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way he moves his shoulders. it's the trump attack. >> we'll see about cruz because cruz is somebody who continues to want to suck up to him and usually is softer. thank you all. we will all be back at some point. we will be back monday with more. if it's sunday it's meet the press. marco rubio and then some. we will have more from the wall street journal poll. erica hill picks up our coverage right now. tonight on msnbc live, donald trump gets high marks in yet another new poll taken after his proposal to ban muslims from entering the country. the daughter of mohammed ali joins us more on her thoughts. we are live in san bernardino where divers continue their search. a rough end to the week on wall street with more turbulent times loikly ahead.
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where is winter. record setting warmth on the way for this mid december weekend. and good evening from new york i'm erica hill. we begin with donald trump and the politics of fear. a new poll finds trump rising in the race for president. could the fear of terrorism be giving him a boost? a majority of likely republican primary voters said trump was well equipped to respond to a terrorist threat. senator ted cruz comes in second on that question behind trump. the findings come as sparks begin to fly between the two gop presidential candidates. first cruz questioned the judgment of trump and ben carson. >> who am i comfortable having their finger on the button? that's a question of strength and also a question of judgment.
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and i think that is a question that is a challenging question for both of them. >> trump responded on twitter writing looks like ted cruz is getting ready to attack. i am leading by so much he must, i hope so, he will fall like all others. will be easy. today cruz is backing away from his comments blaming the media saying the establishment's only hope trump and me in a cage match. sorry to disappoint, donald trump is terrific. trump meantime continues to talk fear and terrorism on the trail. leading us off is nbc news correspondent hallie jackson. >> good evening. lots of fireworks between donald trump and ted cruz today. and it is interesting because we talked about the tweet from ted cruz in which he said the establishment's only hope is the cage match. if trump and cruz go at it it opens up space for others, the
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marco rubios, et cetera to potentially get momentum if trump and cruz end up going to war as everyone is talking about. it's not my sense in particular that you see much of an appetite from the cruz team to do this for a couple of reasons. number one, ted cruz this entire campaign has been not going after trump because he if trump does fall wants the supporters to come to him. it is something he talked about regularly. at this point he is pretty open about it. you heard him in the opening saying the strategy has been to bear hug trump, smother him and ben carson with love. the other part of it is turning on trump then opens you up to attacks and that is something donald trump can be very effective at. >> we have got to get down to the problems. we can't worry about being politically correct. we just can't afford anymore to be so politically correct.
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trump's supporters loving his lack of political correctness and part of that is when trump sort of takes aim at the other candidates whether calling jeb bush low energy or ben carson. people seem to respond to it. >> that they do. hallie jackson for us tonight. want to bring in university of texas professor and msnbc contributor and chief investigative reporter. nice to have you with us tonight. we i feel have been talking so much about this politics of fear, the notion of the politics of fear. there are interesting numbers. a month ago 4% saw terrorism as most important threat. today that is 19%. we know in the cbs poll 44% of the public say an attack is very likely to happen in the next few months. that's the highest we have seen since just after 9/11. not a surprise that politicians
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would be talking about fears. why do you think donald trump is seeing the biggest boost in response? >> he is the one that most understands how emotions drive politics. for better or for worse emotions drive us to what we focus on and how we act. there is a long time between now and the election. if the threat of terror dies down his fear, his targeting of fear may not be as effective. if we see another attack here in the united states and he is able to keep up that fear factor, i think this is where we are going to see him be extremely strong and build on that momentum. let's not forget president george w. bush was able to win the tough fight based on fear. >> lindsey graham speaking out, as well. >> i want to listen to what he had to say. >> about 40% of republican primary voters believe obama was born in kenya and is a muslim.
