to time and everybody remembers we just had two nypd
officers killed in brooklyn while they sat in their car. it wasn't long ago we had two metropolitan las vegas officers murdered in an ambush and in twine four officers killed in a coffee shop up in washington state. there's many other examples. they happen from time to time that law enforcement officers are targeted just because they're law enforcement officers. >> you have to wonder. the timing of this, the shooting comes a couple day that was highly publicized shooting of two journalists in virginia. are there any parallels to be drawn? >> there are parallels. we're one city now, alex. when we turn the news on we know what's hag. it's like watching local news. and the ambush in virginia on the two journalists was a public event, these are journalists out doing their work and people get ideas. copycat phenomena is real. that had revenge and direct
connections to the station and the victims but there is a parallel in that there are people publicly known, journalists and uniformed police officers are obvious to the publ public. they know who you are. when i wore a uniform, everybody knows who you are. you have lights and a badge and a hat and gun. but you don't know the intentions of everybody else. and that's always a challenge for law enforcement. >> that makes sense right there. you've seen that texas authorities have the gas station surveillance footage. how helpful is that ultimately and are there other technological resources that can be used when you're hunting for a suspect? >> they'll be pulling that live video off of that store and the harris county sheriff's department is 4,000 members strong. it's the largest department in texas, one of the largest in the country, they have a great detective bureau and they're, i'm sure, honing in on the guy. i saw on a wrecker they were towing away a ford ranger
extended cab fleet side pick up maroon or red in color and that's exactly what they describe sod the vehicle fits the description. whether the person they're questioning does we don't know. but they peel get the video, eyewitnesses and the key will be the murder weapon because the murder weapon could tie the killer to the deceased deputy. >> you make a good point as always, thank you so much, jim cavanaugh, good to see you. once again we are expecting to hear from the harris county sheriff in a news conference at the top of the hour. we'll bring it to you live on msnbc. meantime, developing in florida, a state of emergency remains in effect for the next couple days even though tropical storm erika has fallen apart. moments ago governor rick scott said the risk is still there. >> if you look at history, these storms, we still get a lot of rain. the tampa area in particular is still saturated. so we still have some risk. >> let's check in with our meteorologist with the latest. receive, what is it?
flooding still a big concern with erika? >> that will be the biggest concern over the next 24 hours or so. erika over the northern part of cuba and a lot of factors were going against erika. she was being beaten up by wind shear and the higher mountains of northern cuba. now that the storm is moving back over the water there is potential for erika to redevelop. right now the storm system is not being classified as a troerm -- tropical storm, but she may redevelop and if that should occur areas like tampa will get more rain. now parts of the state are in a severe drought. south florida really needs the rain from erika with we the rack it looks like it will be further to the south and west. so they will get some rainfall in the miami area where they need it but heavy rain fall, unfortunately, in the tampa area where they don't need it. heavy rain and thunderstorms not
associated with erika are offshore but by tomorrow into monday we'll see her moisture lift to the north and with that we could see a couple inches of rain for areas that need in the south florida but up near tampa, unfortunately, flooding from the storm. that looks like the real threat for the next couple days. alex? >> thank you so much steve. new orleans today remembered those lost in hurricane katrina ten years ago. a wreath-laying ceremony was hold honor the more than 1800 people who perished as a result of the storm. msnbc's trymaine lee who won a pulitzer for his coverage at the "times-picayune" joins me. i'm curious your sense of the mood in the city today. what are you feeling? >> i tell you what, alex, here in the french quarter it's business as usual. tourists are hopping on and off of buses. they're taking pictures in front of jackson square. but when you talk to people native to this city who had to
