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tensions there. we'll speak to a faculty member about the decision. president obama and israel's prime minister meeting face to face for a first time in a year. right now, the funeral under way for a 6-year-old boy fatally shotted and killed by two city marshals in louisiana as more questions arise about what happened. and ben carson versus everyone? he's sounding off on media scrutiny but the fellow sa candidates are saying get used to it. this is politics. but we begin with that developing news out of missouri aside growing protests over racist incidents on the university of missouri's columbia campus. the president of the university system tim wolf resigns. >> we stopped listening to each other. we department respond or react. we got frustrated with each other. i take full responsibility for
this frustration and i take full responsibility for the inaction that has occurred. please, please use in resignation to heal. not to hate. and let's move forward together for a brighter tomorrow. >> a lot of students and faculty applauding and celebrating the resignation praising the decision after what they considered to be his inadequate handling of harassment compla t complaints. joining me now with more in columbia is nbc's sarah dallof. sarah? >> reporter: well, good afternoon, kate. you know, over the weekend the football team, some 30 players, announced they would not participate in any team activities until the president stepped down or resigned. that really thrust this story in to the national spotlight. however, the calls for action began months ago following a string of racist incidents at this school and a response by the then president described by
some as woefully inadequate. the incidents include racial slurs being shouted at students, include a swastika on a dorm wall. the reaction to the president stepping down was emotional. students and faculty that staged a walkout erupted into cheers, some wipes tears from their eyes. we talked to some students about their emotion. >> i think it's amazing that he resigned. it was a long time coming. it needed to happen for the safety of the students and jb. >> reporter: that's -- that jb refers to jonathan butler, the graduate student on a hunger strike to draw attention to the situation. he entered the seventh day and quickly posted to facebook that his hunger strike was over. his supporters cheering him on. we are awaiting a press conference by the athletic department to begin in an hour. they had issued a statement which said their concern was always for the safety of
students, the wellbeing of their teammates. they said they'll resume team activities tomorrow. >> all right. sarah dallof, thanks so much. we have seen students cheering the resignation and we should point out that not everyone is happy with the outcome on the anonymous messing app the tone of reaction is different. hoo rer a few of the posts, questioning the protests, pressing anger over wolf's resignation. kind of feel like everything is blown out of proportion. i paid thousand s 0 of dollarso go here. if teachers cancel classes because someone is offended, i don't believe that's fair. the more negative publicity the school gets, the less value the degrees hold. keep that in mind. joining me now is cynthia frisbee, associate professor of strategic communication at the missouri school of journalism. dr. frisbee, are you there? >> i'm here. >> joining us by phone because
we couldn't quite get you to a camera. what do you think of the words of the former president saying i want you to use the resignation to heal, not hate? it's a haul order, isn't it? how will you heal on campus and move forward? >> well, i think that's a very good question. i think it's what i talked about in my post where using this as a teachable moment. i think, you know, any time we talk race relations or we talk anything political or anything like that, it becomes very emotional. but i think what we need to do is have more listening and sitting down and conversations that allow us to move forward and come up with strategies and learning how to understand one another. i know that sounds idealistic but that's what i think is needed. and less than hours that i put up my post, i have received so many calls and so many e-mails wanting to ask the questions like, why do all lives matter? why is that problematic?
i think people are just starved for that. >> you're talking about your facebook posts that you put up a couple of days ago. >> yes. >> we can't see you right now. you are african-american. you wrote on facebook i have lived in columbia and been at the university for almost 18 years. during this time, i have been called the n-word too many times to count. and yes, i have had a few faculty call me the n-word and treat me with incredible disrespect. yes, faculty. when we read that post we were stunned. is it really that pervasive on campus there? >> you know, it's pervasive everywhere. so i would say it's like it doesn't happen on a daily basis. you know? they're us lated incidents but i believe, also, they're what could happen anywhere and want to i was wanting to respond to. like people were asking why was i still here? i just feel like it's going to
be wherever i go. i will have of to deal with that to some extent. >> do you think president wolf of had any choice but to resign today? >> i think it was just snowballing. i think it was -- i think he did not -- right. you know, like i just think it was just one of those situations that was just going to continue to become an avalanche had something not happened. >> and as you say, when you were talking before about trying to move forward and have dialogue and conversations about all this on campus, i guess just finally i wonder what you see coming in the weeks ahead then. what needs to happen on campus? >> discussions and talks and where people who are angry at each side sit down and ask questions like, i think being mad or being angry without understanding a lot of my students have been saying please
talk to us. please tell us. they also know that i'm candid and open in the classroom we talk about these things because they need to learn from me or for just hear different perspectives and so i think moving forward on it, that's what we need. we don't need like on the halls that people are yelling or -- you don't listen to the other people when you let it get to that point. >> scynthia frisby, thank you fr being with us. >> thank you. >> best of luck. at this hour, funeral services for a 6-year-old louisiana boy who was shot by city marshals last week as he sat in the front seat of his dad's suv. jeremy martis killed, his father wounded after the law enforcement officers pursued the vehicle. questions remain exactly what led to the chase in the first place. the officers stafford and greenhouse jr. have been charged with second-degree murder and
attempted second-degree murder and the bond was set today at $1 million apiece. for more let's bring in nbc's charles hadlock from marksville, louisiana. charles? >> reporter: goomp, kate. the bond heres was this morning. each of the officers is placed under $1 million bond each charged with second-degree murder and second-degree attempted murder. they still haven't disclosed according to state police exactly why they were chase iin the car. this all happened on tuesday night here in the town of marksville. marksville is about 5,000 people. about three hours drive northwest of new orleans. happened on tuesday night. at the end of a road, a dead end road. city marshals cornered the vehicle that few was driving. he got out of his car an apparently was shot at least 18 times. at least 18 shots were fired. five of them struck the little boy, 6-year-old jeremy martis
who's being buried right now in the home state of mississippi. hattiesburg, mississippi, about four hours away. they still don't know why this happened. the coroner for the parrish initially told reporters when he arrived on the scene, the two city marshals said they were trying to issue a warrant on few but the state police conducting an investigation says they found no warrants on few. they said that there was no reason for the city marshals to be chasing him apparently. they're still investigating that angle of the story. adding to this is a body camera. there's a third officer of marksville responded and wearing a body camera and supposedly shows exactly what happened. and according to one state police officer, who saw the video says it's the most disturbing thing he's ever seen. that video discussed today in a closed-door bond hearing for the two two men. the immediate i don't not
allowed in but the attorney for the family was there and he says he believed the video shows that christopher few got out of the vehicle with the hands up before he was shot. all of this has not been confirmed by the state police. they're still holding that video. they're not expecting to release it any time soon. this case still has to go to a grand jury for charges against the two men. >> all right. >> kate? >> charles hadlock, thank you. straight ahead, another developing story to follow this hour. two americans killed while training police recruits inside jordan. how it could impact the fight against isis. plus, 100 students named in as is sexting scandal accused of trading nude photos like baseball cards with the help of secret apps. parents are asking when's a ghost app? and scrutiny at the top of the polls. ben carson questions why watchdogs an critics are digging into the past.
