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>> but how did a couple with a 6-month-old baby who were said to be living the american dream become mass murderers? i sat down for an in depth interview with syed farook's sister to get some answers. what have these last few days been like? >> a bad dream, a horrific nightmare. i want to go back to minor mall life. >> how did you find out your brother was a part of this, that your sister-in-law was a part of this? >> i found out on the news around 7:30, 8:00 on wednesday when they announced his name. until then, i thought he was missing or caught up or maybe held up somewhere. >> what goes through your mind? >> shock, disbelief. they have the wrong person. how could it be them? so many things. >> and now, just today, the fbi said this is a terrorism investigation. which means your brother and his wife are considered terrorists. can you wrap your head around that? >> no, not at all. i mean, i have absolutely no idea they were involved in anything like that. or that they were even capable
of doing something like that. the brother i grew up with, shy introvert, kept to himself, quiet. he grew up and got married. his wife was here only two years. we didn't really know her that well. she came from saudi. we were barely starting to get to know her. she was quiet and shy like him. >> when you say he was quiet, shy, and introvert, did he seem like someone who was looking for something in his life? >> no. before he got married, i would say yeah, he was looking for a wife. but after that, he seemed happy with his life. >> and you didn't really know much about her? >> no, i didn't even know her last name. i just found out through media. >> you didn't even know her last name? >> no. no. >> didn't that strike you as odd? >> no. because when you get married you usually change your last name to
whatever last name it's going to be for the husband. i assumed that was her last name. i didn't know she hadn't changed it. >> did you ever see anything about him or her that would suggest to you they could be radicalized? >> no, never. >> did you spend time in their home in redland? >> we maybe went over, like, once a month to see their daughter. so our kids could play togethering and to see my mom and visit her. and that's the extent of it. say hi, hello, talk ant the kids. there wasn't much we had in common. her being raised somewhere else, me being raised here. >> did your brother seem happy? >> yeah, he seemed very happy. >> and the baby. this is the part a lot of people can't quite understand. how you can have a 6-month-old baby, drop the baby off with your mother, right? and then go and perpetrate this horrific shooting spree. >> right.
>> what was their relationship like with the baby? >> it was glaet. they were great parents. my brother used to play with her for hours. she used to laugh as soon as he started entering the room. that's the part that bugs us the most. who's going to make her laugh now, you no e? she would smile every time she would see her mother. and she was nursing her. that's a big thing for a mom to leave a nursing child. >> so what could have happened here? this must have occupied every waking moment you've had since you found out. what happened? >> i don't know i wish i knew what happened. i wish i could ask them. but they're not here. and it's just -- everything is left up to speculation and investigation. and whatever we're finding out through the media. >> she grew up there, he grew up here, did she seem to have a problem adjusting?
>> she didn't speak english, so she had a little bit of trouble. but eventually she learned a little bit and we started communicating with her in our language. beside the language barrier, not so much. i mean, she seemed to be fine. she just likes being home a lot, you know? >> traditional wife, you would say? >> yeah, pretty much. stay at home, take care of the baby. for the majority of the marriage, she was pregnant for nine months. she was not feeling well, she was on bedrest. >> did she have a job or a career? do you know? apparently there have been reports they was trained as a pharmacist. >> what i know is that she was -- she had a degree in pharmacy. from where, i don't know that either. but trained as a pharmacist, i don't have knowledge on that. >> so when you would watch them as a family, nothing ever set off any kind of alarm bells? no signals that something was amiss? >> no. just like his co-workers.
we knew him and there was nothing that i would say alarming bells, hey, look, there's something wrong with me. you know? >> it seems from what we hear from investigators, from what we've seep coming from that house, they had not only a large number of weapons and ammunition, but a virtual bomb factory. are you shocked to hear that? >> yes, of course. >> did you know that he had guns? >> i know that he had a gun. it was a handgun. it was kept in a lock box. and, you know, i asked him why do you have it? he said i need it for protection. and that's the only one that i was aware of. >> do you know if he knew how to use it? did he get any training? >> he said the gun was licensed. besides that, i don't know if he got training or what other -- >> went to a shooting range? >> yeah, i don't know about that either. >> did he ever talk to you about the time he went to saudi arabia. >> he went to saudi arabia for haj, but thousands of muslims do that.
