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good morning. it is friday, december 11th welcome to morning joe and look at the christmas tree. isn't it pretty. willie, you did that tree lighting. >> i did. >> yeah. sort of last minute tree lighting. >> put the plug in the thing and. >> of course, kids from all over america come and say let's go see what? the comcast commerce tree bringing all good little boys and girls to midtown manhattan to spend a lot of money. >> since i've got to rurch my hover boards.
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with us on set. >> a 2015 version. >> here's that hover board. some issues, apparently. >> with us on set we have msnbc political analyst and university of michigan school of public policy. former democratic congressman harold ford junior. can we cut that in half? that's needy. his new book is destiny and power. return the hover board and get this. american odyssey george h.w. bush. i think you should get one for jack and one more kate. >> i gave it away for thanksgiving, everybody. >> you did? that's nice. >> that's a good way to clear
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it. joining us from washington manager editor of bloomberg politics mark halperin. are you ready to go on this friday? are you going to read excerpts from john's book? national security and terror on the voter's minds in a way they haven't been since the terror attacks on september 11th, 2001. 79% of americans think that an attack is likely or vary in the next few months. of those, the 44% that say very likely is the highest number poll since 2001. several americans call isis a major threat to the u.s. security. the highest level since the poll
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began asking the question last year. 71% say things are not going well in the fight against isis. 25% say it's not going well. 52% approve of the way president obama is handling terrorism. >> help me out here. we need a historical president. it sounds idea logical and it's not. we look at these numbers and you can see almost six in 10 americans disapprove with the way the president is handling war on terror. his secretary of defense goes on the hill and says isis is not contained. his white house says right after paris isis can't strike in america. isis does strike in america and then he goes on sunday night and gives a rambling address that
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leaves even democrats scratching their heads. is there a president forty commander in chief whose disconnected from his people what we're seeing right now? >> all analogies are emphasized. this was difficulty in post water gate and carter years. some anxiety about american power and you had the president of the united states three years into his administration giving a speech about this very subject saying there was a crisis of the american spirit. >> right. >> a lot thought there wasn't a crisis in the american spirit but a crisis in the american presidency. you have people incredibly concerned and they don't feel the president is fully invested
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in their concerns. >> right now, harold, only 24% of americans are going not right direction. even on an issue that matters a great deal with the president. assault weapons. 19 point drop in support for an assault weapon ban after san bernardino. this is a country on edge and this is a president who seems to be radically disconnected from the people he serves. >> yesterday i was watching the show and mika asked a question that went unanswered around donald trump and whatever your feelings are. you ask the fundamental question. if you believe his ban for muslims for a period of time is a wrong thing then what should the answer be? i think he's dead wrong but no candidate has come forward and more importantly to john's point, the president has an idea how to do this but not
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articulated in a clear way. everyone mentioned his effort was not sure to lure americans but donald trump is being rewarded by the fact we have not reached a point that we should and frankly to be a campaign. >> little things don't happen in a vacuum. the weaker the president looks, the stronger donald trump comes. if he doesn't like demagogue ri, he's feeding it by creating a void, a weakness, a lack of leadership that shows up in all of these numbers. i don't think it's a coincidence that donald trump and ted cruz are the two political candidates profiting the most off of his weakness. >> and it's just a projection of
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strength. it's not a projection of policy. you look inside this poll and believe donald trump is the best to handle terrorism and isis. we haven't heard anything specific but he gives off strength. >> so we've heard nothing specific from him and yet the president gave an address that was very specific in terms of what we were doing and we all were like -- is that necessarily fair? what is it that we are not doing that we should be doing right now? who can articulate that for us? >> the problem is, richard angle said the president presented four things. three of them we were already doing. >> right. that's his point. >> three of the things that the president said we needed to do to move forward had already been seen as object failures.
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do you really want me to waste everyone's time? >> donald trump going we need to crush them. that's specific. >> mika, come on. don't insult our intelligence. >> actually it's not me insulting our intelligence. >> you have a lot of people, mika who have come on the show and we can talk about the general. compare him to donald trump scratching his head wondering why this president hasn't done what other presidents have done like george h.w. bush. we've had richard hass coming on here time and time again delivering one suggestion after
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another. we've had foreign policy leaders, senators, democrats, republicans doing it. the president delivered the same address he's delivered before which mark had mika's daughter saying and the person i was watching saying why did he do this? what's new? there's nothing new in that address. the majority of americans are scared because of it. >> washington is not being decisive and neither is capitol
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hill about how to address this problem. >> who other than bill clinton himself said better to be strong and wrong than right and weak. >> this is seven years in. this is another example obama has overcorrected. he's so concerned about the swaggering in the mode of george w. bush he goes too far the other way, i think. do you need to make common ground with putin here. there are steps and moral
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leadership. >> it's what he gets paid for though. >> it will only be used if we're looking for someone who might be involved in terrorist activity. too, we're going to look at all these programs that allow people to come back in the country and try to determine what we're doing wrong and right. then you allow your homeland security chief to go before the congress and lay out some of these changes and policy shifts and let congress react to them. i think it's fair, john's point about the optics and i don't always agree with joe but i do 100% here. the president did not reassure the country the other night and whether she's ideas are in the back of his mind or he's talking about them privately, he has an obligation to the country to
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reassure. the polling suggests people are not reassured and unfortunately, those of us who believe donald trump is dangerous in any ways, the president's lack of inability to do this is fuel. >> you asked a question. >> what is he not doing we should be doing now. >> the people made comments on this show. i know your reading mechum's book and i understand, it's a great book but people are saying it. what's so fascinating, i want to follow up on what john said.
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this is a president who has two obsessions right now. he is obsessed primarily with not being george bush and dick cheney and it's driving him in the opposite direction. the general always fighting the last war. secondly, you get a sense he is obsessed with not being proven wrong about isis saying they're a jv team with a jersey, saying isis is contained. he's so obsessed with not being proven wrong he's not doing with the overwhelming majority of americans think he should do to fight this terror, this war on terror, the right way. >> the fear we've heard in the last month i would say paris and more than a month, people are worried and it was ramped up by san bernardino. we're seeing where 80% of people believe it's likely we have
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terrorist attack in the this country. some response to that has to come up. he doesn't appear to be reassuring as harold said i've got this. donald trump whether it's emotional or not and it is purely emotional, he says i've got this. i understand there's no specifics in there. they said this is a president who came in with a domestic agenda. he thought he was not going to have to confront war and policy. he was in the mode of being domestic president. to get barack obama or donald
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trump the white house comforts themselves by being the wise professor rubbing his chin. that is such a false choice when i hear the secretary of defense testify i feel more confident. when i hear hillary clinton speak, i feel more confidence. this isn't about democrats or republicans. this is about a president dangerously disconnected from the people he serves. >> let's give the public a little more credit. what we're seeing right now is the tributary of radical islamic terrorism intersecting with the tributary of these random mass shootings which have always been a subject to great anxiety going back to the 1980s. i think that part of what's happening here is the president is having to address the
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doubling of these fears. it's a compounding fear and anxiety. i think people are smart and it's hard to stop. they understand that. i think the president should give the public the credit. we' >> i have friends going to a concert tonight saying should i go to the concert? you talked about taking your family to a broadway play. everybody you talked to around you nervous inside that theater. nicole had a mother asking her
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whether they should take your children to this or that or the other. >> losing the war on guns in this country a lot more than losing the war on terror and look at the data. there's lots of reasons to be very scared if you want. looking at the optics, it's hands down. you're so obsessed with the way he talks. >> the american people are not stupid enough to listen to the way he talks. >> what is he doing? >> the morning after the address, everybody else that focussed on the speech after the address said he presented the same exact arguments that he's presented all along. >> and what is it that he's not doing right now?
