tv Morning Joe MSNBC January 25, 2016 3:00am-6:01am PST
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president george w. bush, nicolle wallace. on capitol hill, senior political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. and in grand rapids, michigan, managing editor of bloomberg politics mark halprin. i stayed in the city over the weekend and i didn't think it was going to be so bad. >> well, why in the world -- mika, why would you think it would be so bad because bill caron said we'd get five to six inches. little did we know -- >> ouch! >> little did we know he meant five or six inches the first hour. >> bill got me through the weekend. you rocked. he was on 24 hours a day, he was so good. i couldn't -- >> it was a once in 20 year storm, it was nuts. >> amazing. >> mika -- bill, you really were amazing this weekend. on friday not so much. what happened? six inches ends up being 26 inches, what happened? >> it was an incredibly tight
gradient. the weather service put out a statement from new york city saying that the new york city area had the 26 inches. if you went 20 miles due north of new york city you got two inches. >> right. me. right here. >> it was literally -- we have a director that works here at msnbc and he lives in poughkeepsie. he was stuck in the city. poughkeepsie is an hour and a half drive north. not a flake. >> just what you told us. >> i live in litchfield county, connecticut. my son waited all day to go sledding and ended up set willing on dirt yesterday. so bummed out there was no snow. >> that's kind of mean, actual lift you could have driven somewhere. >> i need to know how joe did. how much did you have at your house, joe. i gave you a specific forecast. >> i think we have about six, seven inches. >> i told you two or three. that's not bad. >> no, not too bad. >> new york city. >> i do have -- the operative phrase, and i'll use this any time i'm off in the future. there was just an incredibly tight radiant.
i wish i would have had that in fifth grade. no, it was pretty historic. mika, you were in the city. >> yes. and you guys were sort of trapped but had a great time. >> and monitoring my parents in washington, d.c., bill, which got just walloped. that was historic, right. >> but they didn't lose power. that was key. >> isn't that amazing. >> thank god. >> bill, let me ask you something. we came up short by a tenth of an inch of the all time biggest storm in the history of new york. as a meteorologist at that point don't you lie and add the .2? >> they take this stuff seriously, willie. in d.c., the guys measuring the snow messed it up. they lost their ruler in the snow or something and decided to be smart to leave it out by the measuring board. they have a guy or a girl, there's a board and every six hours they go out there, they measure it and clear it off so that when we give you these totals, the stuff you have in your front yard may be lower because the snow compacts a bit. >> round up, bill.
>> you were great this weekend. we'll be back in touch with you at the end of the block here. today we're one week away to the iowa caucuses. there's word of michael bloomberg jumping in the race? we'll get to that at some point. and donald trump could be firmfully control of the state of iowa. a new fox news poll in iowa shows donald trump at 34%, ted cruz at 23%. a 15-point swing in trump's favor from earlier this month when cruz was leading. marco rubio, the only other personal in double digits, at 12% but down three points. and the cbs news/yougov battleground tracker, iowa poll shows a 14-point swing. trump eight points to 39% while cruz is at 34%, falling six points. rubio, again, the only other candidate in double digits at 13%. that canada stuff, joe, that was debilitating for ted cruz. >> there's going to be, i believe mark, a moment in time, maybe two weeks from now, three
weeks from now if things don't turn out well in iowa where ted cruz looks back and asks what he was thinking. he was drafting just fine in second place behind donald trump. he could have set up a possible one-on-one fight down the road after south carolina, but he decided to take him on. everybody said "oh, you have to take trump on." just like they told bush you have to take trump on. since he's taken on donald trump, trump has absolutely pummelled him. just picked him apart bit by bit. he started with canada, then it was goldman sachs. then on the same day that the establishment was destroying him in iowa with terry brandstat, he had sarah palin. s show for good or bad or equal -- trump has so dominated the news agenda and has completely wiped out cruz's momentum. down four in one poll, down six in another. my gosh, we're going to be moving beyond iowa in a second. but in new hampshire, south
carolina, georgia, across america trump is posting massive leads. >> well, joe, on that side of the ledger you're talking about, there's no doubt cruz taking on trump and being pummelled by lots of other people on paid television ads in iowa. there's no doubt cruz is not where he would want to be in iowa. on the other side of the ledger, he has more money than anybody in the race except for trump's bank account. he still has lots of states post-new hampshire and in even new hampshire where he is strong. now while he is second to trump by almost every measure nationally and in iowa, he's the most competitive are trump going past these early states. sol he's -- if somebody's going to be in the finals against trump, a that point cruz is the most likely. >> but willie geist, you can either not attack trump and have people call you weak or you can go after trump and have happen to you what happened to rick perry, what happened to jeb bush, what happened to ben
carson, what happened to hillary clinton. and now what's happened to ted cruz. if you are in donald trump's way, he figures out a way to find your weakness and tear you to shreds. >> that's the difficult. it's not like ted cruz went out of his way looking to pick a fight. donald trump raised the birther question about canada and got a lot of help from people who are not donald trump, from john mccain, nancy pelosi, claire mccaskell, all these people who fanned the flames and said maybe there is a question about whether or not he's eligible to be president and if that left one kernel of doubt in an iowa voter or a new hampshire voter's mind it will have been worth it to donald trump to have laid that issue on the table and in a lot of ways for a little while step back and let other people get on top of it and he since his picked up on it. but ted cruz had to respond in some way. i don't think he went looking for a fight but trump gave him one. >> he did. and mika, you have iowa, it's where donald trump was supposed
to lose. everybody said donald trump was going to lose there for a while. nate silver now, magically, the witch craft that is 538 is now after saying nothing good was happen there now has magically said he's got a -- >> wait, i thought. >> nope, he's got a 55% chance of winning now. but, you know, he'll probably say there's an incredibly tight radiant and that's why he's been as dead wrong on sports and politics this year as he has. but mika, we move beyond iowa. cruz has to win iowa. trump doesn't have to win iowa. if he does, it's over. but you move on to new hampshire and south carolina and we get some new polls in there, too, that seems to be even worse news for the field. >> we'll show you that. but to let you know, donald trump spent the night i believe in a holiday inn express in sioux city, iowa. >> "good mattress." >> good mattress, clean.
>> yeah. >> can you imagine if this was mitt romney. i don't know, everything he does is backwards. >> mitt romney spent a lot of nights at holiday inns, too. >> but he had a car elevator and we went crazy. the world is upside down. let's go to new hampshire. donald trump more than doubles ted cruz there. 31% to 14% in the fox news poll. >> wow. >> rubio at 13%. kasich at 9%. jeb bush and chris christie at 7%. the cbs/yougov poll finds trump doubling cruise in new hampshire, rubio at 14%, kasich at 10%. in the latest reuters poll, trump nearly quadruples his opposition. 41% to cruz's 11%. carson at 10%, bush at 9%, rubio at 7%. >> let's hold that up for a second. nicole, willie and i have been saying six month, five months, four months, but it's two months, but it's one month. we're one week away from the first pitch of the opening game
which may end up being the most important game for everybody and donald trump is ahead in the national poll 41% to 11% to 10% to 9% you're bush, 7% for rubio. is it -- can we actually start saying that this guy may be extraordinarily dominant in the republican field? are we still looking for those asterisks? i'm not talking about you, i'm talking about the gop establishment. everybody. >> not only is he completely dominant and has he been now for close to six months but if you add up all -- there's this sort of story line throughout that if only the establishment heads coalesce behind one of them. well, if you add up the entire chunk of poll numbers for all of the establishment candidate, you don't arrive at half of donald trump's poll numbers so take that fantasy one step further and say one of them stayed in. add up the support they all garner and it's not even in the
national poll, the three outsiders, trump, cruz, and carson, it's 62% and the establishment guys added together barely get to 20%. >> we deal the other polls in just a moment. let's go to the democrat side. a new cbs/yougov poll shows bernie sanders leading by the narrowest of margins in iowa, just 1%. but in new hampshire he expect pands his lead to nearly 20 points. in south carolina, the shoe is on the other foot. clinton up by 22 points. and hillary clinton may get a not? the arm with two high-profile endorsements over the weekend. one from the "des moines register" and the other from the "boston globe." both clinton and sanders barnstormed iowa over the weekend. sanders was defiant saying they were running a desperate campaign lacking excitement and he fought back these comments from former president bill clint clinton. >> we have to tell people who think that may be lured by
people that say this other guy is madder than she is. [ laughter ] and that feels authentic. and besides, these slogans are easier to say. [ laughter ] and i say that in no disrespect. i admire that. >> he was somewhere, i think maybe nevada and he said, you know, bernie sanders is angry. that's true. i plead guilty. i am angry. i am angry and millions of americans are angry. we are angry that our people are working longer hours for lower wages. we are angry that our criminal justice system is broken. and we're angry that we have a corrupt campaign finance system that allows billionaires to buy elections. [ applause ] >> joe, the same -- similar response that donald trump had to nikki haley.