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the death toll rising from that attack in the middle east today. now six people confirmed killed including two americans, the u.s. contractors and a south african colleague along with two jordanians were shot and killed at a u.s. funded police training center in jordan. the gunman, a jordanian police officer killed at the scene. two other americans and three jordans injured in that shooting. president obama vowed a full investigation. >> we take this very seriously and will be working closely with the jordanians to determine exactly what happened. but at this stage, i want to just let everyone know that this is something we're paying close
attention to and at the point where the families have been notified, obviously, our deepest condolences will be going out to them. >> for more let's bring in nbc news chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski. hi, jim. >> reporter: kate, you know, a short time ago state department confirmed that the four americans, two killed, two wounded, they were working as private con r contractors as trainers and monitors at the police training facility. but the big question remains why did the shooter carry out this attack? was he specifically tar getting americans? did he have some kind of link to a militant or terrorist organization? or as reports have indicated to us, he was a former police officer, some kind of officer for the police force, there in jordan who's reportedly fired recently? did he conduct this attack on
the police facility as some kind of vendetta for a grievance? whatever. that remains a mystery right now and under investigation, investigation which according to u.s. officials here and at the state department is just now beginning, kate. >> all right. jim, thank you so much. let's bring in foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin for more on the training facility in jordan. >> reporter: this training facility where the shooting took place is reminiscent of many of the facilities that u.s. has around the region in which it actually trains members of other security forces from around the country. we understand according to jordanian sources that this was a training facility, training both palestinian security forces as well as iraqi police forces from neighboring countries. they're brought here jordan and relatively safer, more stable than some of these other countries and it is there that u.s. and other foreign contractors train these various
security agencies an all kinds of tactics. in the past, we have seen u.s. trainers and military personnel in countries like afghanistan the subject of insider attacks. but this is really a rare situation the see in a country like jordan where there's a close working relationship between the united states and squl jordanian security personnel. nonetheless as we mentioned at this stage the investigation into the background of this individual is ongoing. though relatives, again, from this individual's family, tell nbc news in jordan they do not believe it to be a terrorist attack as of yet. kate? >> all right. ayman mohyeldin in cairo. thank you so much. let's bring in kevin baron of defense one and msnbc national security analyst joining us now. kevin, nice the see you. >> you, too. >> we have seen these kind of attacks in iraq, afghanistan. but now in jordan. i can't recall that happening before. when's the significance?
>> well, it's significant that it's in jordan and the facility. this is a premier training facility for special operations and the joint police units like we saw and talking about that was built in part by the u.s. army, that's funded by the u.s. government, that many four-star generals have blessed and gone to visit it and see it. and as was just said, supposed to be a gathering point for the elite security forces of countries around the region and afghanistan to come and train. so not just infiltrate, you know, the larger training program that is are happening in afghanistan at the height of that war or iraq but to get into jordan, to be a local, national -- that's definitely concerning. >> some have called him a disgruntled former police officer. makes you think of what happened sometimes domestically and someone goes into a workplace and unfortunately shoots people because they're angry for losing
their job. is it as simple as that? >> i don't want to read anything into it. if anything, there's several nationalities of victims. doesn't seem to be targeted against americans if that's an indication. i think let that information take its course. i would think, though, that highlights the jordan's importance for the united states as a hub for gathering regional elite forces to do counterterrorism work. this is the way the war is being fought. they have facilities there for practicing with hijackings and breaches urban buildings. if it's not secure, that's a problem. >> as you say, jordan a key ally in the fight against isis. does this risk hindering our relationship, the u.s. relationship, with jordan or not? >> oh, i can't imagine. king abdullah is a good friend of the pentagon, a frequent visitor. they roll out not just the red carpet but the full military parade.
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the option under colorado law is to charge them with child pornography. which would label them a sex offender the rest of their life. >> wow. >> it's possible they may not bring up the charges but that right now legally is the one option. >> because those laws exist from a pre-sexting era, right? >> exactly. and colorado legislators are already looking at how they can change the law. 20 states have already changed it to take sexting into account and give other options with misdemeanors and not making this a felony crime. >> talk to me about the ghost apps we are talking about. >> right. a lot of people asking, 100 naked photos, how could a parent not have seen that? the kids are hiding them. they have gotten very good. there are these apps disguised like something like a calculator and type in 60 plus 60 there's the proper answer.
