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whether i would risk my family to rescue him, i have to admit, i wasn't sure that i could do. \s 11pm >> due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> follow lock up producers and crews as they go behind the walls of america's prisons and jails to scenes you have never seen. lock up raw. >> much of lock up extended stay is shot inside our nation's county jails. it's in jails as opposed to prisons that they are only accused of crimes and waiting for resolution at the end of the cases. these days, the stays are
getting longer and longer due to budget cuts juggling dozens of cases at the time and increasing amounts to make bail. >> don't do the crime if you can't pay the time. jail is less like a temporary stay and more like a prison sentence. while they wait, it's the little things that make life bearable or lead to big trouble. in a setting where so many have so little, violence can erupt over any perceived slight, especially if it involves food. it was no different at the fairfax county adult detention center in virginia. cole would find himself in a food-related brawl. he made an impression for having
a way with words when giving his take on virginia's common wealth state. >> this is the commonwealth. this is a commony wealthy state. it speaks for itself. if you are not in tune with society, you are out of place. they have a place for people who are out of place and this is it. >> he was serving a one-year sentence for robbery and malicious wounding. >> why were you fighting? >> a couple of weeks ago, two weeks ago now, he goes back in there and beat the bleep out of him. >> i didn't take his cookies and i told him i didn't take your cookies. like i don't want your cookie. i rarely eat the cookies. i don't care about the cookies of. they are two little cow cookies.
something pa that petty? >> his denial about the cookies was so strong, but in jail it's tough to tell. you don't know who is telling the truth. usually it's he said he said. >> he hit me between the nose and the eye and i got a cut that starts from right there they say it was about an inch deep. >> an inch deep? >> that would be in your brain, wouldn't it? >> i guess, i don't know. the cut was an inch deep. i had a pound of headaches and i would block them out. >> he was serving time for possession of a controlled substance received 2o days in segregation after authorities concluded he started the fight. but he said coal
deserved it and he has a reputation among the other inmates. >> i don't like him and he don't like me. he is broke and always asking people for the trays. we call him the tray monster. >> he said he is not a beggar, but an opportunist. if you say you want this? i need the starch. that's where the term comes from. no one is going to let you take their foot. anyone ain't going to let you take their food. >> the cookie conflict calls jail house conversion to islam. >> supposedly he became muslim so he can get close to the muslims so they would feed him. supposedly. that's the word other people are saying. the muslims stick and feed each other and help him out. you need something, they got you. >> so why islam? >> discipline. it's one's way to find the self
proclaim of freedom. when it comes to knowing who your god is. there is only one god. >> the commissary snacks can be a source of conflict. at the suffolk county jail in new york, they are a source of humor. thanks to two of the more unique officers we have ever met. >> it's 7-eleven. i will stop on the way home. >> the officers are assigned full time to fulfilling and distributing hundreds of orders twice a week. >> they can spend $30 max. tuesday delivery and thursday delivery. cake, candy and cosmetics. the three cs. >> they entertain themselves and most of the inmates as well.
>> elmer fud? glucose like sugar? >> sarah palin? >> if you can have fun at work, how nice is that? since i started this job, i never didn't like coming to work. >> name? placenta? bring a pen or a pencil up. so we can expedite it quicker. >> they are very new york. the accents and the way they carried themselves. it lent itself to long island. you felt like you were in new york. giving back to the people. you are getting it for cost. >> sure, they are. >> when they would show up, obviously the inmates are thrilled they are going to get their come sari.
their commissary.missary. it's a pretty sad, desolate environment. they would participate too. they didn't mind being the butt of their jokes. everybody would laugh. >> oldest guy in the dorm. morgan freeman. there you go. >> king of commissary. >> plus, i was a kid. only in the office. outside. >> that's the best commissary guy. >> he makes sure our stuff is here and makes sure they go back and get it. they are the only store in town. when you are the only store. >> officer dicarlo worked for 24 years. the last ten partnered with the officer. >> i can't take you no more.