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>> mika, you're not listening. harold has answered and told you what we need to do. >> working on a coalition? >> no. >> you're not listening. >> well, it's interesting. bob, sometimes. >> you're not listening to what anybody says here and maybe you and the president can take comfort in that and say i'm not donald trump so i'm above you but the rest of america is nervous because they have a president that is disconnected. >> i think if you work on adjectives to describe the president and not listening to what he's saying, it would be like calling joe unnecessarily sharp and not listening to what joe is saying. >> joe who? >> you. you can look at your presentation but you want people to listen to your words and it can be described as off putting sometimes. >> you have to listen to people
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when they talk on this show about things you don't want to hear. >> i'm trying to make a measured argument for the fact that this president is putting forward a plan. >> what's that plan? >> and presented it to the country. >> it's the plan he presented to the country the other day we have heard before but i want to know what you would add on to that right now that would make this country safer. >> i'll answer again. go ahead. because you know i've answered the question and you know people around this table have answered the question. you don't want to hear it. >> surveillance. >> bob costa, obviously, there's a great gap between donald trump and between barack obama and you hear it every day out on the campaign trail about some of the proposals. what are some some of the proposals you hear on the campaign trail? >> is the president fighting the last war? i think you can extend the last
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race. when i talked to voters, one of the ways they talked about trump is they have almost a hard line view of national security. when it comes to intervention abroad following the george w. bush model he's departed. that's what makes trump deferent. he's not articulating his argument the same way his rivals are. >> right. as the general said, he didn't want 10,000 new troops, he wanted a couple thousand more troops. a lot of people in the military feel the same way. it requires us to actually, please, you ask the question, i'm going to answer it one more time. you don't listen. >> i'm listening right now. i have a response. go ahead. >> you got to hear what i'm going to say first before you have a response. >> okay, finish. >> as the general said, we have
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to build our coalitions. we have created a great divide in the middle east because of the president's obsession with the deal of iran that has offended all of our allies in the gulf region and across the middle east that's actually played into the hands of the arabs across the region. they are disconnected. this president has to work harder abroad. he gets failing marks from people on both sides of the aisles from foreign policy experts. he needs to work harder on building the coalition. he needs to do what harold is talking about. he needs to em power the intelligence agencies again. there are a lot of republicans and democrats including rand paul that took the easy steps a year ago and made america less safe. you have to give nsa more powers. as i said before, we need to be
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able to interrogate isis suspects again and find out where the next attack is coming from. we have to let the military do what the military says they need to do to to feed isis. that may mean more ground troops, up to 10,000 ground troops. the fist thing he needs to do is get out of this small bubble he's contained in, inside the white house and you talk to democratic senators and republican senators and democratic foreign policy analyst and they'll all say he's inside a bubble and not listening to anybody. >> there's so many things to respond to. we'll have to do it after the break. it's 23 past. coming up on morning joe, the police commissioner here on set plus his top official, don miller weighs in on the isis threat. also ahead we'll talk to the u.k.'s defense secretary michael
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he broke down and was like that wasn't me. that was disappointing to me. that's not what presidents are made of. you don't have to be poplar with other senators but you need to be respected by other senators if you have what it takes to be president of the united states. barack obama wasn't poplar with all the senators. he was respected. and marco is respected. i don't think ted has the respect of his fellow senators.
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senator clair mccaskill's weighing in on marco rubio and ted cruz. >> isn't that what we've all heard about ted cruz. he's not well liked. >> let's get to other news now. fbi divers spent hours searching a lake near the san bernardino shooting scene. investigators say they are following a lead that indicated the shooters may have spent time there. >> we think this search will last for days. it's very possible. we would be remiss not to go into this lake and do a thorough search for any items that may come back. >> the mother of the man who bought two of the guns that were used in the attack told reporters her son is a good person. he has been operating with investigators. he told them farook said he was
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considering an attack in 2012. markez has not been chashlged in a crime. meanwhile, fbi director gave a classified briefing about the shooting to lawmakers yesterday. >> we are not aware of any other components in this particular plot in other words, co-con spiriters out there. they're not aware of anything along those lines. >> and one of the first funerals was held yesterday. hundreds of people including several law enforcement officers remembered 27-year-old malasko. coming up, my lineals strongly favor ground troops against isis. there's brand new polling from harvard university on that and how younger voters view the american dream. that's straight ahead on morning joe. surprise!!!!!
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18-29--year-olds. the the results are striking. good to have you on board. what did you find? >> we found that any aftermath of the terror attacks, 60% favr sending boots on the ground to combat isis. thanks to you guys, you asked us to follow up to say not only do you support boots on the ground but send your own boots on the ground and 62% said no way and 84% were disinclined to go themselves. 16% of my lineals indicated they would be likely to serve. >> there you have it. that's why we try not to talk casually boots on the ground because there's human beings in those boots. did you talk to them about why they wouldn't step forward? >> we've been on the set for the last several years talking about
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a disconnect with washington. when you think about it, if they don't trust washington and the democrats and republicans to lead them in the right direction, how likely would they be to put their own boots on the ground a. >> last night i looked back at 2002. we've been doing this for 15 years and we saw a different perspective in 2005. they were more willing to engage themselves. if there were a draft, 24% would legally serve and another 24% would need it. we see a growing disconnect over the last decade or so.
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>> you have my lineals feeling the burn. >> no correlation with age. >> no. that's amazing in a way. were you surprised by that? i would think hillary clinton, especially young women. >> relative to 2008 i think she's doing okay. she was trailing obama by much more than six points. it will be interesting to see how that changes in the next couple of months. >> ronald reagan was poplar with young voters as well. it's not a correlation between age and who you vote for. >> no, particularly in 84 that re-election, those rallies were full of people's grand children. >> this question about the american dream is a little pressing. it's a coin toss.
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49% of my lin canadians believe it's alive and 48% believe it's dead. >> that was inspired by a young woman from tennessee, african american woman. for her she said the american dream was dead because she was black in america. you can see half of the largest generation say the american dream is dead for them though race is not a predictor whether or not the american dream was alive or dead. >> this matches a lot of the data out there and the economy and wages and feeling data backing up a sense that our kids will not do as well as us in this generation. >> again, i don't think they're asking too much. they're asking for a job right after they graduate, an opportunity to live in the town where they grew up if that's what they want to do. an opportunity to live outside their parent's nest to get a car or apartment.
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>> they aren't asking too much except when it comes to the projection of force to protect them, right. we say send people but not me. one growing fear would be this generation is going to have to, they're going to have to be the ones who sacrifice significantly and there's little data that suggests a field. >> they have to take responsibility on both sides. some people need to demand that conversation. >> all right. thank you so much. it's good to have you in here. fascinating. fascinating results that you got there. up next, politico serving top strategist on an independent run by donald trump. it would be like ross on
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there's a good chance you're not going to get as many delegates to give you anomination. if they deny the nomination, are you going to run on a third party ticket there by handing the e lelection to hillary clin? >> i think i will get the delegates, i'm winning in iowa and south carolina. >> if you don't. >> if i'm treated fairly, i would never do it. if i'm not treated fairly i might very well do it. >>. >> jeannine:ing us from washington mike allen. mike, good morning. you've got new polls out of your caucus of early state insiders. they're weighing in on what a third party run would look like from donald trump. we got a poll the other day that said 68% of trump voters would follow him to at a third party run. >> we're seeing a clear story
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come out of the early states. these insiders and other party offici officials say if donald trump were to go third party, they can forget about the white house. 79% of republicans saying if donald trump wins third party they would have little chance of winning against a democrat ek nominee. there's two big reasons for this. one is the distraction. the republican candidate is constantly being asked about what trump is saying and making it very difficult for them to tell their own story. here's the biggest one. it's simple math. in this 50/50ish nation, if you have donald trump drawing up, even though it's a small number of republican voters, you're not going to win. that's why we heard in the tease one of them said it was ross on steroids denying the republican nominee the chance to get
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anywhere near 50. >> john mechum, the bush family. you know a little bit about them. they have got to be looking at donald trump as ross on steroids. still blaming ross for their defeat in 1992. do they see this as part two? >> they've been to this movie before unquestionably and don't like it. it's already a bad situation. there's no question that a p populus billionaire is a story they've heard. >> mark halperin. >> trump wants to be involved in a national dialogue. if he's not president he wants to play a roll in determines who is. however iowa turns out and however trump decides to proceed
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if he's not the nominee, it's going to be a huge task to manage that. all these elites around washington and around the country who have opinions about it, i don't think matters. the nominee if it's not trump is going to have a major project managing trump. >> mike allen, your insiders also weighing in on which republican candidate has the most to lose. a lot looking forward to this debate. >> yeah. trump has not done particularly well in debates. when trump thrives is between debates in those long weeks when he can dominate media and that's one of the reasons and i had know all the people around the table have heard the republican sources call grasping at deferent ideas at what might hurt trump. the latest is we are now going to have a flurry of debates. he doesn't have those long periods during debates which is immediate drought for other candidates and where he has been
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soaking up all the air time. so donald trump, our insiders say has the most to lose in the debate because the others have the chance to tell their story. so much of 2016 conch is trump tv. now we're going to see the others and politico just popped up a fascinating story. our poll analyst says it's looking like rand paul drops off the main stage in next week's republican debate in lass vegas and chris christie will be back. polling numbers indicate that almost certainly christie will be one of eight candidates on the main stage which is big for him. another candidate the insiders are saying has a lot to lose is marco rubio. they have been surfing a web of great attention. it's cruz that's been moving up in the polling. such a big cruz story. >> mike allen reporting from
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john stewart stopped by steven colbert's late show last night where he continued the request for funding health care for 9/11 first responders. colbert interrupted stewart saying his speech had no jazz and told him to trump it up a little bit. he put on a wig and added some orange glow with some cheeto dust. >> bring the noise. bring the trump. >> all right ft 9/11 first responders. >> bring the trump.