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>> so there is that emotion of fear which victoria mentioned but then there is also the raw emotion and the fact that often times donald trump is saying things that no one actually says out loud certainly not in the political realm. now he is saying them. is it more a matter of just connecting with voters who have felt so left out for so long on that level? >> there is certainly some of that in that poll we saw that leadership was by far the most important attribute that 4 in 10 voters named trumping things, no pun intended like honesty, integrity, cares about people like me. there is irony in that areas that most folks clear to be craving leadership is national security, foreign policy, area wheres trump is among least prepared candidates. you would think if voters were
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craving leadership on foreign policy you would have someone like marco rubio or john kasich who served in congress dealt with some of the issues. trump has never dealt with them but gets to what you are talking about, about raw emotion, identification with the voters taking precedence over things we traditionally evaluate as preparedness for holding a high office of president. >> how long does it sustain? there is a certain point at which we talk about experience and how situations would be handled. will that ever end up mattering to this segment of voters? >> i think this week we saw ted cruz try to drive in that wedge in those comments where he said i don't know if donald trump is fit to be commander in chief. in iowa he came out with an ad where he poses himself as presidential highlighting his experience. i think what cruz is going to do is highlight i can be that
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commander in chief and i can take care of your fear emotions. marco rubio, jeb bush, kasich are going to try to do the same thing. right now ted cruz has hit the sweet spot. >> what the republicans are most concerned about is that when that will happen when voters start paying attention to the more traditional criteria upon which they evaluate presidential candidates won't be until after donald trump secured the nomination and going into nomination most likely against hillary clinton. most voters, even though who consider themselves swing voters would end up siding with hillary clinton and say she is better prepared to be president than donald trump. >> you say when he wins the nomination. are you thinking it will be donald trump? >> they fear it. the establishment republicans fear that that criteria won't become one that voters look at until he wins the nomination. that is why you hear the talk about the potential of a brokered convention which is where the party might have a
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chance to under cut what appears to be his momentum. >> how many people who are so vocal about their support for donald trump are actually going to come out to vote? if we see donald trump start to slip perhaps in the iowa caucuses in the early contest there does that change things? >> it does. right now we don't know who is going to vote. we have seen in a couple of past elections that polls are flat out wrong. iowa and new hampshire are going to be critical in deciding whether those supporters that are vocal are going to carry him on and whether his rhetoric will carry him on. that is the question, who is voting? >> which is what everybody wants to know. in terms of turnout, what could we see especially in iowa? >> the polls have shown that folks who are most in support of donald trump are folks who are grabbing on to an outsider
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anti-establishment position, folks disengaged from politics in many situations. whether that converts into turning out particularly in caucus states where the organization is so important is really the critical question for donald trump and his rivals. >> you can make the argument that this has fundamentally changed politics in this country. is there another candidate who can do that who doesn't have the celebrity that donald trump because people have known the name trump in this country for decades? >> certainly there have been candidates that tapped in in the past. barack obama did it in 2008 and that was seen as changing the way that the tactics and the playing field on which elections were fought. what we are seeing with donald trump is different in that he hasn't built a type of organization and done the types of things that we traditionally think are necessary for somebody
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to have a viable sustained presidential campaign campaign. he hasn't spent that much money and he has raised a lot of the money he has spent has been from donors. when push comes to shove some infrastructure dud require serious money and we'll see if he is willing to spend his own money or willing to accept a lot of money from donors and whether that under cuts his positioning of himself as the candidate who cannot be bought. >> this is his brand in saying i cannot be bought. he has tried to go to other candidates and goes against jeb bush. i completely agree with ken. when push comes to shove is he going to put the money on the table and is it going to be his money? if we see his money on the table we know he is in it for the long haul. >> nice to have you both with us tonight. thank you both. coming up here on msnbc
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live, a billionaire investor calls donald trump a disgrace and calls on him to drop out of the presidential race. separately, we are joined tonight by the daughter of famed boxer and muslim mohammed ali. his father spoken about trump's plan. how could the feds have been caught off guard by the san bernardino attacks? members of congress demanding answers and getting them. the comments of supreme court justice that have crying foul. tonight you hear those comments for yourself. that people really like how with directv you could put tvs anywhere and not see cable wires and boxes in every room. why can't we get people to just say cables, schmables? hold on, hold on, i really like what you're doing there because if we just add "schma" in front of something, it just doesn't seem like a big deal. boxes, schmoxes. there you go. cold sore, cold schmore. yes! scotch, schmotch! what? i'll take some of that schmotch! alright. schmank you! (vo) get rid of cable and upgrade to directv.