yes, yes, we're angry. >> yeah. you're damn right i'm angry and it -- it was just a powerful moment for bernie sanders. i mean, bill clinton got the laugh lines, but, sam stein, you don't have to be a political expert to know who's in a better position there -- the establishment candidate deriding the outsider for saying he's angry or the outsider that says, yeah, you know what? i am angry. it's like a softball pitch. i mean no disrespect to bill clinton, i really don't. and i'm not talking about him generally, but specifically in that scene when i hear those words coming out of a politician's mouth, i know i'm throng a loser. i'm listening to somebody that is losing, that's saying, oh, they've got better slogans, oh, they've got better this, oh, there polls may be higher now or, oh, they may be more angry. but i've heard that form of that
speech a thousand times and it's never good for the one giving it. >> no. you said it was a softball, it was. it played right into bernie's message. it couldn't have been delivered by a better person for bernie, either. a former president, someone who's gotten fairly wealthy after his presidency. the most establishment figure in the democratic party so i think the contrast was clear. but the problem for bernie and trump is that they are quite reliant on turning out voters that either, a, haven't come and turned out before in trump's case or, b, in bernie's case, tend to be much more young than the traditional democratic voter. if you look at the polls on the democratic side, he is doing exceptionally well with young voters but as we know, young voters aren't the most reliable people in the world. the good thing for bernie is if he does win in one or both of these two state, the fire hose of money and support that will come to him post-winning will be immense and he can make translate that into something incredibly fortuitous for his
campaign. it will challenge clinton's southern firewall. i know you put up the south carolina numbers there and she does have significant advantage in south carolina, but you can see where he's just bringing in millions of dollars on a weekly basis just online in building a really robust post-new hampshire campaign. it becomes a drawnout primary fight which we never anticipated. >> well, which we never anticipated and, willie, you saw in the south carolina poll she may be ahead, but she's down like seven points. bernie's moving up. that continues if he wins iowa and new hampshire. and i retweeted something bernie sent out yesterday because i was struck by just how clear the message was and how jumbled right now hillary clinton's message is. i mean, we asked her on the air "why do you want to be president of the united states?" she just talked for a long time. this is what bernie says in the tweet. "if wall street does not end their greed, we will end it for
them." there is clarity, there is precision, there is anger, yes, but even jesus talked about the importance of a righteous anger. and i think sometimes a lot of americans in 2016 would like to see jeb bush and hillary clinton both act like they're a little more upset at things. >> yeah, bernie sanders sometimes calls it anger, other times excitement. in that piece that mika referenced in this morning's "washington post" where he says her campaign is looking desperate, he also said "what this campaign about is an excitement and energy that does not exist and will not exist in the clinton campaign." that's an on-the-record quote from bernie sanders. and what he's done is directly and sometimes indirectly say look, this is a little bit like 2008 where hillary clinton didn't see barack obama coming. he's saying to young voters, to new people who may turn out in iowa and new hampshire "i can be barack obama to hillary clinton
this time around. i have the excitement, i have the energy." >> we have a story we're going to have in the next block that sort of backs up. i know the clinton campaign wants to flick off the speeches from goldman sachs and the $225,000 a speech, i think up to a million over the course of the year, whatever, as just something that she can handle because she can still do it, but we have a story of a bankruptcy bill that she pushed for a veto during her husband's administration and then voted for as a senator. and what that meant. and it's going to be difficult for her to really thread the needle on this message with her record. let's get to other headlines now. u.s. stock futures are pointing lower this morning as oil prices slip back below $32 a barrel. today asian markets maintained a positive start the new trading week. investors are keeping an eye on the bank of japan's monetary policy decision expected to come on friday. also this morning, the israeli military says their
aircraft has struck a hamas-affiliate target insiede the gaza strip overnight. according to the a.p., they say it's retaliation at rocket fired at israel's southern communities yesterday. in a press release, israel defense forces claim there have been three rockets launched from the gaza strip into israeli territory this month. in michigan this morning, the state attorney general will discuss his investigation into the lead contamination of flint's water supply. we've learned a former prosecutor and a retired fbi chief will help with the investigation. it was launched earlier this month to determine what, if any, state laws were violated. and finally, a major sports gambling web site suspended betting yesterday for a mixed doubles match at the australian open, raising suspicions of match-fixing. >> okay. okay. >> here we go. this is dominos. >> seriously. willie, we were all surprised, mika and i. mika and i were surprised,
willie, i'm sure you were surprised, too, that that article that we just saw on the back of the "daily news" wasn't bigger than it was in the rest of the news. and that was that they're fixing matches, according to investigations and their top players -- i saw this break across my breaking news from the "new york times" yesterday afternoon and i just sat there going, why didn't anybody pay attention to this other than the "daily news" and a couple other pa papers? >> when money floods into a mixed doubles match, you know something is up. so here's more on the story. this is according to the "new york times." large amounts of money poured in ahead of one first-round match and nearly all the money came down on one player. tennis is under international scrutiny because of those allegations of widespread match fixing. >> we'll have much more on this. still ahead on "morning joe," hillary clinton may have defended her big bank speeches yesterday, but it's what
elizabeth warren said years ago that shows why it continues to create headaches for the presidential candidate. we'll play that for you. and later, the mayor of washington, d.c., muriel bowser, joins us from the nation's snow-covered capital. plus, governor chris christie, senator rand paul on the set and later former governor rick perry reveals why he's backing ted cruz for president. and one week from today we will be live at java joe's in des moines, iowa, for complete caucus coverage. and you know what we need? we need a snowstorm. i wonder if that will happen as iowa voters choose their candidates. and on tuesday to break down the results we'll be there again if you're in the area, stop by java joe's. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. u investmen opportunities. i've got a fantastic deal for you- gold! with the right pool of investors, there's a lot of money to be made.
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interested in what i saw, what i thought. they asked questions about matters that were on their minds. a lot of interest in the bin laden raid, how such a tough decision was made and what i advised the president. you know, i think americans who are doing business in every aspect of the economy want to know more about the world. i actually think it's a good conferen conversation for people to be having. >> you don't think they expect anything in return? >> absolutely not. first of all, i was a senate for new york. i took them on when i was senator. i took on the carried interest loophole. i took on what was happening in the mortgage markets. i was talking about that in 2006. they know exactly where i stand and i tell you, chuck, it's interesting to me that now karl rove has taken money from the financial interest who run an ad against me to try to influence democrats not to support me. why? ask yourself why. because he knows, number one, i know what must be done and, number two, i know how to get it done to make sure that wall
street writ large, not just the banks but the investment banks, the hedge funds and everybody else no longer can wreck our economy the way they did in 2008. >> you know, nicolle, the thing that so many people don't understand, nicolle, is she's getting $225,000 per speech for 45 minutes or so. they're not doing that because they like her or she's worth that much. they're doing that because they want, as george stephanopoulos said, they want access. and also, the other thing that's so vexing, and we've talked about this before, the clintons are worth $100 million at this point. >> right. >> when she's giving these speeches and getting paid $225,000 for a 45-minute speech from a financial institution, she knows when she's gives that speech and getting a $225,000 check from goldman sachs and the $22,000 check from fidelity and a $225,000 check from bank of america and a $225,000 check
from these wall street interests that she's going to run for president and it will be an issue. i can't figure out why someone worth $100 million would do that. >> well, here's the problem. everything that i know about how modern political warfare goes down i learned from watching her husband's operation. that perceptions but is reality, that, you know, you don't make decisions that can be used as a bludgeon against you. so the fact that her judgment -- these aren't old speeches, these were speeches she gave after she -- these were the things she did, these were the strategic decisions she made immediate by before running for president. so that her judgment was so clouded it either speaks to a complete obliviousness about the person she was going to run against, that it seemed to me it was always a risk that somebody with elizabeth warren's politics and record on wall street was going to bring a great challenge to her from the left. so the fact that she was so arrogant she thought this wouldn't be a liability speaks to a real question about her judgment. and she's reaping what she sowed
now. >> and, mika, the problem is with her argument, also, is that the banks and the moneyed interests actually did know how she acted when she was senator and the fact is that she viewed herself as a senator from wall street. and a clip with elizabeth warren shows that. >> well, she even said on "meet the press" that she's strong enough to sort of push back against anybody, even people who paid her, but the banks -- the banking issue highlights what, i guess, some would call hillary clinton's elizabeth warren problem. her speeches and connections to big banks leaves her open to criticism about special interests. and would she or would she not cave to them as demonstrated by this story from elizabeth warren herself back in 2004. >> she said "professor warren, we've got to stop that awful bill." referring to this bankruptcy bill that's sponsored by the credit card companies.
so i left, she went back to washington and i heard later from someone who was a white house staffer that there were skid marks in the hallways when mrs. clinton got back as people reversed direction on that bankruptcy bill. and in her autobiography, mrs. clinton took credit for that veto and she rightly should. she turned around a whole administration on the subject of bankruptcy. >> and then? >> one of the first bills that came up after she was senator clinton was the bankruptcy bill. >> and? >> she voted in favor of it. >> why? >> as senator clinton the pressures are very different. it's a well-financed industry. a lot of people don't realize that the industry that gave the most money to washington over the past few years was not the oil industry, it was not pharmaceuticals, it was consumer credit products. those are the people, the credit card companies, have been giving
money and they have influence. >> and mrs. clinton was one of them as senator? >> she has taken money from the groups. and, more to the point, she worries about them as a constituency. >> wow. >> so, willie, there are candidates in this race, it's incredible, who just don't have this problem. this would never just -- it would never happen. >> well, it's a problem of her own making. >> one is her opponent. >> it's a problem of her own making, mark halperin. if you talk to people on wall street, they feel comfortable with hillary clinton as president. they feel she's pragmatic, not the populist that some of her rhetoric suggested she is. they feel like if she's elected president, they're going to be just fine. >> well, there's a comfort level there and bernie sanders is taking advantage of that every time somebody from wall street says exactly what you just said, sanders uses that as leverage. president obama -- there was an article in the "new york times" president obama got a lot of attention a
attention about he and his aides seem to be tilting towards hillary clinton. other democratic voices in the party, joe biden speaking out in a way that seemed to tilt towards sanders. elizabeth warren same thing. so bernie sanders is not alone in this fight. he is doing a very skillful job of kind of consolidating not just the passion for change but the anti-clinton sentiment that exists in certain parts of the parties and he is proving to be a more skillful and aggressive politician than he seemed just a couple months ago. >> sam stein, what does that video, that story that elizabeth warren tells tell you. ? are some people just going to see that as too picky and too in the weeds or it more important? >> no, it's important. first of all, i'm not entirely sure what the bill is she's referencing. but it's important for this point. hillary clinton, despite taking these speeches -- and i've had democrats come up to me befuddled that she did these speeches. despite taking the money from goldman sachs, it's fair to say that hillary clinton has a robust regulatory platform for her campaign. it's been praised by paul
krugman among other people. so she can say on the broad strokes that, you know what? this goldman money, these speech fees, they are not influencing me, look at my policy paper, i will be tough on wall street. the reason it still matters, though, is that on the margins, on smaller bills that maybe don't get the national attention as a broad policy paper, there is the possibility of being influenced by money that you received or being close to people in the wall street universe who can then come to you and lobby on behalf of their interests and have an open door with you. so these things do matter. i don't think they're determinative but i think it's very valuable for voters to know where money is coming from, who it's coming from and whether those people have a different access level than normal human beings. >> i mean, joe, this is -- it's awkward but it's what kind of just popped out of the mouth of george stephanopoulos when he was talking about noun the clinton foundation. in a way, giving 50, $150, $200
or more, it buys you access to the clinton machine, to the clintons, does it not? even he said so and i think he gave. >> it does buy access and, yes, he did, and yes, it has. but with hillary clinton, she -- her record on wall street reform is nowhere close to what bernie sanders' record is on this front. she did get the money from goldman sachs and these other players and -- >> i think he even gets interviews with her, i'm just saying. >> if i'm not mistaken, i think also when she was at the goldman speech she defended them and suggested that goldman sachs had been unfairly attacked. just going back, we reported that months and months ago. i was just going back to find the transcript, we'll have alex try to do that, or the reports from that. but there is no doubt this is a serious problem. she -- she knowinnoknows, she h
access, the banks have the access with her. she has a tight, cozy relationship with all of these banks on wall street. with the wall street community. she was, along with chuck schumer, the senator from wall street. and guess what you call? you call that as a new york senator doing your job. that's what you call it so she can't run a away from it any more than george h.w. bush should have tried to run away from who he was naturally. it isn't a good fit when she tries to do that. this is going to keep playing out, mika. also, we still have those polls outside of iowa and new hampshire to get to that show donald trump just absolutely blowing away the rest of the field in south carolina and some of the s.e.c. primaries. all that still ahead on "morning joe." >> look, you're always rusty when you start going back in. look at my first debate in 2012, right? if you haven't been doing it, you know, you lose some of those
muscles. >> president obama reflects on hillary clinton's sometimes rocky return to the political spotlight. >> wow. >> ouch. >> wow. >> his most pointed comment on the 2016 -- >> he says she's rusty. >> you lose some of those muscles. >> well, bernie sanders has not been on the campaign trail for years and years and years, so where's he getting his? oh, in a message. >> yeah. >> that interview in just a few minutes. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe." on. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet? hi mom! hi!