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>> these 9/11 first responders. let me tell you something, these 9/11 first responders america can produce, don't let congress play politics with this necessary bill. if i'm elected and i will be elected, i will build a war around politics and make politics pay for it. tweet at your congressmen with the hashtag worst responders. tell them donald said pull up your big boy pants and make america great again or i will glue congress together, dip them in gold and wear them around my freaking neck. >> the drug act expired the fall. it takes care of first responders. the ones who rushed into the buildings on 9/11. the question is money. it's $8 billion. it's interesting when people say they're worried about spending
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in this case. paul ryan did say the other day you guys worried about the 9/11 package. that's going to be taken care of, don't worry. let's do it soon. coming up at the top of the hour, brand new poll in new hampshire this morning. see what donald trump's resent comments is having on muslims. plus a new name serging into second place on that poll. one governor takes matters in his own hands when it comes to limiting guns in the no fly zone list. we'll talk about that when morning joe coming right back. you can't deal with something by ignoring .t but that's how some presidential candidates seem to be dealing with social security. americans work hard and pay into it, so our next president needs a real plan to keep it strong. (elephant noise) (donkey noise) hey candidates! answer the call already. prge! a manufacturer.
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the past couple of years when people talk about global warming i'm like okay, why are we missing out on it in the northeast? you can look at the planets burning hot everywhere else. for december for the holiday break i feel stupid doing it when it's as beautiful as it is. . >> i bet president obama is going to be on the list today. >> i'm being told by our meteorologist we're keeping one
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in the control room. 69 degrees. here, new york city, 69 degrees. >> when is it going to be in miami? >> 90. >> i think you're going to get what you can get. if bill were still here and alive you get those weather patterns and they go up and down and i will tell you, everybody i know is going out golfing every single day. it's unbelievable. >> i miss bill karens. >> i do. he was a good guy. it's a shame. it is ashame what happened. she accident. that's not how you want go out. >> five days straight. why don't we, i think we need to raise the level of this course
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here and of course, the way you do that, how you do that, you get the person in from the south of france. >> really? >> who grew up in the south of france. >> hello, how are you? >> good. >> mark halperin still with us. joining the conversation bill press. is it bill press show or the bill press show. >> you have to add the "the ". it's like mr. so and so. you need the title. >> it's like strokes. it's not strokes, it's the strokes. >> also with us msnbc political contributor and editor of the fix at the washington post. >> i get a sense he's burning. >> let me note i have shorts on underneath this.
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>> that's good to know. >> yeah. >> it's a very chill vibe down here. >> i guess that's good news. >> we also have, what is going on? >> i don't know. >> it's like a room sponsored by captain morgan. >> also with us we have the moderator of meet the press chuck todd joins us in a moment. >> so we're all talking about how warm it is, you run every day. >> i do. i had a great run yesterday. >> how about the warm weather? >> i love it. it's been great.
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rising six points since mid-november. >> you know what they call that? the morning joe bomb. >> they do. if you go to a cabin and you're there for three hours you'll get a ratings jump. >> six point ratings jump. >> got the endorsement from the leader. they're starting to balance. >> yeah, i've been hearing a lot about him in new hampshire. you never know. before a string of big endorsements and the accompany that's close behind with marco rubio in third and 11% and ted cruz at 10%.
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>> carly had her moment and fail and she can come back in january. everybody can. what about marco? you heard the momentum, momentum and he took on ted cruz. there's no doubt at least in iowa, my god, ted cruz is mark halperin, ted cruz is cleaning up in iowa. he's got the big three endorsements. the momentum. look at the last of this past week's poll, looks like everything is breaking cruz's way in iowa. >> cruz has a state he can win, clearly iowa. he's got money in the bank. a lot of money in the bank and more coming in. he has states down the road. you can look at them and say here's how ted cruz can get a majority of delegates. let's see what happens when people start running negative adds against them.
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historically negative adds. not positive adds but negative adds have moved numbers. we can say what's going to be in the negative add about christie. >> so bill, we've been talking about marco rubio for some time. two first term republican senators. you look at the money and cruz is ahead. look at the numbers of people on the ground and cruz is ahead of rubio. look at complaints that rubio is not coming enough. cruz is there 42 months or so. it doesn't seem like a competition. >> i always thought rubio would be the most attractive candidate. he's young and attractive. i think the bump in the road is ted cruz and he has another advantage building on what mark said which is the evangelical core. his dad is a preacher and he
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speaks to the group and that's where he's picking up the big a trump is a fire cracker and could destroy the party. they're looking at another conservative. i don't think marco will have his moment. remember four years ago everybody was up at one point. even mental anguish which he will bachmann and herman cain had their moment. >> wasn't it fascinating yesterday richard hass was on the show. >> and responds to your interview. >> and was impressed by ted cruz's policy. >> you have been meeting with him for quiet sometime now and you're talking about the depth of his intellect.
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with donald trump climbing in the national polls gop insiders macon test his election next summer. multiple sources tell bob the topic came up that included senator majority leader mitch mcconnel with more than 20 leading figures at a party near the capitol monday. >> so you've done reporting on this yourself. i understand you talked to a source inside the dinner last night. what did they tell you? >> this is not a big story. to an extent this is what they do. >> the republican establishment realizes two things. one, they probably can't stop trump. trump can sort of stop himself. voters can stop him.
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number two, no offense. number two, that donald trump is a disaster for them. that people like rob portland in ohio and ron johnson, wisconsin, senators who they at least need some of these people to win to keep the majority would have no chance of winning. you take inability to stop with disaster if he's the nominee and i think brokered convention isn't that farfetched. it's quiet clearly a last resort. marco is hoping ted cruz, they view him as more credible. more, i don't know more wreckable but less dangerous to the rest of the party.
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ted cruz is becoming a type of establishment. >> brokers convince, bring it on. i think they've got to stop donald trump. the other republican candidates have to say not what they said about the muslim community but they will not endorse him or support him as nominee of the party. >> doesn't that make him stronger and play into his hand? >> yes. >> damned in they do and damned if they don't. they have to do this and paul ryan had to do what he did.
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they are all worried about the house. this is all driven in washington by fears of the down ballot. the fear of trump is not getting the white house. the fear of trump is he's a nominee and not only does he lose a senate but it puts the house in jeopardy. joe, we talked about this before. if that's what they care about, drive trump to the third party and then you get the best of all words. >> yes. >> lindsey graham said i had rather lose without trump than try to win with donald trump. if they're going to lose the house, the senate and white house anyway, better to lose it with somebody else than with donald trump. at least the party stands for something. >> they said you can't call them a brokers convention because there's no brokers. there's nobody in the party that's going to be able to wheel and deal this one together.
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>> mark halperin at the risk of doing a rating on tv. people coming in with a lot of delegates. cruz may have that, trump may have that. don't know who else may have enough delegates to say i've got the ability to trade to build additional support. it wouldn't be a first or second ballot thing. we would go round after round. for the establishment, some think could paul ryan be the nominee at that point? trump has to be managed without a doubt. the other thing these people are thinking a lot about, these establishment types is trump
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voters because if trump isn't the nominee, the party has a much better chance to win the election. >> if he gets the most votes, most delegates and goes to the convention and the republican establishment strips him of the nomination, they just confirmed every suspicion that the republican base has had. >> that's the reason he exists. >> what is the likely hood of four or five candidates tropping out on the republican side in the coming weeks to say we have to stop. does rmc go to to stop this we have to do this.
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trump believes he can bring out an extra group of republicans that have not voted in the past. he can bring more whatever voters there might be that might not have voted in the past, does he have that capacity and are these fears overdrawn? >> on the republican side he has that capacity. what we found interesting is mitt romney's attacks on hispanics early in iowa actually impacted his about to gain asian american voters.
