Meet the Press MSNBC January 10, 2016 11:03am-11:22am PST
sanders narrowly ahead but by just four points. o'malley barely registers. it's fair to say a year ago no one would have predicted bernie sanders mounting this kind of challenge to clinton or donald trump leading anywhere. but that's where we are three weeks before the first voting. and yesterday i sat down backstage with trump in ottumwa, iowa. we began by talking about the cover story of "time" magazine which said in the past tense "how trump won" and whether he's already accomplished what he set out to do. if you got out of the race today, do you feel like you have won something? >> no, i don't. i really don't. i think the "time" article was incredibly well written. that's a good writer, i will tell you that, a professional. but i feel that if i don't win all of it, and i mean the presidency, that i've wasted my time. i know i've been given accolades for the job we've done and everything else. >> you've shifted the debate. >> especially being somewhat of a novice. people have said very nice things, like "time" magazine but
i really feel like if i don't win i can't make the difference. >> you know there's running conventional wisdom with you that say, okay, he's here to stay, but if he doesn't win iowa, he'll leave. he'll leave the race. >> i'm not leaving. i'm not leaving. you and i had us this discussion about two months ago and you said would you leave. i've been number one since i joined up. june 16th, amazing. we had a lot of fun but you asked me that question. i started talking about maybe here, maybe there. >> glathere's no maybes anymore. >> no maybes. i'm not leaving. >> you're going straight to the convention? >> if i don't win, i don't win. maybe that can happen but -- >> you don't accept the idea that you might lose iowa? you could lose it. >> i hope i win iowa. i've developed an amazing relationship with the people of iowa. you see it right outside. we have a huge audience. we have a sold out audience. but i have an amazing relationship with evangelicals, with the tea party, with the people of iowa. >> your chief competitor is ted cruz. you have brought up the canadian
citizenship issue. but let me ask you your opinion. do you believe he is constitutionally eligible? i know the supreme court has never weighed in on the phrase "natural born citizen." what does that mean. but you yourself, do you think he should be eligible? >> so what happens is i was watching laurence tribe of harvard yesterday who's a constitutional expert, one of the true experts. and according to him, it's a real question mark. and he is the -- i would say he was -- is one of the great authorities on this subject. he has a question mark and -- >> but do you have a question mark? >> from ted's standpoint and the party's standpoint, he has to solve this problem. because the democrats will sue him if he's the nominee. if ted is the nominee, he will be sued by the democrats and according to one of the great lawyers of the country at harvard with strong opinions on this, the whole thing has not been this matter -- as he said, this matter has not been determined. >> i understand that.
i'm talking about your opinion. >> i would say that i would want the supreme court to rule because they haven't ruled. >> let me ask you about -- you said something about senator cruz in a cnn interview. you said he was for amnesty. that's a big charge. of all people to charge being for amnesty, where's the evidence on him? >> number one, he worked for bush. bush was heavy for amnesty. >> he worked for him. >> and he was heavy for amnesty. and if you look at rubio go after him, rubio and bush are both claiming each other was totally amnesty and, honestly, marco has a lot of good points as to ted's feeling on amnesty. ted just switched his views on ethanol. he was totally against it now he's for it. it's iowa and he's for it. >> where are you in ethanol? >> i've been in favor of ethanol. >> you're okay with the subsidies. >> i like fuel and ethanol is fuel and the people out here, it's a very important subject but ted switched and i think they feel very queasy about that.
ted will switch opinions, and i think that's fine. in the world -- >> you've changed a lot. >> i've changed opinions over the years. i mean, we change. but it will be very interesting to see what happens. i will -- i'll tell you one thing. i am really looking to february 1st. it's going to be very exciting. >> let me ask you. senator rubio sponsored a bill in florida back when he was in the statehouse to give in-state tuition for undocumented immigrants. there's a lot of states that allow in-state tuition for the children of undocumented immigrants. i've not heard your position to that. >> i'm opposed to it. >> totally opposed? >> they're not here legally. >> even kids born to illegal immigrants. >> well, i happen to disagree with the whole concept of anchor babies. you look at anchor babies -- >> that's in the constitution. >> no, it's not the constitution. if you read and look and go to the real scholars like different people that i can give you, they will tell you, somebody comes over and they have a baby on our border and it happens to be on this side of the border, we're not mandated to take care of that baby.
