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it will be a great drama tonight. >> mike. >> i've learned that continually i have no idea how the ben carson thing is -- that phenomenon is beyond me. >> leave it there. >> i learned that steve schmidt believed the gary busey meatloaf fight might have been fake. >> on that note we go to "the rundown," straight ahead. good morning to you on josé díaz-balart in new york. welcome to debate day. we're hours away from the second faceoff of the republican presidential candidates. donald trump will once again be center stage, flanked by ben carson and jeb bush. join the main stage, carly fiorina, the only woman in the race for the gop nomination. but all the fire will be directed at donald trump. every poll released over the past 65 days shows him leading the pack, including the one out tuesday. it's not just republicans taking notice. vice president joe biden is weighing in for the first time. >> this will pass.
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the trump and that stuff you're hearing on the other team and not just the other -- this isn't about democrat/republican, it's about a sick message. this message has been tried on america many times before. we always, always, always, always, always overcome it. >> msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt is outside the ronald reagan presidential library in southern california, the site of tonight's debate. early morning to you. what a night it will be. >> a very early good morning to you from california, josé. more than ever the republican party wants to be the party of reagan. they go to reagan dinners. they've gone back to his alma mater to give speeches. now the debate stage at his library. it all raises the question of whether ronald reagan could even get elected in california today. >> ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan. >> i was a big fan of -- a very
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big fan of ronald reagan. >> today republicans make the pilgrimage to debate at the reagan library in simi valley where reagan acted and then governed. he has become a republican legend. here in california his once grand old party is all but extinct. the last one to win statewide was another actor turned politician but the gop hasn't been back since. democrats dominate sacramento. meg whitman last her race for governor in 2010. 2016 presidential candidate carly fiorina lost badly in her recent bid for senate. >> that's a generational issue, honestly. people are beginning to figure out that progressive policies that democrats have pursued in that state for decades are literally destroying people's lives. >> reporter: republicans argue a socially moderate candidate could help the party come back
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to power in california. even the state's top republican in washington has to admit, it's an uphill climb. so you still maintain it's not all that lonely to be a republican in california? >> oh, it's lonely. when you throw a party you know everybody in the room. >> reporter: the national gop brand can be a problem in california, and the presidential race is dredging up an issue that many say poisoned the well in the first place. >> point to a single factor, it would have to be latino -- the way latinos have turned against the republican party and the way republicans have damaged themselves against latino voters. >> reporter: he might not have fit so well in today's republican party. >> i believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and who have lived here. >> reporter: contrast that with frontrunner donald trump, as a pro-immigration group is doing in this new ad. >> they're bringing crime. if i am elected they're going to be out day one. >> reporter: that hasn't stopped trump from invoking ronald reagan's name to defend his own evolving views. >> well, i think they have a
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point from years ago, but they also have that same point with ronald reagan, who was a democrat absolutely with a liberal bent. and ronald reagan became, not only a republican but a pretty conservative republican. not the most but a pretty conservative republican. >> reporter: we'll never know what ronald reagan would have thought about donald trump's taking center stage here at his presidential library, josé. we do know that trump is at least re-popularizing a slogan that reagan used to use, which is let's make america great again. >> kasie hunt in california. stay with me. we've got more information this morning from the "new york times"/cbs news poll. not only is trump the preferred candidate but a pleurality of gop voters think he is the strongest candidate who can win them back the white house. nick, how do you see the numbers? >> he is a real candidate now. he can't be written off as a fluke or summer with a summer
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romance. people are saying he could be the nominee for the actual general election. >> he'll never get the x threshold and he won't cross the 20 threshold. he won't cross the 22 thresholds. he is crossing all of them. >> he's proven all of us wrong every time. >> trump might be leading but he's also the candidate more gop voters say they'd never support. is that a fractured polarizing or about a unique candidate? >> i would say it's both. donald trump is an incredibly polarizing candidate but at the same time it's almost like a car wreck that you can't take your eyes off of him. people are excited about him, even though they may not necessarily like him. and getting back to your last question, josé, i really think you cannot underestimate donald trump. we've consistently been doing that. he may well end up in the general election. we can't discard that possibility. i think that hillary clinton, joe biden, bernie sanders, have
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to keep him seriously in their calculations. >> so trump has clearly solid support in the polls. but how does he grow? how does he get support from the people who let's say find jeb bush or marco rubio someone they could support? >> reporter: well, josé, i think you've been seeing that in these polls. we talked a lot about whether or not donald trump could crack that 30% threshold. he actually has, even as ben carson has been coming up behind him. you'll notice that trump has not lost anywhere near the level of support that we've seen carson grow over the course of the past couple of weeks. and i think that really tells you a lot about where the republican party is and how angry they are right now. and it also, i think, says that, you know, trump's attacks may not work on the outsider type of candidates. carly fiorina is another example of somebody who has been rising even as trump has now recently started to go after her. that has not held true for the conventional candidates, for people like marco rubio, jeb bush in particular has dropped since the last debate and scott
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walker who really faces a tough test tonight. >> victoria, kasie was talking in her story about the impact, for example, on california politics and the latino vote. what happened with reagan. and it's such a different s semantic we're hearing now in the republican party vis-a-vis immigration and the way they're talking also. will it have an impact long-term? >> i think so, josé. history is our best lesson here. when was the moment when california went from being a mildly republican state to a solidly democratic state? it was in 1994 when governor pete wilson put forward prop 187 which essentially said illegal immigrants cannot get any benefits, they can't go to public schools, they can't show up in emergency rooms. that is what mobilized the latino population in california to get out and vote, to register to vote. that's when we saw the tide turn
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to the democratic party. and i think that we might see a macro level effect with donald trump if he keeps rising in the polls where nationally latinos will say, we can't let this stand. we need to mobilize and get our turnout numbers up. we may see a prop 187 effect nationally come 2016. >> nick, when it comes to tonight, what should the candidates be doing and not doing? >> it's mad max 3. survival. kill or be killed. the main thing is carly fiorina. she will change the balance. first woman on the main stage in the debate. she has been the most effective at getting under donald trump's skin. the only one so far who has ever done so. really i think it's a carly/trump collision on the stage there. >> the other candidates that we're going to have supposedly a big platform, they're just not having it. >> there are four candidates on the undercard. in some ways it's great advertising for them. an hour and 45 minutes for the
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four guys who can't afford to put up tv ads. that will be special for those men. >> nick, thank you very much. victoria and kasie hunt. to the latest on the mass migration from the middle east to europe. hungary's decision to close the border from serbia. cutting off the main route to germany and other places as well. this group of migrants found another way. the first wave of people to arrive in croatia. nearly 300 of them according to the interior minister. they can bypass hungary and reach austria. but getting from there to germany is getting more difficult. authorities in berlin this morning shut down train traffic from salisbury, austria. hundreds of migrants left the train station to try to make the trip to germany on foot. each development complicates the journey for people seeking asylum in europe. the situation changing every
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hour, thousands finding themselves with no real idea of where they're heading next. richard engel is along the serbian/hungarian border. >> reporter: josé, after putting up this fence and deploying troops and police and arresting several dozen people who try tod climb through the fence, hungary has effectively sealed this border. it's difficult and harsh and often criticized policy has been effective. people have been blocked on the serbian side, but not as many as one would have expected. they are there in the hundreds, perhaps a thousand or more. they are not bothering to come to the hungarian border because they know they are not able to get through. so what people are doing is they're looking for ways around hungary. and a new route seems to be emerging through croatia. so, instead of rushing to the hungarian border knowing that there will be backlog there, the serbian government is providing buses or people are paying for buses to get to croatia.