typing in your specific code that's when you get these vaulted pictures that are hidden. >> vault apps, ghost apps. you are hiding a certain amount of stuff on your phone where nobody can see it without a password. >> exactly. there's some with decoy passwords. if you get caught and ask for a secret app pass word, give them one coming up with pictures you are okay with them seeing. >> oh! >> it's deceptive. it's hard for parents and really from the people i have been talking to, the best advice, keep an eye on what they're doing, downloading and talk to them. tough have ra conversation. they have to understand the consequences here. and that in the end you're not staying on top of tech nlg. >> you are right. my 10-year-old and almost 13-year-old are way far ahead of me on apps and technology. so thank you, kristen. next hour we are going to be talking more about how parents can find and prevent those apps from getting on the kid's phones
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next republican debate tomorrow night in milwaukee and while donald trump will take the center podium as the number one candidate if recent polls, most of the attention may be focused on ben carson who's fighting back against allegations he embellished parts of the biography. he is criticizing the media. >> do you think that you're being treated somehow differently? >> yes. >> that seems to be the implication. >> absolutely. i have given lots of speeches. we can spend every day from now
until the election going through -- you said this. what about this? what about this? we can talk about important issues. i prefer to talk about important issues. the american people are speaking volumes saying they're tired of this garbage. >> joining me now from the debate site in milwaukee, nbc's chris jansing and conducted that interview with ben carson over the weekend. you covered a lot of ground in that interview. give us for people that missed it the highlights of where you see ben carson at right now. >> reporter: well, i think he is both on defense which you saw him saying he doesn't think this is fair. blaming it on the media. but when's also interesting is that his campaign and his superpac are going on offense and by that i mean if you look at the facebook page, it is up to 4.6 million plus friends. they are posting point by point rebuttals to what they see as unfair comments. now, some of them don't necessarily hold. one of the criticisms of his was
that a class he talked about taking at yale didn't exist. they posted a syllabus and that syllabus from 2002. not when ben carson was in school. but this morning they posted an article from "parade" magazine and questions raised about the story that he had said where he almost or attempted to stab originally he said a friend and then a relative. nobody could confirm it. but there is an article from the late '90s in "parade" his mother talks about that very event. they're doing those kinds of things. meantime, the superpac has september out a fund raising letter looking for people who he operated on. they want to emphasize the positive parts of the resume which was his time as a neurosurgeon and they have hired some very impressive media folks who are going to shoot commercials with the people who as they say had their lives saved by dr. carson. a combination of him going on
defense saying, listen, i think this is us versus them. that's the phase he used with me and the affirmative trying to get out the other side of the story. here's chris christie and mike huckabee both responding. >> i heard him this morning say he's more scrutinized than anybody in this race and unfair. is he kidding? a couple of days asked about something you put in the books, i have to tell you, i don't have a llt of sympathy. >> running for office you are put through the sausage grinder. i heard him say that, you know, people are looking into his personal life and they're going after him. i'm thinking, pal, you ain't seen nothing yet. >> chris christie going through bridgegate and so what do you expect tomorrow night at the debate? do you expect a lot of the same thing? >> reporter: well, that's going to be interesting, sint it? those two on the undercard and some of the people on the stage with him have not criticized him
so far. in fact, have kind of joined him in criticism of the media. but i think there are a lot of people run for president or been president and take strong issue with what ben carson's contention was, that nobody has ever been vetted as strongly as he has. josh earnest talked about it at the podium at the white house today. i asked him specifically and the controversies, for example, with president obama's birth certificate that went on for not just months and years. he said, no, he is being vetted more than that. first read did an interesting look at some of the other portions of criticism that have come out from president obama. and the number of articles that were published on that, "the new york times" and "the washington post" stories on reverend wright and the former pastor who made controversial comments, 165. 41 "the new york times" and "the washington post" stories on bill ayers, an anti-war activist that
the president had an association with and people may take issue with that and interesting to see at a business debate and where they say they're going to focus on the issues how much tomorrow focuses on whether or not some of the stories that are in the biography of ben carson ring true, kate. >> all right. chris jansing in milwaukee waiting for the debate to begin there. thanks so much. on the eve of that next debate jeb bush looking for a solid performance to calm donor anxiety. he's set to share the stage with wisconsin governor and former 2016 candidate himself scott walker. for the latest on the jeb bush campaign, i'm joined by msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt live in -- let me see if i'll say it right. wakeisha, wisconsin. >> reporter: waukasha,
wisconsin. no problem. now, scott walker, of course, taking this step back out on to the national stage with jeb bush here in public and private with marco rubio. walker's taking his time endorsing someone else in the 2016 field. it's been reported that many of these candidates are courting him. rubio in particular. but he doesn't plan to make a decision until likely early next year. in many ways to potentially maximize his impact in the race. you have to remember when we started this six months ago we thought scott walker and jeb bush were likely going to be fighting it out between themselves for this nomination and now we have seen, of course, walker flame out very quickly. drop out of the race entirely and bush in search of a comeback narrative and while we won't see walker endorsed by -- excuse me, see walker endorse bush today, it will be an interesting
possibility drama to see them on the same stage, kate. >> my apologies to the good walks of waukesha, wisconsin, my apologies. thank you. hillary clinton filed to appear on the new hampshire ballot and secured the endorsement of a key environmental group ahead of an environmentalist for hillary campaign event due to get under way minutes from now. joining many sekelly o'donnell ahead of the clinton campaign in new hampshire. you're enroute to the event, right? >> reporter: well, she will be holding a town hall here at the high school a hit later. it's significant in part because the league of conservation voters and their pac don't typically endorse this early, no votes have been cast yet and certainly on the democratic side, when you look at senator sanders or former maryland governor o'malley, they, too, have strong records in the environmental community. so getting an endorsement for hillary clinton at this point is
significant in part because it is intended to gal van size some of the voters for whom that's such a big issue so the group says it's time to act now. ahead of its normal pace because the stakes are high. concern that is if there were a republican elected in this next election that some of the steps the president has taken could be rolled back. so that's why the timing is significant. and a choice among three democrats who all have good records coming to the environment so that's the significance of this endorsement today for clinton. as you pointed out, she filed for her place on the new hampshire ballot. this was actually the fourth time she squeezed into -- we all squeezed into that little room and on behalf of her husband twice for the '92 and '96 campaign. in new hampshire in 2007 ready for her 2008 run and then today signing the paperwork, the throng of people very different. certainly when you add in the number of cameras and social media component, different than
the first time doing that ballot filing here in new hampshire. kate? >> she was asked to respond to the bernie sanders' they adisagree on virtually everything. >> oh, no. of course not. no. look. i think we're in the political season and people, you know, they say all sorts of things but, of course not. i mean, that would mean he doesn't agree with me on equal pay for family leave and making sure incomes raise. that's obviously not the case. >> kelly, she is trying to keep the differences to a minimum and he is trying to play up the differences. >> reporter: and we have learned from bernie sanders' campaign he wants a sharper contrast with secretary clinton, especially going into the next debate where many people feel that perhaps he had a given a bit of a pass on the issue of e-mails with the now famous comment not caring about the damn e-mails and