my parents went with him, too. >> so it was nothing out of the ordinary? >> no, he went to haj and they stayed with him every minute and he came back within the time allotted. >> then he went to meet his wife. was he excited? was there a lot of anticipation? you said that was the one thing that seemed to -- >> once again, he's such a quiet and shy person to us from the outside, he looked normal. we even joked about it saying he should be excited about it. >> and he wasn't? >> he didn't look like it, but then again, he is the type of person that, you know, you could never read. he was always quiet, kept to himself. same expression, smile occasional will you here and there. the it's kind of hard to get what a person is think, you know? >> and he was always like that? >> he was always like that. >> would you consider yourself close, snoug. >> since he kept to himself, not really. >> what was your relationship like? and how did he fit into your family? >> we met once a month, had our
kids come over, play. and that to the extent of it. we didn't have conversations on the phone. we didn't really spend a lot of time talking about stuff. and i felt like i grew distant from him because i got married and i moved away. >> of and what about his relationship with your mom? >> what about the relationship? >> normal? were they close? was she particularly excited about the baby? >> yeah, she is. she's actually very torn about the baby. because the baby is the thing that's the most important to her. she spends so much with time with her grandchild. she's distraught we don't have her with us. and, you know, we don't know when we're going to get her. so that obviously bugs her. >> do you know what the status is? what's going to happen with the baby? >> at moment, no. >> there was the other big thing that came out is that your sister-in-law posted on facebook about the same time as all of
this started an allegiance to isis. anticipate there's been some suggestion that maybe she was in some way influencing your brother. >> we didn't know she had any kind of relations with isis or anything like that. if you met her, she was like the girl next door, you know? sweet, innocent, kind. the kind that's always smiling, nice to you. you would never, ever guess that that girl would have ties to isis. >> did she ever express any unhappiness or did you ever have any conversations about being muslim in america, or terrorism? or did you talkn't a the paris attacks? >> no, actually not at all. i mean, being a housewife, we don't talk about paris attacks and this and that in front of your kid, to be honest. political agenda is not something we discuss in front of our kids. it's most things we discussed was kids related.
toys, books, kids, diapers, this and that. >> how did she take to becoming a mom? >> she was very happy. she was very content. like i said, she nursed her. she used to dress her up. she would spend hours with her taking care of her. that was her job. >> so the idea that she and her brother could take that baby, drop off the baby knowing that they would never come back? >> it's mind boggling. i can't imagine. i was telling my husband that i could never leave my kids anywhere for a couple of hours muchless think about something like that. i don't know what prompted them to do something like this. >> do you think she could have influenced him to the extent to radicalize? >> i want to believe yes because i want to believe my brother is not capable of doing like this. but again, i don't know her that well to know what ties she has, what her past was. we don't know much about that.
where she comes from, who she was linked to. all of that is coming out in the news out. it's news to us. >> did you ever ask her about growing up or what her life was like there? >> she hardly said much about her life. she said i grew up in big siblings, we grew new a home together, we were a happy family. that's pretty much all i know. >> she said they were a happy family? >> yeah. >> do you wonder if she came here, as some people have speculated now, specifically for this reason? she was looking for a way to come into the united states? >> now that you've said that, i haven't heard that, but yeah, it's possible. >> would you describe them as devout muslim? i know your brother practiced. >> how much time? >> five minutes. >> i can hear my daughter. >> do you want to take a break. >> it's okay. what was the question again? >> would you describe them as
devout muslim. >> they were muslims. they followed and practiced islam as we all do. they prayed five times a day, they read the koran. they already did their haj, which is a big thing as a muslim. so yeah, they were like any other muslim. >> was he happy, do you think, in general? i mean, obviously they made a decision to go to his work place. did he like his job? >> he didn't really talk much about his job. whenever we asked him, he would say oh, it's work. that's all we knew about his job. >> you never met any of his friends. >> co-worker, not at all. >> he never described there was someone who teased him about his beard. >> no. >> and there was also these reports of a possible confrontation with one of his jewish colleagues. got into a fight about islam. >> i read about that on the news. i had no idea. >> is he someone who you would think would try to defend islam or does he ever show any kind of temper?