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that is one of the new routes. we'll see how long it is before croatia cracks down or slovenia or austria. another new route is emerging, a land route between turkey and greece. so this flood of migration, like a river, is being dammed here. but is finding new ways. josé. >> richard engel. thank you very much. later this hour i will be joined by mike to talk about what the european union is doing and not doing to handle the crisis. to a developing story out of utah. in less than an hour volunteers in hildale gather to resume their search for the final person still missing after deadly flash floods ripped through the area killing 16. one family has already lost 12 loved ones traveling in a van and suv when the floods hit. four other people found dead. three missing at zion national park. nbc's ron mott is nearby in col
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rado city. >> reporter: the death toll is staggering. it could go as high as 20. the aftermath is almost as staggering as the death toll. they actually unearthed this crushed car yesterday. fortunately we're told it was a parked vehicle with no occupants inside. this car is sitting around all this muddy debris. this is what the rescue crews have to wade through to look for the final person, a child they're looking for here. three others they're looking for at zion national park. this morning we're getting a little bit more information about some of those who were killed. >> the van. dear. >> reporter: shortly after one of three survivors fled the scary scene in search of help as flood waters threatened. >> there goes a van. oh my goodness. oh, dear, it went over the thing! >> reporter: the rapids moved in, sweeping at least a dozen members of one family to their deaths. three sisters and their children. one still missing this morning
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and feared lost as well. >> my name is joseph jesup. this here is my son joseph jesup. my family and my friend's family were swept away in this flash flood. >> joseph jesup, the eldest son of one of the mothers, couldn't reach help in time to save his family. according to distant relatives. >> we know god is guiding all things and trust in him to heal our wounded hearts at this time. i would not like to answer any questions at this time. thank you. >> reporter: officials say the three sisters, ni seen in these family portraits were stopped short of the initial flooding. many in the religious community stood watch throughout the day as cleanup crews cleaned up and
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rescuers continued looking for the last missing person. the utah governor took to twitter yesterday to express his sorrow. four people found dead at zion national park with three remaining unaccounted for into the night. police urged visitors to be careful. >> be extremely careful. this area does flash flood. it doesn't take much. >> reporter: about 25 members of the utah national guard have been called in to assist with the search and cleanup efforts. meantime, a third day now, consecutive day in a row we'll have rain. forecast calling for thunderstorms into the afternoon. also following two developing stories in phoenix, arizona, where a police officer has been shot. reports of another possible shooting along a busy stretch of highway. the phoenix officer is in a hospital emergency room right now after he was shot during a traffic stop. our nbc affiliate there is reporting the officer's injuries are serious but not life-threatening and that he
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took multiple rounds to his vest. police say the shots were fired quickly after the traffic stop began but say it's too early to tell exactly what happened. at the same time police are also investigating an object that struck a car window early this morning on i-10. that's the same area where there have been at least 11 reports of shots being fired at vehicles in the last two weeks. authorities trying to determine if the car was hit by a bullet or something else and if it's connected to previous 11 incidents. we'll continue to follow these two developing stories and bring you much more information as we get them. we're just getting started on this wednesday edition of "the rundown." live from new york city, covering a lot for you including firefighters that are hoping for wet weather to help them gain the upper hand in a wildfire that's already ripped through hundreds of homes. for the first time we're hearing from the only survivor of a shooting that happened live on tv in late august. we're going to have vicky gardner's emotional interview coming up.
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now to a developing story out west where a firestorm continues to burn through california. some 600 homes have been destroyed. containment is up with firefighters continuing to make progress. nbc's miguel almaguer and his crew drove through with fire crews. miguel. >> reporter: here in the mountains only a few roads in and out of the community. we were on one when we hit smoke then flames. we were with veteran firefighters as they hunkered down and this place exploded. this is the eye of a firestorm, a blow torch whipping in multiple directions, on our way home on the only way out, this is what we found.
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you could hear the fury. and feel the intensity. crews tell us these flames are shooting at 40, 50 miles an hour in some places. and even here in the vehicle you can feel the heat. we were with firefighters when the wave of flames exploded. how quickly can this fire take off and jump from hill to hill? >> in a matter of minutes. >> reporter: it looked like a furnace and felt like an often. crews rolled into the mouth of the inferno as we retreated to their safety zone. you could see this blaze was out of control. and you could hear this monster feeding on these drought-stricken mountains. >> it sounds like the sucking sound that people describe it as a jet plane. >> reporter: when the fire torches in these trees the immediate concern isn't necessarily the flames which are intense, it's the embers. they can travel for miles. those embers and hot ash sent crews scrambling, a vehicle catching fire. one firefighter called this
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biblical, conditions few will ever see. because we were on a two-lane road with experienced firefighters, the danger was as minimal as it can be in a hot zone like this. fortunately no homes were lost. ultimately this fire moved into an area that had burned just a few years ago and the blaze burned itself out. josé. >> miguel almaguer, stay safe. after the break we'll zoom through some of today's other top stories including supporters trying to save the life of a man on oklahoma's death row. plus, elton john boasting about a talk he had online request vladimir putin. did they really talk? we'll explain next. stay with choice hotels two times and earn a free night. did they really talk? we'll explain next. wvladimir pu. did they really talk? we'll explain next. ivladimir pu. did they really talk? we'll explain next. thvladimir p. did they really talk? we'll explain next. with vladimir putin. did they really talk? we'll explain next. food have? 18%? 20?
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attention this morning. watch as a new jersey lineman rips off another player's helmet and then hit him on the head with it. the wounded player had to go to the hospital where he got ten stitches. the linden player flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct but not kicked off the game. police and school officials are investigating. this afternoon oklahoma is scheduled to execute a man on death row for the past 18 years for his role in a murder for hire plot. yesterday his attorneys said they have new evidence and asked the governor for a 60-day stay. he has gained several high-profile supporters including the woman known as the dead man walking nun. hewlett packard says it will cut 10% of the work force. hp is splitting the company in two in november with most of the cuts coming from its enterprise business which focuses on
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business computers and services. the other side focuses on personal computers and printers. another story merging the world of entertainment and politics. last week elton john called on vladimir putin to end a tax on lgbt supporters in his country. going so far as to say he would love to meet the leader. yesterday he posted on instagram a picture thanking him for the call. a putin spokesman says the call never happened. the question is who did he speak with? president obama ramps up the pressure on congress to avoid another government shutdown. the man who wants to be president is taking major heat from latino voters in a new poll. we'll talk about the spokes woman for the tea party leadership fund next on "the rundown." can protect capital long term.