shoulder the brunt of so much including the initial tragedy and then the long and arduous recovery process, they're still feeling the weight and burden of those things so while to some degree it feels like it's business as usual, for so many in this community morning the loss of 1800 people, mourning the loss of huge part of their city, remember 80% of the city underwater, for those folks it's a somber and sad reminder of what happened. >> trymaine, you've been spending weeks now taping these reports about new orleans ten years later. what is your prevailing take away from all the people you've spoken and all you've seen? >> i think the big take away is kind of a call they've been saying for a long time, don't forget about us. and while you can put makeup on the city, you can cover up the wounds and fix the broken glass and buildings, there's a piece of those who survived this devastating tragedy, there's a piece of them still hurting,
still missing, a big hole in this city. when you go to the lower ninth ward and see that community is as ravaged as ever, it looks like part of it is a jungle with plots of land overgrown and broken down houses. 100,000 fewer african-americans in this community than before the storm. to get that back, people are still hoping for something. one woman told me earlier it's like we're still in the storm. the take away is it looks like. there have been a bunch of progress but that progress has not come without a lot of sacrifice and loss and continued sacrifice for the people of new orleans. >> how much has yet to be done? on the heels of your description, i understand there's some 20,000 to 30,000 homes that remain uninhabitable and messed up and they're still there. how do they recover from that? how do they move past that? >> i think there have been a lot of efforts policy wise and an infusion of federal money. a billion dollars in federal dollars have been pumped into
this. the initial road home money was in shambles, it didn't land the way it was supposed to. there was a lot of abuses in the system from the government down. so that's yet to be seen ten years later here we are, 20,000 to 30,000 properties still damaged and many are located in the hardest-hit communities. the poor and african-american communities that helped create so much of the culture everyone loves. the food, the music, the sweet manner which so many people exhibit day in day out. that remains in peril. so those communities, 20,000 to 30,000 homes, it's an eyesore no one has figured out to heal just yet. the mayor and state and federal officials have been touting the partnership of the administration on the ground but it's not lost on anyone that the recovery, it's about the resilience of people rising up and pushing through so much adversity. >> trymaine lee, thank you and so much excellent reporting.
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hick is -- hillary clinton is taking a break from the campaign trail today. yesterday she went right after the republican party's leading candidate. >> today the party of lincoln has become the party of trump. >> joining me now is olivia nucci and bob cusack, managing editor for the hill. olivia, you heard hillary clinton say the party of lincoln is the party of trump. how far might that get her? >> i think in the general
election were it to be hillary versus trump, however unlikely that seems, that would get her far. the general population i don't think is full of trump supporters. however right now trump has nothing to lose, he's outrageous, he will say anything and i think he would be particularly vicious in a debate where hillary clinton whereas she has a lot to lose. she can not be as vicious and outrageous and i think it can damage her right now. >> bob, one of the top stories on the hill's web site is hillary clinton and resetting her strategy. the fact she's going after trump, is that part of that strategy? >> yes, it is. and i think her remarks yesterday on trump were effective. she's using humor. at these press conferences when she's talking about the e-mail controversy she looks uptight, she's defensive. i think this is a reset of her campaign because of her poll numbers which generally speaking are very good but they have been going down especially with the
headlines on the e-mail. so this is a pivot by the clinton campaign. >> i'm curious, bob. why go after donald trump? >> do you think the clinton campaign thinks he will be the republican presidential nominee? >> i think they're not sure but certainly the dnc is going after jeb bush in various press releases. but i think the base likes that. obviously the liberal base is not a big fan of donald trump so going after him because, listen, trump has been going after hillary clinton on a daily basis. it's a counterpunch. i think it's effective. >> a few days ago hillary clinton compared several republican candidates to terrorists. olivia, is this part of her strategy and do comments like this suggest any december separation or this one of those all is fair in politics as it might be in love and war as the saying goes. >> i think it's significantly desperate. to compare republican candidates to terrorists is outrageous and i'm surprised more people aren't calling at her to apologize.