>> i see you are busy. >> it's sickening after a while. he doesn't shut up never. >> you're right. >> partners, love-hate. marriage and divorce. >> hated me for months. then talked to me. >> he likes me again. when you work for someone for years, phone calls and, you know. >> always. >> that close? >> close. >> how many coffees did you get? >> it's easy to order 20 instead of 16. >> you ain't missing nothing. what is that? i'm missing one. unbelievable. >> i have been working here 24 years.
>> i know sons, fathers, grandfathers. i see a guy i look like someone who looks familiar. my father was here 25 years ago. >> they keep coming back and back and back. >> how does it affect you? >> you can't let it. >> why? >> it's sad. it's draining. >> what chance do they have if their father and grandfather was in jail. how does the son know what the right thing is if they were not doing the right thing? when you leave work, you leave work. you go back to your family and barbecues and pool. >> we're joke around for 10 or 12 minutes. >> you want to be a hard nose with these guys, you're going to have a hard day. >> tuesday. try not to order too much.
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>> for people who never have been in jail, they think the violence is the worst part of that experience. while violence is real, the inmates say it's the little things, the monotony and the boredom and lack of control in their lives. that makes their lives miserable. the little things. at every facility, we almost
always discover something taken for granted that is a potential source of misery behind bars. >> in san antonio, texas. it was the windows. >> we have a window and they wanted it. they said can i look out your window? to sit there drives me nuts. >> being able to look out there and see how everybody else is free makes me jealous and envious of everything. i can't see my family and i'm locked up. >> this is all we have to look for the to. no skyline of the city. that's about it. that's about it. i can see the neighborhood of my house. that's as close as i'm going to get the next two years. nothing i can do about it. >> i want that window right there. >> it's a gift and a curse at the same time. >> too much partying here.
>> for 20-year-old clancy kelly, who we met in virginia, looking out a small corner of her window came with risks that were greater than she ever imagined. >> why did you appeal to someone for the window? >> i just wanted a window to the outside world. i wanted to be able to look at the sky. i hate being cooped up. i can't stand it. >> in this housing unit, the windows on one side face another part of the jail. where they house male inmates. there had been a situation where there was exposing going on between the male and female inmates. the solution was to frost the windows. clancy kelly told us she was not doing anything like that. she just peeled the frost back to get a look at the outside world. >> being stuck in this boring room making me feel boring and
dull. looking outside i can feel free and see something like the sky. >> the thing that caught our attention about clancy kelly is how out of place she seemed in jail. she looked young and looked more like an art student than an inmate. >> i look young and people are like why are you in here. you are like 14. no one would guess i had an addiction to heroin. >> kelly was serving 90 days for probation from a previous dui. >> i violated probation by not going to all my classes. i stopped going. i got arrested three more times. >> for what? >> two drunk in public and a petty larceny. they brought me here directly from court. i should be ticked up in a couple of days to a week to go to rehab.
>> part of her daily routine is waiting outside her cell while they make sure every inch of the cell is just as it had been the day before. see that? wasn't like that when you moved in here. >> some of the tape was pulled off the window. you know you are going to get written up for that. we will talk about it in a little bit. that's a write up. i may have to charge you. that's a no-no. you can tell some of the security film was pulled back. seemed like she tried to paste it down, but when i asked her, she admitted it.