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let's take a break if politics and some football. let's start with the late game in the nfc, panthers hosting the cardinals. this thing was no contest. panthers route the no-show cardinals 49-15 nightmare of a game for carson palmer, the quarterback, threw four interceptions and fumbled twice. on the other side of the ball, cam newton was unreal. he'll be the mvp of the nfl, now he's going to the super bowl. he ran for two touchdowns, threw for two more. the man of steel. peel that jacket open, there it is. superman crossing the goal line at the end of a 12-yard run that capped it. panthers 49 points is the most for an nfc title game winner. >> i said it then, i'll say it now. it was a process. it wasn't going to be -- what'd i say? instant grits, quick grits. it's going to be a process like long cooked collard greens and i think they're brewing right now. you can smell it from a mile
away. >> that's the best description of a win i've ever heard. to denver to see who carolina will play. great game. peyton manning and the broncos hosting tom brady and the patriots. the 17th great meeting between the two quarterbacks and likely the last. the game was impacted early, we didn't know it at the time, with a missed extra point. steven gostkowski had not missed since 2006, keep in mind. trailing by eight with less than 20 seconds in the game. brady finds rob gronkowski in the end zone. because of the mixed extra point they have to go for two. it's 20-18. broncos defense in brady's face all game long and they break up the pass there, intercepted. 20-18, denver wins the game. patriots' season is over. despite several teammates being outspoken in defense, gostkowski blamed much of this on himself telling reporters after the game "i feel like a lost the game for the team. it's a sickening feeling."
the mixed extra point was his first in nine years, snapping his streak of an nfl record 523 consecutive extra points going into sunday. he's only missed one extra point in his career before that. so super bowl 50 features 39-year-old peyton manning making his fourth career super bowl appearance. the first quarterback to do so under four different coaches. he leads the broncos against cam newton and the panthers who are favored by four or five depending on where you look in super bowl 50 in two weeks. mika, i know you're rooting heavily for -- >> i'm watching football now, joe. >> yeah, you really are. you really are. it's going to be hopefully a great super bowl. it's hard to see anybody right now stopping cam newton and the carolina panthers. they look unbeatable. i want to -- not to turn too quickly, mika, but i was searching for this hillary clinton story about when she spoke at goldman sachs. this is pretty chilling. written by ben white and maggie
haberman on december 11, 2013. december 11, 2013. "on a recent afternoon, executives at goldman sachs invited a few major donors to the conrad hotel in lower manhattan. the bangers and their guests filed into a large room. ordinarily the universe might have growned at the idea of a politician taking the microphone, but clinton offered a message that the collective plutocrats found reassuring, according to accounts offered by several attendees, declaring that the banker-bashing so popular within political parties was unproductive and indeed foolish. striking a soothing note on the global financial crisis, she told the audience in effect, we all got into this mess together, we're all going to work it out together. what the bankers heard her say was just what they would hope they would hear from a prospective presidential candidate, beating up the finance industry isn't going to improve the economy, it must stop. and, indeed, goldman sachs tim
o'neil who heads the bank's asset management business introduced hillary clinton by saying how courageous she was for speaking at the bank. brave, perhaps but also well compensated. clinton's minimum fee for paid remarks is $200,000." that was not in 2001, that was not in 2004. mika, that was in 2013 and it was written by reporters that now cover her on the presidential campaign trail for the "new york times." certainly with maggie haberman where she actually just a couple of years ago was attacking people who were critical of the banks saying we got into this together, we all need to get out of it together. pretty stunning stuff. >> the problem is a lot of people got it out of it together but not most of america and certainly not the middle-class and that's why it just doesn't work to speak out of both sides of your mouth anymore and figure out where it's going to end up
later because that's what politicians on both sides of the aisle have been doing and it's not working anymore. >> i really think i -- all i'm saying is that was her job when she was senator, to defend wall street. she was not senator in '13, she went there to get paid $225,000 to deliver a speech that goldman sachs would love. basically granting them absolution. that's in politico, it's not in a right wing or left wing web site. it's maggie haberman and ben smith writing it, the quotes are fairly devastating and let's keep talking about it. all right, up next, it worked for barack obama. now bernie sanders is tapping into the president's play book in his fight against hillary clinton. politico sat down with the president for his thoughts on the race to replace him. mike allen joins with us that brand new interview ahead on "morning joe." we were born 100 years ago into a new american century. born with a hunger to fly and a passion to build something better.
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this morning and in it the president offers his most expansive comments yet on the race to succeed him. take a listen. >> i think bernie came in with the luxury of being a complete long shot and just letting loose. >> right. >> i think hillary came in with the -- both privilege and burden of being perceived as the front-runner and as a consequence, you know, where they stood at the beginning probably helps to explain why -- >> do you feel like it's -- >> -- the language is a little different. >> do you feel like it's unfair to her, the way this has been stacked? >> well, yes. but i think that hillary's tough and she has been through this before and she could anticipate it. if you are a front-runner and you are under more scrutiny and everybody's going to be pick you apart and if you're -- >> and by "everybody" in '08,
you meant you. [ laughter ] >> well, but i -- but if you think about it, after i won iowa, then suddenly things are flipped and i go to new hampshire and, oh, obama's looking kind of cocky, we need to knock him down. and the voters themselves start doing that. joining us from washington, chief white house correspondent for politico, mike allen. mike, tell us more about the interview. the president seemed to be not endorsing but leaning, right, toward hillary clinton? >> mika, i agree. this was the most encouraging that the president haeb to secretary clinton in a long time. this is sort of how we know he thinks behind the scenes but now he's saying it publicly. mika, you saw there, the president was pretty chatty and relaxed in this conversation he had with glen thrush for glen's podcast off message which you can get in the itunes store. they sat down friday in the oval office, glen had half an hour,
they wound up chatting for 40 minutes and the president was not only encouraging to secretary clinton, he also was very sentimental. in this interview we heard him -- a little tinge that he regretted a little bit some of how he treated her in '08. a clinton insider told us that this is going to make secretary clinton very happy as she heads into iowa and new hampshire. mika, there was one sharp moment. there was a moment when glen asked the president if bernie sanders today reminds him of himself in '08. there's been so much commentary, is sanders going to be the obama of this cycle? and the president was pretty sharp in replying "no, i don't think that's true." and we really saw him pouring cold water on the bernie phenomenon here at the very top in that clip where glen asked him, does the president need to be more well rounded and obama spoke at length saying that this
is a job where you don't have the luxury of just focusing on one issue. so here we had the president being kind of nostalgic about iowa, very bullish on hillary, bearish on bernie. >> except that one issue is kind of the most important issue that most americans are confronting on a daily basis. >> we're seeing that. >> did you ask him about that. >> and the president's reminding us. it's an ironic reminder from this president who was elected in part because of his connection with people but reminding people that the emotional connection you have in an election is very different from the job when you actually get behind a desk. >> all right, thank you for bringing us an interview by glen thrush, mike allen, thank you. coming up, recent polling shows roughly half of iowans could change their mind about who they're going to vote for. now they're getting a nudge from the des moin"des moines regist." we'll talk to the paper's opinion editor about why the
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>> why would you change them, honestly? they're mumbo-jumbo and comedy at the same time. coming up on "morning joe," presidential candidates rand paul and chris christie join us. also former governor rick perry explains why the republican establishment seems to want very different things from a whole lot of voters. plus, he'll discuss his pick for president just ahead. but first, the "washington post's" robert costa live in iowa. his reporting on the state of the race just one week away from the first votes. keep it right here on "morning joe." before earning. pay for before earning 1% cash back everywhere, every time. and 2% back at the grocery store. even before she got 3% back on gas, all with no hoops to jump through.
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something. we talked about humility at church today. [ laughter ] i don't know if that was aimed at me, perhaps. the hotel i stayed in here last night, it was a very nice hotel and i'm watching all these ads. i'm watching for carson, i'm watching for rubio, i'm watching for ted cruz. i'm watching these ads. i don't want to take a chance. you may believe some of those ads by. the way, those adds are total [ bleep ]ing okay? [ bleep ]. [ cheers and applause ] one of the things they say about eminent domain. all conservatives want the keystone pipeline. i want it. i'm not in love with the idea of taking canadian oil. what the held -- i love canada, by the way. you know who will approve that deal fast? ted cruz, he's from canada. he's from canada. oh, i never thought of that. this is a first. ted cruz will approve the keystone pipeline because it benefits canada. that's great. he could be the only guy, he'll run for president, then he'll run for prime minister of
canada. >> oh, my god. it's just -- welcome back to "morning joe," it's monday, january 25. with us, we have senior political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. the editor-in-chief of buzzfeed, ben smith. in grand rapids, michigan, managing editor of bloomberg politics, mark halperin, in washington, the president and ceo of the aspen institute, walter isaacson. and in des moines, iowa, political reporter for the "washington post" and msnbc political analyst robert costa along with willie, joe, and me. so today, guys, we are one week away to the iowa caucuses and donald trump could firmly be in control of that state, it looks like, at this point. a new fox news poll in iowa shows trump at 34%, ted cruz at 23%, a 15-point swing in trump's favor from earlier in month when cruz was leading. marco rubio, the only other person in double digits at 12% but down three points. and the cbs news/yougov
battleground tracker shows a 14% swing in the race eight points to 39%. cruise is at 34% falling six points. marco rubio again the only other candidate in double digits at 13%. joe? >> mark halperin, as we always say in politics, it's the trend lines you look at not necessarily the poll numbers. you don't know quite how accurate each one of these polls are doing, what their sample size is, who they're going after but the trend lines are clear out of iowa. donald trump two weeks ago was behind ted cruz over the past two weeks. he's been pounding him. we saw him pounding him again on this canada issue that the establishment in both part please go d.c. haven't minded getting behind. and you have 14 point swings in two polls taken in iowa in trump's favor. [ muted ]. >> can we get his volume?