as somebody who would get into even a verbal confrontation. >> he never had a temper. as far as talking about islam, i did see him talking to neighbors or people like that about islam. but it was always in a very polite manner. he never lost his temper or got angry about anything. that's why it's so shocking that he would do something like that. >> what do you think happened here? >> i don't even know how to answer. to be honest, quite frankly, we haven't even had the time to process what's happened. it's like it's one thing after another. we're hearing things about us. there's so much about us on the news now. my kids faces are all over the place. there's so many -- and those are things we have to deal with as the time is going on. we haven't even had a chance to sit down and talk about why he did it, what happened. what went through their mind. and then we have this thing about their daughter, you know? >> a very big thing.
. 6-month-old child. >> right. >> what made you want to talk to me today? what did you want to say? >> mainly, whenever something like this happens, there's a big backlash that happens on all muslims. and i just want to say that not all of us are like this. you know? we're not all, you know, terrorists. we're all normal people. and there's always someone who does something like this for whatever reason. it's not something that should have a negative impact on everybody else out there. >> are you afraid? >> i think i should be. >> and as far as your brother, are you grieving? are you in shock? are you angry with him? >> i'm angry with him and in shock. >> what would you want people to know about you, about him, about your sister-in-law. what do you think is missing in all the reporting that's been done.
>> i think everything is pretty much covered. >> i think there's too much out there for me to say anything else. >> have you cried about this? have you held your children close, have you even begun to know what your emotions are? >> i wish i could cry about it. but, you have to keep it together for my kids. for my daughter, for my mother. >> when we come back, i'm going to talk to nazama. he goes to the same mosque as farook.
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>> he's the type of person you could never read. he was quiet, kept to himself, same expression, would smile here and there. it's hard to get what a person is thinking. >> and he was always like that? >> he was always like that. >> and joining us now is a man who knew syed farook, one of the suspects in wepz's mass shooting. they attended the same mosque in san bernadino. thanks so much for being here. we played the clip and his
sister said his whole life, he was so hard to read. and that's obviously part of the reason that she's in such shock. did you find him to be that way? >> absolutely. he was, like i said before in other interviews, he was very reserved. he wasn't a person that would come in and start a conversation with you. he was a more shy person. but once you talked to him, he would talk. but it was very limited. he wouldn't talk about everything. my interactions with him were limited. >> we tried to get a window into who these people are, this couple is. what would you talk about? >> me, i would talk about what i knew of him, which was that he was a great guy, a nice guy to be around. today in the community, we were talking about all the great things i remember him for, his personality, his characteristics. all of the nice things that he -- i mean, he was a good asset to our community. >> in what way? >> in the sense that he was representing the muslims, being cheerful, being someone that was, you know, a typical muslim.
>> and you went to his wedding reception? or at least the celebration? >> i was the one that cooked the food for his wedding reception. >> one of the things that also struck me about what saira khan said was that he wasn't really excited about going to get married, even though that's something he very much wanted. >> i met him right before h ehad gotten married and he told me i'm getting married. i told him congrats to you. let me know if you need any assistance. he said hey, do you mind cooking and doing something with me for the community. i said no problem, let's get this stuff and let's cook. >> did he seem happy to be married? >> uh h uh. >> and what about having a child? >> yeah, as far as i know. as i mentioned in some of the other interview, i remember at that time, he was telling me about going back to school and pursuing his master's degree. i don't remember in what, but i remember him mentioning i'm going to go back and do my master's degree. to me this meant that he had some perception in life, some good understanding of where he's going. he had a plan. you know?