she will be charged most likely she may get ds, disciplinary segregation. if she hasn't been in trouble, they may be lenient on her. >> i'm not bitter about it because i was in the wrong. i did tell her the truth. i was honest when she asked me. there was a moment, but i decided to tell the truth. they'll decide if they are going to move me or not from the cellblock. >> the possibility is not to be taken lightly in fairfax county. it was one of the most restrictive we have seen. they are confined to their cells 23 hours a day. the only personal possession they're allowed is one religious book. >> faith and works should be together. mattresses are removed during the day making napping difficult. the only meal they are served is
known as a loaf. an unseasoned combination of vegetables, flour, and oil. >> it looks like a handful of [ bleep ]. >> as kelly waited to learn her fate, she played a fortune telling game. she learned from another inmate. >> you are looking for doubles and what numbers mean what. four is money. maybe something will put money on my books or something. it gives you hope. i guess. they have been right. it's weird how right they have been. >> a short time later, she is called out for a disciplinary hearing. >> tell me what happened. >> i just picked at the film on the window of my cell and i pulled it back a little bit overtime to look out the window. sometimes i would be anxious in my cell and pick at that
sometimes. >> okay. just the film on there? >> uh-huh. >> okay. anything else you would like to add? >> no. >> let >> great. go in and let me type this up and i will be right with you. >> i don't know if i should have said not guilty or what, but he already has the report. >> all right, for the charge i find you guilty. for the cost to refix that will be $200. therefore we are going to go ahead and have you pay that for us. that will be taken out of your financial account. if you have $200 in your account at this time, that will be deducted. as part of this, i will be moving you on the c floor. at that time you will spend
there for 30 days. after that you can request to come back and if we have room, we will think about moving you back up? any questions? >> no. >> signature right here. >> kelly has been spared the rigors of disciplinary segregation, but she will be transferred to a higher security housing unit along with the fine. >> it was definitely destroying property and it will cost $200 to repair what she had done. if i went to your yard and hit a ball through your window, you pay for it. she broke our window, she pays for it. we will move her to a more secured area. less people there. i think the problem is a lot of times they don't realize how well they have it and forget themselves and where they are at. sometimes people need a reminder. >> they are moving me to c floor tonight. >> no! >> and i have to pay a $200 restitution fee. >> so it don't pay to tell the truth. >> do you find it ironic that
the punishment was money when your cards talked about money? >> that is really ironic actually. it's not the worst it could be. i have already gotten like five weeks in here. a week away will be a change of scenery. to look on the brighter side of things. >> good morning. first of all, i expect you to have them on at all times. >> she is in a smaller, less desirable section of the jail. >> the cell is worse than the other one. i have no sun light at all. no window. basically at this point i only have less than a week left in maximum so i don't really care. >> a week later, kelly was still in jail. she was supposed to be released to a drug rehab program, but
there was a mix up. >> feels like i'm never going to leave. i keep telling myself i will leave tomorrow and i wait for each interval of time to go by. wait until this next interval of time and see what happens. >> in the case of clancy kelly, that's one of the best examples of how the little things can change your situation in jail. every time we check in with her, she seemed more and more depressed. >> anxiously awaiting to be picked up. >> three days later, she was released to a drug rehab program and during her stay, she did not comply with the terms of the program. she was returned to the jail and served 90 days. coming up -- ever wonder what jail smells like? >> imagine if you have wet clothes you left out and didn't hang them to dry. that's the smell of jail. a lot of wet socks.
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asked to describe what jail or prison is really like. our field producers spend so much time on the inside, we thought we would ask someone for a fresher perspective. this is a production assistant. >> the first thing i remember was the smell. it wasn't particularly bad. jacob hector said it was a standard jail smell. you will smell this at every facility. >> it's like a damp smell. like wet clothes that you left out and you didn't hang them to dry. that's the smell of jail. a lot of wet socks. >> in cincinnati, ohio, d'andre found a way to turn his socks into jail house air fresheners. >> you get the soap and break it
down into little pieces and place it inside the socks and then break it down. this is done. once it broke down, it will be into a powder form like this. you leave it like that and when you want to freshen it, you go like that and you have a home made air freshener. everyone is this pod has one. we want to get everyone in their cell so it won't be smelling bad. >> these cellmates were housed in the same unit and also used the soap sock with a method of their own. >> deodorant and put it on the vent. it smells good in here too. >> at the kent county jail in grand rapids, michigan, dennis jordan told us no amount of artificial air freshener can substitute for elbow grease.