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m . a live look at the new york stock exchange. executives with the miss america organization and newly crowned miss america herself, betty cantrell, there to ring the opening bell. we're keeping a close watch on the market today ahead of a huge federal reserve announcement tomorrow. the fed could raise interest rates for the first time in nine years. take a look at that. it's just starting. we're up only about seven points. just seconds into the trading day. just hours away, however, from the republican debate tonight. one candidate, the frontrunner, donald trump, is spending the final moments ahead of the main event pushing his main message. here is trump last night. doubling down on his criticism of undocumented immigrants. >> they're disgusted when they tell the border patrol agents, who are good people and can do the job, they're disgusted when they're allowed to people just walk right in front of them and they're standing there helpless and people just pour into the country. they're disgusted when a woman
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who is nine months pregnant walks across the border, has a baby, and you have to take care of that baby for the next 85 years. >> trump's comments on illegal immigration are not apparently helping him with latino voters. the latest msnbc telemundo poll shows 70% of latinos have a negative opinion of him. let me bring in donald trump supporter and spokeswoman for the tea party leadership fund katrina pierson. thank you for being with me. do you think donald trump is alienating himself and possibly the republican party from the growing and crucial bloc of latino voters in this country? >> i was at the donald trump event in dallas the other night. there were plenty of latinos in the building. i think what we're seeing is the donald not pandering like most politicians do. you can't make everyone happy all the time. the reason this is happening is
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because for decades we have not had honest media out there talking about the pros and cons of illegal immigration, which is what so many people have been feeling along the way. >> that discussion, i think you will agree with me, is an important one to have. because the fact is whether you're liberal or conservative, democrat or republican, most people agree that immigration in this country is broken. and that's something that i think most americans think is a correct fact. but it's how you talk about it, how you bring up these issues. and then what you see as the solution to this broken problem that has, i think, a lot of people wondering if mr. trump is actually doing so in the best interests of the country and also, don't you think words matter? >> well, i'm really glad you agree that we should have the discussion. unfortunately, when someone does try to have the discussion they get shut down and they're called a racist or a bigot. for example, you talk about how we do these things, the system is broken, yes. but why? because current laws are not
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being enforced and those laws are deportation. that is one of the reforms that people want. people want the process to be put back in place for people who aren't supposed to be here. here is the thing. in texas we don't experience the people that you call dreamers, people who just want to come here to have jobs. we have people dying here in texas. you go and talk to the family felicia ruiz, killed, stand 25 times by dreamers and one who fled back to venezuela. josh wilkerson here in texas was murdered. not only was he murdered, he was declothed, bound and set on fire in a field. we can't have a discussion on how to stop this? >> well, katrina, because when you talk about dreamers and you talk about the people who have been brought here as children, many of them know no other country, when you're talking about that and lump in together a care and horrible case, a number of horrible cases of people who have done horrible things and shouldn't be in the united states and should be in
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jail here or anywhere else, when you lump those two things together, aren't you, in a way, doing what you are saying that the media hasn't been doing a good enough job of, which is lumping things together and not getting down to the real important discussion? >> absolutely not. i think it's the other way around. i think the media and the liberal politicians ignore what i just talked about, and they lump everybody else in with the good guys. and that's not the case. i mean, we have politicians right now today saying gang members aren't coming over here, and that's exactly why little ruiz was killed. so yes, there is a problem. yes, it needs to be dealt with. but also, yeah, you want to say people go to jail for crimes they commit here. guess what. we have sanctuary cities. people are let go. there is no catch and release program for americans who violate the law but there is for illegals. >> this discussion is an important one. i also think we have to be aware
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that lumping things together that are not related -- young people who have been brought here through no fault of their own and who know no other country and who are doing an extraordinary job of trying to make this their country and actually take equity in it, i think those things of lumping things together are not positive. but you know what, katrina, it's important that we have this discussion and i'm really glad that you're having it with me today. i appreciate your time. >> happy to do it. take care. to developments from the nation's capitol. in two hours president obama will meet with ceos of some of the nation's biggest country. nbc senior white house correspondent chris jansing joins us. >> reporter: i think the first thing josé, he will be preaching to the choir. these group of ceos are ones who don't want a government shutdown any more than the president does. they believe the stability, the predictability, is important to spur investment. so they start with sort of an
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equal footing. there are a couple questions that we're looking at closely in terms of the government shutdown. the first one, which you'll hear from the president today, is about a proposal that he is on board with that would get rid of a big tax break for private equity managers. this is something that has very little chance of getting through this repeal, getting through a republican congress. having said that, a couple key presidential candidates are now backing it. donald trump and jeb bush, who do not agree on a lot of things, would like to see this tax break repealed. you'll hear the president talk about some of the domestic programs that he would like to use that money for, things like infrastructure and education. on the opposite end of the spectrum, you will hear him criticizing republicans for the potential of a government shutdown. as you know, the big discussion there has been over the funding of planned parenthood. this is not something that makes either john boehner or mitch mcconnell very comfortable, but having said that, there are certainly quite a few conservatives in congress
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pushing that. this is a very influential group in terms of the economy. the list ranges from at&t, xerox, mastercard, walmart. jpmorg jpmorgan, general electric to name just a few. the president will make his case for how to avoid a government shutdown. i think you'll also hear him touting what he believes are some of the key accomplishments of his administration and why he has, he believes that he has credibility in this area from the stock market tripling from the time he took office to him fulfilling what a lot of republican candidates said they would do, which is to bring unemployment down below 6%. as you know, josé, it's at 5.1%. also a q & a session. >> chris jansing, thank you very much for being with me. the mass migration of a half million people is putting a nearly unprecedented strain on the european union. the coalition of nations formed
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after world war ii. so far it's not holding up well at all. next week eu interior ministers meet again to discuss their approach to the crisis. so far attempts to come up with a cohesive policy have fallen apart. turning nations against each other as they try to accept them to accept thousands of migrants who may or may not want to go there. mikey, great to see you. what's going on in europe? they can't get their act together. the solution is let's have a meeting next week? >> let's look at the european union, josé. whenever you try to get 28 individual countries to agree on anything which has to do with the politics, economics or security, it's very difficult. we saw that with the sovereign debt crisis. hungary has gdp of a hundred billion and then others with four trillion. a huge difference in revenues. you have to look at the welfare states. uk has a fantastic welfare
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state. you get housing and unemployment benefits. many people from india and pakistan have been accepted into the uk and now exist at 66 million. go to somewhere like hungary, it's very different. checko slovakia is very different. they're poorer nations. you have to look at that. it's not about apportioning a quota to hungary or the uk. you have to look at the systems within to understand how difficult it is or how easy it is to accept those people. >> the number of people, how overpopulated they may be. everybody talks about hungary because they have been putting up the fences. >> viktor orban, far right wing. >> they use this. but is hungary the bad guy in this player? they have been the epicenter of a lot of the arrivals and people want to use it as a transit point. but is hungary to blame? >> it's a very fine balance. what viktor orban is doing is
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espousing this far right-wing kind of ideology which is kind of inflaming what the initial problem is. if he is already bursting at the seams in his welfare system, then it would seem curious to sort of invite more people in when his country is already broken. here is the thing. in europe at the moment ever since the jihadist threat has risen in the middle east there has been a rising of the far right-wing parties in germany, france, the uk. they've become more popular. and they've become more popular because of their anti-immigration policies. so there has to be a balance here. this is why you see people like cameron hedging his bets, not wanting to accept a lot of asylum seekers because it will then maybe appeal to the more right-wing components of the uk, for example, which will make those parties more popular. i think the more moderate politicians, the merkels,
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camerons, the . >> they continue arriving and there is no end in sight. there is no end in sight to what's going on in syria, libya, in countries that have received thousands or millions of people like lebanon and jordan have for decades. >> i did a 30-day assignment in lebanon at the end of 2013. this refugee crisis is nothing new. is the camps outside of beirut have been breaking at the seams. turkey as many and jordan has over 650,000. >> that doesn't include people within syria and libya that have been displaced. >> 22 million in syria. 11 million displaced. afghanistan, a million people in iran and you've got a million people on the other side, in iraq. >> we didn't talk about iraq or iran. >> this has been building for a long time. >> it's going to continue for a long time. >> let's get to the source of the problem. >> great to see you.