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a group that republicans long gain. attacks in a strange way against muslim americans hurt republicans with hispanics, with asian americans up and down the line. basically, all nine white caucasian white voters. z. >> you tell me. florida, south carolina, georgia, arizona, i'm talking new states that get thrown in here and particular georgia and arizona. if you start seeing 80%. if they're panicking about trump they need to go to rubio and say hey, why don't you win iowa.
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he didn't look like he's playing to win iowa. i think he's going to regret letting ted cruz run that there. if he comes out of iowa with the win, i don't know where he gets back into this thing and i think there's different ways this plays out. it plays out in a long time. iowa is right now ted cruz in a huge way and he has momentum carson never had. he has endorsements carson never had. let's talk for a second about down ballot. people think it's about the presidential race and don't
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realize the republican party has over 60% of the legislature across america. they own the house. they own the senate. they have so much more to lose than the presidency if things go badly at the top of the ticket. >> there's no question and the optimist in the party say maybe trump will be better at the top of the ticket than cruz. the establishment doesn't think either of them wins but maybe trump brings out in some people that if he's a democratic nominee they get enough of the vote to save the down ballot people with trump bringing in new people. they hope trump saves new money although he has not done that. on the question of the nomination, look, right now, they have the say the coming out of new hampshire trump and cruz will be dominate figures. the establishment at that point would rush to anote who looked the strongest out of new
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hampshire or south carolina out of the candidates kasich, bush, rubio or christie. today you would say rubio. rubio is not strong in iowa right now. >> let me ask you, why do you say rubio? we just showed a poll that had chris christie moving ahead in new hampshire and rubio going down. the only candidate in the top five to actually lose percentage points. >> they're going after him but the minute he looks strong in new hampshire, strong enough to win new hampshire you'll see negative adds showing him after sandy with president obama. cruz after south carolina on the calender. christie looks weaker than rubio. where does christie win after
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new hampshire? >> is he a primary? no. >> if rubio wins iowa he is the strongest establishment candidate. >> thank you all very much. the frontlines against terrorism, the city's police commissioner is here along with his top deputy on intelligence, john miller. we'll talk about what new yorkers and the nation needs to know about homeland security. you're watching morning joe. we'll be right back. today people are coming out to the nation's capital to support an important cause that can change the way you live for years to come. how can you help? by giving a little more, to yourself. i am running for my future.
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sign a strong statement that anybody killing a police officer, death penalty. it's going to happen. we can't let this go. we can't let this go. >> all right. 21 past the hour. joining us now, commissioner of the new york city police department bill b rraton. john miller. two perfect people to ask this question. one in five americans say terrorism or specifically islamic extremism is the most important problem facing the country today. is there fear in perspective wif reality? >> fear, i think is not informed by the reality we're dealing with. in this city we're in a place.
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the issue of fear we want people to be aware but not fearful we're in good shape. there's so much fear. the calls i get, the attention, i'm amazed there is that level of fear. we have to understand that's the reality of it. >> but you look at it in terms of what you're seeing from the inside and the outside rhetoric. you feel other factors playing in the fears beyond the reality of them.
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there is much with the -- >> mika and her family went out a week ago after paris and people were glad showing their bags. you guys have amped it up a little bit, have you not? >> we were fortunate and dramatically expanded the number of crops assigned to the counter terrorism. >> right, wasn't that a response to what was happening in paris and san dean know. >> john and i were engaged in law enforcement. that informed us coming in in 2014 we took our positions. john took a look at when we needed to do to ramp that up.
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>> we are getting asked the question the commissioner asked is it safe to come to new york? >> it's safe to come to new york, probably safer in new york than anywhere else you can think of. every for ris attack that happens anywhere in the world of significance we go stud zi. z
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zsh. >> the bad news is where people are still operating on rumor and other things they don't have the
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capabilities we once had and move forward in the part of industry to make the apps. you'll note the fbi mentioned yesterday before the attacks were two men with ak 47's and iad's, there were 109 messages exchanged between them and isil which can't be encrypted which is a free app anyone can get even with a warrant from the federal judge. >> what's the defense of that you hear from private business? >> that is where it gets kor complicated. private business has a story. you, the government told us we have to harden these things against hackers and so on. we've hardened them so even we can't break into them and you, the government has a back door to compromise that. not the case. what the fbi director is asking
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for is not a back door but a front door that when you show up with a court order or search warrant you've gone through an entire process to prove your probable cause that maybe something dangerous happened there. aside from terrorism child exploration, kidnapping, criminal gang plot to commit murders from prison. >> with that in mind, how difficult is it to intercept these isis inspired attacks? in other words, maybe there was no direct order coming from overseas. you had two people radicalized and inspired by isis. how can you catch that? >> multiple ways.
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we also through the traditional informant types of information that's with the joint terrorism task force and the fbi is so essential. the idea that you start building a case that something is percolating. there's been a number of those types of incidences where we start watching the ripples, if you will, spreading out. so once again, john is correct. in new york my predecessor built the foundation. and we saw resent events their ability to pull off a bomb in a plane zplchlt isis is a greater
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threat now an al qaeda was. >> we have competition vm. >> i've got to go back to the app question. what constitutional right do americans have to download these apps and have encrypted user to user messaging? beyond. why can't law enforcement, the president, congress pass legislation that presents this? >> it's about the law keeping up with the technology. they covered a new technology. if the law said you're creating a new device, it was considering drug tcartels and organized crime. there has to be a way for the lawful intercept of those communications. the argument from the app developers is this isn't a telephone we're making.
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it isn't a communications device. this is about the will of the people. people need to understand the history of the past couple of years and it's up to people. which is anybody who trades privacy for security is a fool saying it goes back to our founders. but what we're asking isn't for trade. it's how do you want to balance the two? it's up to you. that's why they consider the laws. >> commissioner bill braton and john miller, thank you for everything you do. coming up, we'll get perspective from the other side of the pawn. first, rom emanual does something rare. he apologizes but that's not slowing calls for him to vacate city hall in chicago. we'll have that story coming up.
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i own it. i take responsibility for what happened because it happened on my watch. if we're going to fix it, it's my responsibility with you. if we're going to begin the healing process, the first step in that journey is my step and i'm sorry. one young man asked me a simple question that gets to the core
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of what we're talking about. he said do you think the police would treat you the way they treat me? and the answer is no. that is wrong. that has to change in this city and that has to come to an end and end now. no citizen is a second class citizen in the city of chicago. [ applause ] if my treated are treated one way, every child is treated the same way. there is one standard for our young man. >> that was chicago mayor rom emanual during an emotional address. calls for his resignation have
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only intensified since then. medical students taking part in a demonstration yesterday demanding that the democrat accept down. there's no mechanism to force the mayor from office. so activist are trying to build support for a bill introduced in the state legislature to allow a recall election. that's a long shot. if passed and signed by the governor, the bill would need to signatures of 85,000 chicago voters and the support of two city alderman. >> i don't see those chances being good and certainly not applied to a mayor retro actively. i don't see how you do that. >> i don't see rom resigning. >> no. >> i'm not convinced when you look at the decades long problem
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you've had in she cramerica go, i'm not sure all of this should be labeled. >> you go back to pictures from the 1968 democratic convention, there has been a concern about excessive use of force in chicago for half a century now. the question is how he manages this. it's a great start in i know him. you and i both know him and serve with him and i don't think there's a person more committed to solving problems.
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>> it's will he increase and not let it go below the teens you wonder what happens to chicago. >> what's interesting to me is that there hasn't been more of a focus on the prosecutor. >> who had access from the very g beginning. >> it was her responsibility. i wonder though whether the focus is misguided.
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>> i think she should be looked at through a more careful lenses. i think there's been misperceptions along the way. there's been talk of hush money to the family. that's a misperception and then i think there's clearly a total look that needs to be given to the chicago police department and policing. that has everyone involved with. >> if he does not fix this to mark's point his legacy will be stained and he'll have a big problem. again, i think he's capable of fissioning this but he's got to do it. >> he's got to do it in a big way. he'll be better for the country at this point.
