Citizen Trump With Chris Matthews MSNBC December 22, 2015 11:00pm-12:01am PST
♪ and shameful american tradition. every so often, like a fever, anti-immigrant feeling arises. >> i have -- >> excuse me, sit down. you weren't called. sit down. >> what you see is what you get. he's genuine. he's the real deal. >> he has tapped into a part of the electorate that is, i think, deeply angry about the state of
the economy. >> how stupid are the people of iowa? how stupid are the people of the country? to believe this crap? >> you
know, this guy is just saying what people are thinking. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states, until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> trump's statement is a dangerous proposal that overrides history, the law, and the foundation of america itself. >> you're pitting donald trump, full throttle, ready to destroy anyone who gets in his way. ♪ ♪ ♪
good evening. i'm chris matthews. i don't think this country's establishment politicians, the media, ever got this guy. they certainly underestimated him. not going anywhere. can't last. you know, with each week and each provocative statement, he held to his lead and went a bit further, saying president obama was foreign-born,
an illegitimate president. calling for a wall along our southern border. making fun of women's looks. talking down to a top latino journalist. saying thousands of muslims in new jersey had cheered 9/11. and each time the knockout verdict came out and certain. that's it. this guy's finished. and each time, the national public opinion polls said differently. well, then in the wake of the san bernardino shootings, trump called for a ban on all muslims entering the country. and while most people rejected the idea as un-american, trump fans held firm.
they like what he said. but what about the man himself? who is this guy so many people have told pollsters they want as our next president? what's he done to get where he is? what allows him to say things that would kill anyone else in public life? what's he got hold of? over the next hour, we'll look at the donald trump story as a whole. you'll see him as a young man, as a budding business tycoon, and as an entertainer. you'll see that the experts have been counting him out for decades. in the movie, "citizen kaine" orson welles plays the newspaper baron, foster kaine. trump told "the new york times," it was his all-time favorite movie. >> it's also my pleasure to see decent hard-working people in this community aren't robbed blind. >> trump the candidate echoed those sentiments for months in a roiling campaign. but in december, many believe he went too
far. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the
united states, until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> it played well with some of his supporters. >> okay, we are civilized people. these people, these -- with their beliefs -- are not civilized. and we can't change them. they're not willing to change. >> but many in his own party criticized him. the white house spokesman says it disqualified him from the presidency. and experts questioned its feasibility whether it's the right way to fight terrorism. >> he's hurting the best tool that law enforcement and people in both parties believe we have to fight terrorism, which is the help of the muslim american community. and this hurts us abroad, too. >> as he had with his campaign kickoff, it once again displayed trump's readiness to conquer by dividing. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're sending people that have
lots of problems.
and they're bringing those problems with us. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime, they're rapists. and some, i assume, are good people. >> no one was really focusing on immigration policy. and then, suddenly, it is the issue that america is obsessed with. >> trump is acting in a very old and shameful american tradition. it goes back to the 1850s, when there was a party that had the name know nothing. and it was an anti-catholic, anti-immigrant political party. it didn't last that long, was then, every so often, like a fever, anti-immigrant feeling arises. he has tapped into a part of the electorate that is, i think, deeply angry about the state of the economy. it's a group of people who are still suffering from the downturn in 2007 and 2008.
>> as trump's numbers rose in a crowded field -- >> no, no, no! >> -- the hispanic population reacted with anger. >> on june 26th, 2015, univision canceled its broadcast of trump's miss universe pageant. nbc then announced it would not air the miss universe or the miss usa pageants and macy's removed trump merchandise from its stores. but trump stayed resolute in his message. >> we are taking mexico's problems. mexico is beating us on trade and they're beating us at the border. but mexico doesn't want to take these people. >> controversy didn't seem to hurt him. by mid-july, he passed the great establishment hope jeb bush in the polls. he was finding his audience. >> hey, i like this guy. he's saying what we're saying in the pool hall, or, he's saying what we're saying around the coffee table in the morning. so he's tapped into something.