certainly secretary clinton is trying to take the position of being sort of embracing of -- referred to the three democrats in the race. she was also asked about just a simple notion of being a democrat because in new hampshire bernie sanders, who is an independent, in the senate did file as a democrat and clinton responded she's been a democrat for a long time and worked on behalf of many democratic candidates over the years. a sutd l but important point. kate? >> kelly, thank you so much. hillary clinton was joined by bernie sanders and martin o'malley at the first in the south democratic candidates' forum hosted by rachel maddow. what did we learn about the candidates? for that we turn to steve kornacki. steve, hi. >> hi, kate. it was an interesting forum. on tv, it was interesting thing to watch and some of the -- we got a little bit of an ind wind
into the thinking of the candidates. starting with hillary clinton. an interesting exchange of her and rachel maddow on the topic of foreign policy and something if you believe the polls and you believe hillary clinton's likely to be the nominee of the democrats, that's something republicans are already getting ready to attack her on in the general election. why? president obama's poll numbers particularly not strong when it comes to his handling of foreign policy and rachel maddow asked and kicked off a series of examples with hillary clinton, libya, syria, iraq, you have taken more hawkish positions than the president on these particular ibs stances. would it be fair to say you're more hawkish than the president? >> is it fair for people to expect that you would be a more aggressive commander in chief than president obama has been? >> no. and here's why. i spent a lot of time with president obama in the situation room, struggling over a lot of really difficult decisions. i think the next president's
going to have the same and maybe different but continuations of some of the ones we currently have the struggle over, as well. however, i will not i think it's irresponsible to rule out force. i just will not do that. it should always be the last resort, not the first choice. >> really interesting moment there. a point-blank answer from hillary clinton. would you be more aggressive than president obama? she said, no. you can just imagine republicans in the fall if they get to face hillary clinton they want to make the argument that barack obama has been weak on foreign policy. now they have hillary clinton saying i will not be more aggressive. it was interesting window maybe into the strategic thinking on hillary clinton's part that she is still worried about giving away space on the left and ahead in the primary. speaking of that, just a minute ago, you were talking about bernie sanders and the stepped up attacks of bernie sanders from his campaign. this is a very awkward moment for sanders priding himself on always running positive campaigns, never running attack
ads. now he finds himself 30 points behind nationally, behind in iowa and new hampshire. so as the people around him telling him, you have to draw a sharp contrast with hillary clinton and where the comment to "the boston globe" came from and he sounded conflicted. listen to this. >> i can't walk down a hallway in the nation's capitol without people begging me to beat up on hillary clinton. attack hillary clinton. tell me why. i resisted and resisted and resisted. all right? because i think unlike the republican friends there who think that politics is about attacking each other in incredibly stupid and destructive ways i think what we are doing is having a sensible debate on the important issues facing america. >> you could just see it's not bernie sanders sachl language, natural tone on the attack and making the argument if i say something negative, the media is forcing me to do it. this is not a natural attack dog
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today president obama met with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu in the oval office for their first sitdown in a year. we'll go there live in our next hour for a full read-out. perhaps after this visit, obama and the prime minister will be friends on facebook. in lighter presidential news, that's right, president obama launched his very own personal facebook page today. he kicked it off with a walk through his backyard. >> a lot of what i do is just think about how i want to make sure that the beauty of this particular national park, but
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>> hi, everyone. i'm kate snow. we're following breaking developments out of the university of missouri. that press conference expected this hour. let's catch you up. tim wolf, the president of the university of missouri school system resigned today and made a call for change in doing so. >> change comes from learning, caring and conversation. and we have to respect each other enough to stop yelling at each other and start listening, and quit intimidating each other. through our role or whatever means we decide to use. >> many on campus, including the football team had been calling
on the president to resign. for the latest, i'm joined by sarah dallof who has been following the developments for us. >> reporter: good afternoon, kate. there have been a lot of dwea developments today. we've seen over 30 football players come out in support of removing the president. they said they would not play, not participate in any team activities until that happened. that put the pressure on, seemed to be a turning point in this push for change. it made national headlines, but the action began months ago, following a string of racist incidents at the school to which people said the president's response was woefully inadequate. from racial slurs shouted at students to a swastika drawn on a dorm wall. reaction to the news that the president would step down was emotional for students and faculty who had stepped out of the classroom who were doing a
walk-out. there were cheers, some wiped away tears. there's been a lot of support from across the nation thrown behind these students, including from mizzou alum turned pro football player michael sam. earlier today he tweeted his support. and this afternoon i spoke to him about his reaction to the president's resignation. >> the students need a voice and they believe that he failed in his duties to accommodate or to educate and to make known these matters, and he had to leave. >> and the athletic department is holding a press conference shortly earlier this afternoon, they sent out a statement saying they will resume activities for the football team tomorrow. meanwhile, a graduate student, jonathan butler, who was on a hunger strike, on his seventh day, has tweeted that that is over. he's once again eating as students continue to say, this is just a first step, they want to seize upon this momentum and make policy changes, make
staffing changes and make things in the future that will be real and lasting change. kate? >> sarah, thanks so much. we'll get back to that story as soon as there's any news out of missouri. a scathing report out from the world anti-doping agency, rising russia's government and its athletes of widespread doping and cover-ups. it recommended a lifetime ban on five russian coaches and five russian athletes, including a former olympian. the 350-page report is part of a ten-month investigation by an independent commission that looked back as far as the 2012 london olympics. nbc's keir simmons has the latest from london now. keir? >> good afternoon. russia accused of cheating so bad that the olympics in london was sabotaged while there's corruption and bribery at the highest levels of international
athletics, that's how a report described its conclusions while the world's governing body of athletics federation was also implicated, accused of widespread inaction. its president saying he will seek sanctions against russia. one of the authors of the report saying that the 2016 olympic games, our recommendation is that the russian federation be suspended. >> very dramatic report. >> what we hope is that russia will seize the opportunity to move forward and to take a lead in attacking a problem that has the potential to destroy sport. >> and his report recommends that five athletes and five coaches, all from russia, be banned for life, but it doesn't look, kate, as if russia is listening. the director of russia's anti-doping agency denounced the
report as unprofessional. for more on the fall-out, i'm joined by our sports reporter mary. even when you read the summary of these 350 pages, it's a dramatic report with a lot of accusations in it. does it mean the russians don't go to rio next summer. >> mr. pound called this the nuclear option. so i don't think it's off the table. what's incredible about this report, doping rumors are part of sports and they have been for a long time. and the russians have been at the top of this. but this report doesn't just indemnify the athletes, it talks about the systems, the laboratories, the government, and paints a picture that it's state sponsored and this idea that a lot of how these teams are preparing has not changed since the cold war.