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42 past the hour. joining us now from washington british defense secretary michael fallon. good to have you on board this morning, sir. >> mr. secretary, the battle against isis has come to your doorstep. i was surprised to learn this morning that the current u.k. threat level is severe which means a terror attack is highly likely. you know, we feel like we're on the frontlines here. you all are actually closer to the threat, aren't you. >> yes, we have been for over a year now since we started striking in the campaign. air strikes over iraq is part of the coalition effort to degrade and destroy isil and just last
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week parliament gave us authority to extend those strikes to syria. we've been striking there, the infrastructure that supports isil over the last seven days and i'm here in washington to review with your defense secretary ash carter the current campaign across both theaters, iraq and syria. >> you know, mr. secretary it seems that your country has been able to do what leaders in our country have not been able to do and that's show more of a united front. if foreign chancellor, i never heard say a nice thing about david cameron. but he was behind cameron and seems most british politicians are supportive of this action. >> yes, the debate, the decision to extend the action to syria was carried by a huge majority
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in our parliament. it makes no sense to be attacking isil on one side of an artificial line and not the other when isil doesn't recognize the boarder. this is one campaign. particularly, its headquarterers. it is these attacks being inspired, directed, organized and financed. attacks in western europe and the murders we saw recently on the streets of paris. >> go ahead, john. >> sir, could you talk about the potential roll for russia in this on going struggle? >> well, russia has intervened in this civil war on syria and been attacking the forces, the moderate forces opposed to the dicta
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dictator. he's been bombing his own civilians and hundreds of thousands have died and millions displaced. we need to persuade russia to join with us and encourage all parties to get together and look to a different settlement in syria that's beginning to happen with a conference held in saudi arabia next week and we can all focus on the real menace which is the terrorist brutality of isil headquarterered in northeast syria. >> i'm curious what you think about president obama's response and if it's thorough enough. >> there is a coalition taking on isil. the united states has been leading the coalition and
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carrying out the majority of air strikes and the trading support there's been to iraq and curd forces. we need to intensify that. we need to step up the focus, particularly on attacking the infrastructure that supports isil, its finances and dependency on trading and selling oil and the infrastructure, the supply roots, the control and logistics. we need to step up and defeat this organization. >> is president obama up to the task? >> the united states has been leading in this task and i'm going to be reviewing with defense secretary carter this afternoon where the campaign now is. the united states has called on other countries to step up as well and deploy more to the fights. we have doubled the number of strike aircraft that we are bringing to the campaign and
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continuing to help train. we have seen the damage isil can do and bringing down the russian airliner and bombing and slaughterings. and the isil inspired attacks you've seen here. >> can you explain why the french did not invoke article five of nato and why isn't nato the answer to the question on how to defeat isil? >> all 28 members of nato have been involved in the international coalition against isil. the french asked for particular help under the european article because they wanted help to back fill on some of the european missions already being organized in africa in western and central
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africa. they wanted help reinforcing the missions and they've asked for help and we've been quiet proud to do that. we've had a worship helping to defend the french aircraft carrier. we've supplied our own airfield as a diversion airfield and we'll do what we can. we're all in this together. france is asked to help. united nations has asked all countries to do more and the united states has now asked its allies to contribute more to the fight. we're all in this. >> all right. thank you so much. secretary michael fallon, we greatly appreciate it. that was interesting he said everybody. you kept asking the president to contain. everybody has to do more and everybody needs to step up and do more. what was enough six months ago, three months ago.
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>> i found especially chilling commissioner braton's concept that he put on the table about al qaeda and isis know, i never this way. but yeah. >> here's a guy that says that isis is a more dangerous force to america and new york city than a force that killed 3,000 americans on september 11th, john? >> well, it's the atomization. that's one of the issues we have. we talk about air strikes. we absolutely have to do that. but as we saw in san bernardino, this is not a geographical concept. >> you have to take their land from them, because the call fit is basically the north star for jihadists across the globe. that's step one.
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but step two is, haired, i say this as a republican. i'm sure you will have to agree as a dot com, we have to step up the power of the nsa, give them power to see where the next terrorists are coming from. and yes we are going to have to get leadership on capitol hill and in the white house to pass legislation post edward snow den legislation, that stops this person to person encrypted messages. >> listening to the commissioner and his deputy, deputy miller, talk, it's some reassurance i think as you listen to experts talk about how first of all the scope and the breadth of the threat we face and the things that we're doing. there is no doubt -- and we had this conversation earlier. these are the things i wanted to hear from the president. and i think a lot of americans were wanting to hear. and frankly, there might even be a wider acceptance to things that people might have resisted six months ago, a year ago or even two two years ago. >> right. >> in fact, the leading
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republican a few months ago who was probably rand paul, a year and three lonts later he is running last -- >> he is not going on on the main stage. >> near last largely because he finds himself on the outside of this issue. the guys running second, your interview with him yesterday was good, he is shifting his position. that being ted cruz. understandly we have got to fien our way back to giving the government the powers to surveil. coming u keeping those on no fly lists from buying guns. the political implications of denim malloy's ask it executive action. next on "morning joe." those seats sometimes cost a ridiculous number of miles, making it really hard to book the flight you want. luckily, there's a better way... with the capital one venture card. with venture, you'll earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, every day.
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democrats continue calling for loopholeho connecticut's governor took matters intois own hands yester dannel malloynnounced he would sign an executive order banning people on federal terrorism watch lists from buying firearms in his state. >> like all americans, i've been hor phied by the recent terrorist attack in california and paris this. should be a wakeup call for all of us. this is a moment to seize here in america. and today i'm here to say that connecticut, we are seizing this moment. if you cannot fly due to being on a government watch list, you should not be able to purchase a firearm while on that watch list as well. this is basic common sense.
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the american people get it. >> malloy says the order will go into affect oncehe white house who he has beenng with on the policy grants state access to some of the government's watch lists. they need the list in order to enforce it. >> can the president not issue an executive order doing this also? i don't know the rules. one would think if he could that he absolutely should. this would be one of the -- if congress is refusing that, because this congress won't act as quickly as they should, the president should just do it. >> if you look at the connecticut post subed, it says the acl and other groups opposed this action becausef eqnt rors o the watch list. fix the watch list. >> fixhelist. >> right. >> tight ten watch list. >> it's really >> i can guarantee you if 90% of american support strengthened background checks post oklahoma city, 95% of americans support
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keeping people on the terror watch list from being go out and buy bush masters. >> i think it would be 100%. >> we are in as much in a moment on guns as we are in terror f. you compare the maps of terror incidents in this country and then do all the guns, the country is covered. >> hears what's fascinating. >> we are avoiding an issue that's as big or bigger. >> what's fascinating n a new york times poll that came out today on terror and fear. 19 -- the number of people supporting a so call assault weapons ban has dropped by 19 percentage points, going back to fear. because of the fear. >> and it was a republican president who banned federal assault weapons, george h.w. bush. and it expired in '04. >> yep. up next, could president obama's handling of isis be fuelling donald trump's success in the
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you having ban first lady, what qualities does your husband have that w be good for that job? like what -- knowing what you brought to it [ laughter ] like being first spouse. >> okay. all right. well, i really haven't given this a lot of thought. but maybe i should. >> yes. >> he's a great host. >> yeah, i would imagine. >> oh, god. o yeah. so any event, you know i can really count on him to make
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people feel comfortable. he loves giving tours.ite house. so -- >> that's good. >> you know, he is kind of veganish. and he might have some, you know, useful information about menus. >> like if a vegan come to the white house. >> yeah, what do you feed a vegan. >> gotcha. >> goom, it's friday december 11th. can you belief it's friday? >> no, i can't. >> i can't. >> i can't. it's 8:00 a.m. on the east co 5:00 a.m. on the west. john myrtle beachham and mark hall parrin. >> somebody is tweeting we went to have rails. that we are a waste of time. donald says he will easily beat hillary. he doesn't want to run against me. he is upset about iowa, us talking about iowa. he said, listen, i will win iowa, also. what's so interesting is, you know, i actually predicted this, i will say.
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>> thank you, dan. >> i predicted ben carson's rise in iowa, and fall. it happened. i'm just telling you, i predicted ted truz's rise in iowa. he may fall, but mark my words, the next several polls that come out are going to show ted cruz way ahead in iowa. will ted cruz stay way ahead in iowa? who knows. i mean we've got a long way to iowa, but for him to turn us off because we are telling the truth about what is happening on the ground in iowa, he is getting the big endorsements, he has momentum, and he is rising in the polls right now. if you tune us out for because we're right you are hurting yourself. mitt romney did that during the 2012 campaign. he didn't like that i was telling the truth about how badly his campaign was being run. they turned us off.