it was unfortunate comparison and it sets terrible things about where she must feel like her campaign is right now. it was an outrageous remark. >> i should say that donald trump in his live comments said she should call that back. but speaking of donald trump, i want to listen to what he said about how his use of the term anchor baby has been perceived versus jeb bush's use of that term. listen. >> jeb has a memo he signed basically a politically correct memo. you know, don't say this, don't say. that all these thing, pages of stuff. but one of the thing, never use the term "anchor baby." so all of a sudden he's using the term anchor baby this last week. and with me when i use it nobody criticizes me. they expect me, that i gave up. [ laughter ] with time, they killed him, they killed him. it didn't stop. >> how long, bob, do you think
donald trump by his own admission will be able to get away with things and saying things that would hurt other candidates? >> well, i mean, hi said a lot of things that people thought would be the end of his campaign, whether it was saying john mccain isn't a war hero or other issues going after various people in the media right now he is teflon, his poll numbers go higher and higher, people keep thinking well, he can't crack 20%, can't track 25%. now he's over 30% in some polls. any time he's faces with that he can point to the polls and he is doing extremely well and especially in states like iowa and new hampshire. if you win iowa and new hampshire you're going to be the nominee, history says. a long way to go but he's doing well. >> why is that that hillary clinton can say things and get criticized, donald trump can say things equally outrageous if not more so and just get applauded for doing it? >> when you talk to trump supporters what they like about
him most is that he's not critically correct so i think a lot of statements that make us in the media clutch our pearls and say, oh, my gosh, how could he get away with that has his supporters nodding and applauding and happy that anyone is out there saying anything outrageous. even if they don't agree it with. people who -- his supporters are very aware of his background supporting democratic policies, they're aware of the fact he's not really as authentic as maybe a ted cruz but they like that he's out there, he's punching out at people, saying whatever he wants about jeb bush and he's fearless. i think that's what attracts people to him. >> can i ask you quickly about the rand paul campaign? the title of your latest article "why rand is campaigning in nowheresville." where exactly is that and what's behind that strategy? >> rand paul went to alaska, he went to utah, he went to wyoming, he went to places that candidates don't frequent very
often." the strategy, i think, is to sort of mimic what his father did in 2012. is these are places his father did very well in, that either won or came in second and third place. rand st. paul in a position where he needs the support of his father's backers whereas when he got into the senate in 2010 he was sort of trying to convince the establishment gop that he was not as ring as his father in his believes and that he could take more mainstream positions and be appealing to both the mainstream and the libertarian base that put him into office. whereas now he's compromised too much and he's in the position of having to backtrack and convince his father's base of supporters he'll still one of them. so you see him taking trips other candidates aren't taking as a way to try to do that, to try to speak to these people one on one. >> bob, who do you think is in the best position to give donald trump long-term a run for his
money? >> well that's a very good question. i think you've got to look at two candidates right now, marco rubio and john kasich. they're viewed as more moderate than others in the field but also viewed as more electable than others on the right such as ted cruz who i think would struggle to win independent voters in a general election. kasich has had a big surge in new hampshire and he's ahead of jeb bush right now. jeb bush won't do well in iowa. if he finishes in the top 5 that would be considered a victory. but in new hampshire he is expected to win or be in the top two. if he doesn't finish in the top two in new hampshire, that's a bad sign for jeb bush who has been struggling. so i think kasich and rubio. rubio did well in the debate, has not gotten a bounce but his campaign are comfortable where they are so watch those two. >> okay, bob cusack and olivia nuzzi, thank you so much.
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the highly publicized shooting of two journalists and a third person is bringing new attention to this week to a particularly american problem -- mass shootings. the u.s. is number one in mass shootings with just 5% of the world's population. the u.s. accounts for nearly one-third of the world's mass shooters. let's bring in adam langford. he's just presented a report to the american ceasocialogical association. i want to talk about the firearms in the hands of the american public. you found the number is just a contributing factor in gun violence. more importantly, nain fact, as the "washington post"
paraphrased you, "it's the social strains of the american life, the false promise of the american dream which guarantees a level of success that can't always be achieved through hard work and sheer well pill power." how do these pressures translate to more mass shootings. >> well, overall the united states has about one-third of public mass shooters over a more than 40-year span. in particular, i found that 62% of total shooters at school and workplace settings with for the united states. so question is what's going on with our students and employees. it appears the problem is not simply where they are now. these are not people who are struggling to survive in the literal sense. the problem is the gap between where they are now and their lofty dreams, delusions of grandeur, their sense of entitlement to and pressure to achieve tremendous things. so essentially it's the gap that causes the strain and when you add in kind of broken dreams,
mental illness and access to guns for these specific individuals it becomes a major problem. >> and those virginia slayings we saw an extensive use of social media by the guaneman. while this case isn't technically a mass shooting. how much do you think the need to be recognized plays into the psyche of mass shooters? >> it's a major factor. obviously this isn't the first time we've seen this. columbine, virginia tech, sandy hook, uc santa barbara last summer. these were all incidents where the attackers wanted recognition, attention and fame. in fact, a lot of people don't know the sandy hook shooter who killed those elementary school kids, he specifically participated in online debates about previous shooters and what made them famous and why and how he could get fans for mass murder. so the scary thing looking ahead is it seems like these attackers are competing with each other
for attention and they either do that by killing more victims or, as we saw this week, killing them differently. shooting people on live tv, filming it himself. he was essentially innovate ago new way to get attention. >> with all the opportunities we've had in this country, 09 mass shooters in less than 50 years. have we made any progress in learning how to spot potential threats? >> i guess the good news, you can say, is that because these attacks are pre-meditated, that does give us an opportunity over the weeks and months while they're planning these attacks to see the warning signs and sometimes, frankly, they don't keep them really that hidden. so both at columbine and virginia tech the students committed creative writing assignments where they'd written about committing shootings and it wasn't taken seriously then. now we realize every threat must be taken seriously. you don't joke about bombs at an
airport and you don't joke about mass shootings. >> once a potential threat is identified, are the legal and social service systems in this country equipped to deal with those who pose a potential danger? >> that's a problem and the relish shoe there is the legal restrictions. it's really hard to get someone institutionalized against their will these days but on this issue of attention, i guess what i would say positively is these attackers want attention and sometimes they actually want to be helped so so i'd encourage people to say if you know someone who has a problem, reach out to them, give them positive attention in terms of telling them you want to help them voluntarily get help and that might avert the next disaster. >> from the university of alabama, thank you very much, good discussion. appreciate it. >> thank you. what happens if congress rejects that nuclear deal with iran? our predictions of dire consequences -- are predictions of dire consequences realistic? that's next. reze.