>> plan for his future. >> for his family, for his daughter. >> did he put it in the context of i want to have a better life for my family, for my taughter? >> just from him saying that and also, you know, he memorized the koran six months back, so that was also something that, you know, we congratulated him on. and he was very secretive about that as well. he didn't openly tell us that. so one of the things we learned today was about a facebook message his wife posted, pledging allegiance to isis. i guess what the question is, is it possible that she could have convinced him to be part of some plot? >> i can't say. i never met the wife. i didn't know the wife. i didn't know anything about her. i can't say honestly. >> what is it that -- can you sort of try to even imagine what could have brought him to be radicalized to do something like this? >> absolutely not. that's the shocker for the entire community that knew him. here we just heard his sister
also saying about the quality, the same thing, that he was very nice, gentle, kind. he was not someone that showed aggression or things of that nature. so to know that and to see what we see behind us here, this is -- i mean, there's no word. it's devastating. i don't have words to explain, to express what type of feeling i have. you know, what type of impact it's going to have upon the muslim community. as i mentioned before, this is my community. i was born and raised here in san bernadino. it affects me greatly. and she mentioned also, his sister mentioned also about backlashes from the community. and that's what we fear. we want the community to know here, and the nation to know, that we are american citizens, we mourn, we share our condolences. we give our condolences to the families that lost their lives. and also to those that are injuried. and we can't say that enough. we're mourning with the nation. this is a time of mourning. this is not a time of, you know, anything else by mourning. >> nizaam ali, thank you very
mump. our next guest helps counter violence extremism. it's good to talk to you again, imam. thank you very much. if you heard the interview, his sister was concerned about the backlash and wants to send the message that not all muslims are terrorists. what did you think when you heard what happened sneer. >> it's very disturbing. make all of us very angry, for sad. to to the see a person who would commit such a crime. especially if he thought that this act is being done in the name of religion, in to the name of islam. also my heart goes to the family and this sister that she's shocked like anyone else about the behavior.
and that shows that the virtual community, is what is impacting someone like him to get radicalized and willing to do such heinous crime by taking the life of innocent people. >> this is one of the things you have worked on about trying to counter this radicalization. help us to understand how this happened, how this recruitment happened and what you're doing to fight it? >> the recruitment happens online by having isis to disconnect the person from their family first. to have them not trust anyone cles to them. and to cut them off from religious authority to make sure they don't listen to anyone
except to their religious figures an leaders. and also to have them have this feeling to them. there's a psychological aspect of this recruitment that sometimes we're not addressing. and the aspect of feeling a sense of purpose. a person gets to believe that isis offers a narrative of restoring dignity and honor eand fighting for justice. which is all of this slogans of isis. all of them are false. slogans that give people a sense of purpose that therefore, what we did, we brought law enforcement to our mosque and
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people around the world are spending a tremendous amount of time trying to understand syed fa rack even tashfeeen malik's motives. >> of there's electronic evidence they tried to destroy and conceal from us that we now have and are exploiting to try to understand them. there's much about this that we don't understand even for those of us who do for a living.
that's why people are spending tremendous amounts of time is a as we sit here and try to understand the electronic record around these two killers. >> joining us now is seamus hughes, the deputy director on the program on extremism for cyberand homeland security. and the terrorism expert and former ci. investigators seem to be befuddled in many ways. we heard the director say there's so much that they don't really understand. have you seen a case like this before? >> i think what makes this difficult is we're still trying to get all of the information together. what we're seeing is this radicalization tied to the internet. we have a view of pakistan and saudi arabia. you start looking at so many different places to try to find motivation.
but to try to find a line that would have been the recruitment line is just so difficult to do right now. >> you isis in america retweets to raqqah. athere's 900 activists, 56 people who have been arrested. in 21 state, is there any commonality here. is there anything that might have been a clue in this case here in san bernadino. >> there's not necessarily a profile. we looked through 7,000 panls of legal documents to look at what makes these people tick, what demographics there are. we've seen male, we've seen female, we've seen old, young, rich and poor. they tend to be younger, tho ugh. so the average age of the people we looked at was 26. 1/3 of the cases they were 21 years or younger.