you don't have to change the constitution. you may need a vote in congress, but you don't have to change it. now, there's a debate about that. i don't think it's even close and i've been on this issue for a long time. no, no. people have to come into our country legally. they have to be here legally. >> how do you decide if someone's a muslim when you're doing this test? >> well, there's got to be some kind of a method. >> you're taking somebody's word. >> i'm not taking somebody's word. >> that's my point. if somebody wants to do damage, they're going to lie and cheat and sneak into this country. >> this has become a very big factor over the last week and a half, two weeks since i made my announcement that we have to see what the hell is going on. in the meantime the other night you have a cop shot in philadelphia with a gun put to his head and you know the chants and the rantings and the ravings. now you're looking at cologne, germany -- >> i understand that. but how do you do it? i get it, or do you just say,
you know what, you do it geographically, not religiously. >> you have certain people come in. if they're business people if they're proven but we have to find out what the problem is. now, we can be politically correct and never discuss it, but we can't let that happen to our country. >> let me get some news of the week. china clearly its economy, they're having a problem. they're having a crisis there. you have railed that china is beating america and yet -- >> they're killing us. >> okay. we're in our best two-year job creation streak in 20 years. china is cratering our stock market for the problems they have at home. how is that the definition of china winning and america losing. >> look at our gdp. if you look at that, if you look at our productivity, if you look at the fact that people in ten years essentially haven't had a raise, people are going down instead of up, the jobs, a lot of temporary jobs, people are working temporary jobs and jobs that they don't want instead of jobs -- our economy is doing horribly and you take a look at the jobs report, the jobs report is fiction.
because all of the people that -- >> total fiction? you don't think there's been improvement from the crash honestly? >> i would say it's 90% -- we all had improvements from crashes. we had a crash, we had somewhat of a crash. would it have straightened itself out? would have straightened itself out. we had somewhat of a crash. but listen, chuck, you have 60, 70, 80 million people out there that want to work that aren't getting jobs. >> you said you think president obama is a terrible negotiator. >> obama is one of the worst negotiators on everything i've ever seen except for when it
comes to dealing with the republicans. it's unbelievable. the republicans fold every single time. this last budget was terrible. but look at the iran deal, you look at these deals. i always bring up bergdahl. we get a traitor, they get five people they've wanted for nine years and they're back on the battlefield trying to kill everybody including us and we get a dirty rotten traitor. that's the way -- that's the kind of deal we make. and iran --
>> by the way, iran just shipped uranium out. they're living up to the deal. >> where do they ship it? to russia. >> well, you trust putin. >> i trust him more than some people. >> i was just going to say -- >> i can tell you that. but what kind of a deal is that? even that, they're shipping it to russia, right? why aren't they shipping it to us? why aren't we getting it? they're shipping it to russia. i don't like that. >> you don't like that? >> no, i'd like them to ship it to us. it's our deal, so they get $150 billion. we don't even get our prisoners back. they have 24-day periods -- and, by the way, the people don't know, the 24 days doesn't start until a whole procedure takes place. that 24 day can be a longer -- >> hard to wipe away nuclear material in 24 days. >> i don't know that. and you don't know that. >> scientists tell us that. >> how about their rights of self-inspection? you think that the iranians are going to give us good self-inspection? i don't. but with the republicans,
obama's a great negotiator. >> back in a moment with more of my sit-down with donald trump including his plans to use president clinton's past against hillary. >> i don't want to say it's a threat, but it's a threat. >> it is a threat. >> of course. understands the life behind it. for those who've served and the families who've supported them, we offer our best service in return. ♪ usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. ♪
you've said you're willing to bring up bill clinton's past with women if hillary clinton attacks you for being a sexist. so is that a threat to her? is that essentially what you're saying is, hey, you want me to go down that road, you go down that road, i go down this road. >> i don't want to say this is a threat but it's a threat. >> it is a threat? >> of course. i can call it a nicer name. she was saying he has tendency towards being sexest. >> talking about you? >> talking about me. she's married to an abuser. a woman claimed rape and all sorts of things, horrible things. you read the books -- >> you know if you bring it up people will bring up your -- your first divorce was ugly. >> it's fine. >> all over the tabloids. >> but i wasn't the president of the united states, and i wasn't dealing in the oval office, all right? a big difference. i wasn't the president. and my first wife thinks i'm great and my second wife and -- and i have a great marriage.