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watched only fox. and they were still watching fox on election night, and they thought they won, when i could have told him -- tune us out if you want. live in a bubble if you want. but i'm sorry, we're right 99% the time on this. and ted cruz, like him or not, is making a break right now in iowa. we don't know how long that will last. but mark it down. there is a cnn nool has donald trump ahead by about ten points. other polls -- trump is up 23 to 30%. you can cherry pick that poll if you want. it actually has a bigger universe of voters out there that usually does favor donald trump. and who knows, maybe done will bring more people out to the polls on caucus night. you never know. but there is no doubt, you talk to anybody on the ground right now and they are telling you, ted cruz is making a break. >> if you could put those tweets that trump did in the last 20
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minutes back up, there are two about "morning joe," and also two about ted cruz. and the new york times broke the story about cruz privately criticizing trump. it's always been an open question when the trump/cruz war would begin f. that breaks out now, if that deeat that time ends it's going to be trump going after him on personality, on the metadata connection. trump versus krez reforically on the ground in iowa that would be an important matter in this race. >> talk about what happened behind closed doors at a ted cruz fund-raiser that actually donald trump is starting to focus on. >> i'm surprised the story hasn't blown up more. the cruz campaign basically denied it. i asked him about it yesterday at the heritage foundation. he wouldn't respond. but the times reported that cruz went after trump and carson, questioned their judgment about
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whether they could be commander in chief. and also some other comments he made at this closed fund raiser in manhattan on wednesday. then after cruz kind of denied it the times put out the audio and showed cruz not just questioning trump and carson's leadership and judgment, but also being a pundit, just like mitt romney with the donors which smart candidates avoid in talking about how his strategy has been to hug carson and trump even though the press tries to pick fights in order to pick up their support. but this is the kind of thing trump does not like. as one of those tweets suggest he is going to talk about krez as a big money candidatend a puppet of special mundo fors. >> you mentioned that audio. let's play it for you now. >> the final two candidates i'll discuss are trump and ben carson. both of them i like and respect. both donald and ben. with both of them, i think gravity is pulling them down. we've seen that.
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carson is further in that decent. i think in both instances in particular you look at paris and you look at san bernardino. it's given a seriousness to this race that people are looking for, who is prepared to be a commander in chief, who understands the threats we face? who am i comfortable having their finger on the button? >> i'm not going to comment on what i may or may not have said at private fund-raiser. what i will say is this, the course of a presidential election, the voters are going to make a decision about every candidate. and ultimately, the decision is who has the right judgment. experience and judgment to serve as commander in chief. >> i would never say anything in a fund-raiser i wouldn't say at a public event. i mean, it is a public event. as i said, obviously, you can't control what people are going to tell people after you leave there. but my message is consistent, whether it is in a private
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meeting with a individual, in a group of donors or in a broader setting. >> good idea as mark was suggesting john, not to play pundit when you are running for president behind closed doors with donors because you are going to get caught talk become the 47%. also going to get caught talking about other presidential candidates when you don't want to be. >> right. and rubio is exactly right. whoever thinks there is such a thing as a private moment anymore has been running in 1964. >> what planet are you on? >> yeah. i mean there is sort of complete persistent transparency. i don't think it's good, particularly. because it does -- it forecloses candor, which is too bad. but rubio is right. i mean, don't say anything that you wouldn't want broadcast on "morning joe." >> you know, mark, what is so fascinating about donald trump is donald trump must win 50 out of 50 states or it's all out
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warfare. if i or any other political candidate were ahead in 49 of 50 states, i wouldn't focus on a poll or two and freak out and say i'm not going to talk to the people who have actually been saying that i have got a chance to actually win this thing for six months. it is a zero sum game with him. he is not going to win every election. >> yeah. look overshadowed by trump's proposal on muslim immigrants was in that same news cycle he said, you know, ted cruz comes after me, i'm going to come after him. he hasn't come after me yet. this is a big moment for trump to decide does he want to stake hiss candidacy to some extent on iowa and beating ted cruz in iowa. >> why would he? he has a bump in the national polls, he has a huge bump in new hampshire. he has a huge bump in south carolina. why focus on iowa? why the obsession of winning 50 of 50? >> three runs. one is he is a competitive guy,
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doesn't want to lose everything ever. two is he thinks he can beat tez ted cruz and the easiest way for donald trump to become the nominee is to win iowa and ted cruz. if he can beat ted cruz that's within reach. this i predictable cycle, and trum is aware of that. and he knows you can't ignore the notion that i lose iowa and i win two other states. it's to volatile. you can't risk losing in iowa. that could lead to a series of events cascading that could hurt him. i think now if trump decides to take on cruz, rubio, jeb bush and others, chris christiety are going to be delighted. because if those two guys are at war it could bring them both down. >> i want to go back to the new york times poll on terrorism. >> yep. >> and we talked about president obama's weakness with the american electorate. if you look on the republican side there are two candidates that have gained the most post paris.
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and that's ted cruz and donald trump. and i was actually before we talked so much about president obama, was going to come on and say this has now become in the middle of december a two-person race for the republican nomination, between donald trump and ted cruz. >> and side note to that, you d carmissioner bratton talking about inflammatory rhetoric, actually inciting fear. and actually it not being in >> look at this. our reality. donald trump and ted cruz coincidentally add up to 71%. if you put very capable or somewhat capable of handling terrorism according to gop voters in the cbs news new york times poll. mark we saw the big headline talking about how these fears help donald trump. they tep ted cruz as well. you are exactly well, if ted cruz and donald trump start shooting at each other right now, the beneficiaries, marco rubio, chris christiety, jeb
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bush. and we'll see what happens. >> remember that the establishment vote in iowa could be up to 40% of the vote. so if you can imagine a world where trump and cruz go after each other over the next month or so, they both end up more down in the high teens by the end -- i'm not predicting it but it could happen if they go after each other, and an establishment candidate who catches fire in iowa could be the surprise of the night and have a huge leg up. >> this is the first thing i have heard ever since trump entered the race where everyone says what stumps trump, what stops him? i can't think of anything except this, this seems realistic, the two of them going after each other and letting the others rise up, because they would fit a mold that wouldn't make the -- country krvelt. >> donald trump needs to avoid being baited into a fight with ted cruz in iowa unless he wants to help marco, jeb -- because you are right. the establishment candidates,
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mark hall pairin get 30, 35% in iowa. you talk about how conservative, the conservatives will be chopped up into little pieces if these two, who the conservatives love start killing each other in iowa. >> the other wrinkle is carson. his campaign manager told the ap he has already raised $20 million in this quarter. imagine a world where he holds 20% and where a lot of religious voters in iowa say you know what, i don't like this trump/cruz fight i'm going to go with the gentle and soft spoken guy. he could take enough away from trump and cruz that the hot establishment candidate could rise up. >> again john myrtle beachham it's efficient to be ahead in 49 statements. sometimes youon have to declare nuclear war if you are winning in as many states as donald tru i >> right. >> again, his lead is expandsing in south carolina. his lead is expanding in new
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hampshire. it's expanding nationwide. right now, iowa seems seems to be a one-off. >> right, but if -- one of the things that's true about human nature, we all have the vices of our virtues. you just said a second ago, trump can't let cruz bait him into a fight. but trump is a rolling fight. i mean, it's an ongoing -- >> that's the normal. >> yeah. the normal is there has to be conflict. and so this week it's the islamic world. >> right. >> you know? this morning, apparently, it's "morning joe." this afternoon, it will be cruz. it just -- it's one -- it's a series of boxing rounds. >> could be wrong, but i think that dynamic with cruz could be really the first time where we see something different happen. >> yep. i want to squeeze in another major headline this morning. the popular pod cast serial launched its second season
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yesterday turning the spotlight on u.s. army sergeant beauberg call and why he left his post in afghanistan more than six years ago. berg call was held captive by the taliban for five years before being freed in a prisoner swap. the pod cast fs his firsthand account of walking off his remote army post in 2009. craig melvin joins us now. what new light is being shed on the case? >> it is another voice down a crackly phone line telling his story this time on the pod cast serial. one of the most controversial figures in modern american history, sergeantberg call waiting to hear whether he will face court martial but already using this unusual form to his defense. >> i'm in over my head. >> in the interview with america's last prisoner of war. >> suddenly this starts to sink in that i really did something serious. >> beauberg call, in 25 hours in
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taped conversation with the screenwriter behind zero dark 30 casts himself in a dre >> i was trying to prove to - >> saying he walked off an 2009 part of a plot to expose his leaders and track taliban fighters who instead captured him. >> the next morning was you know where i got myself screwed. >> surrounded, he admits he did not fight back. >> i'm not stupid to try to knife off a bunch of guys with ak-47s. >> how are those two things going on in the same rational mind? it doesn't make any sense. >>berg call's platoon maitd malt was interviewed for the pod cast. >> he says himself as a super soldier, jason bourn person, and he says his intentions are to save up. but he went and did the exact opposite for that. >> reporter: released in a 2014 for prisoners held at guantanamo
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bay. >> he wasn't forgotten by his country. >> he even kept sketsts from his parents. >> i was confident that when people invested the situation that people would understand that i was right. >> reporter: with pressure mounting on the obama administration to try him as a deserter. >> we're tired of sergeantberg call a no-good traitor, who should have been executed -- >> reporter: this sergeant now making serial his public defense. >> the more people knew about sergeantberg call's case, the facts and circumstances, the better. and i feel that way about the pod cast. >> serial set records with more than 100 million down loads and streams in its first season, earning a new look for the convicted killer. in that case down in baltimore. i listened to the first episode. whatever your opinion is on the
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case, it's compelling. >> wow. >> there is something else that becomes glaringly obvious after 20 minutes, it's that the sergeant is detached from reality. he is pretty delusional. >> craig. thank you very much, fascinating. >> his platoon mate said he would have to be detached from reality. he actually was detached from reality. there were army investigators looking into what he did tearing up on the stand because it was actually certainly a terrible story for his platoon mates who had to go out and search for him. but this is -- to suggest that this guy was some den dakota arnold that needed to be execute -- actually, i'm sorry. when i see beau bergdahl i don't flinch, but when i see his parents, this young man when he needed guidance the moet most, didn't get it.