>> i pull them out and take this rag and clean the insides of it. i completely wash these walls at least three times a day and wash the floor about three times a day. i keep it to where i can take my socks off and walk around without my feet getting dirty. >> i have never seen such a clean cell in all the time i've been here. i have seen clean cells, but for him to clean the walls three times a day and the floor, it's amazing. his toilet was so clean, you could see yourself. it was amazing. >> jordan is serving 270 days for larceny and a violating his parole from a home invasion. he said his life outside was not as orderly. >> when i was 17, i was full of pride. i wanted a car and the best house and everything that the other people around my
neighborhood had. they led me to realize i was going down the wrong path after i started getting in trouble with the law. >> i think having a clean cell gave him something to do and it was something he had control of. in a lockdown setting, you don't have control over many things. one thing he had control of was his cell. >> without being clean and in order, i feel like i'm out of order. >> as long as i'm out of order, i know i'm not doing things the right of way so that i'm back sliding. if i progress and make sure things are orderly, i know that everything will be all right. >> coming up -- >> my nickname is picasso.
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hello, everybody. a massive memorial service sunday in st. petersburg for the 224 victims of the russian plane crash in egypt. a bell rang once for each person in the crashed. >> in the sinai peninsula, investigators are trying to figure out if a bomb downed the airbus. >> fbi accepted moscow's request to join the investigation after the data recorder revealed a sound in its final second that is speculated to be an explosive. now back to "lock-up." >> due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised.
on any given episode of lock up extended stay, there a handful of special shots that bring a sense of movement and flow to the often stagnant world of prison and jail. on every extended stay shoot, camera man steve field joins our five-person crew for a few days to shoot nothing but steady cam footage. >> i walk with officers and inmates and walk along the perimeter. it's a feeling that you are really in that spot. it's a massive piece of gear. when i suit up, i get looks from both the inmates and corrections officers. >> it's a serious bit of work. you have to know where you are and what you are doing and make eye contact with the inmates.
whey learned over time is they are real people. when you hear the stories and realize somewhere along the line, they made a bad mistake. instead of took this road, they took this road. when you talk to them face-to-face, you learn something about human nature. that's what it looks like. >> i do enjoy it. i am happy to go in there. i'm very happy to go home. >> while we bring our own artistry and jail to prison, there is plenty to be found inside already. >> doing lock up, we encounter a lot of people who have tremendous talent as artists. it amazes me because i wonder did they learn the art there or is this something they had known before they got locked up? it seems like a waste because i
wonder what they could be doing if they were on the outside with their artwork. at the tulsa county jail, anthony drew pictures of others in exchange for commissary snacks. he was working on native american clyde cook. >> indian art and eagles and peace pipes. dream catchers from his tribe and stuff like that. >> i met him years ago and try to get all i can get while i can get it. >> i have number two pencils and rolled up newspaper. i lay lead down and that's how i do my shaving. i draw with the pencil, but i shave with these right here. this is my hustle in here. this is how i eat. i charge $5 to $7. it's honest hustle. i probably average about maybe three a week. three or four a week. this month was a good month.
i probably made about $100 this month. >> at indiana state prison, ron jacobs picked up a nickname. >> my snake him in is picasso. it helps me get through day to day being locked in this cell. >> i only encountered him because i was walking on the tier and saw his cell. it was set up like an artist den. he had palettes he had created this world in which he could do his work. >> i think if artwork doesn't give you a reaction, you are not doing it right. it should shock, revolt, inspire, bring happiness, tears of joy or sadness, whatever. art should be used for something other than hanging on your wall. i look for magazines and i use women's profiles and i don't look at them as sex objects, but more as inspiration. women are the most beautiful thing on the earth and i try it enhance their bodies to fit
whatever criteria i feel. >> most of the team agree that is when tulsa county inmate richard roberts did was beyond belief. >> this is soap off the floors of the showers left over. it's not new soap. it's used soap. >> i never have seen anything like this. there was an eagle and you can see the texture and the feathers and beautiful stuff. to think it came from scraps of soap on the floor was unbelievable. >> he loved it. this made his time go by and he used it as a business. he sold the pieces and had money for his commissary. >> they were appreciated by
inmates and staff. they were deemed to be contraband and removed from his cell. the chief deputy who ran the jail did put them on display in other parts of the facility. >> he had an elephant with the big ears and the feet and the tusks. it was phenomenal. phenomenal. i wish they could use those talents for something other than soap sculptures in jail. >> coming up -- >> it has been a long day. >> a job makes a difference. it's what sparks ideas. moves the world forward. invest with those who see the world as unstoppable. who have the curiosity to look beyond the expected and the conviction to be in it for the long term. oppenheimerfunds believes that's the right way to invest...