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still ahead, the backdrop to tonight's gop debate. simi valley, california. a place not immune to the historic wildfires and drought the state has been battling. will the issue come up in tonight's debate? we'll break it down. first, you have to see this almost heart-stopping video out of slovenia. stunt man riding his bike down the almost vertical dam. splashes into the water. over 400 million views since being posted on the 2nd of september. please do not try this anywhere amigos. this is not a going thing. this doesn't always end this way.
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tonight's presidential republican debate takes place at the reagan library in simi valley, california, a couple miles north of los angeles. california has been dealing with
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an historic drought. this year alone there have been more than 2,000 wildfires. that's a lot more than usual. and the snow pack that provides much of southern california with its water is at a 500-year low requiring drastic water cutbacks. simi valley is no exception. more on this. >> reporter: wildfires tearing through miles of parched wilderness grassland and creeping dangerously close to neighborhoods. you can see the flames just about maybe 20 feet away from that fence. a small brush fire in simi valley spread quickly, hundreds of homes in its path. we're on the northern end of the rustic fire that burned up here about a month ago. how many acres burned? >> 190 acres. >> reporter: how far are we from the reagan library. >> two miles. >> reporter: could we see a fire like this up by the reagan library? >> absolutely. as a young chief officer, and we had a fire called the simi fire
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in 2003. santa ana wind day. 40 mile an hour winds. the fire established itself on the ridge and jumped the road and ran in line with the reagan library. i'll never forget. i was sitting there. had been up for about 36 hours. a call from the deputy chief. he said to me, teddy, do not let the reagan library burn down. i said, yes, sir. by the way, the fuselage from the plane is there. don't let that burn either. i said copy that, boss. >> reporter: you did a good job. >> when the reagan library was built in the '90ers it was landscaped so something would always be in bloom. over the past 20 years the architects have added to that plan. >> reporter: it was not exactly built with water conservation in mind as you see here. it was a desert hilltop turned into an oasis. as you can see at the rose garden, times have ichanged.
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now if the hillside hasn't been cleared as you see right here this vegetation can go from lush to dangerous. i'm about 100 feet from the replica of the white house south lawn at the reagan library. it's normally dry out here but this is very dry. this is exactly the type of stuff that went up in flames a little ways away from here. the reagan library is part of the city of simi valley. under a state mandated water restriction because of the brought. has the reagan library met the state mandated water conservation? >> yes. >> reporter: they've exceeded the mandate. the question is whether or not the change is sustainable and whether or not politicians and residents will support it. republicans are coming out for the debate on wanteednesday. will you be watching? >> no. >> reporter: do you care what they have to say on wednesday? >> no. >> i'd like to hear about water
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on capitol hill, in just a couple minutes, 9/11 and first responders from new york will be joined by former "daily show" host jon stewart. advocating for money for programs to treat first responders exposed to toxic dust and debris from the collapse of the world trade center but those programs are about to expire. joining me now from capitol hill, congresswoman carolyn maloney, a sponsor of the bipartisan bill. thank you both for being with me
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this morning. congresswoman, where does everything stand in congress? >> well, the reason that we are here with well over 100 firefighters and officers and responders and heroes and heroins is to achieve our goal of passing this bill again reauthorizing it and making it permanent so that the men and women who became ill from the toxic fumes of 9/11 will get the health care that they so justly deserve. we passed it in 2010 with the help of jon stewart, the modern day will rogers. and luckily, we are not alone today. he is with us and will be attending many meetings with the leaders here in congress to help us push this through the line and get it reauthorized permanently. we lost on 9/11 almost 9,000 people from practically every --
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from every state and practically every congressional district. this is a national issue. i'm a new yorker, but this is a national issue. and this was achieved with the help of jon stewart. believe me, no one made us laugh harder or think deeper on the need to pass this program. we know that since 9/11, more police officers have died from health related reasons than died on 9/11. almost 3,000 died on 9/11 and over 130 firefighters and fire officers. so the need is deep, it is strong, we must meet these unmet needs and get it passed and i am thrilled that so many firefighters, first responders, heroes and heroins, along with jon stewart, are here with us to get it done. >> if this law is not renewed, what do you think the impact is going to be? >> people will die. the treatment is very
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specialized. it was never happened before. the toxic mix of cement and gasoline and chemicals and it is causing hundreds of different cancers and hundreds of different illnesses. the least that we can do as a grateful nation is to be there for those who were there for us. >> very quickly, what do you think the imbasket is on the men and women who have -- who depend on this if this doesn't go through? >> the impact is critical. they're depending on it. there are lives depending on. there are thousands of people across this country, people that responded when we were in need that came on this tragic day. they need their health care, they need their medications. and thanks to carolyn maloney and other elected officials from new york and new jersey we're
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going to push for this legislation to be made permanent. >> jake lee mmonda and carolyn maloney, thanks. we'll take you live to simi valley, california, the site of tonight's second gop debate. 11 candidates will be on the stage. all eyes, however, will be on donald trump. plus, we're following two developing stories right now in phoenix, arizona where a police officer has been shot and reports of another possible shooting along a busy stretch of highway. we'll be back on "the rundown."