this is something we haven't seen before recently. so having the athletes not in the games is also totally an option that we could see play out. >> we have some sound from dick pound, the commission chairman. here's the recommendation that he made today. okay, we don't have that sound bite. sorry, apologies, mary. but basically he said our recommendation is that the russian federation be suspended. and you said that's the worst case scenario. what's more likely to happen now given all the details of this report? >> i think there's going to be pushback. but more and more details will be coming out. what's noticeable about this case, is that it wasn't just a case told in drug test results. it was told in whistle-blowers. now that some people are out, the hope is that more people will talk and more information will come toward and the case against them, there could be tril charges. other countries are doing investigations as well. we're at the start of really
trying to understand what's going on here. >> are we talking about other sports being affected too? because this report focused on track and field. could this be other russian sports? >> absolutely. and the report states that, that we don't know if this is exclusive to the russians, nor do we think it's exclusive to track and field. power lifting is another sport that comes to mind that could be really impacted at the rio olympics. the jamaicans, the kenyans, the americans. doping is pervasive in sport and there's a lot of different country with these anti-doping organizations that are often run with all these conflicts of interest, that could come to light as well. so that is part of the russian pushback here, why are you picking on us when there's cheating everywhere? >> actually, to be fair, the russian sports minister said, whatever we do, it's bad. and another one said, they're only coming under scrutiny because they're so good. >> right, but a lot of people are good at the olympic level.
so all of these countries, i think it's a moment of sol soul-searching for the system. coaches, sports ministries, something that comes up in the russian case here, so looking at the structure of how we're policing this is going to come up naturally in these conversations, aside from the fact that these athletes, we don't know what the health consequences could be for them down the road. it used to be all about busting the athlete, and now we're seeing prosecutors take more of a look at the system at large. >> the organizations that support the athletes. mary, thanks so much. we want to go back now to columbia, missouri, where university of missouri president tim wolfe resigned earlier today amid racial tensions and i want to bring in missouri student body president peyton head. thank you for being with us on a busy day. >> thanks for having me today. >> you've been so deeply involved in all of this.
your reaction to the president resigning? >> i appreciate his commitment to students. i think it was very responsible on his part to acknowledge what is happening on this campus and acknowledge that his resignation is something that will help in healing the campus culture that we have here. >> you played a big part in all of this coming to the forefront, a lot of attention being paid to these issues. back in september, as i understand it, you said a man called you a racial slur as you were walking on campus. >> yes. >> and that wasn't the first time that's happened to you either. >> no. >> but this caught fire. describe to me what's happened on campus over these past few weeks, and where do you go now? >> yeah, so a lot has taken place on the campus. there's been walkouts, different demonstrations. the university has been in the news for a long time now for some of the things that are happening here because of the ineffective leadership that has
been in place. and the decisions that were made, that were the result of ineffective leadership. we've seen a variety of different incidents, from my own incident on campus where a student yelled the n word at me multiple times. that's not an isolated incident. it's been happening to students for so long. we've had the black homecoming court, they were verbally assaulted in the heart of campus. we've seen a swastika drawn. we are by no means blaming mr. tim wolfe for systematic oppression, but what we say we're concerned with is he doesn't understand systematic oppression and how it relates to running a system. university of missouri was built in 1839 as the first public land grant west of the mississippi river.
slavery wasn't abolished until 1865. so there's oppression here in the system that we have to acknowledge in order to move forward. how to create a campus culture inclusive of students regardless of how they identify. >> so now that the president will step aside, saying he's doing it out of love, not of hate. he said, i want the campus to move forward and mend and heal. how does that happen, just given everything you just said and what a difficult time this has been? >> oh, yes. the thing that people need to understand, this was just one part of the process. and i really do appreciate president wolfe and his leadership for this matter. our campus culture right now is hurting. students are hurting right now. we need to be able to have adequate resources to attend to the students, their mental and emotional progress. and i think a lot of that starts
in place with the efforts that need to be taken right now to create a more inclusive campus. let's talk about who are we hiring for our faculty? how do they represent the student body at large? what spaces do we offer on campus for marginalized students to feel welcome on the campus? what do our recruitment efforts and retention efforts look like to retain students who feel marginalized? more importantly, we can move forward together. students have talked about the idea of shared governance. that students will be at the table to help choose who will represent us. we're all over the place. the student body here at mizzou,
we come from over 50 states and over 120 different countries around the world. you have to understand how these different backgrounds the students hold play a role in the community that we have here today. >> in the st. louis dispatch, we're witnessing the power of today's college athletes. agree or disagree with them, you would be foolish to ignore them. they are becoming increasingly aware of their power, especially when it comes to issues of race. i wonder if the tipping point was the football team saying they would boycott? >> absolutely. they were very important. but it's important to acknowledge the work of students who have been fighting for this since ferguson, where we had three, black, queer women who were leading the charge for mike brown, where we saw protests and
demonstrations this semester to bring light to some issues on campus. and adding missouri football in the mix is perfect. this is something that people need to realize, this isn't just a mizzou issue, it's an issue all around the nation. but here at the university of mouti missouri, i'm proud that we're able to have these conversations on campus, so we can be a catalyst to look at what race relations look like on this campus and all across the nation. >> thanks so much for stopping by and giving us your perspective today. >> thank you. still ahead, students sending racy photos to each other, what can parents do when there are apps designed help to plok those photos. and so many questions surrounding a 6-year-old's death at the hands of two city marshalls. and two americans killed in jordan. coming up, we'll take a look at
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we're continuing to follow developments out of jordan where two american contractors were gunned down at a u.s. funded police training center this morning. a south african contractor and two jordanians were also killed in the attack. the gunman, a jordanian police officer was killed at the scene. president obama addressed the incident at the white house earlier today. >> we take this very seriously and will be working closely with the jordanians to determine what happened. but at this stage, i want to just let everyone know that this is something we're paying close attention to and it's a point