i mean, i have a great marriage. so -- i mean, it's fine. i'm not saying don't bring anything up with me. but when she says that, i had to bring it up. and by the way, they've become very unresponsive since then. >> they have. >> and i just won the fox poll against her even. i'm up substantially over hillary in the fox poll that just came out. >> as you know people call you a lot of names, some of it is positive, some is negative. i want to throw some by you. some people are calling you the music man of this race. kim kardashian, biff from "back to the future," george costanza. p.t. barnum. any of those you consider a compliment? >> p.t. barnum. >> you'll take the p.t. barnum? >> people call you names. we need p.t. barnum a little bit because we have to build up the image of our country. we have to be a cheerleader for our country. we don't have a cheerleader. i thought obama when he got elected would be a good cheerleader. i said he'll unify the country, whether it's african-american
and white and all -- he'll unify. he's not unifying. it's -- he's been a great divider. on top of that -- >> he's been the divider? what about the republican party? >> no, no, i think -- >> you don't think this has been a two-way street? >> chuck, he hasn't brought us together. >> that's on him? not on both parties? >> i think it's on everybody, but he's the leader. he's the leader. he could have been a great cheerleader and he hasn't been, and that's too bad. >> what do you tell conservatives about '90s trump, you liked the clintons, you were pro-choice, you were even for some gun control, you wondered why the nra wouldn't be for some limitations, some restrictions. 2016 trump, you're not that guy. >> well, i have changed. i've changed in many ways. >> what is it? what's the change? >> take a look at ronald reagan. ronald reagan was a somewhat liberal democrat. ronald reagan was a liberal democrat. and he became a fairly conservative, not overly, but a fairly conservative republican. and as he grew older and i've seen things and watched things,
like with guns. if in paris or california recently the 14 people killed and probably others to follow in terms of that group because you have some people that are very, very badly wounded and in paris you have some people that are on -- but paris is -- you can't have guns. in france you can't have guns. if in paris they had guns, if in california on the other side where the bullets go both ways, not just one direction, you wouldn't have had the kind of carnage that you've had. >> what should be the restrictions, though, on purchasing guns? where are you on this? background checks for everybody? >> first of all, there's a lot of language right now that the federal government has not taken advantage of. you know that. there's tremendous language right now, stuff that's already been passed and it was passed the old-fashioned way where people actually agreed to it. one of the problems i have with what obama did is he's always signing executive orders. he doesn't bring people into his office -- >> are you going to refuse to do executive orders as president? >> i won't refuse it. >> you'll do them, too. >> i'll do a lot of right things. >> he's led the way, to be honest with you.
what he's done on immigration, when he signed those papers. now fortunately the courts all of a sudden have done a termination. we'll see what happens. but one of the beautiful things about executive orders from my standpoint is if i get elected, many of those executive orders that he signed the first they'll be unsigned. >> i understand that, but you're willing to use them, too? >> i'm not going to rule it out. >> final question because i know you've got the rally -- >> i'm going to use them much better and they'll serve a much better purpose than what he's done. >> on tuesday we'll hear the president say the state of our union is in some words strong, vibrant, all this stuff. what would you say? one year from now it could be you giving this speech to congress, a version of it, we don't call it the state of the union in the first one, but a joint session speech. how would you describe the state of the union right now? >> now or in a couple years? >> now or in a year. >> now it's a mess. >> you'd go up and there and say "the state of our union is a mess." >> i wouldn't say that. you're asking me for an opinion. obama will say what he's going to say. but i think right now the state
of our union is a mess. we can't beat isis, our military is falling back, it's not being properly taken care of, our vets aren't being properly taken care of, obamacare as you know is going to fail very soon and probably in '17. we don't have borders, we don't have anything. if i'm there in two years and making a speech, i say we're getting better fast. >> in that first speech to congress, you're going to lay out your first 100 days' agenda. what are the four issues? >> i want to build our military bigger and better and stronger. >> number one. >> i want to take care of our veterans. i want to take care of. they're being taken care of horribly. i want to fix our health care system. i want to create borders so we have a country. right now we don't a country. we have borders where people walk across and do whatever they want to do and they have babies and the babies become citizens and we have to take care of them. we're going to do many, many things and we're going to make america great again. that's what i want to do. >> a bunch of billionaires around the world, zuckerberg, they want to give away more than half of their wealth at some point to philanthropic projects.
carl icahn is the guy who signed onto this. a good friend of yours. >> he endorsed me. >> i'm sure people have asked you to sign this giving pledge. >> they have all asked me. >> why haven't you done it? >> i'm old-fashioned. i have wonderful children doing a wonderful job and i believe in that and we employ thousands and thousands of people and i like the concept of keeping the company going as opposed to selling everything and giving it away. so right now i mean -- perhaps i shouldn't be saying this but i'm of the old school. i'd like to see my children take this great company that i've built -- and it is a great company -- and i'd like to see it go on for a long time creating jobs, lots of money, pay lots of taxes, give lots of money away. i'd make lots of big contributions. i like that better. >> mr. trump, until we meet again. >> thank you. >> one note from our friends at politifact about the interview. they've done initial fact checking. donald trump said the five prisoners who were swapped for bowe bergdahl are back on the battlefield. well, politifact finds that to be false.