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the wind at his back. a poll this morning shows for the first time a plurality of republicans think he's their best chance at winning back the white house. meanwhile, carly fiorina makes her debut prime time tonight thanks to a rising popularity over the past month. the former hp ceo has been crisscrossing early primary states and responding publicly to trump. let's get the very latest, go to simi valley, california and the reagan presidential library. that's where cnbc's john harwood is up early for us this morning. john, what can we expect today? >> reporter: well, i think you're going to see a lot of fireworks tonight. and carly fiorina in particular is going to use her opportunity on this main stage to go after donald trump. when i talked to her in one of my speak easy interviews the other day, she said, donald trump has said that my voice gives him a massive headache. well, he's going to be hearing a lot from me and she started by stacking up her business record with his. take a listen. you said i'll stack up my
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business career against his any day of the week. so stack it up. >> donald trump and i are in totally different businesses. he's in the entertainment business. in the busy was in, we had to report our results publicly. and if i misrepresented those results or those projections, i could be held criminally liable. >> i think he said in some court case everybody does it. >> actually, everybody doesn't do it because if i had done it, i could have gone to jail. so those are his standards. i think my standards are what the american people would appreciate. >> jose, carly fiorina also accused donald trump of sexism for criticizing her appearance. and she said if you file for bankruptcy four times, that suggests either lack of judgment or lack of discipline. i think we're going to see all of that, and more, tonight when she stands up on that stage with donald trump. >> will be interesting. john, there is a growing sense that tonight is a do-or-die situation for some of the
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second-tier candidates. what do you think? >> reporter: well, some of them are half-dead already because you've got 15 candidates in the race and some with very low vote shares. i think the ones in the so-called kids' table debate are going to have a very rough time breaking through the way fiorina did last month at the fox kids' table debate. but i think this is really crucial for those candidates like john kasich, jeb bush, scott walker, marco rubio, in addition to carly fiorina to try to stand up and show that in this year where the polls are telling us, oh, well maybe rups want anddown sired, that one of the conventional elected official candidates, governor or senator can show some real command of the stage and convince republican voters to look back in a different direction. ben carson, the former neurosurgeon, has also been commanding a big chunk of the republican primary vote, along with trump. the question is can one of these
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establishment candidates or elected official candidates take control of the race back from those people. >> cnbc's john harwood. 7:03 in the morning for you in simi valley, california. thanks for being with me, john. in the run-up to tonight's debate, donald trump talked up the u.s. military while aboard the "uss iowa" declaring himself on the side of veterans 100%. one key talking point, strong, albeit vague promise to fix the long wait times and improved veterans health care. >> we're going to create a whole new system. we're going to take this system apart and if they're not doing the job, the veterans are going to go to private doctors, private hospitals, public hospitals. and you're going to get the greatest service of any veterans in any country because you deserve it. we have illegal immigrants that are treated better, by far, than our veterans. that's not going to happen anymore. it's not going to happen. >> restitired army colonel jack
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jacobs is an nbc news analyst. not a lot of specifics but he is clearly speaking to a group of people who feels they very clearly haven't been addressed. >> the subject has fallen off the rye dar in recent times. there is a new secretary of veterans affairs, bob mcdonald. a lot of improvements have been made and so on, but clearly a lot more work needs to be done. he's pointing out something that should be significant to everybody and that is veterans and their families are a major constituency and making sure that they get what they're supposed to get at a time when we rely on a very small number of people to defend the republic i think is a major issue. i think that people will focus on. but the president can't do it alone. what really has to happen is that there needs to be a partnership between one end of pennsylvania avenue and the other so it's not just a question of electing somebody who really wants to do something about veterans at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. you got to take care of the other end of pennsylvania
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avenue, too. >> let's talk about not only veterans but the u.s. military. listen to a little bit of what mr. trump said yesterday when talking about the u.s. military. >> we're going to come out with some plans in a very short time. we're going to be building up our military. we're going to make our military so big and so strong and so great, it will be so powerful that i don't think we're ever going to have to use it. nobody's going to mess with us. that i can tell you. >> is that something the president can say and do? >> again, not by himself. i mean he's the commander in chief and he has the plans to do whatever he wants to do. >> but who controls the money? >> but at the end of the day, the congress controls the money. so again, if you're going to elect somebody, it needs to be somebody who can work with the guys who actually cause the checks to be written. we're in a very difficult situation at the moment. threats everywhere on larger number of fragmented threats than i can ever remember. >> and our military is smaller.
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>> not only smaller but getting smaller. we're about ready to have the smallest army we have had since before the second world war. the marine corps is now below 190,000, i think it's going to 180,0 180,000-something or even lower. at the end of the day we need people, but that requires leadership, too. it is not enough to say you're going to do it, you actually have to be able to do it, and you can't do it yourself. >> and you need all the other branches. but leadership does play a part. it does matter. >> it plays the biggers pa ergg. article 1 of the constitution is the president, not the congress. article 2, the only thing he can do by himself is pardon creeps. he can't do it by himself anything else. it really needs leadership from the white house to get the people who actually run things, the congress, to do what everybody wants them to do. >> colonel, always a pleasure.
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updating you now on two developing stories unfolding right now in phoenix, a police officer is in an emergency hospital room after being shot during a traffic stop with officials saying his injuries are serious but not life threatening. at the same time, police are investigating an object that struck a car early this morning along a busy stretch of interstate 10. this is the same area where there have been at least 11 reports of shots being fired at vehicles in the past two weeks. here's what police said about this latest incident just a short while ago. >> obviously if we have any kind of damage to a vehicle, whether it be a rock strike from debris, from another vehicle, from a projectile, a weapon, anything else like that, we have to do a complete investigation. >> joining me now, jackie ochoa from our affiliate in phoenix. what's the very latest on this car that was struck? >> reporter: yeah. at this point the arizona department of public safety is just beginning their investigation so they tell us that they cannot confirm whether
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or not this is related to those string of shootings on i 10. but what we can tell you is this morning at around 3:30 a man called 911 saying that his window had been shattered and that he was driving on interstate 10 and he was just at about 43rd avenue so this is the west part of phoenix. what he said was that another driver pulled up right aside him and then he heard a bang. and he actually continued to follow that driver. so he was able to capture the make and model of that car which the department of public safety here will be able to use in their investigation as they continue to move forward with it. but we do want to hear from brandon waters, the driver of the car that had the window shattered. he shared with us his experience on interstate 10 this morning. >> i was just driving home to pick up my kids from work. then about 43rd avenue i heard a
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loud bang and then my window shattered. so it was possible it could have been the i-10 guy but i'm not too sure. >> reporter: so i want to make it very clear that dps, the department of public safety here in arizona, is confirming for us that this was not a bullet. they say that because of course the window that you saw in the video, as well as the car, was not penetrated by anything. but at this point they can't tell us what caused this window to be shattered. but we can also tell you that no one was hurt in this incident. reporting live, jackie ochoa. >> jackie, thank you. we'll continue monitoring developments on this story. now developing news as day breaks in utah. search for the last person missing from the deadly floods in the town of hildale is under way. one family lost 12 of its members. the death toll is now at 16.