>> lost his audio. we'll get back to mark in a minute but let's go to bob costa. kbob, big shi bob, big shift in momentum. do you feel it on the ground in iowa. >> i was reporting on donald trump all weekend and you get the sense that there is momentum with the trump campaign in iowa, that cruz still has a strong ground game, but the moments with trump, people are coming to his rallies, you see excitement there, you see trump embracing retail politics. i reported on his visit to a presbyterian church in m muscatine. he put two $50 billions in the collection plate, he will's going to high school auditoriums. he's staying overnight. i saw him in pella on saturday night shake hands at a restaurant where they were serving a prime rib buffet. >> willie geist, this is a guy that desperately wants to win iowa because he believes if he
wins iowa he can run the table in an historic way. >> i don't think there's any question about that. if he wins iowa and he's up 20 point source in new hampshire depending on what poll you look at, there's no stopping him from that point on. in new hampshire, donald trump more than doubles ted cruz, 31% to 14% in the fox news poll. rubio's a 13%. john kasich at 9%. jeb bush and chris christie at 7%. so a tight pack for second place there. the cbs/yougov poll shows trump doubling cruise in new hampshire 34% to 16%, rubio at 14%, john kasich at 10%. cbs/yougov in the south finds a trump-dominated race. in south carolina, 40% to 21%. rubio in third at 13% and he has a 10-point advantage on ted cruz in georgia 39% to 29%, a march 1 primary. rubio at 13% there. cruz's home state in texas, he's got trump by 15 point there is.
senator cruz leads 45% to 30%. the only candidates in double digits in that state. trump is 19 points ahead of cruz in florida's march 15 primary. 41% to 22%. rubio at 18% in his home state of florida and ben carson at 5%. jeb bush, the former governor there, 4%. and trump nearly quadruples his opposition. this is the national number. 41%. in second place, ted cruz, 30 points behind at 11%. ben carson at 10%, jeb bush at 9%, marco rubio at 7%, joe. >> walter, we've been saying it for some time. if this had been an establishment figure supporting these numbers the ref would have come into the ring waving his arms saying "tko, tko." >> like the game yesterday. >> exactly. like the game yesterday. one week out, trump certainly does seem to be by far the
dominant figure this field and it's hard to see what happens over the next several days that changes any of that. >> i'll give you guys some credit which is you've been saying more for a couple of months that trendlines keep going up. but partly i think it's a self-fulfilling thing. i think there's still a possibility that once he wins a couple primaries there's going to be some rallying around some alternative because there are a lot of people who are quite allergic to donald trump, especially in the republican party. so you'll have a rubio possibility and it does look like he's rolling, you're right: >> he is rolling. and mark halperin, time and time again, he had obviously the first challenger, ben carson zoomed away in iowa. he gave that belt buckle speech, went after his biography, went after him bragging about hitting his mother a hammer, talked about the magic belt that could
stop a knife and just hammered away at the preposterousness of some of the statements in ben carson's bio. ben carson started dropping like a rock. ted cruz goes ahead of him. truss starts attacking him in iowa. the same thing happens. hillary clinton attacks him. i think hillary clinton's been on the defensive since she attacked him and he started going after hillary and bill. this is a guy that if you're a democrat you think you want him in the general election i don't think you know what you're talking about. i've got to ask. have you seen a politician as unconventional as it is take on challengers starting with jeb bush who we knew he had to destroy and he destroyed him as the low energy candidate, the low energy candidate, the low energy conditioned date. have you ever seen a politician be able to do this this and flick away one challenger after another after another? >> well, in his day in ' '92 bi clinton was pretty good at it,
too. but trump is unconventional. he hones the attack. when he started talking about ted cruz and the issue of citizenship it was a little bit "i'm not sure what the facts are but something needs to be looked at." over the weekend i watched his speeches in iowa and he line about how ted cruz is eligible to be prime minister of canada. the crowds really react to that. it puts in sharp relief the point trump is trying to make. now cruz has other problems, he has multiple entities running negative ads against him in iowa but there's no doubt trump once again set his sights on an opponent and has leveled them to a degree that is allowing trump to run the table. >> and we had hillary clinton on "meet the press" and she expressed optimism in spite of bernie sanders' rise and defended her speaking appearances for banks and other groups. take a look. >> coming off of four years as secretary of state in a complicated world people were interested in what i saw, what i
thought, they asked questions about matters that were on their minds, a lot of interest in the bin laden raid, how such a tough decision was made and what i advised the president. i think americans who are doing business in every aspect of the economy want to know more about the world. i think it's a good conversation for people to be having. >> you don't think they expect anything in return? >> absolutely not. i was a senator from new york, i took them on as senator, i took on the carried interest loophole, i took on what was happening in the mortgage markets. i took that on in 2006. they know exactly where i stand and i'll tell you, chuck, it's interesting to me now that karl rove has taken money from the financial interests to taken a ad against me to ask democrats not to support me. why? ask yourself why. he knows, number one, i know what must be done and number, two, i know how to get it done to make sure that wall street writ large -- not just the bank
bus the investment banks, the hedge funds and everybody else -- no longer can wreck our economy the way they did in 2008. >> the banks issue highlight what is some might call hillary clinton's elizabeth warren problem. her speeches and connections to the big banks leave her open the the criticism maybe even more than that. is logic, here, in terms of what has happened about special interests demonstrated by this story from elizabeth warren back in 2004. >> she said "professor elizabeth warren, we've got to stop that awful bill." referring to this bankruptcy bill that's sponsored by the credit card companies. so i left, she went back to washington and i heard later from someone who was a white house staffer that there were skid marks in the hallways when mrs. clinton got back as people reversed direction on that bankruptcy bill. and in her autobiography, mrs.
clinton took credit far vor tha veto and she rightly should. she turned a whole administration on the subject of bankruptcy. >> and then? and then? >> one of the first bills that came up after she was senator clinton was the bankruptcy bill. >> and? >> she voted in favor of it. >> why? >> as senator clinton, the pressures are very different. it's a well-financed industry. a lot of people don't realize that the industry that gave the most money to washington over the past few years was not the oil industry, was not pharmaceuticals, it was consumer credit products. those are the people, the credit card companies have been giving money and they have influence. >> and mrs. clinton was one of them as senator? >> she has taken money from the groups and, more to the point, she worries about them as a constituency. >> well, hillary clinton hasn't released transcripts of her paid speeches to wall street. back in december, 2013, politico
reported the following on a speech she made to goldman sachs. "on a recent afternoon, executives at goldman sachs invited a few hundred major invest tors the c investors to the conrad hotel in lower manhattan. the bankers and their guests filed into a large room and turned their eyes to hunk. ordinarily, these masters of the universe might have groaned at the idea of a politician taking to the microphone but clinton offered a message that plutocrats found reassuring. declaring that the banker bashing so popular within both political parties was unproductive and indeed foolish. striking a soothing note on the global financial crisis, she told the audience in effect "we all got into this mess together and we're all going to have to work together to get out of it." what the bankers heard her say was just what they would hope for from a prospective
presidential candidate. beating up the finance industry isn't going to help improve the economy, it needs to stop. and, indeed, tim o'neil who heads the bank's asset management business introduced clinton by saying how courageous she was by speaking at the bank. brave, perhaps, but also well compensated. clinton's minimum fee for paid remarks is $200,000. joe? >> mika, that was just two years ago, by the way. the elizabeth warren clip was from 2004. this was just two years ago that she was getting paid $225,000 by goldman sachs and as politico reported at the time, maggie haberman, on the trail with her right now, reported that hillary clinton told the bankers exactly what they wanted to hear. ben smith, let me bring you in here. one can get vertigo reading that story and i guess if you're at goldman sachs and you're hearing
that speech, her waving her hand and granting absolution and two years later she's on "meet the press" telling chuck todd she's going to show those bankers a thing or two. >> i think there are moments when hillary clinton feels like she's looking back to the '90s and polling from the new democrat politics that bill clinton ran on in 1992, that rhetoric of we can't blame business, we have to work together, we have to -- it was sort of a reaction to, like 1970s democratic politics which, in some ways, are back, and she's now trying to adjust to, trying to get to the place where elizabeth warren is which is about being very confrontational with the banks but there are moments when it feels like when she's not paying attention that she slips back into this very, very conciliatory pro-business kind of democratic politics that is not of this moment. >> and walter isaacson, obviously what she said in 2013 and got paid a quarter of a million dollars for does not play so well just two years later on the campaign trail. does she risk looking like a hypocrite trying to switch her
position so quickly? >> i think ben is right, that we here in a period where it sort of, in fact -- the democratic base is bashing the banks and i think he's right that she instinctively is somebody who's not anti-business, just like her husband wasn't anti-business. you look at that bankruptcy bill, for example, that now senator elizabeth warren was talking about, that was a compromise after a while of saying well, alimony should not be part of bankruptcy, when you go to credit card bankruptcy, those type of things. she's willing to find a centrist position and maybe that's not going to play well these days, but that's who she is. >> and, walter, that's the real fear from a lot of democrats on wall street right now that want to support hillary clinton. the big sphere that bernie sanders' message may overtake the message not only of hillary but of the entire democratic party and leave them too far left in the general election. >> absolutely. and i think if you see that, if
you see them going too far left and you obviously see the republican party going in a populist direction, that's why you have people like mayor bloomberg and others talking about in the past 40 years we haven't had such an opportunity for an independent candidacy before. there will be people that say there's got to be something that's going to be okay to business and i think it opens a way if that happens to the democratic party for a third party -- third independent to emerge. >> well, here we go, because that's what we're thinking about. everyone loves donald trump for being self-funded and having his own opinion. there's someone else who could have at least the optics of matching him on owning new york city and that would be billionaire michael bloomberg. and there are rumors he might follow suit with what michael was talking about. this from the "new york times" saying he senses an opening even instructing advisors to draw up plans for an independent bid. according to the paper, a bid would likely be contingent on a
ted cruz and bernie sanders nomination and the "times" reports he'd be willing to spend upwards of $1 billion of his own money, that he's retained a consultant and has commissioned one poll and will conduct more to see whether there's a lane for him to run. a morning consult not a hypothetical matchup, bloomberg polling in the low teens against bernie sanders and ted cruz. the picture remains the same when shifted to a bernie sanders and donald trump race. and bloomberg would struggle against hillary clinton and donald trump, the two party's front-runners reacted this weekend to the possibility of a third-party challenger. >> then i'm going to have to deal against hillary if she gount to jail or i'm going to have to deal against bernie or somebody or bloomberg comes in which would be great, i'd love to have him come in because i love the competition, frankly. i'd love bloom fwoerg come in. >> he's a good friend of mine and i'm going to do the best i can to make sure i get the
nomination and we'll go from there. >> so you're not worried about him getting in? >> well, the way i read what he said is if i didn't get the nomination he might consider it. well, i'm going to relieve him of that and get the nomination so he doesn't have to. >> all right. ben? you're reporting on this. >> those of us who have covered bloomberg for years, this story would drive you crazy. his aides constantly floating -- it's great news for his consultants, obviously, because unlike trump, actually, he really is self-financed and really does spend his own money. the thing about bloomberg, though, is he's a pragmatist, he's unromantic and his aproechl -- approach is "can i win. at in 2008 it was if john edwards and mike huckabee get the nomination. >> what do you mean unlike trump he's self-funded. >> while trump is saying he's self-funded he's raising millions in small dollar contributions and spending those.