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welcome back to week we understand alex witt. let's start this half in nashville where donald trump wrapped up another speech with an hour-long message. he struck similar themes, mentioning his business success and strength as negotiator that appear to be gaining traction with republican voters across this country. >> there have been 15 copies of "the apprentice." every single one of them failed. then a reporter said to me "why do you think that is? i said "because i'm special." [ laughter ] i sort of meant it, to be honest, right? . we never doubted he meant it. nbc's ali vitale is live in nashville. how was mr. trump received by the audience today? >> well, the audience here as i'm finding is loving him. we did see people out here, there was a ben carson truck parked outside the event. there were people with ted cruz
stickers on. rick santorum will be here later. i didn't get a chance to talk to many of his supporters but the people i talked to were very pro-trump. i talked to one woman and she said she's been a life long republican and if he ran as an independent she would vote that way as well some what we're seeing is traction gaining, like you mentioned in your lead and while his stump speech today was more of your typical trump, hitting on the issues we're used to hearing him talk about, he added nashville flair when he decided to say there's personal history with him with the city of nashville dealing indirectly with how he aspired to and did buy trump towers in new york, one of his most famous pieces of real estate in the city. so we've seen this happening in the past few weeks even when we were in mobile, he's been taking his standard stump, his general talking point but adding local flair.
>> let's listen to trump disc s discussing immigration. specifically the issue of dreamers. here's that. >> coming over today i saw that they were having the illegal immigrants come in and somebody mentioned the term "the dreamers" have to do with children and the dreams of children. and these are people that come over the country, they're deemers. i said what about our children? why can't our children be the dreamers? nobody ever talks about that. [ cheers and applause ] no, no, nobody ever talks about that. >> he brought up immigration several times during the speech. what was the reaction? >> the reaction here is typically one of support. i think people are liking his lack of political correctness on the issue. he doesn't use the terms we've been so accustomed to using and people like that bluntness from him. we were talking to people outside who were saying the same thing. there were immigration protesters out here. they weren't so close to the venue but we could hear them and i ran down and spoke to them.