>> your study also revealed in those 7,000 pages of document, again, as you said, sort of how different soive so many of them are. that's part of what frightens a lot of people. they were sort of hiding in plain sight. how many of these cases were there clear warnings. >> when you look at aum of the cases, you see in general, the vast majority, there's a bystander that sees something, whether it's a friend or family member. they see something is a little bit off, but they don't recognize what they're seeing and they don't have the tools to be able to talk to law enforcement and alert them. right now, the only option a family member has if they have a loved one they're concerned about is to do nothing and hope it's just a phase, or to call the fbi and potentially talk to their loved ones through a prison bar for 20 years. we need to find a middle way to intervene with people and bring them back into the fold. >> earlier today, the fbi's los angeles assistant director in
charge explained how the suspects tried to cover their tracks. here's what he said. >> they attempted to destroy their digital finger prints. for example, we found two cell phones in a nearby trash can. those cell phones were actually crushed. we have retained those cell phones and we do continue to exploit the data from those cell phones. we do hope that the digital fingerprints left by these two individuals will take us towards their motivation. >> so jack, obviously that's a key here, what made them do this. is there any sense of how badly damaged some of that quit is? how good is the technology for covering it. in the grand scheme of figuring this out. how important can that digital fingerprint be? >> i think it can be huge in this case. what we have the ability to do now is reach out and look at
corrections to see where they found what they found. where they found how to build the bombs that they did. where did they find out, if there was a connection to somebody who was involved in a recruitment issue, then we potentially may find that. what i've seen in the twin cities in minnesota is al shabaab has been incredibly successful in convincing young men primarily from the ages of 19 to 28 to actually go back and fight in the horn of africa. we have even seen some of those reaching back towards isis as well. so there is a demographic that up with can look at. but i think what's most important and what we've seen in this area of the country is the ability to find those who feel lost, disaffected, and what we have found is organizations like al shabaab and isis are targeting them and using their justification to motivate these young men to do the thijs that they do.
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why and how is this type of investigation different? >> in this particular case, if there is a direct recruitment line. if you can find somebody in isis or in the past al shabaab and boka haram, you could find out who they're trying to recruit and the person who did the recruiting. the problem in this case is potentially we may have simply he's simply inspired by the rhetoric being inspired by ice isis. there's no way to make a determination before they act that they're going to act. this is all about trying to get in front of an attack, a terrorist operation. you can't do that in this case. this concept of a lone wolf or lone wolves is something that's very difficult to stop. that's what we're really talking about right now. >> one of the thins we hear so often is how sophisticated people have gotten in social
media and online. how they're able to keep up this relationship that they find with a potential recruit. 24/7. if they get up in the middle of the night and they want to go on line, there's someone there who's willing essentially to talk to them. and as quigley as they can put out a business of a social media site, another one goes up. how key is all of this? as we like at this kind of event? >> we looked at 300 people we believe to be american on social media that were isis reporters. the platform of choice is twitter. we saw an echo chamber. they're able to reinforce their own believes. >> and there are so many questions that are yet unanswered here.
>> for example, the most obvious is the motive. but beyond that, did one person inspire the other? and i wonder as you look at the fax on the grounds, what do you make of some of these suspicions that potentially she was the one who either was first recruited or maybe while she was still in saudi arabia or pakistan was radicalize the and came here specifically for this reason. how do we get at that? >> of what makes this so difficult is you look at him first. he was born in the u.s., college graduate, good job, sub sesful, objectively, one would say why would that be? that doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't the one radicalized. but at the same time, we look at her, born in pakistan, moves to saudi arabia living in an area that's radicalized as well. what we' seen in the parts of
pakistan and the u.s., my inclination is to lean towards her because simply because of her connections, but it's very difficult to look at this point. i think following those issues is critical in this case to see who was driving home. >> as you look at this beyond the obvious question of motive, what's the key question you want answered here? >> the key question is the link to isis. was it inspired or was it directed? and i think the facts will still run out on that. in terms of social media, it's important to circle back on it. we see nit a threefold way. the first is to groom people online. the second way they do it is essentially logistical support. they're providing numbers and recruiters that you can reach out to on twitter to be able to cross the border into turkey and syria. the third way, the most
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shooting and how the public should respond. >> img we need to avoid bigotry, stereotyping, anything that we would be unhappy happening to us as christians, we should avoid doing that to muslims as well. >> that same family attorney blamed the 2016 presidential candidate for creating an atmosphere of prejudice and fear. >> political candidates that could very likely be our next president, who are saying things like we should register all muslim and that mosques should be investigated and looked into or that the families of terrorists should be killed without due process, we just have to be protective of religious freedom in our country. >> let's break down the political response to the shooting. joaning me now is howard dean, an msnbc political analyst. it's always good to see you.