where the families have been notified. obviously our deepest condolences will be going out to them. >> for more, let me bring in chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski. what do we know this hour? >> the state department has revealed that the four americans, two killed and two wounded, all worked for a private contracting firm out of the u.s. they had been sent by the state department to jordan to serve as trainers and monitors at that international police training center just outside of oman, jordan. now, the big question remains, what caused the shooter to turn his weapon on the americans and those others who were killed and wounded? a total of seven wounded. there's still some questions as to whether perhaps the americans were intentionally targeted, or that the shooter acted out of
some grievance of some kind in which he imagined that he needed to take revenge. there were some reports that he was recently fired from his job with the jordanian police. all of that is under investigation. but we should not hesitate to point out here that jordan is one of the strongest allies the u.s. has in the region and vice versa, but there's no question that the jordanians will conduct a fair and thorough investigation, get to the bottom of what happened here, kate. >> jim at the pentagon, thanks. let's bring in daniel benjamin from dartmouth college, former counterterrorism coordinator for the us state department. good to see you. tell me about this facility, this training center, and how critical that, what kind of a mission it was performing. >> so the facility, which is
usually referred to at gip tick, was a police training facility established by the department more than a dozen years ago to do international police training. and some years ago, ownership was transferred to the jordanians, but it remained a facility for the u.s. and a number of different country's forces are trained there, including those of the palestinian authority. >> so how significant is this attack that we learned about this morning? >> so obviously it's a big shock and a tragedy for all those involved. there has not, to my knowledge, been an american killed in jordan under circumstances anything like this since 2002, when the usaid senior official at the embassy, lawrence foley, was killed. and that was presumed to be done by alczar ka wi's forces, the
man who created isis. so it's very, very rare and that's one reason why it's much too early to read any really big significance into this. we have lots of workplace shootings in the u.s., this could be something similar in jordan. >> and jordan is an ally in terms of our fight against isis? >> we have no better friend in the arab world than jordan. the united states is doing the overwhelming majority of the fighting in the work against isis. but among arab countries, jordan has been on the the top of the list in terms of the number of sorties flown over syria and iraq. if you combine those two. it's not a very large military, but certainly since the jordanian pilot was burned alive
by isis back in january, the jordanians have been determined members of this coalition. >> thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is in washington this afternoon as the u.s. and israeli governments look to mend strained relationships. this morning they sat down for a face to face meeting since the iran nuclear deal was finalized. an agreement netanyahu opposed. >> we'll also have a chance to talk about how implementation of the iran nuclear agreement is going. it's no secret that the prime minister and i have had strong disagreement on this narrow issue, but we don't have a disagreement on the need to make sure that iran doesn't get a nuclear weapon and we don't have a disagreement about the importance of blunting
destabilizing activities that may be taking place. >> the last time the prime minister was in washington, he addressed a joint session of congress over the president's objections. ron, a significant meeting today. >> reporter: indeed. and a very tough meeting, i would think. it went on at least three hours, we don't have the exact time. and the leaders emphasized, they were talking about things they have in common, shared values, shared goals, security for israel, and the united states as well. they talked about, for example, extending, renegotiating something called the memorandum of understanding, which is a military and security deal that the israelis and the united states have, worth billions of dollars a year to the israelis in military assistance. that deal is being renegotiated. the two sides are trying to figure out what the israelis need and what the united states can provide to them. on the iran nuclear deal, as you heard the president say, described it as a narrow issue, by the way, that they're talking about implementation, but this is something it seems the united
states and israel will never agree on. and as this treaty, as this implementation rolls out over the years to come, the israelis are fundamentally opposed to it. and they think the sanctions relief will provide the iranians with billions of dollars to fund terrorist activities that will be directed at israel. and lastly on the peace treaty with the palestinians, there seems to be no movement on that. netanyahu has said they're ready to make peace with whatever is ready to make peace with them. the white house announced a reassessment had been done of the possibility of a two-state solution and that the united states does not see that what's happening while president obama is still in office. a monumental marker there, that was laid down before the prime minister got here. so a lot on the agenda, unclear what was really produced out of this. no post meeting comments, and no
thorough read-out from the white house. so we'll see how all this plays out. and incidentally, this may be the last time these two leaders meet before president obama leaves office as well. >> ron, thanks so much. coming up, scott walker dropped out of the presidential race, to help, quote, clear the field for one conservative message. today he stepped out of the shadows and stands behind one of his former rivals. plus, will the resignation of missouri university president tim wolfe be enough to heal the wounds of a divided campus? gary pinkel is expected to hold his weekly press conference just minutes from now. we'll bring you that. up next the community mourns the death of a 6-year-old boy allegedly shot by marshalls, but what's next for the officers charged in the incident. and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a great taste. i don't plan on slowing down any time soon. stay strong. stay active with boost.
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carrying the young boy. the boy was hit five times. it's still not clear from the state police on exactly what started this. was there a chase? why were they chasing him? it ended at the end of a dead end road. several squad cars cornered the vehicle, shots fired, and a young boy was dead. now two officers are in the parish jail charged with second-degree attempted murder and second-degree murder. kate? >> thank you, charles. now i want to go to ari melber. such a sad story. we've been talking about it all weekend. would we be at this point without the body cam video? it sounds as if that's what led to the charges. >> we very well may not be. and that's a disturbing thing, because we'd like to think to whenever there's a crime, we look at it fairly, no matter who the perpetrator is.
however there's a great deal of deference given to police use of force. this is second-degree murder. this is basically the highest charge you can get for any kind of officer on duty. it's basically saying under state law, they had specific intent to kill and for no good reason. that's the worst thing you could have alleged against an officer. it means essentially, they were trying to murder someone, not protect the public. >> and no one's really clear on why they chased down the car or what the interaction was. >> no. >> and marshalls can get involved in enforcing warrants. >> there was some suggestion that there was a warrant out, but that hasn't been confirmed. there's a statement from the lawyer and police video, which we don't have yet, which is suggesting the idea that the motorist is not a threat, not
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now available in new single packs. back now with republican presidential politics, just four hours until the next republican debate. ben carson finding himself on the defensive after parts of his biography have been called into question by some. he addressed the execuscrutiny nbc's chris jansing. >> i have never seen this before and many other people who are politically experienced tell me they've never seen this before. >> you don't think that bill clinton, or the president with his birth certificate -- >> no, not like this. not even close.