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the reaction to donald trump's proposed ban on muslims entering this country has continued throughout the week. nba legend talked about how dangerous trump's rhetoric is. >> although mr. trump isn't committing the violence, when the violence happens he exploits it. so instead of offering practical and realistic solutions he is exploiting people's fear and he is doing isis's work for them. >> in a statement to nbc news boxing legend ali said i'm a
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muslim and there is nothing islamic about killing innocent people in paris, san bernardino or anywhere else in the world. true muslims know that ruthless violence goes against the tenants of our religion. >> thanks for having me. >> i have to ask first of all, we heard from your father, what is your reaction to what we have heard not only to donald trump but others out there? >> i think it is getting completely out of control. what i do think that we are pleased with my dad's statement. it exuberates everything about his core values, his system of belief. my dad has always had strong conviction as an ambassador of peace himself. i feel that my dad in the things he has done for the world, he has been generous, sends out love to people. his generosity is unmatched.
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that is why i think he is one of the most well respected muslims on the planet because of his kindness and generosity and love to others. when my dad came out with this statement i thought that he wanted to really talk to a lot of the political leaders out there and whoever has a public platform. he was talking to everyone. i think all those people have a social responsibility. and i think their responsibility is to -- the words that you use is very important because you are talking to the world. people are on edge. they are afraid. i think that a lot of these leaders are becoming very irresponsible with their words and their dangerous rhetoric. i feel that dangerous rhetoric does promote hate, anger, fear. i think that is not what we need in this country. i think what we need is peace and we should come together as a nation to try to combat
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terrorism and not divide us apart the way it is going right now. >> your father told us we as muslims have to stand up to those who use islam to advance their own personal agenda. they alienated many. true muslims know it goes against our religion. the message needs to be different but how do you stand up effectively to some of this heated rhetoric that we are hearing? >> i think it's not a simple solution but that was directing to our jihaddests who are claiming to be muslim and doing horrible things in the name of islam which is completely against our religion. islam means peace. it is a religion of peace. and when you do things that is counter against that peace you're not really following your faith. i think that is what he meant by that. and the really -- i think dad
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started when he came out with that statement being a man of peace and a muslim for his whole life. i think he kind of started generating getting other muslims coming on board, those who are really practicing and doing the right things to come forward and make statements. i have seen it muslims from all over the world coming and making statements and this is not us and not what we do. i think dad coming out with that statement is kind of giving muslims courage to come forward and say things. i think we need to have a bigger dialogue and talk a little bit more about really coming together as a people and not dividing us apart. >> you talk about having the courage to come forward and to talk more. we have spoken at length over the last few weeks with a number of different muslim americans about how they are handling things in the wake of the paris attacks and the comments from donald trump. earlier this week and that is one thing i heard from a number of them that that actively as a
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community muslims need to change the narrative and step out there. we do hear of increased incidents of attacks, of hate crimes. how do you balance the two? what is the best way? it's not a simple answer. >> i think it starts with the courage to come out and educate. i go to a mosque. i'll be honest with you i'm afraid to go into the mosque because i don't know what people are going to do. i don't know if people think that we as muslims are terrorists and try to bomb our mosque. so muslims are living in fear. really, it really is not -- we are going down a really dark path. i really think i wish i had a solution. i think it starts with these political leaders who have influence, who have a station, who have power. and i think it starts with them. i think they can really do a lot with their voice. i think they need to step up because they have a huge responsibility and need to own up to it.