>> trump is. >> yes. >> like bernie sanders. >> small contributions. >> the bloomberg -- i think, you know, if he sees an opening, and he's not burning with passion to run for president, he's a pragmatist, he think if new york elites get into a room and figure things out, that's the right way to run the country and if he sees people like bernie sanders and trump that if he thinks he can win and there's a path up the middle he might take it. >> joe. >> yeah, a couple thoughts on this. first of all, you can take all of those polls about michael bloomberg and this is something that michael bloomberg himself is not good at doing because he's a data-driven guy. he looks at numbers and makes decisions based on numbers and, yes, that's made him $40 billion or $50 billion. but when it comes to politics, you can't look at those numbers and you can't because donald trump's numbers looked about like that six months ago. now trump is on the cusp of scoring what might be a historic sweep of republican gop primaries and caucuses across
the nation. the second thing, mark halperin, is that the bloomberg -- bloomberg has dipped his toe into the water several times. i understand you worked at bloomberg so it may be hearter for you to report on this. but they -- we've all been around these bloombe berberg bo in the past. i can say for one they are actually taking this far more seriously than they have taken past efforts. what have you heard, first of all, outside of your position in bloomberg, if you can put that chinese wall up. secondly, we heard him jumping in if it was cruz and sanders. would he possibly jump in if it were trump and sanders? >> well, as people know, i worked for michael bloomberg but as is true of me, i've reported on his thinking about running for president for a long time so when i think about this as independent of the fact that he
owns the company for which i work. he is, as ben said, a pragmat t pragmatist. he won't run to make a point if he runs. he won't run if he thinks he's got a sliver of a chance. he would run if he thought he had a chance to bin 270 electoral votes which is hard for any independent under any circumstances. but if you look at the four people most likely to be the major party nominees today -- bernie sanders, donald trump, ted cruz, and potentially weakened or very weak hillary clinton through some combination of running against sanders and perhaps something to do with the e-mail investigation -- there's an opening there for someone with a billion dollars to spend and the profile of competent manager, record of accomplishment in government, taking on special interests. there's a lot of things about his candidacy which is p potentially strong. but it's easy to remant size the prospect of a bid, very difficult to get 270 electoral votes. >> i agree. mayor bloomberg won't in this to
be a ross perot kind of spoiler. if you look at some of the positions he takes, it makes it hard on both sides, i think, if you look at gun control and from the right he'd be seen as a nanny state mayor of new york city. he'd have problems on both sides. do you see a path where he could make a dent in this election? >> there is a path for an independent. the problem for mayor bloomberg if he got in, if it was a trump race versus bernie sanders and he was looking for that path in the middle is what we're watching right now in the republican establish system many of the top donors, the top party officials, are coming around trump and supporting trump. we had senator grassley over the week end in iowa, the iowa republican party chair introduced trump yesterday in muscatine. you get a sense that the republican party months ago was thinking about abandoning trump. now not so much. >> robert costa, ben smith, mark halperin and walter isaacson, thank you all. still ahead on "morning joe," senator rand paul, former governor rick perry and governor
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on friday, jeb bush unveiled a new video with his mother, former first lady barbara bush praising her son's solutions and humility while others talk about how popular they are. donald trump responded quickly writing on twitter "just watched jeb's ad where he desperately needed mommy to help him. jeb, mom can't help you with isis, the chinese war putin." bush tweeted back with a photo of his mother in football pads and added from the trail this, by the way, trump insulted my mother last night. he better be careful. he better be careful. [ applause ]
>> let's bring in msnbc's steve kornacki who joins us now. i don't know, how did that go? >> i would say that's not a bad response from jeb, but i think every time trump has gone after jeb on this, i think he's really -- it's paid off for trump. i don't think people read that as trump attacking barbara bush. i think he was attacking jeb bush for the idea he's relying on his parents and trump has been devastating in going after jeb on that. >> joe, it's just -- i -- seems like jeb should be doing so much better right now. >> yeah, i think so. but i tell you what, though, steve, it goes back to what we said earlier. donald trump knew that jeb bush was the guy he had to beat at the beginning. so he identified him as a low-energy candidate, destroyed him. at least for a while. then it was ben carson who went ahead of him, tore apart his biography, made fun of the belt in the belt buckle speech and the hammer to the head to his
mom, etc., etc., etc. we've just been marveling over the past couple weeks at what he's done when ted cruz went ahead of him and attacked him. he might as well just -- he has everybody singing "oh, canada" every time ted cruz's face goes up and it's sort of gone viral in both parties. it's pretty incredible. >> i don't know. i don't know what stops him at this point, nicolle. these polls? >> there is an article in the "new york times" about how jeb bush, because of the expectations and his media appearances that when people see him on the stump they're incredibly impressed by how fluent he is in policy and how personable he is. so i think that what jeb bush has never succeeded in doing is building a bridge between his campaign trail high energy persona by all accounts of the press that covers him and the image that donald trump painted of him. so i think going after his mom or continuing to pile on at this point if you're in trump's corner you just sort of cheer on the continued bludgeoning of jeb bush but if you're in new hampshire and seeing jeb bush firsthand you certainly believe
he's still alive, at least until voting happens in that state. >> sam stein, nothing is working. >> why are we beating around the bush here? that was objectively a very nasty and cruel and mean thing to say to jeb bush. i feel bad for him. that was really mean of donald trump. >> why is nothing working? that's true. >> for jeb? i don't know, because he's been characterized or caricatured as this weakling by donald trump and also for the same reason that hillary clinton has problems. i mean, let's just be frank about it. the last name is a real burden. especially in the republican party, which doesn't look fondly back at the bush years for government spending and foreign policy purposes but i will add this one other point about what's working for trump beyond being just a bully about this stuff is that for a while people were uncomfortable in republican party and among independents with him as a general election candidate, that he was a clown, couldn't win in the general election. his ability to knock jeb down in the polls, to knock ben carson
down, to go after trued cruz, h reinforced people or assured people that he might be a good general election candidate. so you can see -- >> and some stein -- >> go ahead, joe, it's your show. >> i'm just saying, look, actually at the person he'll probably face or might face in the general election, hillary clinton. she made one offhanded remark to the "des moines register," i think it was, and he made her life and her husband's life a living hell for the next two weeks. you know, it's not a coincidence bill clinton has been walking on eggshells for well over two weeks now. >> absolutely. >> for the first time ever. >> if you're a republican, this is a really important point you're making here, sam. >> thank you. b >> i always look at who my dad would have voted for. he would haven't voted for crazy. donald trump when he got in the race people would say he seems crazy. my dad would say let me get this straight, he took on the most
powerful historic republican dynasty ever and reduced it to ashes. he took on the most popular guy in the republican party, ben carson, and completely destroyed his campaign. he took on hillary and bill clinton who republicans have been cowering at the feet of for 20 years, they can never get the best of. he took care of them in a single instagram post. i'm just -- i'm channeling my dad and it always works. i can always tell. it worked when i figured out mccain was going to win, when i figured how to vote for romney in the madness of 2012. right now guys like my dad would say, okay, he's taken on the biggest political campaign machines in america and he's reduced them to ashes. this guy knows how to get things done. he knows how to make deals and win and i'm going to vote for him. >> there is a huge segment of the electorate that votes pragmatically. by that they look at the choices and say "who do i think can
win?" and that's partially why people favor hillary clinton in the emt the -- democratic party. for trump that was always a hurdle he had to clear. but if you look at the subset of these polls, people now look at him as a more viable general election candidate than they did at the beginning and than they do for a lot of the remaining republican field so your dad is not an out lia out lia lier. >> and none of them has learned from the previous about how to deal with donald trump. hillary clinton has watched it and hasn't learned how to deal with donald trump. and if you're hillary clinton or bernie sanders, you have to learn how to do it if donald trump becomes the nominee. we're one week to iowa. let geese to des moines. joining us there, lynn hicks. the paper endorsed marco rubio and hillary clinton over the weekend. lin, good to see you. you endorsement, you say, voters
in iowa have to choose between the lofty idealism of bernie sanders and the down-to-earth pragmatism of hillary clinton. you at the paper chose hillary clinton. how come? >> well, for a couple reasons. one, as you just eluded to, we're skeptical that bernie sanders will be able to pull off the revolution that he would need to govern effective ly we spent time with both of them, two long interviews with both and it's very clear to us that clinton has the experience, the skills and the knowledge that's necessary for the big challenges. >> what makes you skeptical that bernie sanders can pull off the revolution? >> he's -- washington adds we see it now could not exist and he would have to -- we'd have to -- he knows, he acknowledges that he needs a revolution and not just democratic control of
congress but just the kind of thing that would be needed to enact that kind of agenda. >> mika and i interviewed jeb bush a couple weeks ago in south carolina. we're stunned by his breadth of knowledge on domestic issues but surprisingly on foreign policy issues. i'm curious, what did you not see in jeb bush that you saw in marco rubio? because certainly i think you probably agree with me nobody in the field -- in the republican field seems to have the breadth of only in that jeb brings into every interview he has. >> i would agree with that. we had a great meeting with governor bush. i would agree he has that knowledge and i think iowans are seeing that when they get a chance to listen to him they do see that. but he doesn't seem to have enough time to capture that kind
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but how did washington, d.c. weather the storm this time? >> well, the scare, mika, was a historic blizzard coming into our city and it performed as forecast. over 20 inches of snow, we haven't seen a snow like this in quite a while in washington. we have -- our residents have hunkered down. we had steady snow for 36 hours and yesterday was our big bigout day to start and we know that we're going to be dealing with snow and digging out for if next several days. >> mayor bowser, it's willie geist, i know you're in the mid-le of this so we appreciate you stopping to talk to us. has this been more difficult or less difficult? i know you got a dress rehearsal on wednesday the light dusting but how do you feel like your team has tackled the storm? >> well, i think our team has performed incredibly well. we have government workers and contractors who have been on 12-hour shifts since friday morning and they're doing
incredibly well. we have hit our major arterials and we're into our neighborhoods to get our neighborhood streets up and running as well. >> sam stein has a question. i think it's specifically about his own driveway. [ laughter ] seeing if you can broaden it, that would be great. >> for the record, i don't have a driveway, thank you. two questions, actually. one is what services are being provided by for the home he is from the city who might be completely stranded by what's happening? and unrelatedly, i know the metro system is pretty hampered right now, remaining below ground and running infrequently. why is it taking so long to get that mode of public transportation back online? >> well, thanks for your question. we have looked out for our most vulnerable residents beginning on friday before the storm came in, trying to get everybody inside and we had our street teams and outreach teams working to do that. incredibly, we got a good number
of people in and we're aware of anybody who refused to come in so that we can make sure that they're safe. we opened warming centers in the case that we lost power. we did not lose power so that has been the good news that came out of this storm as well. we were with our metro gm and his staff throughout the storm. they got back up partially so most stations in the district are up and running today. all of the underground stations and they have limit ed bus service as well. now, we have also because of some of our crews that were prepared to tackle downed wires, our director is working with metro to make those crews, any crews that we can pull off once we clear all of our schools available to metro. if snow clearing would help them get the system up more quickly. >> joe? >> well, so mika, it appears
that the mayor is very forward leaning approach on this snow are y resmooufl far different than the late great marion berry who said in the snowstorm "god brung it, god can take it away." >> yeah, that was a different approach. mayor bowser, thank you very, very much for being on. >> thanks, mika. steve kornacki, the politics of snow. there are a lot of different angles to this. chris christie got caught in disneyworld or somewhere but he came home. it seemed almost a little bit begrudgingly. he had to and, boy, is he lucky he did. >> that was in 2010, chris christie was down in orlando when there was a snowstorm. this was interesting, but chris christie fighting for his political strategy in new
hampshire meet as many voters as humanly possible. you get this forecast, initially his campaign was sending out signals they planned to stay in new hampshire for the weekend. he ended up coming back friday. i think it was about 10:00 a.m. yesterday that he basically said okay, it's okay for me to go back to new hampshire. he flew a private plane up there. christie more than anybody, interestingly, his career has sort of been shaped by these major weather events. it was sandy, everybody remembers, and, of course, sandy vaulted him to national popularity, it caused the hug with obama that's given him so much grief on the right. before sandy it was irene, that was when he said "get the hell off the beach." it's funny, joe mentioned marion barry, the 1987 blizzard in washington, d.c., marion barry went out to the super bowl, stayed there for six days, got a manicure, played tennis and said "god can handle it." chris christie joins us so he'll talk to us about that. up next, senator rand paul joins us in new york. just seven days away.