>> i think it is both a bit of populism, a bit of racism. it is also real. >> on july 11th, 5,000 people showed up for a trump rally in arizona, a state at the epicenter of the nation's battle over immigration reform. >> these are people that shouldn't have been in this country. they flow -- they flow in like water. >> he's playing on our aspirations to be rich, which most americans have. and he's playing on our disgust with politics as usual. and that's a pretty potent combination for him. in certain parts of the republican party. >> trump led in the polls by a wide margin, heading into the first republican debate, hosted by fox news on august 6th. >> you've called women you don't like "fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals." your twitter account -- >> only rosie o'donnell.
>> when he gave the line about rosie o'donnell and megyn, i think, was very surprised, that the audience didn't boo, but instead, they cheered. they laughed. they rallied. they were supportive. that changed everything. >> you once told a contestant on "celebrity apprentice," it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president? >> i think the big problem this country has is being politically correct. and honestly, megyn, if you don't like it, i'm sorry. i've been very nice to you, although i could probably maybe not be, based the on way you've treated me, but i wouldn't do that. >> she wanted to talk about whether he was sexist. he flipped this into a discussion of whether he's politically correct and what did he say. you know what, i'm not politically correct and if you don't like it, too bad. >> you know, there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever.
>> comments during a phone interview with cnn's don lemon got trump uninvited from a republican red state event. critics roared, but his poll numbers held strong. later in august, trump held a campaign rally in alabama. 30,000 people showed up. >> we're going to build a wall. >> and at a press conference in dubuque, iowa, univision anchor jorge ramos stood up to ask a question without being called on. >> mr. trump, i have a question about immigration. >> okay, who is next? >> mr. trump -- >> excuse me, sit down. you weren't called. sit down. >> again, exactly what we've been waiting for. people did not fly all the way to dubuque to listen to you read from your little speech, and that's exactly what jorge ramos was doing. he was reading from a speech. trump had him thrown out. it was great. then trump invited him back in and took his question. >> yes, good. absolutely. good. absolutely. good to have you back.
>> thank you very much. >> okay. >> there's an illusion in the american press that we cherish what we do. i've got news for you, if they've got somebody who's going to give him a black eye, trump knew what he was doing. >> with the jorge ramos confrontation worked well with his base. that represented why it is very possible for trump to win the nomination, but impossible for him to win the election. any republican candidate needs to get at least 40% of the latino vote to have a chance, electorally. >> the more controversy, the higher his numbers went. the more people criticized him, the higher the numbers within the. the more provocative he was, the higher his numbers went. donald trump knew exactly what he was doing. he was strategic, he was brilliant. and it was the summer of trump. >> i would vote for donald trump.
definitely. this is very new. this is the equivalent of obama new, you know what i mean? first black president, first interesting president. >> now, suddenly, the summer of trump is becoming the autumn of trump. trump's not going down. he's going up. >> when "citizen trump" continues -- >> i joke and i say, there's only one rogue in every family. donald's the rogue. he's a pretty good rogue. new charmin ultra strong, dude. cleans so well it keeps your underwear cleaner. (secretly) so clean you could wear them a second day. tell me i did not just hear that! (sheepishly) i said you could not that you would! new charmin ultra strong with its washcloth-like texture, helps clean better than the leading flat-textured bargain brand. it's 4 times stronger, and you can use up to 4 times less. it cleans better. you should try it, "skidz." we all go. why not enjoy the go with charmin?
donald trump was born in queens, new york, in 1946. he's the second son of fred and mary trump. donald grew up with four brothers and sisters in this 23-room house that his father built. >> my father was a seven-day workers. he loved -- that was his hobby. he was a task master. he was, you know, a strong man
in business. but successful. >> my father would take me -- he used to call it the rounds. he would take me on the rounds. he would go around to construction sites. every penny counted. every penny in construction and every penny in rent. >> that was how they bonded as father and son. donald learned the business by following and shadowing his father from a very, very young age. >> during the 1940s and '50s, fred trump built housing in queens and brooklyn for returning veterans. and soon he owned 39 apartment complexes throughout the city and was a multi-millionaire. >> i think the important thing about fred trump is he gives the lie to the idea that donald trump is somehow some kind of self-made man. >> friends and family say that trump was a tough-to-handle teenager. >> he was wild. he was incorrigible. he was difficult. >> i joke and i say, there's only one rogue in every family.