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>> it's true that lock up covers a lot of dark subject matter. it's also about so much more. we cover stories that often times are inspiring. poignant and believe it or not, often funny. there is humor in jail and prison. >> they disappear? see? where did it go? >> their humor can serve as an ice breaker even about weight gain from high calorie commesary snacks. >> i'm getting a sonogram tomorrow. >> any idea who could be the father? you excited? >> why not try to bring some humor? something different. just to break the ice. >> that was good. that was good. you are the only one to come up with that one. that was good. >> do you know if there any veterinarians close by? >> i don't know. why? >> because these puppies are sick. >> that's pretty bad as.
>> he brings this really good energy. a limited repertoire of jokes. if i hear his veterinarian joke one more time, i'm going to shoot myself. how does it feel to show those muscles in front of men who are times your side? >> they are nude at every facility, but we as crew members, we heard them many, many times. we laugh to make him feel better. >> even kelly repeating his favorite joke is no comparison to the monotony experienced by most inmates. that's why work details that often pay pennies an hour are so highly coveted.
they offer time out of a cell and something to do. the most common jobs are working in the kitchen or some form of janitorial duty. >> i'm a sanitation worker. one of five. a couple guys at the bottom. >> with the 72-year sentence, convicted of dealing narcotics, chaz harper welcomes every opportunity to stay busy at indiana wabash valley correctional facility. >> sweep around the cracks and get underneath the tracks and come back with a big broom. >> how many times a day do do you this? >> three or four. depending on how many times i get out. >> he doesn't mind cleaning the showers, he hates showering in them.
>> you have to do a hand stand to get the soap off of your private area. look how close you have to get against the wall. if you are fat, that's not going to happen. you get outside, out of your cell more. >> how much do you make? >> about $30 a month. it is what it is. same thing over and over. >> left, left. >> we have seen unusual jobs as well. the maricopa county jail at phoenix, arizona has the only female chain gang in the nation. they assist a local catholic church with bus. >> the body of james and may his soul find its home with you in heaven. >> i remember one shot i was able to get, i climbed into the back of the vehicle that they were using to transport the casket. i came in behind as the female
inmates were pulling the casket out. the lighting was interesting and visually it was dynamic. that's a situation that sticks with me. ♪ >> as a former navy combat cameraman, kelly related even more to vaszle vernon's job at the santa rosa correctional institute in florida. vernon was one of the chain gang workers whose job was to tend crops on the prison farm. >> vernon had a special duty he called the cadence.
>> a lot of the cases i do, i freestyle. it comes to me at a moment and i sound off and we all do it in unison. >> of course it reminded me of boot camp. at times going through the discipline and the camaraderie. there is camaraderie. everyone is together listening to the same cadence. there is a discipline to it. everybody has to be in step or it's not going to work. it brought back memories. it was pretty neat and cool to be involved with that. >> one of the more interesting and necessary jobs i have seen in a jail or prison was in louisville. >> nothing. talking to you. >> it was called on one and a general population inmate was brought into a segregation unit. she would sit outside the cell of a distressed inmate who was
locked up 23 hours a day and engage that person. if they were getting distraught, this person would just bring them down. talk them down. >> during only her third week on the job, crystal was assigned to an inmate from suicide watch. >> she would scream and yell and i was one person who could get through to her. i acted like she was high daughter. i was being a mother. it's like she promises she will be good. you can work with all of them if you find the way to do it. >> it was wonderful to see that communication and how powerful that was. the locked up inmate, the segregated inmate at least felt like somebody cared and somebody they could talk to and they were like counsellors. >> go eat your dinner. yell for me if you need anything. >> there have been a few jobs that really made a lasting impression. one was an embroidery shop.