>> so, what do you think is going on? why you? >> because i'm a threat. >> joining me from milwaukee where tomorrow night's debate is being held, hallie jackson. ben carson not at the center podium, but surely the focus of attention. >> still the center of attention, especially given the scrutiny and the headlines he's been making over the last four days, since questions about his life story have started to come out. you look at what the other candidates might do. when you speak generally about attacks, a couple of campaigns tell me their guy isn't going to go on offense, but if there's a punch, they will counterpunch. so that might give you a sense of the tenor the debate tomorrow night. even today, governor chris christie talking about if ben carson is going to run for president, then he has to be
prepared for the vetting that comes with that. pointing to his own experience, i have been in the spotlight, you will have to be too. that said, carson's getting backup from the republican party. listen to what ryan priebus had to say about the questions regarding carson's history. >> i do believe that this is a totally crazy obsession over incredible detail from 30 and 40 years ago. i think people need to move on to the next question. i'm not saying questions aren't appropriate, of course people can ask questions. but you get to a place where all the questions have been asked. >> so if this comes up tomorrow night, kate, which one thinks it certainly will, expect to see carson do what he's been doing over the last couple days, which is flip this and turn this around as a question against the media. turning this into a liberal media attack. we've seen him a couple of times with fiery interactions with
reporters, at trying to reframe this as something, as sort of a him versus the media kind of thing. >> there was some criticism after the last debate. what do we expect tomorrow in terms of the rules and the order of things? >> so one of the biggest differences, just from an optics perspective, there are going to be eight candidates on stage, instead of ten. so even though that might not translate to more talk time for these guys, at least from a perspective from those of us watching, it's going to look a little more winnowed down. fox business network is moderating, so expect to see the questions focus on the economy, tax policy. i wouldn't be surprised to hear small business or entrepreneurship questions come up, but it will generally be the same format. there's been talk of changing the format, but in this debate, you're going to see it fairly straightforward. that said, as some of the moderators have said publicly, all questions are essentially fair game. the candidates are expecting
this, to be focused on business and the economy. >> all right, hallie jackson in milwaukee ahead of the debate. thanks so much. and with that debate looming, jeb bush is already in wisconsin as well, where he's about to share the stage with wisconsin governor and former 2016 candidate scott walker. for the latest on the bush campaign, i'm joined by msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt, in waukesha, wisconsin. this isn't exactly an endorsement, right? >> that's right, kate. this isn't an endorsement. the gym here is very quiet while they're leading in the charter schoolchildren as we wait for jeb bush and scott walker to take the stage here. it's really pretty remarkable. we're seeing them in the same place at the same time. when you consider three months ago or so they were potentially considered duelling front-runners for the republican nomination. scott walker has now dropped out and bush is way behind in the polls.
we know walker will have a fund-raiser later today with marco rubio who had an event earlier in the day. but it's not likely we'll see him decide one way or the other who he's going to support until the new year, kate. >> kasie, i want to ask about something that came up on the campaign trail with jeb bush. "the new york times" magazine asking readers if they had the opportunity, would they kill a baby hitler. and jeb bush responded to that today. >> that's right, kate. apparently this has become the latest issue on the 2016 trail. jeb bush was in new hampshire last week and he did an interview with the huffington post and asked him that question. >> if you could go back in time and kill baby hitler, would you? hell yeah, i would. >> even if he was really cute. >> you know, you got to step up.
that would be key. >> you got to step up and do that. now that of course was as you said, a question that was posed for "the new york times." magazine readers said yes, they would kill hitler as a baby. they presented it as an ethical dilemma, what would you do, it could go on potentially save many lives. kate? >> kasie hunt, thanks so much. today, hillary clinton campaigned in new hampshire. a lot of places to keep track of here. where she filed to appear on that state's ballot. she also received an endorsement from a major environmental group, the league of conservation voters. >> this means a great deal to me to not only receive the endorsement, which, of course is incredibly impactful, but also to start the process of being
your partner as we build on the progress that has been made against pretty steep odds, and keep going here at moment and around the world. >> for more on the present campaign, we turn to nbc's kelly o'donnell in wyndham, new hampshire. >> it's been a busy day for hillary clinton today. that filing today was an important step to make it official to be on the new hampshire ballot. she told us in that group of reporters that she has fond memories here being the very first woman to ever win a primary in a national election. that of course was in 2008, winning the new hampshire primary, which was a key part of her story in that year, and of course this year, she wants to work hard to try to win support again. so that endorsement that you referred to there, important, because that group profound with environmentalists could have chosen bernie sanders or martin o'malley who also have strong records on the environment.
and they are making that endorsement today much earlier than they typically would, in part, their organizers say, because they believe the stakes are very high and that hillary clinton could be the kind of president should she win, that could keep their issues at the forefront. behind me is the high school where she will have a town hall meeting tonight. and one of the things that she was asked, mostly new hampshire reporters getting questions with her today. one of them was, will bill clinton be back anytime soon? i was with her when she was with her husband in iowa for his first campaign visit there. she said she does expect the former president will be campaigning for her sometime soon here in new hampshire. kate? >> all right, kelly o'donnell in new hampshire with the clinton campaign. we want to go now to the university of missouri where head football coach gary pinkel is giving his weekly press conference, this in the wake of the university's president resigning today amid escalating
protests over racist incidents that occurred on the school's campus in columbia. let's listen in. >> -- for what also of us have been dealing with. and i think certainly it's been also a great learning experience for everyone involved. these are -- or the past few days have been certainly extraordinary circumstances, for many reasons. for many reasons. but primarily because a young man's life, jonathan butler, his life was at stake. and that was real for our student athletes. that was real for our young men who compete on our football field, who maybe have never, ever dealt with that. and so our student athletes,
they decided to get involved. and quite frankly, simply, we supported them. as an athletic department, we talk about preparing champions for life. 550 student athletes. and we do everything we can to teach them, to educate them. at the end of the day, we're teachers, we're educators, and we do everything we can to do that. we do everything to do, that we can, to make sure that they're leaders. and they decided to be leaders in this issue. to save a life of a fellow student athlete. and not just our black student athletes, but our black and white student athletes made that decision, and all of our student athletes of the football program
of all colors. coach pinkel and i and others, we met with them, we listened to the team. we heard from our student athletes. we supported them. and i think it's important to know, during those discussions, there was never any, any talk about anybody losing their job. it was simply and primarily about a young man's life. i think all of us in this room believe that this is not a sports issue. that this is a societal issue. and it's certainly not unique to this great institution. and, yes, this great institution, our athletics program, is not perfect. i also understand that you wouldn't be here today if our football student athletes didn't decide to get involved.