and donald's the rogue. he's a pretty good rogue. >> he was a brat. >> you know, after enough of this kind of misbehaving and not following the rules, his dad packed him up and sent him away to military school. and he actually says it's the best thing that happened to him. he really did need the discipline. >> i loved it. it was terrific training. it was tough, but it was good. >> so he was tough to handle, had to be sent to the new york military academy. excellent. he's an alpha male. >> he's given a uniform and a belt with brass buckles that he's told to keep shiny and subjected to very intense discipline. >> those were days where it wasn't like today. i mean, they hit and they did whatever the hell they had to do. they were a tough lot. >> trump thrived at new york military academy. he was a star on the baseball team, was elected captain, and
led the honor guard in new york city's columbus day parade. during the summer, trump began working for his father. >> we used to have contests and he used to always respect the fact that i always had the record. i was able to have painted with two painters, six hallways in one day. we used spray. that's the all-time trump organization record. so it was great. at the time, that was like the greatest achievement of my life. >> trump graduated in 1964 and went to fordham university for two years before transferring to the wharton school of the university of pennsylvania. he graduated in 1968 and after all his military training, a medical deferment makes him ineligible for the vietnam draft. trump went to work for his successful father, fred, but the boroughs of brooklyn and queens were not enough for him. he'll take manhattan. >> from the time i was very young, i've been fascinating with the new york skyline. >> coming up, trump moves across the river to manhattan and the new york real estate business
when i graduated from college, i went to work with my father, and he built housing in brooklyn and queens and it was dangerous stuff. you knock on the door and there would be bullet holes on the door, and i would say to the people, what are those holes? and he said, those are bullet holes for knocking on the door and collecting rent. >> as a kids from queens, manhattan was always the emerald city in the distance. a real beacon that drew him. >> in 1971, trump moved to his first apartment in manhattan, a studio in the upper east side. he was 24 years old and family and friends say he was enjoying himself. >> he always went to what he called the single bars and checked out the women. >> donald was a high flyer when it came to that. >> he joined some private clubs and that's where he rubbed shoulders with george steinbrenner and roy cone, the infamous lawyer and former mccarthy aide.
>> wherever i hear that people are failing to act on fbi information about communists -- >> he said, listen, i followed your career, and you're a bit crazy like i am and you stand up to the establishment. can i come see you? and i said, sure. >> cohn was one of trump's first really influential connections. >> he had no scruples, whatsoever. none. just get the deal done and do whatever it takes to get the deal done. so trump used him as his lawyer to go and cut deals. >> i think donald likes associating with people who are brass knuckle. tough characters, uncompromising characters. >> young trump's ambition was reflecd in his early business ventures. >> well, my first big deal in manhattan s probably the convon center. >> in 1973, trump w in the newspaper that the penn central rail yards were filing for bankruptcy. >> i got an option to the penn central land and was able to convince then governor kerry that this is the place to build
the convention center. >> trump did not build what becomes the jacob javits conventionenter, but he did make more than $1 million brokering part of the deal. in april of 1977, trump closed a more personal deal. he married czech model ivana velencheck. roy cohn drew up the prenup. >> the thing that first attracted me was her beauty. she was very beautiful and i liked her because she was also very solid. you know, everything very boom, boom, boom, very orderly. >> on new year's, 1977, the couple had the first of their three children, donald jr. trump set his sights on another troubled penn central property, the commodore hotel next to grand central station. he had to convince the bankruptcy overseers that he could make aeal with banks reluctant to invest in new york city real estate. >> donald told the penn central folks that they should meet him at city hall and he would introduce them.
>> in new york, real estate is about tax abatements. it's about making deals with political people. it's about zoning. and it's about getting the public, and especially the public officials, on your side. >> the penn central executives arrived at city hall, mayor beam invited them in. there was donald and the mayor said, what the trumps want, the trumps get in this town. >> they really didn't know what the future of new york city was. and that was both good and bad. it was good in that i was able to get tremendous tax advantages and tax abatements. it was bad in that it wasn't easy to get financing. >> after obtaining multi-million dollar tax abatements, trump received the necessary financing to develop what would become the grand hyatt hotel. >> people ask me, how come -- how is it that you got 40 years of tax abatement and i would always say, because i didn't ask for 50. >> i interviewed him when he was an unknown on the "today" show many years ago. >> you bought some prized properties at the bottom of the
new york market in the 1970s. >> yeah, i had a great faith in new york, primarily our purchases have been in new york. and about five years ago, new york was not considered very hot and cities in general weren't considered too hot. i so ethe inner cities as the wave of the future. >> trump was on the "today" show to talk about his next big project, the trump tower. >> they had beautiful bas relief carvings, and he just wrecked them. i said, how could you have done that? >> couldn't you have just saved chose scum curs? >> it would very, very dangerous to save them. they weighed two tons, about 15 feet high, about 2 1/2-feet thick, and if they would have fallen, people could have been very badly hurt and ill canned. >> he just ripped those out without any consideration for their historic value. and the people he had doing the demolition were illegal immigrants. >> in an interview with "the new york times," trump said he did not know they were undocumented workers on the site.