so they were here but the crowd didn't seem phased by that. most crowds have had that same reaction. >> msnbc's ali vitali. thank you from nashville. >> let's go back to the nuclear deal and the white house pitch to democrats. it seems to be working as tom karper became the next democrat to bring the president closer to his critical numbers. 34 is the number of votes needed to sustain a presidential veto and 41 is needed to block cloture and keep legislation against the deal stuck in the upper chamber. nicholas burns is a professor of international relations at the harvard kennedy school and a former u.s. ambassador to nato, a proponent of the deal reached with iran. ambassador burns, nice to have you back on the broadcast. >> thank you. >> i want to ask you about the white house in terms of where it stands. is it short of the vote it needs but you simo men tum? >> oh, i think it's almost
inevitable now that president obama is going to have the votes in the senate and house he needs to sustain a veto. you've real real momentum in the last two weeks with democratic senators and representatives announcing their support. wrong the republican critics have been able to make a convincing case that there there's a credible alternative to what the president has been proposing. >> these quick couple weeks you mentioned, what do you attribute that? >> i think members have had six weeks to digest a very complicated dealment this is a tough deal because there are benefits to the united states but risks as well. i think a lot of members understand this is one of the most important votes they'll ever take as a member of the senate or house so in -- i've testified many times, four times on capitol hill. i've met with members in the last several weeks and they're taking it seriously. many members have read the entire agreement. they've gone four or five levels deep on the substance. they're talking to both critics as well as supporters as they
should and i see a degree of seriousness in the democratic party among those waivering right now. but as they digest the deal, the critical aspect of this is there is no effective alternative that the critics have proposed that would work for the united states. in we walk away from this negotiation and hope for a bert one as some of the critics are saying, that's a scenario where iran succeeds and we lose influence internationally. >> ambassador, i know you remember all the talk before congress went on vacation about the side deals with iran and the iaea. do you think the fact we're seeing these last couple weeks the momentum turn this way that those concerns have been alleviated? >> i think there's a profound concern that iran could end up trying to cheat. in fact, i expect iran probably will. but secretary ernest moniz has been very effective in capitol hill, very effective in our national debate in assuring people that the other international atomic energy agency will have a technical means to be able to verify
whether iran's complying in the existing facilities. if iran tries to cheat by building secret facilities, the game is up, the deal is violated and we go back to confrontation. that argue system not as strong now for the republican critics as it was a month ago. >> if this deal clears the congressional hurdle, what do you think are the specific actions iran could take over the next few years that would leave the united states and allies to snap back the sanctions. >> well, i think the key element will be holding iran to a zero tolerance policy. if they're small infractions, we should call the iranians on that. after all, this is a government in tehran that is consistently lied to the united nations and the iaea about their nuclear
activities over the last 25 year years. >> here's what democratic candidate alan grayson had to say about making this decision. >> people are telling me if the deal falls through than iran will come back to the negotiating table and night a deal that's better for us. i have other people telling me if the deal fall us there either iran will have a bomb by the enof the year and all their money that they're not getting now because they haven't been paid and in addition to that we might have a war on our hands. one of them is horribly wrong, i don't know which one yet. >> i know it sounds simplified but which of the two sides is closer to the truth in your estimation? >> i don't agree we they are of
the scenarios. i don't believe that war is inevitable. if we don't go forward with a nuclear agreement. the iranians understand the power of the united states and israel. i don't think the iranians would accelerate their program and invite a military response so there i've disagreed with the obama administration. but neither do i believe that by walking away from the deal and trying to sanction them on our own because we would be alone in walking away, that's somehow better for the united states. i think if those -- if that's how the issue is being framed, i don't think it's been framed in a correct way. and i get back -- i see benefits and risks. and i certainly appreciate the risks long-term, but i think the benefits outweigh the risks, trying diplomacy first makes real sense to the united states. we're stronger than the iranians should the deal fall apart because the iranians have violated it. the united states will have the military means to impose our will if we have to and i think that's the best course so i support what president obama is trying to do. >> former ambassador nicholas burn, welcome back to the
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today wreaths with laid in new orleans where nearly 100 unclaimed victims of hurricane katrina are interred. joining me now is the author of "katrina, after the flood" and a reporter from the "washington post" who wrote an article about the resilience of new orleans following that storm. gary, i'll reach out to you first because a lot went wrong in new orleans before, during, and after katrina. much of the blame has been put on politicians. in your book you compare then mayor ray nagin to osama bin laden, richard nixon and willy wonka. can you explain why? >> well, you know, it was new
orleans's great misfortune to have a neophyte in charge at the time. he didn't have allies and experience. he was in over his head and it was a wasted four years, the first four years after katrina as far as the rebuilding. >> gary, you wrote about how after the storm there was a specter of a katrina cleansing. what was that? were the fears of that well founded? >> there were some powerful white business people who saw katrina as their opportunity to change new orleans, to change it demographically. it was 68% black city at the time and to change it politically. it was a black-run city and i'll point out that today new orleans has 100,000 less black residents than it did at the time of katrina, a city of 450,000 and within five years a white mayor, a white supermajority in the council, white police chief, white prosecutor and so on. >> so how did class play a role in the recovery?