all of us, and we've had intentional conversation about it, our coaches, our staff, our student athletes, we understand that not participating in an athletic activity is an extreme measure. we understand that. and by no means do we believe that this is an ideal way to evoke change or answer all of our problems. the problems we have today are problems of the future. our hope is that this will be a learning opportunity for all of us. we hope that our athletics department -- staff, coaches, student athletes -- can serve as leaders moving forward to help bring our campus together. mizzou, and i really believe this, the university of mizzou is a wonderful place, and it is full of caring people. i've been on a lot of
institutions, been on a lot of campuses. this is one of the most caring communities and caring institutions i've been a part of. and as i mentioned before, clearly, we're not perfect. as we move forward, it's paramount as a campus, and a community that this not divide us. but rather bring us together to listen, to grow, to understand, and to create positive change. i want to thank coach pinkel for his leadership during this past 48 hours, and i can assure you our coaches, our staff, and 550 student athletes will be leaders in both healing and future change at the university of missouri. >> thanks. first of all, appreciate you
being here. i got involved because i support my players and a young man's life was on the line. and basically that's what it came down to. my support of my players had nothing to do with anyone losing their job. with something like this, you know, football became secondary. missouri's a great place. i love being here. my players we recruit, i tell everyone how much my players love columbia and they love going to school here. obviously we got some problems and the good news is, we're going to fix them and mizzou's going to be a lot better place because of it. and i'm honored to be the head coach and i'm honored to be at the university of missouri. our team's excited about getting going again, and playing. and we're looking forward to our game against byu this weekend. >> we do have some wireless mikes we'll pass around. raise your hand, we'll start here, if you can get the mike down there.
coming right behind you. >> gentlemen, thanks. john barr with espn. mr. rhodes, you said there was never any talk about anybody losing his job. yet this morning, your school president resigned. what was your reaction to that? >> you know, probably mixed emotion. certainly had been conversing with president wolfe over the last day or two and i think president wolfe is a caring man. he's somebody that deeply cares about this institution. i think that he probably realized it was at a point that to begin the healing process, that he needed to step down, and i think certainly all of us admire him for that. as mentioned before, you know,
or maybe not mentioned before, coach pinkel nor i have any say or power to make those types of decisions. but certainly i think that was a big, maybe, step in terms of the healing process, as president wolfe mentioned himself. >> gabe dearman. you stressed there was no talk of anyone losing his job. but the statement that was tweeted out by your players specifically said, we will no longer participate in football-related activities, until president tim wolfe resigns or is removed. how do we justify those two statements? >> well, first of all, my standpoint is, my players called me and told me they were going to go over on campus that day and asked me if it was okay to do that. and my players, those guys are
real good leaders and they wanted to get more involved with the campus. and i think that's positive. that's a positive environment to have. and then i got a call later that night about jonathan. guys were very, very emotional. and they were very, very concerned with his life. and then at that time, they were discussing with me, what they planned on doing this weekend. and we went back and forth and i kept asking them is it the right thing to do, should you wait, and i'm talking to guys with tears in their eyes and they're crying. they asked me if i would support them. i said i would. i didn't look at consequences. that wasn't about it at the time. it was about helping my players and supporting my players when they needed me. i did the right thing and i would do it again. >> when was that? >> that was saturday night. >> and i think some of the same
sentiments that coach just talked about, one of our student athletes talked about, they've never seen a person dying in front of them. and for many of these young men, that was real. and i think as they slept on it, and we met that next day, that sunday, we had discussion, and it wasn't about any one person resigning. it was about what can we do to make sure jonathan butler eats. and that was absolutely most of the conversation. >> coach are used to control, or total control, and how did that feel at that moment, in the last two days when you didn't know if you were going to play a game next saturday? >> well, you know, i think -- i
don't think really at the time, the game's important. we wanted to play the football game, but it was still about this young man. at the time, saturday, sunday, it's not about football. nothing to do with football. it's my players needed my support and i'm going to support them. we knew it was play out one way or the other and it just happened to go the way it did. >> is it fair a couple of players can address why they didn't want to talk? >> the guys that were part of this, they made a decision, they didn't want to have to put their teammates through it, and they didn't want to do it, and they were going to be part of another rally. so that was their choice. consistently also what we do is generally, if a player has any kind of issue at all, that week, they will not be in front of the media and our football team is there. but that was absolutely 100% their decision.
>> they weren't told -- >> no, no. they were not told. >> not to talk? >> no. but they made it for the whole team and we tweeted it out for the whole team, which we do sometimes. >> mark from "the new york times." two questions. one is, you say saturday night, what's your understanding of kind of how, obviously they're members of the campus community. what's your understanding of how the players learned of the rally? did they reach out to the protesters? >> i don't know. i'm not sure. i don't track everything my players do. i have no idea. they said they were getting involved and they wanted to let me know they were doing it. they communicate well. i didn't go into who's your connection there, why are you there, why are you part of that. >> and my second question, obviously there has to be a balancing act to run a football team, you need a hierarchy.
that's the way it works in football, and if someone does not feel comfortable going before the media, then you try not to. at the same time, they obviously successfully convinced you guys to support them in not wanting to play. they didn't want to be interviewed today. going forward, when there are future issues, maybe there won't be a person's life at stake, where will you guys and i guess for both of you, where will you draw the line between saying, you know, we respect your autonomy and saying, we need to do things this way? >> first of all, they decided what they were going to do, and we allowed them to do that. they decided that. we generally always have our players in front of the media, unless there's a disciplinary issue or something that happened and we do it the following week. so it's consistent there. but this is a normal -- there's absolutely nothing normal about
this whole situation. i've been a head coach 25 years and been a coach for 39 years, and this isn't in football 101. >> and let me just add on to that, let me be clear. i think, you know, our staff, our coaches, all of us do a great job of directing and leading our student athletes. and we certainly don't always agree, or certainly our student athletes don't always agree with us. and so we provide the leadership. and again, i go back to extraordinary circumstances. this, again candidly, this was tough. you know, when you have student athletes and their rally cry in that meeting is, save a life, that's hard.
>> coach pinkel, mark schwartz, espn. why is it that jonathan butler's plight resonated so deeply, do you think, with your team? and why then did it also, because they approached you, resonate enough with you, to all of you to take this action? >> well, you know, i believe they thought that if we don't help, if he doesn't start eating, he's going to die. and i don't know anything more serious than that. and they called me and talked to me and we got to do this, coach. we're worried about this guy. i used to see this guy in the description they were talking about him, it wasn't very good. so, therefore, we -- that's why, you know, i decided to support them. and that's it. >> but beyond his medical condition, there was a social -- >> you've been listening to the university of missouri press conference with the athletic
director, with the coach who you see on the left side of the screen, gary pinkel of the football team there, talking about the resignation of the president of the university, talking about why he wanted to support his players on the football team. he said i did the right thing, and i would do it again. and that does it for this hour. i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" starts right now. ♪ if it's monday, it's a close encounter in the oval office for president obama and israel's prime minister. can some private chats reshape the road ahead for the middle east? this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. ♪ ♪ >> hello from new york, i'm steve kornacki in for chuck todd. after months of tension, the prest