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they can start this conversation going so that there is less hate crimes at least moving forward into the political arena. >> we did hear a fair amount of response this week. you think they need to step up. what more do you want to hear? is it the political candidates, president, lawmakers? >> i think it is everyone. one of those things where the agenda, the dangerous rhetoric that is coming out is not affecting just muslims. it is affecting everyone. it is making people afraid. it is making them hate. and it is affecting really all of us. it is a village that we need to stand together. really it starts with people who have a voice. when you have a political platform to stand upon and you have power you need to come forward and state the fact. islam is a peaceful religion. not all muslims are terrorists. it is preposterous to say that. you have to say that. there is a lot of ignorant
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leaders that are stating facts they don't know. they are stating things that really are making people angry at muslims. it doesn't really make sense. i think it takes a village and we all are responsible for what is going on right now in our country. >> pleasure to have you with us. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. still to come, it is day two oft search for answers in a san bernardino lake. what the fbi may be looking for and whether they could find it sometime soon. it is night six for hanukkah. two weeks until christmas. many areas of the country are going to be seeing temperatures 30 degrees above normal this weekend. the ice will still be frozen here at 30 rock. we will update your rather bizarre holiday forecast just ahead.
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house where these two killers were living and for a variety of reasons didn't want to take the opportunity to bring that to the attention of law enforcement. and i think it should be made very plain to people that we are in an environment where it is very advisable if you see something that doesn't look right, if you see something suspicious you should report it to law enforcement. >> members of the house of representatives who got a classified briefing from fbi director have concluded there was nothing about the san bernardino attackers, syed farook and tashfeen malik that would have tipped off law enforcement that they were a threat. their neighbor bought the assault rifles used in the shooting for farook but never told law enforcement. the fbi is investigating marquez's connection to the
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attacks. today he checked into a mental hospital. one neighbor had this to say about the men. >> they seemed just like friends. i knew they were close. they would go to each other's houses. they had a common interest on working on cars. >> nbc is live for us in san bernardino at the site of the lake they have been searching for a second day. >> new details and new questions today here in san bernardino. you can see fbi investigators and divers combing through this lake. they have been here for hours looking for any piece of evidence that they can find that would link them to the attackers. from the evidence they have recovered it appears the attackers had been planning a larger scale attack for quite some time now. speaking of other attacks in 2012 it appears fbi investigators who have been questions enrique marquez and sold him two of the five guns
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tonight scheduled. she was 8 years old when she came to the united states. she died a year before she was set to be married. >> so important to remember the victims. thanks. up next, new fallout from controversial comments by supreme court justice scalia. hear what he had to say about black college students and affirmative action. this holiday, i can count on my going off list.again, and knowing right when my packages arrive. so that's two things. introducing real time delivery notifications. sign up at myusps.com
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opposed to having them go to a less advanced school, a slower track school where they do well. one of the briefs pointed out that most of the black scientists in this country don't come from schools like the university of texas. so this court from lesser schools where they do not feel they are pushed ahead in classes that are too fast for them. >> npr's legal affairs correspondent in the courtroom on wednesday. good to have you with us. >> thanks very much. >> walk us through all of this. we initially had basically parts of a transcript. then we got the audio. has this changed anything in terms of perception from what you have seen? >> we get the audio from the arguments at the end of every week. that is what the court has decided to do instead of same
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day release of audio except in the rarest of cases. it is posted regularly every friday afternoon. >> there was a lot of outrage. people were very upset at the comments. we should point out things do work differently in the supreme court than they do in a courtroom we see on television or a courtroom we may have sat in for jury duty. walk us through how the arguments happen and how the justices conduct business. >> well, the justices very often jab at people. they prick at people trying to find the soft points in their arguments. having said that, this is what you heard was a discussion about a theory that has been popularized recently by some conservative social scientists who have the idea that they put
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forward that minorities would do better if there was no affirmative action, if they went to secondary schools, did well, got self confidence and could move up to the most elite schools perhaps in later years. there are lots of other social scientists say that doesn't hold water, that people in the most elite schools, minorities in most elite schools do extremely well, graduate in high numbers and if you look at the rates of graduation in the top 15 or so schools in the country, the most elite schools they are high for african-americans as they are for white students. >> it's a debate, at least. >> it is a debate. and justice scalia is known for pushing lawyers to defend their position in the courtroom. what is the impact of comments like this moving forward?