>> mr. trump, what's left in your life? you're 33 years old, you're worth all these money. you said you didn't say that you want to be worth $1 billion. >> no, i'm really not looking to make tremendous amounts of money. i'm looking to enjoy my life. and if that happens to go with it, that's fabulous. >> in 1981, there was heartbreak. his older brother, fred, an alcoholic, died. >> his brother was so young when he died, 42 years old, and his brother told him, donald, don't ever drink. don't ever get involved in alcohol. and that's why donald, to this day, has never had alcohol, never smoked. doesn't touch the stuff. >> a few weeks after the loss of his brother, a happy moment for the family. donald and ivana welcomed daughter ivanka. trump rode high in the 1980s, bought a yacht, an airline, a professional football team, and palm beach palace mar lago with 118 rooms, it is one of the largest homes in the nation. >> people of modest means look at that and they say, wow, if i were rich, that's how'd i want
to live. people love the way he lives, because he symbolizes the american success story. he symbolizes the way you'd live, the bling. coming up, winning and losing with donald trump. >> a major business magazine came out with a story, "everything he touches turns to gold." and i started to believe that myself. it's hard to find time to keep up on my shows.
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>> the '80s were very good years for trump. in 1982, he bough a prized piece of real estate along the new jersey boardwalk. he brought executives to the site and made it look like construction was well underway. >> i had every truck available in the area moving on that site. we had trucks going back and forth and working all over the place. they saw that action, they were immediately impressed and we made a deal like right then on the spot. >> in 1984, the same year hara's trump plaza opened, donald and ivana opened their third trial, eric. a year later, trump castle opened. >> beautiful, beautiful. >> they were cash cows. particularly trump plaza. it was the first casino that anybody driving into atlantic city hit when they arrived there. it was essentially a license to print money. >> closer to home, actually across the street from his home, the skating rink in central park
had been closed for years, since 1986. >> they had spent over $20 million over a seven-year period. and finally, i said, this is ridiculous. this thing shouldn't take years to build. and i was able to convince everybody to let me build it. >> donald is a gifted self-promoter, went out there and pitched this as, i got the project done, what the new york city government couldn't get done. >> i think you see the same instincts coming out now that you did with the wallman rink, with trump being frustrated at ow inept and useless government is and jumping in and saying, i'm going to fix this. >> across the street from the wallman rink, trump won a crowned jewel of new york in 1988. the plaza hotel, for $400 million. ivana was put in charge and spent millions more to renovate. >> is there anything you wouldn't support your man in?
>> oh, sure. oh, sure. i wouldn't support donald would be running around and fooling around, you know, and that i couldn't live with. >> in 1990, the tabloids were reporting that trump was doing just that with a young actress named marla maples. >> one headline, i think everybody remembers was, marla maples, best sex i ever had. >> marla denies ever saying that. but it's telling that the tabloids in new york would be so accustomeded to trump craziness that they'd run with it. >> divorce is a challenging and terrible thing for anyone. we'd see our parents on the cover of "the post" every morning walking to school. and they really -- i mean, i have to give them both credit. they did everything in their
power to, you know, help us through it. >> while the divorce proceedings plaid out in the tabloids, at the office, it was business as usual. michael jackson performed at the star-studded opening of atlantic city's trump taj mahal in 1990. >> there's never been anything like this built in this country. and i think that's why you see the huge crowds today and that's why you're going to see the huge crowds for many years to come. >> it was the most expensive casino ever built, costing more than $1 billion, most of it borrowed money. >> this was a time when borrowing money was easy. junk bonds were created and refined during the 1980s. >> every marquis purchase from the plaza hotel to the trump shuttle and later to the trump taj mahal, the construction of that and the purchase of that was all built on debt. >> i was taking things a little bit too for granted. a major business magazine came out with a story, everything he touches turns to gold, and i started to believe that myself. >> if you owe the bank a little, it owns you.