you compare new orleans east with the lower ninth ward. how were people treated differently? >> it came down more to class. there was a program called rode home, $10 billion program in u.s. history but the formula was based on appraised value. the worth of the home at the time of kat kat rather than replacement value. basically a home in the white community was appraised at twice the worth of a home in in black community so everyone, lower income blacks, working class blacks, middle income blacks were left short. they didn't get enough money to rebuild so a program that was supposed to make people whole gave more money on the white side of town than the black community and that's why there are are so many fewer african-americans today in the city. >> but gary is that a problem of a class distinction or that a racial distinction? >> well, that's a racial distinction but it's interesting to compare new orleans east black middle-class professional class community ten years after katrina it's about 80% back. you look at the lower ninth ward
which is the lower income black community it's one-third back ten years after katrina. so add one more element, you had lake view, a prosperous white community, it's 100% back after katrina. so it's race and class. >> manuel, you write about gentrification in your article, getting gentrified is what some locals are calling it. how do long time residents feel about this change and how are newer residents dealing with this? >> they're trepidatious and the changes that have taken place that have pushed african-americans out of neighborhoods that are really core to the identity of the african-american community in new orleans like treme, made famous in an hbo series. the place where they have second lines and jazz funerals and it sizzles as a part of new orleans. but at the same time, there's this other sort of feeling about what's happening in new orleans and that the economy has improved a lot and there's a lot of new energy in the city and so it is a mixed bag when you ask
people about what new orleans feels like ten years after katrina. >> interesting, manuel, you quote writer chris rose who you say puts it best. "the longer you live in new orleans the more unfit you become to live anywhere else." can you explain what he means? >> if you walk through new orleans and talk to people who have lived there for a long time, they are sure to introduce you to somebody who either had left new orleans before katrina or just felt that they had to come back down to the place. it whittles into your soul. it gets into your heart. there's one of the -- this is one of the great cities in america. it has a magical hold on people. and it pulls them back. it tugs them. it turns them into something that they weren't. you'll talk to people about having transformations once they go into new orleans and never wanting to leave. >> can i ask you about this brain magnet? you say people are coming to new orleans, it's a brain magnet.
what is that about? >> there's been a real tech boom in new orleans. you have these towers downtown and they're filling up with people who come from kansas and boston, who come from the west coast. and they are starting tech businesses. businesses that they could locate in san francisco on austin or any other place in the country. but the difference is that these folks come to new orleans and they feel like they can be a part of something that is special. and it also -- the scope of the city, the scale of the city makes these people feel as if, wow, they can actually have an impact. that they might not be able to have in a place that is bigger like new york. >> all right. well manuel and gary, thank you so much. good talking with you both. >> they were heartbreaking responses to the question, i wish my teacher knew. now another question has students writing again, and that's next.
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a third grade teacher in denver gave her students an assignment to complete the sentence i wish my teacher knew. she shared heartbreaking notes online. i wish my teacher knew my reading log is not signed because my mother is not aaround a lot. and now students write about their critical needs for a $25,000 worth of grants. joining me now is kyle shorts, and the interview was compelling. and how many schools are potentially going to be able to be helped by this? >> yeah, the exciting thing is that the lowe's tool box for education program is celebrating the 10th anniversary with the letter to lowe's where four schools will get $25,000 each to
make their schools a great place to be. >> that is great. four schools are in line. according to the department of education, 50% of public schools require repairs to put buildings in good condition. 53%. so how are you going to be able to make selections from the finalists? >> well, this program is really about students' voice. so students will work together with teachers to tell lowe's what their school needs so they can write in to lowe's.com and think creatively about what the school needs. maybe it is a playground or technology improvements. so it is really help filling the gap that you just mentioned between what schools have and what our kids need to have really wonderful places to learn and grow. >> you know, do you ever think that the first project of yours, the assignment you gave, i wish my teacher knew, would turn into a nationwide effort to improve schools? >> i, of course, didn't think it
would take off every day. teachers are on the frontline every day and wee see it ourselves and i'm glad the conversation has been sparked, far past the walls of our school. so it has been really exciting to see how people are stepping up to the plate and really building this community. so places like lowe's have been in this and doing this work for over ten years. they've reached 10,000 schools and 6 million kids and given out $45 million and i want more schools and k-12 teachers like me to take advantage of this. >> kyle, can you give me the one takeaway from the previous assignment when the kids answered what their teacher wished they knew. >> the one takeaway for me is how important it is to make the students feel heard and how important it is to make them feel cared about and this is another great program to do that. >> kyle schwartz, i said it last
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