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>> well, you have to be -- stupid not to say that he put it inartfully. i'm sure that in his quieter moments he would say to himself why didn't i say that for everybody? why did i say that about african-americans? it might be true for everybody that some people would be -- when you are a supreme court justice -- there were people who rolled their eyes in the courtroom. the "new york times" said there were quiet gasps. i didn't hear any quiet gasps. maybe i'm deaf but i didn't hear them. i did see people roll their eyes. i think it is a newsworthy story but it is also a bit the way the
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cookie crumbles and the way human beings are. they are not perfect. >> the way the cookie crumbles in terms of this is the way things function in the supreme court or the way justice scalia functions? which cookie? >> you could take a lot of questions and make them seem pretty snippy. this one was particularly inartfully put. and justice scalia likes to be in people's faces. that's sort of his style. and in that sense it is the way the cookie crumbles with him. but i'm sure that he would rather not have put it that way seeing how people have interpreted it. >> it is certainly getting plenty of attention both before and after the audio was released. appreciate you joining us tonight. thank you. special council for the naacp legal defense fund. she was there on wednesday to
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hear justice scalia's remarks in person. good to have you with us tonight. how would you characterize it? >> thank you for having me. it was inartful. i think the comments stung a bit particularly i felt concern for my clients who are black students who are thriving and about to graduate from the university of texas who are highly qualified and do not need a slower track or lesser university to attend. so i think for them i felt stung for them but what i also heard was a good argument. justice scalia is one of nine. what i didn't hear was evidence to refute that the university of texas has done an excellent job and made a good faith effort to ensure diversity which is a compelling interest that the court has approved and something
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universities can pursue. >> there seems to be a fair amount of misconception when it comes to affirmative action, how it works, how much of a factor it is for admissions. can you clear some of that up for us? it is not -- let me let you say it. >> thank you. so at the university of texas it is a holistic review which means as with most universities in the country where an individual is judged on all academic credentials. race is earn considered by the university of texas of a factor of a factor of a factor of a factor. it is included in with a full range of individual characteristics to ensure the university can create the most diverse student body possible and prepare leaders for the
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future and make sure it is a pathway to leadership. it is a flagship state university and this is really important that that opportunity is open to all students that they are able to put forth the most diverse student body to create and prepare us for the future. >> you said you heard a great argument in the courtroom. there has been a lot of pushback here, the evident bias is troubling. as we look at what might happen with this ruling, it brings up the question of whether or not affirmative action, do we need to look at it in 2015? does it need to be applied the same way in 2015 as it was even ten years ago? >> i think what was said in the courtroom and it is something we put forth in our briefs and many others as well that this is not the moment to roll back the progress that we have made. as america deals with many of the challenging conversations and issues regarding race that our universities are the place
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where we should be bringing the most diverse group of students together to learn from each other, to benefit from the diversity that they experience to be able to prepare us to resolve many issues. i think this is the time to really have diversity be a major priority for universities and one that this would not be the moment to have a rollback of the progress that has been made but to move forward. >> appreciate you joining us tonight. >> thank you so much for having me. when we return millions of americans are watching their 401 ks after a major sell off on wall street and roller coaster ride may get rockier. it is the end of an era at the "today" show. we'll explain. we live in a world of mobile technology, but it is not the device that is mobile, it is you. real madrid have about 450 million fans.