if you owe the bank a lot, you own the bank. and that's essentially what happens. >> i never worked so hard. convincing those banks to give me more money, so i could keep going, and ultimately get them paid back was one of the best deals i ever made. coming up, new opportunities and a new audience. >> his currency is not really real estate. it's the name, "trump." all: milk! milk! milk! milk! milk! okay! fun's over. aw. aw. ♪ thirsty? they said it would make me cool. they don't sound cool to me. guess not. you got to stick up for yourself, like with the name your price tool. people tell us their budget, not the other way around.
he does and every penny he spends needs their approval. >> as real estate nationally, and even globally goes down, trump goes down with it. and he loses the plaza hotel, but he also wound up being $900 million in hawk to the banks. >> what that allowed him to do was to cut a deal where they could pay the fees he needed to pay as part of his divorce settlement, the money he needed to retain trump -- his condo and trump tower, which was really an enormously symbolic security blanket. so he escaped personal bankruptcy, but he essentially became a shadow of the guy he was in the 1980s. >> trump's downturn extended to his personal life. in december, his long-pected divorce from ivana became official. he was single again. >> just this past weekend, you had a big party in palm beach. you invited just a few of your close friends, like the miami
dolphin and the buffalo bill cheerleaders. >> donald trump is hugh hefner of the '90s. >> for an older person, he's very attractive. >> he was seen in public with marla maples, but he was not ready to tie the knot. >> so, when is the big day? >> it's, truthfully, one of those things we've planned probably a dozen times, and we're very much committed to each other. there's just a little fear, i think it's more on donald's part now. >> in october of 1993, they had a baby girl, tiffany trump, and two months later, marla maples became mrs. donald trump. over the next few years, the real estate market rebounded and donald trump was back on top, valued at $450 million on the forbes' wealthiest americans list. but trump said it was more than like $2 billion. >> donald is one of the few people, and i think the
researchers at "forbes" have always said this, who personally lobbies them to not only be included on the list, but to constantly push himself upward in the ranks. >> what people think of donald trump is important to him. he may or may not admit it, but it's important to him. all of his this, poll numbers, "forbes" lists, you name it. his position matters to him. >> in 1997, he filed for divorce from marla maples, and less than a year later, trump fell in love, this time with a 23-year-old slovenian supermodel. >> as soon as i saw her, i said, that's a very special person. i knew what i wanted as soon as i saw her. >> he was very charming and it was the energy between us when we started to talk. and that's important, that we both felt the same way. >> 1999 was a presidential campaign year and trump discussed running. >> give me a scenario, as we say
in the movies, of a perfect donald trump run for president. all the way to november, mexico year. >> well, i think a perfect run would be, i do no campaigning. i run, only on election day. i get at least 51% in a three-way race. >> trump ultimately decided not to run, but that did not mean he faded from view. >> he essentially became somebody who licensed his name, ultimately, on an array of products that included vodka, underwear, mattresses, clothing, an online university and basically anything anywhere that you could glue his name on, he did and he took the fee. >> in 2004, trump got the brass ring of publicity, a network prime-time television show about what else, donald trump. "the apprentice" premiered on nbc. >> you're fired. >> "the apprentice" is donald trump's baby. i mean, he is heavily involved. he's actually there quite a bit. it is something that he clearly takes a lot of pride in. >> the show was a hit for nbc
and things were going well at home, too. in january 2005, donald trump married milania. >> did you guys sign a prenup? >> absolutely. i won't need it, but we did. >> i can't believe i just asked you that. >> a year lair, she gave birth to trump's fifth child, a son named baron. >> there's nothing more important to me than fatherhood, than family. i have great kids, they're really hard-working. >> with a hit tv show, a new family and his name everywhere, things seemed to be going well. but in this decade, there were two more bankruptcies. trump hotels and casinos accrued an estimated $1.8 billion in debt and went bankrupt in 2004. trump entertainment resorts hit hard by the recession went bankrupt in 2009. tim o'brien began writing "trump nation" in 2004 with donald trump's cooperation, and attempted to find out what
trump's net worth really was. >> when i went back and started doing the math around various statements he gave me about how much he said he was worth, the numbers weren't adding up. >> the book came out in 2005, and in 2006, trump sued o'brien for $5 billion. he claimed that he was defamed. to win, trump had to prove that o'brien acted with malice. however, the presiding judge denied trump's claim and ultimately dismissed the lawsuit. >> we deposed donald for two days and that deposition is one of the great rosetta stones of understanding the real donald trump. because during the course of that deposition, he really couldn't give a practical and reliable assessment about how he determines his net worth. >> in 2011, donald trump also began throwing around the accusation that president obama was not a u.s. citizen, that no one even knew him growing up.