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and there is no doubt you look at this and you actually look at the army investigators -- again, tearing up on the stand, about the abuse that he took when he was in taliban captivity. the suggestion that he was somehow a taliban agent, a turn coat, is ridiculous. >> all right. still ahead on "morning joe," claire mccasse co, unplugged. comparing one of her senate colleagues to a cheap shotgun. >> not an expensive one. jeb bush was the odds on favorite to win amongst the deep pocketed donors. we'll break down the numbers just ahead. first, bill karens with a check on the forecast. >> shotgun is tame compared to the things you have compared me to. break out the list. >> don't talk about -- okay. thank you. >> is it going to be warm all winter, bill? do we have that whole gulf stream action? is that going to be working for us all winter.
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>> the first half of the winter. second half of the winter will be typical where we'll get the snow and everything else gray laiks and the new england area. until after new years it doesn't look promising if you love snow and the cold air. >> we don't. we're fine. >> you had enough the last two years. >> let's talk about the storm in the west. yesterday huge s in washington state. we had a tornado. it's rare to have a tornado period in washington state let alone to have it in the month of december. did do minor dama no injuries, no fatalities. huge waves of a the coast of california. storm? central california some of the worst weather today. as far as the heat goes. we have record heat. texas today 70s. oklahoma city, 70. record highs across the boards three days in a row. new york city should be 67 by
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the time we get to sunday. the only problem when the storm in the west headquarters east it's so warm it's a springtime set up,a severe weather tomorrow. heads up, dallas,wichita, oklahocity. we'll have to watch and s how the storms develop. if they are super cells they could produce isolated tornadoes late in the afternoon. of course the sun sets so early so it's hard to see them, too. wintertime tornadoes can be very dangerous. by the t we get to sunday all the warm air is in the east. near 70 degrees in washington, d.c. in the middle of dember. doesn't happen very often. that's why we are going off the record temperatures up and down the east coast. it will get col cooler next week. no signs of a true artic cold air over the next week. more "morning joe" when we come back. amerivest selects the funds and manages your portfolio.
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i think he is capable. i watched him fine that sweet spot of compromise on the immigration reform. but then he broke down like a cheap shotgun the minute the rights started crewing on his rear end. what, me? immigration reform? no, wasn't me. and that was really disappointing to me. that's not what president right side -- presidents are made of. don't have to be popular with other senators. but you need to be respected by other senators if you have what it takes to be president of the united states. i mean, barack obama wasn't popular with all the senators. but he was respected. and marco is respected.
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i don't think ted has the respect of hits fellow senators. >> senator claire mccasse kell weighing in on her colleagues marco rubio and ted cruz in an interview yesterday. claire doing what claire does. >> doesn't that echo who all of us heard anecdotally about ted cruz, that internally he is not well liked. >> yeah. >> fbi divers spent hours searching a lake near the san bernardino shooting scene yesterday. investigators say they are following a lead that indicated the shooters may have spent time there. >> we think this search will last for days. it's very possible. we would be remiss not to go into this lake and do a conductive thorough search for any evidentiary items that may come back. >> the mother of enrique marquez, the men who bought two of the guns subsequently used in the attack told rotters yesterday her son is a good
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person. he has been coup cooperating with investigators. he told them that syed rizwan farook was considering an attack in 2012 in the los angeles area. marquez has not been charged in a crime. meanwhile, on capitol hill the fbi director gave a classified briefing about the shooting to lawmakers yesterday. >> the director has emphasized that we're not aware of any other components to this particular plot. in other words, coconspirators that may still be out there that pose a risk to the public. that's obviously the first and foremost priority for the bureau. they are not aware of anything along those lines. and one of the first funerals was held yesterday. hundreds of people, including several law enforcement officers remembered 27-year-old yvette val as co. coming up on "morning joe," the first laefd new york city is using his public platform to tackle an often private issue. mcrae is here with a new public
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before the bell. joining us to discuss cnbc's new millionaire survey on the 2016 race, cnn nbc wealth reporter robert frank. that's quite a job. >> i follow the money, the big money. >> i like it. >> we are so focused on the republicans.
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but i want to talk about who is winning the overall race. >> yeah. >> who do the millionaires really love right now? >> when you look at the overall race, which is splintered right now, you have got to take it with a grain of saltful but hillary clinton is still top among millionaires. getting about 34% of the but the big change this this latest survey -- we've been doing this the past year. jeb bush was far and away the number one candidate among gop millionaires. >> right. >> this latest survey, he fell down to number four. >> here's hillary clinton at 34%. >> what's behind that? >> marco at 13%. trump at 9%, surprisingly. >> yeah. >> carson at 9%. i say surprisingly because we hear that millionaires don't like trump. but he actually -- almost 10%. >> i did mireille durocher bertin than i thought he would do. but there is also the public perception oh, he is one of the wealthy and therefore the wealthy will embrace him.
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they really haven't. if you look, particularly with the national polls he is not doing well with this group. rubio being favored among millionaires, they are not going to advertise that to the public. this is not a benefit in a pop laws election cycle. where it matters is funding. and jeb bush's big advantage at the beginning of this race was all in the funding that he had. and now we've had this week ken griffin, a billionaire hedge funder in chicago endorsing rubio, paul singer before him. art pope down in north carolina. big gop donor. >> right. >> so there has been this sudden -- i spend my days interviewing the wealthy. there has been this sudden coalescing by the wealthy among rubio. >> mika. isn't it interesting that hillary clinton is sitting at 34% to marco rubio's 14% but she is actually trying to deliver the message for the middle class. look at the zpemt independent
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voters, her support among democratic millionaires, 76%. >> what do you make of that? what did you all fine? >> it's not surprising that bernie sanders is not going to take a lot of headway with this group, right? but she hasn't lost support among this group. and then independence, she is still if number one choice. so she is still polling really heavy at the top. >> is jeb bush the john conley of this period, spending $30 '02 million. >> up to $50 million. >> do you see that disproportion? >> what's going to be interesting is that what we know about welcome is that wealth follows wealth. you get the big headliner billionaires saying look we are going to shift our fire hose of money to this guy. a lot of wealthy people then follow that. and i think that's what's going to really hurt jeb bush. >> anything missing from this list, interesting, may be too early in the process, chris
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christiety. >> way down on the bottom. >> he is doing well now in new hampshire, making a move, but still, no move among millionaires. >> he has got a couple of big billionaire backers, ken langon really likes him. he hasn't broken into -- it is the 8%. not the 1%. he hasn't broken through to the top wealthy donor. the money race is going to matter here. >> what issue is most important to millionaires? >> this is interesting. it's split. one of the things we are surprised with with the whole survey, your political affiliation matters more than your wealth in terms of how you see the world and political candidates. among all millionaires the top issue not surprisingly is government and tax policy. if you split it by party it is stark. the republican millionaires say it's all about spending and taxes. the democratic millionaires say it's all about gridlock. and so you know, what we see, issue by issue, is that whether you are republican or democrat, that matters more than your wealth level.