unfortunately, we always seem to have this conversation after there's been a mas shooting. >> i want to play what president obama said yesterday and donald trump said today on gun control. of. >> we're going to have to search ourselves as a society to make sure that we can take basic steps that would make it harder, not impossible, but harder for vinls to get access to weapons. >> the people in paris or the people in california, if to you had a couple of folks in there with guns, anticipate that knew how to use them, and they were in that room, you wouldn't have the dead people. the dead people would be the other guys. >> howard, you've been around for a while. what do you make of the political divide on this issue.
has it ever been bigger? >> i think the political divide is just part of the partisanship. and the country is divided. there's not a lot of common sense from what donald trump just said. i don't think anybody is trying to take away everybody's guns. i was endorsed by the nra eight times when i ran. for various statewide offices. and none of the nra members think that means you have to have a bazooka in your front yard to shoot a dear. that means to me you have to anyone mize the number of people if you went back to the semiautomatic ban. there's no need for semiautomatics. you could say, okay, donald trump, let's have people with happened guns so they could shoot the terrorists. all right. if the terrorists have kalashnikovs they're going to kill a lot of people. there's some middle ground here that make sense. and we're not hearing any of that from the republican
presidential candidates. they're terrified of the national rifle association. >> is that all that's going on here, though? sntd there an element, frankly it's their base. and for some of them, it's what has been going on for a long time, which is the second amendment issue. for others, is it a fear, an understandable fear that some people feel? >> the republicans are catering to their base. and there's a reasonable middle ground they're not interested in talking about. leadership is not catering to your base. leadership is doing what's right for the country. and it's not getting people angry and terrified. that is not good leadership. i think that's going to be reflected in the final vote in november. >> what about the on the democratic side. you talked a lot about this.
whether president obama forcefully enough, in this case, we haven't seen much. he made a big statement. do you think in many ways he's fighting a battle that at least in the next year n this political climate simply can't be won? >> i think it does make sense to speak out on the issue. aulg r and i think the president should do it. most americans do not want to ban guns. they think they ought to have a right to own a gun. there's a middle ground there that make sense. i saw director comey talk about how we're going to follow these people on isis. we need to have -- there's some
other things that we need besides gun control. we need to have an fbi that goes into the dark network y they are and hunt themselves down. we have to criminalize what these folks are doing. if they're getting people to shoot up large numb boefrs people, we ought to get those people proactively. >> howard dean, it's always good to see you. thanks for coming out on a friday night. appreciate it. after this break, my final thoughts on violence in america and what happened in san bernadino. let's up their satisfaction with some new hold music. ♪ (exec 2) that's glenn from the mailroom. he djs on the weekends. (exec 3) sorry, who is it? (exec 2) it's glenn, from the mailroom. he dj'ed bill's wedding. (exec 3) he what? (exec 2) he goes by dj glenn, he works way downstairs. (exec 3) what'd he say? (exec 2) glenn, from the mailroom!
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and i remember all too well the tears of a priest in new town whose one parish alone would bury eight children, 6 and 7 years old. truth be told, i cried with them. and the night a gunman open fired on a bible study group in dharl ston, i talked to a young man in shock, his aunt and his cousin were in that room. but you don't have to be in those places to feel the loss, to cake ache with the fear that some piece of our humanity, our sense of security has been spoelen. i came here from paris. they share our pain as we do theirs. what's remarkable, though is that the families and communities have not just reclaimed what the murders have taken from us but answered it. that's always what i've seen. people flocking to makeshift memorials. the candles lit, the prayers said, the stuffed animals left around a rims tee in downtown new town. scholarships started,
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