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this is humira at work eight months after protests tore through the city of baltimore msnbc is taking an in depth look at the state of the city today. all in with chris hayes goes back to baltimore. >> cell phone video shows the moments after -- >> seen on the ground. >> family lawyer says the man spying -- >> the suspect would end up with a severed spine and later die. >> residents of baltimore took to the streets over the death of a man named freddie gray but days of peaceful protests eventually gave way to destruction. the cameras came in and america watched a city in chaos. >> i don't have words for it.
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>> stop the violence, please! >> this is the story of what happened after the cameras left. >> the majority of the people that were protesting are still in the same predicament they were in. >> went back and spoke to residents assessing the damage. >> it's that we are tired. >> police force under the gun. >> i think people are angry and it is not just with the police. >> and a city in the midst of an enduring crisis. >> to make us hold up the mirror and look at ourselves. >> as the trials for the police officers charged in connection with freddie gray's death begin, a city with a troubled past -- >> and an uncertain future. >> how do we break the cycle? >> finds itself at a cross roads. >> we are at a very significant point in the life of this city. >> tonight all in with back to
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baltimore. >> chris hayes, host of all in here on msnbc is with us now. what surprised you the most over the last eight months as you continue to spend time there? >> one thing is the conversation that has happened in the city. the level of political tumult. you have the mayor of the city. her father is a politician. she comes from a political family. she was touted as a rising star. she was the chair of a mayoral thing. you have this wide open race that will have eight or ten candidates. there is this real opening in the politics of the city. the other thing that surprised me was listening to people theorize about the spike in violence that has happened since april. baltimore just set a perecord f homicides. some statisticians say i think this was a bubble. you talk to folks there and
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particularly folks in the community and they say there is some kind of unleashing of frustration that continued after freddie gray that manifest in the level of violence. other folks say police pulling back and scared about doing their job or being video taped. you have the conversation against the back drop of the spike in violence and the political leadership vacuum that makes the city feel really unstable or at a moment. >> does it make it hard to get anything done? >> i think there is opportunity. the other thing that has been hanging over all these conversations is the trials which have started there is a lot of anxiety about what is going to happen. i think there is momentum and organizing happening on the
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ground for a better future for baltimore which has had a lot of things good happen to it. the complaint of folks on the west side of baltimore is that they have not seen any of that and there isologi also a feelint everyone sort of scratched their chin about the people and thaen everyone left and then a transportation project cancelled. there is a feeling in baltimore that a little bit of they are on their own. i think there is still a lot of anger. >> what is interesting is that this pulled back the curtain on what has been a long time systemic problem. >> elijah cummings told me his first experience with the police
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in baltimore as a kid was them coming through the alley -- and the same congressman told me to this day i do not get in my car if i have a tail light out because i will be pulled over. people talk about we are building trust. that trust was never there. i got to interview -- she has a tough job. she is a fascinating woman. people should watch that interview because she is a fist ka sophisticated interesting speaker. >> the national journal putting out writing in light of the race for open senate seat after three decades baltimore's significance
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in 2016 has a major impact. >> when you include elijah cummings in that polling he is not running for senate. he is up by 20 points. someone i know says he feels like he can't abandon baltimore. the city needs to see him there. that means not having someone at the federal level advocating for the city. >> do you envision is there one area you can point to in about 30 seconds where you can see change happening? >> you can't under estimate. we talk about what happens in our neighborhood. don't under estimate the level of political sophistication of the people who live in west baltimore. the amount they are paying attention to what the legislature does. that to me is a source of hope.
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>> have a great weekend. be sure to watch this special tonight on msnbc at 9 p.m. thanks for watching msnbc live. i'll see you back here monday and tomorrow morning on "today." "hardball" starts right now. let's play "hardball." good evening. a brand new reuters online poll gives us the big headline of the week tonight after the sound and fury over donald trump's proposal to stop muslim visitors at the international airport the billionaire builder holds his commanding lead. but there is another

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