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and we cut these whether you are worth $5 million, $10 million. we slice these at different wealth levels to see does the amount of wealth change how you see the world? it's all about your party affiliation shows your attitudes toward the economy, investing, candidates. just about everything is viewed through that lens. >> it's not all about money. the number three issue, foreign policy and terrorism. >> and we should say this was taken before san bernardino. we'll see how this shakes up next time around. >> cnbc wealth editor, and if i were to describe a wealth editor, it would be robert frank. >> it's one of the best jobs in the world. >> not bad. thank you very much for coming on and sharing. >> appreciate it. coming up the first lady of new york city, chirlane mccray joins the set. she is tackling an issue that hits close to home for all of us. you are watching "morning joe."
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40 past the hour. joining us now, the first lady of new york city, chirlane mccray. she and her husband have launched thrive nyc an initiative to treat new yorkers suffering with mental illness. you are on the cutting edge of kind of a key issue that's always in the conversation usually when we are talking about the prevalence of gun violence in this country? >> absolutely. absolutely. and in so many other issues as well. education. i mean, there is no bigger obstacle to success than to have a mental health problem, right? >> and the numbers are stark n. new york city, you say one in five new yorkers suffer from mental illness? >> that's right. in any given year, one in five. and that's a lot of people. and it's more common than heart disease, loung lung disease, and cancer all combined. so this is something we really need to talk about.
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but there is a huge stigma. the taboo, the way people look at it, weakness of character, lack of will and that's just wrong. >> so reducing the stigma is talking about it. it's in your family, it's in my family. it's in most of our families. >> almost everybody. >> every family, every neighborhood, every community. >> new york city. what thrive nyc hopes to do. first of all, does it have the funding it needs? and secondly give us a sense of where it begins. you say it starts with changing the culture? >> yes, it starts with changing people's mind. changing the way they think about mental health. we need to kmapg the mind-set around the mind. and we have to provide services for people. >> and when you are talking about changing the mind-set that really does start with talking about it. >> exactly. >> admitting it is a problem and admitting there shouldn't be a stigma attached to it. >> exactly right. we have to encourage people to tell their stories. that's why i talked about my
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story, with my parents, with our daughter. when people talk about their personal stories it makes other people feel more comfortable with opening up. >> now the part that's hard, and that's funding for not only just being able to get people to act early, but to close the treatment gaps and to get communities to work together. >> if only you knew somebody at city hall -- >> you know, so you could maybe get something done. >> right, right. but we're putting nearly a billion dollars into this evident. >> wow, really? >> there are 54 initiatives in thrive. they 119 pages outline some very comprehensive services. and delivered in a different way than what has been traditional. >> like what? what kinds of services? what seems different? >> for example, we want to train teachers and caregivers in social/emotional training. we have young children that go into the classroom and with trauma, right, with conduct
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disorders. and we punish them for. that that's so wrong. we want to get at the root of the problem, teach teachers how to handle these issues, how to handle these children, teach them coping skishlgs resilience, impulse control. we can do this. we have the tools, we haven't been using them. >> john myrtle beachham. >> what's the role of psychopharmacology in this there this. >> good question. >> to what extent -- we read stories that children are overprescribed for various medications. >> and some are under. >> some are under where do you think the balance on the spectrum is. >> it's different for every individual. there is a role for psychopharmacology, but there is a role for counselling and exercise and all kinds of other alternative treatments which we don't talk enough about. >> and let's stick to the teachers and school systems. you are right. exercise, some might say that sounds flip. it actually is a huge --
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>> makes a big difference. >> result for some kids dealing with certain disorders before you get to medicine. and exercise is an issue in a lot of schools. they don't get enough of it. >> that's right. >> their teams or organized -- >> we are setting them up for problems. >> for problems to brew and explode. >> we know about that from diabetes, we encourage people to eat healthier and exercise and we have been able to bring those numbers down. this is a physical disease, mental illness, just like diabetes, just like hiv and we need to take preventive measures. >> and these factors all work together, diet and exercise and sometimes they are dealt with separately as issues. >> talk about the importance of acting early. because we are actually finding out even in something as vexing as autism that getting engaged early with a child that shows signs of autism makes a huge difference. >> absolutely.
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>> later in life. >> absolutely. no. we want to act as early as possible. that's why we are screening women who are pregnant and women who are new mothers for maternal depression. it really doesn't get earlier than that. because if a or a parent does not attach to the child in the earliest days, that sets up a child for life long problems. life long consequences that are very difficult to reverse. it is easier to grow a healthy child than to mend a broken adult. so maternal depression, social/emotional training, and the schools they are really key to our sec cess. >> what about working on the law enforcement level? is there any connection here with the police department? >> oh, yes. yes. police who have encounters with mentally ill people, i mean that's a challenge for them. it's very, very difficult. we are actually training police to deal with the mentally ill. we know that -- well, a few things. one, that people who are shot by
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police, you know, i think it's 16 times more often because police don't know how to handle people who acting in an erratic fashion, an unpredictable way. >> it's hard to translate the language of -- >> yes, it is. >> mental illness. >> but there is training available. we are actually going to train a quarter of a million new yorkers in mental health first aid, just like first aid training we all know how to stop bleeding. this training for people dealing with mental illness. and we want people to understand the signs and the symptoms and learn how to respond them a mental illness emergency and be able to provide support services. >> wow. as first lady, you take on the small issues. just like, you know, do the easter eggs and stuff like that, right? no. mental health. chirlane mccray thank you very much very much. we'll be right back.
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really plays right into the hands of the terrorists. and i don't say that lightly. about it does. he is giving them a great propaganda tool, a way to recruit more folks from europe and the united states. and because it's kind of crossed that line, i think everybody, and especially other republicans, need to stand up and really say, enough, you've gone too far. that's not who we are. that's not the kind of country that we believe we are. and we're just not going to tolerate it. >> exactly. that was democratic front-runner hillary clinton talking about donald trump on late night with seth myers. clinton is set to outline heron own counterterrorism strategy next week. her campaign says it will focus on combatting domestic radicalization. meanwhile the senate judiciary committee has considered trump's ban. he offed the sense of the senate
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amendment to put the opinion of the body on the record. >> this is a sense of the senate that the united states must not bar individuals from entering into the united states based on their religion. as such action be contrary to the dpund principles on which this nation was founded. >> while nine democrats and seven republicans, including chairman chuck grassley and lindsy graham voted for the amendment four republicans voted no, including presidential candidate ted cruz, who is office called the amendment nothing more than a political stunt. just keep those pictures up there. i think that's interesting. but okay. >> other story -- what's that, john. >> there are two mepgs of religion in the constitution of the united states, one is the date, in the year of our lord, and the other is no federal religion tests for office. one of our great gifts to western civilization is liberty
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of bush land. >> a bushism. >> what did you learn today, joe. >> a learned an awful lot. i learned that donald was fed up with us and tuned us out that we are nonsensical. what did you learn about? >> i learned about the book signing today. imgoing to get in line. i hope they let me in. >> john what did you learn? >> i learned that trump is not happy with you which is probably not a bad place today going into the weekend. >> it's way too early. what what time is it. >> we want to thank everybody who has been with us. thank all the people that work with us around here, 87,000 people, thank you for that count. thank you for watching. if it's way too early, that's "morning joe." >> "msnbc live" is up next. have a great weekend. good morning to you, from washington, d.c. i'm jose deese blalt. first up this morning it is a
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poll palooza. we have several new polls about the 2016 republican race, including our nbc news poll. gauging reaction to donald trump's incendiary proposal to ban muslims from entering the united states. a new poll out just a couple hours ago shows trumped plan isn't hurting him among new hampshire pollsters. last night in new hampshire trump picked up the endorsement from the new england police benevolent association and made no apology for his proposal to block muslims from entering the united states. >> we have got to get down to the problems. we can't worry about being politically connect. we can't afford anymore to be so politically correct. >> when it comes to truch's muslim ban, our nbc news wall street journal poll fds


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