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nbc's leanne gregg is in colorado city, arizona with the very latest. >> reporter: yes, jose. the search will continue today for four people who remain missing from two different locations across southern utah from that flooding on monday. one of the areas they'll focus on is downstream from here. you mentioned that horrific accident where two vehicles carrying 16 people went in to the river. three women and nine children were killed. one remains missing and is presumed to be dead. about an hour from here at zion national park, four different people were killed in the floodwaters and three members from their party remain missing, also feared to be dead. but searchers say they have not given up hope. the national guard will join in that search today. about 650 law enforcement professional search teams, along with hundreds of volunteers are helping in that search. they've been out since monday looking for those missing people. once again today for the third day in a row, more thunderstorms
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are expected. the governor and other officials are urging residents, along with visitors, to be especially mindful of these conditions and of the potential for even more flooding. jose? >> leanne gregg, thank you very much. lots ahead on this busy wednesday. next, hillary clinton's plan against donald trump. hit him where it hits. i'll give you a hint -- it has to do with the latino vote. on capitol hill, jon stewart is calling on congress to permanently extend two september 11th health programs. money from those programs critical to the screening and treatment of those exposed to the toxic dust and debris at ground zero. i just spoke with congresswoman carolyn maloney on the issue. we'll keep you posted. to clean , to start a movement, or lead a country. it may not be obvious yet,
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turning now to the latest on the mass migration in europe. we are just learning that the standoff between police and a group of migrants at the serbian/hungarian border has turned violent. hungarian police have been shooting water cannons and apparently pepper spray against migrants who are calling on them to open the border. hungary has effectively closed its border forcing migrants to try and find other routes to western europe. we'll bring you the very latest developments as they unfold on a very tense situation right now in the hungarian/serbian border. a fence has been put up there. some parts of the fence have already been cut and there is a real human tragedy occurring right there, right now. hillary clinton is about to launch a new plan of attack against republican rival donald trump. she's focused squarely on the latino vote. the clinton camp is looking to build off the trump's plunging
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numbers among latinos by launching a new initiative called -- latinos for hillary. in the new poll, 70% of latino voters say trump's recent comments critical of undocumented immigrants are insulting and offensive. joining me now, a buzz feed reporter. you wrote about this in your new article. >> basically trump's numbers are cratering with latinos. on the flip side hillary has the highest favorability among presidential candidates. opportunity here they believe that hispanics have at this point in the primary election season never been listening so closely. usually it waits more until the general election. they see now the opportunity to while they're doing organizing events in colorado, while they're in miami, out there talking about how latinos -- that hillary's policies will help the latino community, they're also energizing them and trying to emerge as the champion for latino voters who have been they feel attacked by trump,
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anti-immigrant, anti-immigrant comments. >> i'm sure you get the same comments on your twitter feed than i do on, these are just illegals and this is a problem, that's not the voters, latino voters are going to support mr. trump. this poll and other polls seem to show -- they were questioning latino voters -- do you think hillary has the opportunity there to really make a bigger -- even bigger dent in the support for candidates like hillary. >> two things. the republicans have to turn around the trend of latino vote trending democrats. first they have to turn that around, then they need to pull it back. romney only got 27%. i think in instances like this talk to the experts. one expert said hispanics often feel that their fate is tied to the fate of other latinos. when there are things -- some things get to that level. latinos are ethnically diverse. but when you get to something where they all sort of feel, this is offensive, i feel under attack with these comments,
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that's what a lot of people feel is one of the biggest ways you can mobilize the vote. >> we know this, every month 53,000 u.s.-born latinos turn 18 years of age. the latino population is now 55 million people. $1.5 trillion purchasing power every year. is there a difference? do you think that these comments about the undocumented don't have an impact on those that were born here, that were raised here, but that have latino upbringings. >> look at one example. trump says he wants to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants which maybe to some people might seem, they're not voters, they're here illegally, let's get them all out. what does that actually mean? that would be 458,000 immigrants a month. some have children that were born here. there's mixed status. people forget that these people are connected to american, u.s.,
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citizens. that's the part where hillary campaign, when they talk about -- yesterday -- trump's not the nominee but the trump they feel to energize latinos to say we are on your side and say regardless of whether he is the nominee or not the damage has been done. what some democrats told me was you're going to see tonight in the debate something different. you see democrats and hillary feel pouring these resources into latino vote. what will the comments be tonight they feel on immigration and things like that, the rhetoric will be strong. >> interesting how the other side of the immigration fix debate is someone like jeb bush, yet he has not gotten any real traction on that issue. >> well, i think one thing that was interesting when they did talk about hillary and the gallup poll investigate top favorability, jeb bush was the top republican. i think the jeb bush campaign is making this a big focus.
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privately republicans hope if he or rubio is the nominee that they won't be touched by some of the stuff trump has done. where other voters start embarrassing birth right citizenship or policies mr. trump has embraced that's where republicans get nervous this could hurt them. >> words matter. words matter. great article. up next we'll update you on some of the other top stories, including the pope's new call for prayers. plus a check on wall street. stocks slightly higher. federal reserve begins a two-day meeting to decide whether to hike interest rates for the first time in nine years. it's almost like flat-lining today. much more on this. mandy drury, who always puts things into perspective, and always will, is going to be with me next. behold, these are two wind turbines. can you spot the difference? the wind farm on the right was created using digital models and real world location-based specs that taught it how to follow the wind.
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about 31 points up as investors zero in on today's beginning of the fed's two-day meeting. let's check in with cnbc's mandy drury. this 31-point increase which is like almost zero, mandy, is this because of this? >> well, you know, it is kind of like everyone's in wait-and-see mode. aren't there? there is hot anticipation for tomorrow as to what the fed is going to do but this is after yesterday's gain as well. just to put that in context, there is a tendency of stocks to rise in the 24-hour period before an fomc announcement. but nonetheless, the majority of forecasters at this stage are not expecting a hike tomorrow which would be the first in nearly a decade. in which case the market reaction tomorrow has it maybe more perhaps on the forward guidance. if there is no hike, it will be all focused on forward guidance, like will it be several meetings before the first hike, or whether it is imminent. regardless, some just want the fed to move and do it to get rid
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of this uncertainty. but today we got an inflation number and it didn't really give the fed any reason to move. it was u.s. consumer prices, and they actually edged down in august, the first decline in seven months. the core inflation rate that strips out energy and food costs with be that was only up 0.1%. very modest and only up 1.8% over the past 12 months. so if the fed was looking for a trigger to move on inflation, today's numbers certainly didn't give it to them. >> mandy, what about this big job cuts news out of hp? >> right. hewlett-packard. you know it is splitting into two companies, two lists companies later on this year. it expects to cut another 25,000 to 30,000 jobs in its enterprise business. basically it is just trying to adjust to falling demand. nonetheless the market seems to like the news and the shares are moving very nicely higher, jose. >> mandy drury, thank you very much. >> see you tomorrow. big fed day. absolutely. in seattle this morning public schoolteachers are heading back to work after reaching a tentative deal to end
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i want to take you back to that developing news along the border between serbia and hungary. this is brand-new video just in show something hungarian police shooting water cannons at migrants who are protesting and throwing objects at police. at one point you could see people covering their faces, possibly to guard against teargas. the video earlier from this hour was from the hungarian side, this is from the serbian side. protesters calling on hungary to re-open its border which has been closed and secured by police and razor wire. we'll keep bringing you the latest as this happens. staying with this migration story, they say a picture is worth a thousand words but when it comes to summing up this heart breaking crisis, this next
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image is worth far more than that. it is disserving. the picture of this 3-year-old has now been seen around the world, and for good reason. that's the image of his body being carried by a turkish policeman underscores everything that's wrong with what's happening. families risking their own children's lives to escape war and seek a chance at a better life. but it is not the first time images, particularly of children have managed to sum up massive humanitarian crises. how about this picture of a u.s. marine helping a young cuban child during the maria boat lift in 1980. or images like this one showing starving babies in somalia, a scene that's been repeated over and over and over again throughout much of africa over years. or this one, back in the u.s. it shows two young girls in a holding area, along with hundreds of central american immigrant children who crossed without their parents, most of them, into the united states last summer. that reality, by the way, is still going on in this country.