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joining us now republican presidential candidate senator rand paul of kentucky. we are talking about the debates because there is one thursday, you are all getting ready for it, right? >> absolutely. this is crunch time and believe it or not when you are in iowa or new hampshire, a lot of the people are not decided. i mean, you really literally meet people who are, you know, plugged into society, successful in business and they're like, yeah, i have three or four that i'm thinking about and i haven't
decided. >> haven't decided. do we have a sense of how many undecideds still exist in iowa? do we know? >> the last des moines register poll said over 50% of the people who answer in the poll were not firm in their conviction. they were leaning but not firm. >> just explain something to me i think this is an important remind reminder. what is the total number of people who participate in the caucuses and what do the current polls out of iowa look at? >> about 120,000 people typically vote in the iowa caucus, the ones that polls showing trump leading by 20 points, they predict 320,000 people. so they're wrong. they're frankly -- unless all brand new people show up -- >> 200,000 new caucus goers appear this year for the first time in history -- >> we well could wake up and it could be a race that's fairly even and it could be a race where nobody pulls way out from anybody else. the problem if you're one of the underdogs is that the news
coverage is being led by saying it's a one or two-person race and really i think it's still wide open. we just ought to wait. we'd rather the pun dit ri wait until we see some votes. >> what if there's somebody on the fence or undecided. what do you think they don't know about you? >> i'm the only fiscal conservative because i'm willing to look at all spending, military and domestic spending and really most of the republicans in the field are actually liberal on military spending so they are not really fiscally conservative. marco rubio is asking for a trillion dollars in new spending, cruz has gone along with him with $200 billion increase in spending to add to the debt. that's not if i say real conservative. >> senator, we have a debate coming up, a big debate on thursday night which will be three nights ahead of the caucus, a very important night. you may not qualify for that. would you sit out the undercard debate again this time? >> we think we actually do qualify and we're going to keep maintaining that we do. the most recent poll out of iowa had us at 6% which is ahead of
three people who were in the debate the last time including jeb bush and so we are going to continue to argue they need to count the polls correctly and they need to understand what the margin of error is. if someone is at 5.8 and the other person is at 6, it's identical. really the difference between 5 and 8 is identical if the margin of error is 3. we maintain we do qualify, we have a $25 million campaign, err' made 5,000 phone calls in iowa. we think it would be disenfranchising our voters to say he can't be in the debate. we will argue strenuously for inclusion. >> we agree, we think you should be on the stage but if they exclude you will you sit out like you did the last one? >> we will wait and cross that mine stone when we get closer to it. we think by the recent polling we do qualify, we will continue to make that argument to the networks and party. what people need to realize is people sometimes myself included point fingers just at the
networks. the party has been a huge factor in behind the scenes negotiating this criteria. we think it's arbitrary but also damaging tots republican party. if you want to be a bigger party you would want the liberty voters in your party. if they exclude me from the debate i'm the only one talking about military spending, i'm the only one really saying that our military interventions in the middle east have backfired. if they want to exclude that voice, what does that say to the millions of voters who agree with me? >> senator rand paul, thank you very much. good to have you back in the studio. up next, hillary clinton is just about all of the big name endorsements except the one that could turn out to matter the most. we will have more on her so-called elizabeth warren problem. i see what we're getting at here. and one week to the iowa caucuses, we will discuss how donald trump managed to gain 15 points on his closest rifle ted cruz in just two weeks. plus we will have texas governor rick perry join us to explain why he's endorsing
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the people, my people, are so smart. do you know what else they say about my people, the polls, they say i have the most loyal people. did you ever see that? i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters. okay? it's like incredible. >> it's like incredible. good morning. it's monday, january 25th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have former communications director for president george w. bush nicolle wallace. on capitol hill senior political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington
post sam stein. >> and mark halperin. along with willie, joe and me. joe, i stayed in the city over the weekend and i didn't think it was going to be so bad. >> well, why in the world -- mika, why in the world would you think it would be so bad because bill karins said we were going to get 5 to 6 inches, little did he mean was 5 to 6 inches in like the first hour. >> bill karins got me flew the weekend. you rocked this weekend. he was on 24 hours a day. he was so good. i couldn't -- >> yeah. >> it was a once in 20-year storm. it was nuts. >> it was amazing. >> we had 2 inches. >> bill, you really were amazing this weekend. on friday, not so much. what happened? 6 inches ends up being 26 inches. what happened? >> full moon. >> it was as simple -- it was an incredibly tight gradient. just to show you how tight it was the weather service put out a statement from new york city
saying the new york city area had the 26 inches, if you went 20 miles due north of new york city you had 2 inches. >> me, right here. >> we have a friend, a director who works here and he lives in poughkeepsie, a one hour drive north, not a flake. >> i live in connecticut and my son waiting all day to go sledding and ended up sledding on dirt yesterday. he was so bummed out. >> you could have driven somewhere. >> i gave joe a specific forecast. how much did you have at your house, joe? >> you know, i think we had about 6, 7 inches. >> okay. i told you 2 or 3, that's not bad. >> no. >> not too bad, it was pretty good. the operative phrase and i'm going to use this anytime i'm off in the future, so where there was just an incredibly tight gradient. >> there was. >> no, it was -- it was -- it was pretty historic and, mika, you actually were in the city. >> yes. >> and you guys were sort of
strapped but had a great time. >> monitoring why parents in washington, d.c., bill, which got just walloped. >> but they didn't lose power, that was the key. >> they did not lose power. >> bill, let me ask you something. >> yeah. >> so we came up short by i guess a tenth of an inch of the all time biggest storm in the history of new york. as a meteorologist at that point don't you just lie and as the .2 to get the record. >> they take the stuff seriously. down in d.c. the guys measuring the snow messed it up, they lost their ruler in the snow, they decided to be smart to leave it out by the measuring board. they actually have a guy or girl, there is a board and every six hours they go out, they measure it and clear it off. when we give you these totals the stuff you have in the front yard may be lower because the snow exacts a little bit. >> ground up next time, bill. >> i know. >> you were great this weekend. today we are one week away from the iowa caucuses. donald trump could be firmly in control of the state of iowa. a new fox news poll in iowa
shows donald trump at 34%, ted cruz at 23%, a 15-point swing in trump's favor from earlier this month when cruz was leading. marco rubio the only other person in double digits at 12%, but down 3 points. >> and the cbs news yougov tracker iowa poll shows a 14-point swing in the race, trump up 8 points to 39%, cruz is at 34% falling 6 points, rubio, again, the only other candidate in double digits at 13%. that canada stuff, joe, that was debilitating for ted cruz. >> you know, there's going to be, i believe, mark halperin, a moment in time, maybe it's two weeks from now, three weeks from now if things don't turn out well in iowa where ted cruz looks back and asks what he was thinking. he was drafting just fine in second place behind donald trump, he could have set up a possible one-on-one fight down the road after south carolina, but he decided to take him on.