>> you are not allowed to be a president if you're not born in this country. he may not have been born in this country. >> i just thought, come on! you know, by now we've all seen the birth certificate. when everybody else had given it up, he was still hanging in there on it. >> reporter: at the white house correspondents' dinner in 2011, president obama struck back with humor. >> donald trump is here tonight. no one is happier, no one is prouder to put this birth sector matter to rest than the donald. and that's because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter. like did we fake the moon landing? what really happened in roswell? and where are biggie and tupac? went "citizen trump" returns, donald trump is back on the campaign trail.
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if some of the experts thought donald trump would not have the political staying power to endure in a crowded field of republican candidates, so far, they are mistaken. trump is savvy about spending almost all attention, negative or positive, to his advantage, while attacking his rivals anytime they gain ground. in the middle of september, the second republican de aired on cnn. >> they're trying to get the republicans to mix it up. carly, trump says you have an ugly face. what do you think of that? >> i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump said. >> i think she's got a beautiful face and i think she's a beautiful woman. >> i keep hearing, oh, she totally won -- no, she looked like a little sourpuss. >> so, this is a plan that's simple -- >> voters and candidates look
for a shift in focus to issues, and when september arrived, trump announced that he had a detailed proposal for something. a tax plan. >> no business of any size from a fortune 500 company to a mom and pop shop to. if some of the experts thought donald trump wouldn't >> do you know how many politicians have said this over the years, waste, fraud, and abuse. >> how will that happen? management. >> he's a great leader. he doesn't have to give it to us.
he doesn't have to say how. he just will. >> another debate, this time hosted by cnbc. the moderators were repeatedly attacked by the republican candidates. >> you've been very critical of mark zuckerberg of facebook who has wanted to increase the number of -- >> i was not at all critical of him. i am all in favor of keeping these talented people here so they can go to work in silicon favor. >> so you're increasing -- >> i'm not at all critical of him. >> why did i read this and come up with this? >> i don't know. you people write this stuff. >> fact checkers quickly pointed out trump was wrong. his own website criticized zuckerberg. the moderator herself also noted this later in the program. >> they were intimidated, afraid, not bold enough. but that's not how you handle didn't. he can see the fear in your eyes and he pounces on it. >> the country has kind of bought in. i don't know what it's going to take to change him. >> will come along. i believe the unforeseen will occur, the ufo theory.
something will happen. >> in a controversial tryst of politics and celebrity, donald trump hosted "saturday night live." >> how is our economy? >> amazing, sir. in the words of our new national anthem, it's huge. >> believe me, he does not want to be called a loser again. he cried for hours. >> keep up the good work, amerosa. you'reoing fantastic. >> mnwhile, outside 30 rockeller plaza. >> i'm n a rapist. i'm a student, right? i just want to maksure he listens to t stories and stops hiracism that he's spreading arou the country. >>t the fox business republican debate on november 10th, opponents challenged trump on how he plans to deport millions of undocumented immigrants. >> if people think we are going to shift 11 million people who are law abiding, who are in this
country, and somehow pick them up in their house and ship them out to mexico? think about the families. think about the children. >> let me just tell you that dwight eisenhower, good president, great president, people liked him, i like ike, right? the expression, i like ike. moved a million and a half illegal immigrants out of this country, just beyond the border. >> you need at least 100,000 buses to take them back to mexico. has he thought about that? has he explained how that is going to happen? it's a totally impractical idea. >> when ben carson was a threat, trump went, well, ballistic. >> how stupid are the people of iowa, how stupid are the people of this country to believe this crap? >> the unacknowledged part of the trump mystique is he's kind of funny. he's a draw himself.