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joining me now, annette kelly, new york director for the u.n. high commission on refugees. annette, thank you for being with me. >> thank you for having me. >> the image of syrian boy. how has that picture and others like that help define what's going on right now? >> i think it's galvanized the world's attention to the endless tragedy that we've seen unfolding for recent years and pictures that we have also shown but have not been able to capture the world's attention in the way that this boy had. his lifeless body is in my view a searing testament to the great tragedy that's unfolding and that needs to stop and the great assistance that needs to be mobilized in order to address the into edz, both of r needs. >> hopefully people will get motivated to be a part of it, to help. but so many things are happening
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that will are no cameras to capture. so many tragedies. so many families being destroyed. so many dreams being extinguished, so many people who only want to exist. >> that's the thing. exactly. >> they're being prohibited from existing. how does -- it's not like it is ever going to end. >> no, but there are things that can be done. ilan shows that people are driven to flee because of bombing and unspeakable atrocities that are happening around the world. so what this means is we need to have greater political commitment to solve the conflicts that we're seeing. >> how do you solve these conflicts? a lot of these conflicts -- some of the border areas were drawn after the end of the ottoman empire, some were before the ottoman empire. some are thousand-year-old conflicts that doesn't seem that we can politically have the will to change. >> that's the point. it takes a political will. you're right, a lot of the sources of conflict have deep historical roots and those players have had a say in those boundaries that created difficulties today need to take
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responsibility and bring their expertise to the table, as well as other reasons for conflict also need to have the political will to move it. what we see happening is states often say we are providing humanitarian assistance, but that's not enough, that's not going to stop the endless stream of people who we see are leaving. it is also the case that humanitarian funding is grossly under what it needs to be. we're stretched beyond capacity. we have 60 million forcibly displaced in the world. >> six-zero. >> six-zero. that's 60% more than a decade ago. humanitarian agencies are asked to do more and more with less and less. we're sim mr.ply unable to atteo the sick, to the injured, to people who need protection, to the endless suffering that confronts us every day. >> you spent time in lebanon. lebanon and jordan have been dealing with migrants for generations now and they have been stretched thin as well.
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yet other countries of the area really don't do much. >> well, this is one of the areas that we think -- people need to have perspective. the situation in europe right now has galvanized the world's attention but europe really is not a crisis. europe is a continent of 500 million. they've received 300,000 refugees and forcibly displaced persons. this is a crisis that can be managed in the very rich continent of the world. take lebanon. lebanon you could fit snugly inside the state of connecticut. lebanon of a population of 4 million has taken in 1.2 million refugees. where's the world's attention on that? >> jordan. >> jordan. jordan has taken in over 600,000. turkey, 2 million. these states need massive support in order to be able to cope with the tragedy that's unfolding at their borders and within their communities, and also if we don't support them, we have a greater chance of seeing them collapse -- >> i always think when i see these images and i always think, there but for the grace of god
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go i. what would you, what would i be willing to do if we saw the future of our children being threatened and their existence being threatnd. on the other hand, it just seems like this is a non-stop constant issue and can we actually do enough, can we do something. >> we definitely can do something. first of all, as i said, i don't think we should let up on the political solutions. i think people need to pressure their political leaders in order to get engaged. secondly, we need massive more humanitarian funding that we need in order to meet emergency life-saving needs. we need more resettlement places. we need rich countries in the world to take in their share of refugees and not leave it to the poorest states in the world. >> these countries where these incidents are happening also bear responsibility and the neighbors bear responsibility. and a lot of times it's always going to end up being "our" issue and it only happens when we see pictures like the one we saw today that galvanized people. >> i don't totally agree with
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you. chad is one of poorest countries in the world. why is it that chad is confronted with 400,000 refugees. that's not chad's fault. >> we talked about lebanon, about jordan. >> tlaert. th that's right. then look at richer countries and see how many refugees are they taking in? it is a disproportionate share. >> visit unhcr.org to help. there is a list of organizations, in addition, at msnbc.com. see how you can help. in some way, everybody can help. now to capitol hill where the senate has just gone back into session a day after democrats blocked another attempt by republicans to vote the president's iran nuclear deal. the motion didn't receive the required 60 votes to begin debate on the bill. tomorrow mitch mcconnell is
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proposing a bill that would bar the president from lifting sanctions. we're joined by congressman jim heinz, democrat from connecticut and member of the intelligence committee. let me get your reaction first to the latest vote planned for tomorrow. >> well, look. bottom line is it was pretty clear a couple of weeks ago when the numbers did not support a veto override in either the senate or in the house that the iran deal, love it or hate it, was going through. what's problematic now about the continued sort of going back and spending time on this is the fact that this is a time that we are not spending looking at the fact that the government's authority to spend money ends in about eight legislative days. instead of coming together and saying we can't shut down the government, we need to make sure that the american people are served, we see these last-ditch efforts that everybody knows aren't going to work but which use a lot of floor time in the senate and create havoc in the house consuming time when we should focus on things that are pretty important to the american people. >> you do support the
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president's deal with iran. i know you've been briefed on the nuclear program there. you convinced you support the deal and continue to do so? >> yeah. i absolutely do. this is a risky deal. no two ways about it. when you strike a deal with a country like iran or regime like iran with a history of cheating, you are taking some risk. but at the end of the day the reason i supported this really was two-fold. on one hand, this deal offers us something that we have not seen for a very long time which is a lengthy period, 15 years, in which we're not going to wake up and be surprised by an iranian nuclear test and all the destabilization that promotes. secondarily, again i respect the people who disagree and who think this deal wasn't good enough but through all the argument, they really haven't offered an alternative. the alternative of simply walking away and getting a better deal, all of our allies have said that's not happening. so now is a moment to sort of commit ourselves to making sure that this deal works to making sure that people understand that we will keep israel safe come
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hell or high water and to try to see this thing work. >> jim heinz, congressman, thank you for being with me. now to politics and the main event. we're getting ready for the next republican debate tonight in california. in the time since the last gathering we've lost one candidate but seen no change in the leader of the pack. donald trump has remained ahead of all his rivals in every poll released over the past two months. what's it going to take for one or the other candidates to make a difference? with me now from see mimi valle how account candidates get under donald trump's skin tonight? >> i think we've already seen previews of it over the last few weeks. as candidates increasingly become concerned about donald trump's continued dominance of the polls. look, i don't know if there is a way to get under his skin in a way that will actually make a difference electorally. i think the way that you're going to see candidates go after
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trump is not necessarily to take him down but as a way to score points with their own natural constituencies. for example, rand paul is saying that he's going to go after trump as a phony conservative or a fake conservative. and emphasize the issue of emnant domain, say donald trump favors taking properties from small business owners and small property owners and giving them to corporations. that's an obvious appeal to his libertarian base. i don't know that that will necessarily knock trump off his game but it will be a way to rally rand paul's base. i think each one of the candidates is going to take approaches in that way as a way to help them, not necessarily to knock him out in one blow. >> david, the target may be on the back of trump but how high are the stakes for other candidates like jeb bush or scott walker? >> i think the stakes are actually high for ben carson because he a 's in second place everywhere. every poll is trump, then ben
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carson. one thing we know about this debate is that hugh hewitt, one of the questioners, has said he is going to pose questions about foreign policy and national security, something that neither trump or carson has laid out in great detail. so will they have a moment that you catch them off guard. will they have sort of an "oops" moment on a foreign policy or national security issue. because really, they've just put forth rhetoric, popular rhetoric that gets a lot of applause, but not policy specifics. hugh hewitt, who is going to be throwing a lot of questions, has said is he going to ask for specifics tonight. so i think there could be a moment of clarity on their campaigns if they get a tough question. >> ted cruz is airing a new ad today in early states, it has a parallel to what ronald reagan did in '84. let's take a look. >> there is a scorpion in the desert.