everybody said you have to take trump on, just like they told bush you have to take trump on. since he has taken on donald trump, trump has absolutely pummeled him, just picked him apart bit by bit. he started with canada, then it was goldman sachs, then on the same day that the establishment was destroying him in iowa with terry branstad he had sarah palin. for good or bad or equal trump has so dominated the news agenda and has completely wiped out cruz's momentum, down 4 in one poll, down 6 in another. my gosh, we're going to be moving beyond iowa in a second, but in new hampshire, south carolina, georgia, across america, trump is posting massive leads. >> well, joe, on this side of the ledger you're talking about there is no doubt cruz taking on trump and being pummeled by lots of other people on paid television ads in iowa there is no doubt that cruz is not where
he would want to be in iowa. on the other side of the ledger he still has more money than anybody in the race except for trump's bank account, he still has lots of states post new hampshire and even in new hampshire where he is also strong. while he is now second to trump by almost every measure nationally and in iowa, he's still the most competitive with trump going past these early states. so somebody is going to be in the finals against trump, at this point cruz still the most likely. >> all right. >> willie geist, is he the choice because you can either not attack trump and have people call you weak and go after trump and have happen to you what happened to rick perry, what happened to jeb bush, what happened to ben carson, what happened to hillary clinton and now what's happened to ted cruz. if you are in donald trump's way, he figures out a way to find your weakness and tear you to shreds. >> that's the difficulty. it's not like ted cruz went out of his way looking to pick a fight with donald trump, donald trump sort of raised this
birther question about canada. i should point out not a lot of help from people who were not donald trump, from john mccain, from nancy pelosi, from claire mccaskill, all those people fanned the flames and said, yeah, maybe there is a question about whether or not he is eligible to be president. if that left one kernel of doubt in an iowa voter or new hampshire voter's mind it will have been worth it for donald trump to have laid that issue on the table. for a little while step back from it, let other people get on top of it and he since has picked up on it. ted cruz had to respond in some way, i don't think he went looking for a fight but trump gave him one. >> boy, he really did. mika, you have iowa, it's where donald trump was supposed to lose, everybody said donald trump was going to lose there for a while. nate silver now magically the witch craft that is 538 is now saying nothing good was going on there, now has magically --
>> i thought -- >> he has a 55% chance of winning now. >> okay. >> but he will probably say there is an incredibly tight radiant and that's why he's been as dead wrong on sports and politics this year as he has. >> mika, we move beyond iowa. cruz has to win iowa. trump doesn't have to win iowa. if he does it's over. but you move on to new hampshire and south carolina and we get some new polls in there, too, that actually seems to be even worse news for the field. >> we will show you that, but just to let you know donald trump spent the night, i believe, in a holiday inn express. >> he did. >> in sioux city, iowa. >> quote, good mattress. >> good mattress, clean. can you imagine if this was mitt romney -- i don't know, everything he does is backwards. >> mitt romney spent a lot of nights at holiday ins, too. >> he had a car elevator and we all went crazy. i think my point is the world is upside down. let's go to new hampshire. donald trump more than doubles ted cruz there, 31% to 14% in
the fox news poll, rubio at 13%, case i can at 9%, jeb bush and chris christie at 7. the cbs yougov poll also finding trump doubling cruz in new hampshire, 34% to 64%, rubio 14, case i can at 10. the latest reuters national tracking poll trump nearly quad rules his opposition, 41% to cruz's 11%, carson at 10, bush at 9, rubio at 7. >> let's hold that up. let's hold that up for a second. nicolle, you know, willie and i have been saying six months, five months, four months, but it's two months, but it's one month. we're one week away from the first pitch of the opening game which may end up being the most important game for everybody and donald trump is ahead in the national poll 41% to 11% to 10% to 9% through bush, 7% for rubio. can we actually start saying
that this guy may be extraordinarily dominant in the republican field? are we still looking for those asterisks? i'm not talking about you, i'm talking about the establishment everybody. >> not only is he completely dominant and has he been now for close to six months, but there's this sort of story line out there that if only the establishment has co lessed behind one of them, if you add up the entire chunk of poll numbers for all of the establishment candidates you don't arrive at half of donald trump's poll numbers. take that fantasy one step further and say just one of them had stayed in, add up the support that they all garner and it's still not even half of trump's. and in the national poll the three outsiders, trump, cruz and carson i think get 62% and the establishment guys added all together barrel get 20. >> let's go to the democrats side. a lot happening over the weekend. bernie sanders leading by the narrow west of margins in iowa,
just 1%, but in new hampshire he expands his lead to nearly 20 points. in south carolina the shoe is on the other foot, clinton up by 22 points and hillary clinton may get a shot in the arm with two high profile endorsements over the weekend, one from the des moines register and the other from "the boston globe." both clinton and sanders barn stormed iowa over the weekend, sanders was defiant of recent attacks from the clinton campaign saying they were running a desperate campaign, lacking excitement, and he fought back these comments from former president bill clinton. >> we got to tell people who think they may be lured by people that this other guy is madder than she is. and that feels authentic. and besides the slogans are easier to say. and i say that in no disrespect,
i admire that. >> he was hasomewhere, i think i believe in nevada, you know, and he said bernie sanders is angry. and it's true. i plead guilty. i am angry. i am angry and millions of americans are angry. we are angry that our people are working longer hours for low wages. we are angry that our criminal justice system is broken. and we're angry that we have a corrupt campaign finance system that allows billionaires to buy elections. >> joe, the same -- similar response that donald trump had to nikki haley. yes, yes, we're angry. >> you're damn right i'm angry and it was just a powerful moment for bernie sanders. i mean, bill clinton got the laugh lines, but, sam stein, you don't have to be a political expert to know who is in a
better position there. the establishment candidate der riding the outsider for saying he's angry or the outsider saying, yeah, do you know what, i am angry. it's like a softball pitch. i mean no disrespect to bill clinton, i really don't, and i'm not talking about him generally, but specifically in that scene when i hear those words coming out of a politician's mouth i know i'm listening to a loser. i'm listening to somebody that is losing that that's saying, oh, they have better slogans, they have better this and their polls may be a little higher now or they may be more angry. i mean, i've heard that form of that speech a thousand times and it's never good for the one giving it. >> no. you said it was a softball, it was. i mean, it played right into bernie's message, it couldn't have been delivered by a better person for bernie, either, a former president, someone who has gotten fairly wealthy after his presidency, the most establishment figure in the democratic party.
i think the contrast was clear. but the problem i think for bernie and trump is that they are quite reliant on turning out voters that either, a, haven't come and turned out before in trump's case or, b, in bernie's case tend to be much more young than the traditional democratic voter. if you look at any of the polls on the democratic side he is doing exceptionally well with young voters but they aren't the most reliable people in the world. the good thing for bernie if he does win in one or both of these two states the fire hose of money and support that will come to him post winning will be immense and he can maybe translate that into something incredibly fortuitous for his campaign. it will challenge -- i know you put up the south carolina numbers and she does have a significant advantage in south carolina, but you can see where he is just bringing in millions of dollars on a weekly basis just online and building a really robust post new hampshire campaign.
it becomes a drawn out primary fight which we never anticipated. >> a big show still to come on "morning joe." we will look into the vault to explain why some comments elizabeth warren made years ago can continue to create problems for hillary clinton today. governor rick perry joins us with big news, why he is endorsing fellow texan ted cruz for president. after going home to deal with another historic storm, chris christie is back on the trail. he is already back in new hampshire and we will talk to him in just a bit. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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complicated world people were interested in what i saw, what i thought, they asked questions about matters that were on their minds, a lot of interest in the bin laden raid, how such a tough decision was made and what i advised the president. i think americans who are doing business in every aspect of the economy want to know more about the world. i actually think it's a good conversation. >> you don't think -- you don't think they expect anything in return? >> absolutely not. you know, first of all, i was a senator from new york, i took them on when i was senator, i took on the carried interest loophole, what was happening in the mortgage markets. i was talk being that in 2006. they know exactly where he stand and i will tell you, chuck, it's really interesting to me that now karl rove has taken money from the financial interests to run an ad against me to try to influence democrats not to support me. why? ask yourself why. because he knows, number one, i know what must be done and number two, i know how to get it
done to make sure that wall street at large, not just the banks but the investment banks, hedge funds and everybody else no longer can wreck our economy the way they did in 2008. >> you know, nicolle, the thing that so many people don't understand, nicolle, is she's getting $225,000 per speech for 45 minutes or so. they are not doing that because they like her or she's worth that much. they're doing that because they want, as george stephanopoulos said, they want access. also the other thing that's so vexing, we've talked about before, the clintons are worth $100 million at this point when she's giving these speeches and getting paid $225,000 for a 45-minute speech from a financial institution. she knows when she's giving that speech and getting a $225,000 check from goldman sachs and $225,000 check from fidelity and $225,000 check from bank of america, a $225,000 check from all these wall street interests
that she's going to run for president and it's going to be an issue. for the life of me i can't figure out why someone worth $100 million would do that. >> well, here is the problem, everything that i know about how modern political warfare goes down i learned from watching her husband's operation, that perception is reality, that, you know, you don't make decisions that can be used as a blujen against you. so the fact that her judgment -- these aren't old speeches, these are speeches that she gave -- these were the things she did, these were the strategic decisions she made immediately before running for president. so her judgment was so clouded it either speaks to a complete obliviousness about the person she was going to run against, that it seemed to me it was always a risk, that somebody with elds's politics and recorded on wall street was going to bring a great challenge to her from the left. the fact she was so arrogant she thought this wouldn't be a
liability speaks to her judgment and she's reaping what she sowed now. >> mika, the problem with is her argument also is that the banks and money interests actually did know how she acted when she was senator and the fact is that she viewed herself as a senator from wall street and a clip with elizabeth warren shows that. >> well, she even said on "meet the press" that she's strong enough to sort of push back against anybody, even people who paid her, but the banks -- the banking issue highlights what i guess some would call hillary clinton's elizabeth warren problem. her speeches and connections to big banks leaving her open to criticism about special interests. would she or would she not cave to them as demonstrated by this story from elizabeth warren herself back in 2004. >> she said, professor warren, we've got to stop that awful bill, referring to this bankruptcy bill that's sponsored by the credit card companies.
so i left, she went back to washington and i heard later from someone who was a white house staffer that there were skid marks in the hallways when mrs. clinton got back as people reversed direction on that bankruptcy bill. and in her autobiography mrs. clinton took credit for that veto and she rightly should. she turned around a whole administration on the subject of bankruptcy. she got -- >> and then -- and then -- >> one of the first bills that came up after she was senator clinton was the bankruptcy bill. >> and? >> she voted in favor of it. >> why? >> as senator clinton the pressures are very different. it's a well-financed industry. a lot of people don't realize that the industry that gave the most money to washington over the past few years was not the oil industry, was not pharmaceuticals, it was consumer credit products. those are the people, the credit card companies, have been giving
money and they have influence. >> and mrs. clinton was one of them, a senator. >> she has taken money from the groups and more to the point she worries about them as a constituency. >> so, willie, there are candidates in this race -- it's incredible -- who just don't have this problem. that this would never -- it would never happen. >> well, it's a problem of her own making. it's a problem of her own making, mark halperin. you talk to the same people i do. if you ask people on wall street they feel comfortable with hillary clinton as president. i think they feel like she's pragmatic, not the populist that some of her rhetoric suggests she is, if she's elected president she will be just fine. >> there's a comfort level there and bernie sanders is taking advantage of that every time someone from wall street said what you just said, sanders uses that as leverage. president obama, there was an article in the "new york times" got a lot of attention about how he and some of his aids seem to
be tilting towards hillary clinton. you have other voices in the democratic party, joe biden we talked about a few weeks ago speaking out in a way that seemed to tilt towards sanders, elds same thing. bernie sanders is not alone now in this fight. he is doing a skifl job of consolidating not just the passion for change but the anti-clinton sentiment that exists in a certain part of the party and he is proving to be a more skillful and aggressive politician than he seemed just a couple months ago. coming up on "morning joe," former governor of texas rick perry is throwing his support to his fellow texan, senator ted cruz or as the show friday night lights would put it. >> tks forever. >> tks forever. >> governor terry joins us ahead and governor chris christie is also ahead on "morning joe." i think it landed last tuesday. one second it's there. then, woosh, it's gone. i swear i saw it swallow seven people. seven. i just wish one of those people could have been mrs. johnson.