we walked inside and it was not only the size of the shop, but it was a huge operation. it was like a facility you would see on the outside. it was what they were making. they were making american flags. here these inmates were making the symbol of freedom and they are incarcerated in a maximum security prison. >> chester says depending on their size, he can make up to 100 flags a month. >> what are the flag represents, purity, honesty, justice, freedom. they got other jobs around, but being able to do this helps me. it gives me peace. >> it sticks to me to this day. i see american flags flying in the wind and i think of hey, this might have come from lime on, colorado and could have been an inmate that made that. >> some inmate jobs not only teach skills that can lead to
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and help stop joint damage. enbrel, the number one rheumatologist-prescribed biologic. >> jobs in jail or prison are important to the inmates. not only does it break up the monotony of jail life, but gives them a sense of purpose. a lot of people are very prideful in what they are doing or about to do. >> that's the rice right here. gourmet. i cooked it. >> some of the people taught me they never had this experience on the outside and they're waking up at 4:00 or 5:00 to go to work and working 9, 10, 12 hours a day. a lot expressed that this gives them hope in getting out and getting a 9 to 5 job and that goes beyond the jails of the prison. >> some jails provide the training that prepare inmates
for careers on the outside. at the santa rita jail near oakland, california, it was about barbering and cosmetology. >> pinch the hair and pull the comb away. shape the nails first before you soak them in the finger bowl. >> i like coming because it gives me something to do and i'm learning a whole lot. >> i take the class, i can get a certificate to do cosmetology. >> to earn a degree in
cosmetology or go to state board, you need 1600 hours. we don't have the capacity to provide that here at santa rita, so they can graduate with a certificate of completion when they completed the course. they hopefully are inspired to continue the education on the outside. so they can earn the hours and operations that they need. if it didn't tear, it's pretty
good. >> inside the suffolk county jail in new york, an professional bakery where they make the rolls served at every meal. >> that's a good dough. he did a good job. >> it's under a staff member with real world experience. >> i'm not a ceo. i'm a jail cook. >> before he came to work at the jail, christopher ran his own restaurant. >> the restaurant business is brutal. no benefits or no 401(k) or insurance. so i came here. for a
normal job. i learned in a matter of a day and a half watching them and he walked me through it and told me if i needed a hand to let him know. just like somebody do it themselves. it's good dough. >> tight and round, gentlemen. tight and round. >> when you work as a chef, you get to leave it on the table. everything is to this table.
this dough, what you do with this when they are formed this way, you hit it twice and knock the air out of it. >> you can see the inmates liked and admired him. he hood he had so much enthusiasm and energy. the knowledge he had and everything was about this bread and making this perfect dough. >> make them pretty. come on. no ugly dough. >> you can see the inmates shine when they got it right. >> under his watchful eye, the inmates bake about 3300 rolls a day along with other paste res and desserts for administrative functions. >> i work every day. 5 to 2. six days a week. you get one day off a week. it's good to have a new skill. i can apply this and it could help me with a future job. who knows. >> i have been here for a month and a half and i love it. it breaks up the monotony of the
day and gets me out of the dorm. i hate sitting around. you want to teach them and if you have time, you teach them. you are here. you have nothing but time. you might as well learn something. >> many of the workers left jail and went directly to jobs as a nationally known industrial bakery. there may no longer be permanent job opportunities down the road, the inmates enjoy another perk. >> they get to eat better. you are not sitting in a dorm with everybody else. they come down and they work. i make them work hard. for that they get to eat better than they would if they were not working. >> i can eat these all day. that explains this.
right now we're going to call the sergeant, let them know what's going on. and there's urine coming up the floor. >> recently sentenced to prison, a troubled, young inmate attempts to make a final impression on staff. >> why can't you ask like you have some sense? >> another inmate acts out in order to achie a