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for most of us, its venom is a clear and deadly threat. but others refuse to even speak its name. >> there is a bear in the woods. for some people, the bear is easy to see. others don't see it the a all. some people say the bear is tame. others say it's vicious. and dangerous. >> scorpions, bears. is there a candidate who can most successful carry the reagan torch in this election? >> well, i mean i think that -- obviously every candidate us a says that they're reaganesque. the interesting thing about cruz is that is appealing in a very similar way that the reagan campaign did to the very visceral instincts of not just the conservative base and the republican party but of americans in general where we view enemy -- as a country we tend to see our enemies as some people that need to go out and be destroyed.
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right? that's something ted cruz is tapping into. what's interesting about that is that cruz has continued in a very disciplined way not to go after donald trump who is taking a lot of his support. instead appealing to the conservative base in ways like that, like that ad you just showed. he is not going to bash trump because that will be seen as questioning the instincts and opinions of the conservative base, of that populist element of the party. instead he'll continue to make his case and take his message to those people and hope that at some point trump will flame out and he will benefit from trump's flame-out. >> david, talk quickly about the democrats. hillary clinton has seen her lead cut in half over the last month. we hear joe biden taking a swipe at donald trump yesterday. is it the republicans who have the more stable primary race or the democrats? >> well, i think it is still harder to make the case that republicans have a stable primary right now. the interesting thing in the hillary clinton polling is that if joe biden gets in this race,
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it makes it a little bit tougher for her and if he stays out, her lead grows. so there i'm sure the clinton campaign headquarters is watching the biden movement very, very closely because he will have an impact on that vote and sort of determine whether he takes away some from her or if it is just a one-on-one really between clinton and bernie sanders. >> thank you both for being with me this morning. we appreciate it. up next, just in time for the start of hispanic heritage month, a surprising new poll about the hispanic population in the united states. i'll have those details coming up for you next. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul?
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includes 911 calls. nine black parishioners were killed at the emanuel ame church. attorneys for the victims' families argued the material should not be released because it would violate victims' rights to privacy. the alleged gunman dylann roof did not appear in the courtroom. he faces nine counts of murder and other charges. the state is seeking the death penalty in his case. we're just hours away from the next gop presidential debate and immigration is bound to be a hot topic once again tonight this as just released report reveals a drop in the foreign-born u.s. latino population. the pew research center found that in 2000, 40% of latinos in the u.s. reported being foreign born. 2013 the in um ber fell to 35%. pew says that trend seems to indication numbers will decline. julio, what's going on with this trend? what does this mean? >> this is just a classic immigrant pattern.
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we're moving from the first generation to the second and third generation and you start looking at american history. this shouldn't shock anybody. it really shouldn't shock anybody that immigrants have come to this country and they're second and third generation offspring are becoming more, shall i say -- i don't know if assimilated is the right word but more part of the fabric of the united states. and all the numbers are indicating that. when you start hearing messages of the invasion, i don't know if it is going to be talked about tonight in california, but like you've said before, it's already happened and we're going to continue to see sort of this type of pattern just like it happened with the irish and the italians and people of jewish decent from eastern europe. this is what's going to be happening. now the question is where do we go next. >> the fact of the matter is that there may be a perception out there that latinos are not
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u.s. born. it's just not true. >> it really isn't, jose. you look at this data and it's not only not true, but also look at the data about 74%, 75% of all of the 55 million latinos, according to pew, are u.s. citizens or natural u.s. citizens. naturalized. those numbers continue to move and trend away so when you start seeing -- it actually makes sense. you start seeing the first generation literally getting older and the younger generation getting younger, for example, the mexican population according to pew right now is the youngest latino population in the united states. the median age is 26. we're seeing a younger population. the question now is will this ever translate to political power and i think in the end, if
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you look at patterns of american immigration, i think eventually it will happen. people said there would never be an irish-catholic president. guess what happened? so i equate -- i'm married to irish so i got this all down. this is boston irish all over. >> julio, another thing, all those young people speak english as their primary language. [ speaking spanish ] i wants to take you outside the reagan presidential library in california, the site of tonight's gop presidedebate. use clorox disinfecting products. you handle life; clorox handles the germs. you handle life; hey babe, last one home cooks? ♪
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countdown is on to tonight's second debate. one of the inspiration behind today's five things. historic first, 1991, the first time five u.s. presidents gathered in the same place. nixon, ford, carter, reagan and
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george h.w. bush. oval office, president reagan gave the presidents a grand tour of the full-scale replica. air force one in 1985. berlin wall, the 9 1/2 foot piece of the wall that reagan so famously told gorbachev to tear down is there. 2007, air force one provided the backdrop for the first 2008 republican debate. thanks for the privilege of your time. "news nation" with tamron hall is up next.
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stelara® helps keep my skin clearer. ask your doctor about stelara®. so jill, i know the markets have taken a hit lately. mm hmm. just wanted to touch base. how did edward jones come to manage over $800 billion dollars in assets? huh. okay. here's our latest market outlook. two things that i'd like to point out... through face time when you really need it. so that's interesting, you know we had spoken about that before. it's how edward jones makes sense of investing. developing now on "news nation," counting down to tonight's republican debate. candidates are preparing to go after donald trump in a debate with much different rules than before. what can they say or do to stop trump's momentum? also developing, rain is slowing the search for several people who went missing during
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flash flooding in utah. the storm killed at least 16 people, many of them children. we'll have the latest. breaking news -- police in hungary firewater cannons and pepper spray at migrants who are desperate to enter the country despite a new border fence. we'll get a live report from nbc's richard engel. good morning, everyone. i'm alex witt in for tamron hall. we are just hours away from the second major republican showdown of the 2016 campaign. donald trump himself says he expects his republican rivals to hit him hard when they all face off in tonight's debate. all indications are he will not be disappointed. at least several of trump's rivals indicated they plan to shift the hands-off approach they took towards him during the first debate and target the brash front-runner this time. tonight 11 candidates will be on the main stage with trump right there in the middle. the four with the lowest poll

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