you look at these other mooks and they seem to be suffering, jeb bush least of all, as trump has pointed out. trump is having fun. when somebody is having fun, you start to have fun. >> but not everybody was laughing as trump impugned the patriotism of certain americans. >> i watched when the world trade center came tumbling down. and i watched in jersey city, new jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. >> and after cnn aired footage of a black lives matter protestors being beaten up by supporters at a rally, trump tweeted, exaggerating crime statistics. despite inaccurate and controversial claims, trump
continued to sit atop the polls. >> you're running for president of the united states. your words matter. truthfulness matters. fact-based statements matter. >> take it easy, chuck. just play cool. >> are you worried that sometimes he bends the truth? >> bends the truth? you know, what? he may. but he's still going to get things done. >> so you don't care? >> i don't care. >> after a presidential address on terrorism following the san bernardino mass shooting, trump read his proposal to ban muslims from entering the country. >> donald trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. [ cheers and applause ] >> reaction was swift and loud.
>> what was proposed yesterday is not what this party stands for. and more importantly, it's not what this country stands for. >> i do believe that it disqualifies him from serving as president of the united states. >> trump's statement even in this season of extremes is dangerous proposal that overrides history, the law, and the foundation of america itself. >> trump actually rose in the polls after that. a large part of the republican base seemed to support the idea. >> i'm supporting him and i'm supporting what i believe he meant when he said ban muslim immigration. i don't believe he's racist. i think he's talking about, you know, we need to step back and reexamine the vetting process. >> but many saw this as a game changer. many thought even proposing the idea gave isis a propaganda victory. maybe this time he had gone too far. >> do you think something changed in the media's reaction to hem and the reaction of the america's public?
remember, two-thirds of americans don't like him. so he already has a very steep climb to actually becoming president. and i think that many of those people went from seeing this as a kind of entertaining joke to being a dead serious political situation. >> and it was topic number one when cnn aired another debate on december 15th. >> governor bush, you called mr. trump unhinged when he proposed banning non-american muslims from the united states. why is that unhinged? >> donald, you know, is great at the one-liners. but he's chaos candidate. and he would be a chaos president. he would not be the commander in chief we need to keep our country safe. >> mr. trump? [ cheers and applause ] >> jeb doesn't really believe i'm unhinged.
he said that, very simply, because he has failed in this campaign. 's been a total disaster. nobody cares. >> this is the problem. banning all muslims will make it harder for us to do exactly what we need to do, which is to destroy isis. we need a strategy. >> he's a natural force. he's a phenomenon. what's propelling him? two things, i think. he's independently wealthy. people are fed up with the system. they're fed up with career politicians. they're all beholden to somebody. in trump, they see a guy who has his own money. >> they say politics is show business for ugly people. in his case, whatever his looks, he's bringing those entertainment values directly to politics. >> he will be the best president ever. we love you. >> donald trump is a top level new york real estate guy.
you've got to have big cajones to do that and promote it constantly. reality television star. i don't have to talk about his ego, it sticks out of every pore of his body. he knows how to take a simple, quick message and drive it home. can he make it last? good question. >> poll after poll shows the heart of donald trump's appeal lies with the american voter who didn't go to college, who doesn't have the money, hasn't had the breaks. he is the one rallying to the billionaire from new york who rages against illegal immigration, against bad trade deals that cost us jobs, that derides wars he says we shouldn't be fighting. he taps into an injured sense of nationalism, especially by those most threatened. for a number of reasons, many would say good, bad, or ugly, donald trump has connected. label him, attack him, condemn him, but the immense failure of this country's political establishment, right, left, or center, has left the door open for this big, brash businessman
from the city to come barrelling through. i'm chris matthews. thanks for watching. good evening from new york. i'm alex wagner in for chris hayes. for those of you who have just seen the original documentary "citizen trump," you've finished a tour in one of the most incendiary chapters in the political rise of a frontrunner. tonight we present to you a new chapter for the next documentary, one that began last night, and involves donald trump, hillary clinton, and vulgar references to human anatomy. in this campaign trump has defied political gravity over and over. despite a series of outrageous statements about mexicans,