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listen, i don't know whether that's true or not. but it's pretty amazing to say it, isn't it? that i could shoot someone -- now, of course, he will come back and say, i was only kidding, it was a joke, why can't people take a joke, but there has been enough of these things over a period of time that i understand people want to go vent anger, i'm angry, too. i want to burn washington down. folks in new hampshire need to understand that, you know, you need to have your vote with all due respect be more than just an expiration of anger. it can be both. it can be an expression of anger
and a commitment to someone who can actually do something about the things that are making you angry. you think you're angry now? then you wait until four years of hillary clinton, man. we nominate the wrong person we can find up having four more years like the eight years we just had except worse. >> that was governor chris christie yesterday responding to donald trump saying he could shoot someone and still keep support. governor christie joins us just ahead. also ahead he's been out of the race since september and now just one week before the iowa caucuses former texas governor rick perry is throwing his support behind a yellow texan who is running for canadian prime minister. rick perry joining us live straight ahead.
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endorsement for president of a fellow texan. sir, why don't you take it away. who are you endorsinendorsing? >> mika, good to be with you. thank you. senator cruz and i have spent some quality time together over the course of the last 60 days and i really didn't know ted cruz, he was the solicitor general, i was the governor, i had a care kick tour of him, here is what the media said, here was the media narrative, here was the political lens that i saw him through and what i found after i spent some time with him both in direct conversation and then on the phone over the course of the last month is this is a different person by a substantial margin. this is probably the best listener that i have ever been around in the political world. truly listens, he is not just being quiet, he's processing. >> i don't think people on capitol hill thinks he listens very much. i don't think he's popular on
capitol hill, i'm wondering if it's lonely on that island you are on. >> courage isn't something he's a lacking in. mika, i will remind you back my first term as governor, my first session as governor i vetoed 82 bills which was a record. people say you have ruined your political life, it's all over with, you can't get along with the house and senate, but what it was doing, it was setting a marker so that people understood this is what i believe in and if we will work together and not go outside the bounds of this then, you know, i can work with you. i think the senator was doing the same thing. from time to time you've got to hit the mule up the side of the head with a 2 x 4 to get its attention. >> it's not a morning with the governor from texas without a mule reference. i remember your speech -- >> or a donkey reference. >> exactly. >> -- with add mirror operation for his courage and the risk you took. you took on donald trump in the fall, you called him a cancer on conservatism and i wonder if
today's endorsement of senator cruz is more a rejection and a continued protest against trump or are you really enthusiastic about cruz? >> i'm really enthusiastic about this man, ted cruz. he will be ready to be commander in chief on day one, as a former air force pilot, as a person who has a real passion for the veterans and the active duty military, we talked about that a lot. we talked about his understanding that america's interests have to be protected, that our allies have to be stood up for around the world, but that we are not in the nation building business. we are not going to be going out, getting involved in places in the world. and ted understands that better than -- as well as anyone on the right, let me put it that way. and he understands and he knows what he doesn't know. i can't tell you what a virtue that is for an individual that's going to be the commander in chief. our government is incredibly complex. he will have people around him
who truly understand all of these different aspects of government, empower them and allow them to go and drive and evolve that power back out of washington, d.c. he understands the tenth amendment. he is not interested in consolidating more power in washington, d.c. push it back out to the states, let this country get back to being this powerful competitive place where the states compete against each other and people will figure out where they want to go live and this one size fits all government we can get away from. >> governor rick perry thank you for coming on the show this morning. >> good to be with you. joining us from portsmouth, new hampshire, where i hear we have another delay issue, which is unbelievable, republican presidential candidate governor chris christie. so, chris, i'm going to ask you why rick perry is wrong in your estimate, but first are you glad you came home? >> oh, sure. there was never any question for me, mika, whether i was going to come home or not if the storm was going to be a significant
one. i know maybe shocking to some folks but every once in awhile the weather people get it wrong. by 11:00 on friday morning i was convinced it was going to be a significant storm and there was no other place i was going to be so i got in the car, got right back to new jersey before the first flake of snow hit the ground. we managed it, we managed it very well, the folks did a great job in new jersey, everyone is back to work this morning and all is well. >> all right. so let's talk about new hampshire where you are now, back on the trail. what's it like out there? i know your crowds are great. i hear incredible things about your events, but at this point one week away how do you stop your supporters from being discouraged when we look at the poll results? >> because my supporters have never been about the polls. if they were they wouldn't have been with me in the first place. so, you know, what our supporters are about is picking the person who is the best person to be the nominee to prosecute the case against hillary clinton and win the presidency for the republican party. anybody who looks at these polls
have seen the extraordinary variation in them, not only for me but lots of the other candidates. so, you know, we will just wait to see what happens. it will be a real relief to not have to hear about polls every day a week from today because actually people are going to start to vote and that's what really matters. >> governor, your closing message seems to be wrapping yourself in this anger that i know you have heard from on the campaign trail but i wonder if you think that you waited too long to go toe to toe with donald trump in terms of trying to grab these anger voters. >> no. nicolle, that's what you guys get to do is to sit around and monday morning quarterback our strategy. i understand that, that's fine, but the fact is i had a lot of work to do to establish myself with the republican primary electorate as somebody who, you know, they thought would be the best person to take on hillary clinton. not donald trump. but i know the media has a donald trump obsession and all of you talk about him, you know,
every day over and over and over again. that's fine. that's what helps to drive where he is in the polls. so i'm not worried about my strategy and no one else should be, either. we will see how it goes when people actually start to vote. >> all right. let's take it to sam stein. sam. >> hey, governor. just back to the storm quickly. there are some critics in your state and elsewhere who do wonder why you are back up in new hampshire so early. i know there is some flooding damage in the southern part of your state, clearly a lot of residual damage from the storm. what do you say to those critics who say why did you go back up to new hampshire so quickly? >> sam, i don't even know what critics you're talking about. there is no residual damage, there is no residual flooding damage. all the flooding receded yesterday morning. and there was no other damage. people were driving around the streets yesterday morning of new jersey. this is just what they wish would have happened. unfortunately for them we know how to do this. we managed the storm extraordinarily well, new jersey transit was back at noon yesterday after the storm, our roads were all open as of 7:00
a.m. yesterday and so, you know, i think that's just folks who want to criticize me for anything that i do. i have not heard any of that criticism, i haven't seen any of that criticism and i think you are just making it up. >> what was your reaction when you heard that bloomberg might jump in? just curious. >> listen, so it really doesn't matter to me, i have to tell you the truth. my view on this is i like mike bloomberg, i worked with him well when he was mayor, he was a very good mayor, but nobody should be evaluated or reacted to until they stop talking and actually start doing. everybody can talk about running for president. let him -- if he gets in, then we will deal with him when he gets in, but until that time i don't want to spend more time talking about, you know, people who are not in the race. >> we will know a lot more in just about seven or eight days. governor chris christie, thank you very much for being on the show, we will talk to you soon. delay. delay. delay.
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secretary -- >> is that a no? secretary clinton, will you release the transcript of your goldman sachs speeches? >> that's what hillary clinton had to say on friday when asked if she would release transcripts of her paid speeches to goldman sachs. the website the intercept asked her the question after hillary clinton spoke at a town hall in manchester, new hampshire. sam stein, is that fair, do you think? to ask for transcripts of speeches that she made to banks? >> i mean, i think it's all fair. i think presidential candidates -- >> sometimes i guess isn't that stuff off the record? but what's off -- i don't know. i'm asking what do you think? should she? >> i'm of the mindset that us in the media should at all times demand transparency at all times. if that includes transcripts from paid for speeches i think they are a valuable public interest. i don't think you're going to get good answers on road blinds like that, i'm not surprised me ducked the question. there is a bigger issue here
that we're ducking, which is she has this concept of how to change washington and how to change the financial sector that is diametrically different than bernie. he says you've got to bring wall street to its knees with the shear will and power of the revolution, she says i can work with people to bring about incremental change. that's the big gate. those transcripts for goldman sachs could illuminate what she wants to do and how she wants to do it. i think it's valuable to have in the public view in from the reporting in "politico" from what was said to goldman sachs and executives and major players who were in the room it sounds like she said what they wanted to hear but not necessarily what most of americans -- >> but this is my thing because, like, she might have said what they wanted to hear. i want to go off the policy papers and prescription and then ask the question how does sh he get from point a to point b and can she do it by being cozy or cozier with goldman sachs than
bernie sanders and can he do it by not talking to them at all? >> i think the fact that she stood there and laughed. i mean, donald trump has relationships on wall street, he is not paying a price in his primary. it's that instead -- every time she is given an opportunity to strip herself down and say look at my record and listen to what i'm going to do her first reaction is always to hold the questioner at arm's length and she's paying a price for that i agree completely. sam, her policy papers to what point do you want to look at those? to what end? if you take, for example, the story that elizabeth warren told about her basically do whatever she needed to do to get that veto from president bill clinton of a bankruptcy bill that then when she was elected senator she voted for, that's all you need to know. then what are you reading on a policy paper that you're actually going to believe? >> well, a policy paper is done to set a benchmark of where she wants to go. >> but why would we think that she's going to go there? >> because that's the place
where voters can hold you accountable. they can say this is what you promised and you this is what you delivered. now, the question facing democrats is how do you get from point a to point b. and this is the fundamental question of this election on the democratic side of the aisle. can you do it through outside gain, which is what bernie sanders is saying, or do you need someone who is an inside operative like hillary clinton. clinton has the added vulnerability that she is close to these people, they are more persuasive to her, maybe she would be redirected from her policy paper and that's why the elizabeth warren video is so damaging. it's because it says when they do have her ear she listens to them and they can take her away from the places she wants to go. >> but it's her own fault that that's damaging is my only point. >> absolutely. >> she has the opportunity to turn it into an asset, to say i can bring wall street to their knees and make us help us, i can do things that you can't do when you are in a combative posture
with them like bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. instead of turning it into an i a set, something that she brings that no democrat -- people used to like business friendly democrats, people like that about bill clinton, that's how he had approval ratings in the 60s during most of his presidency. people trusted him to grow the economy. the fact that she has squandered this opportunity and turned this into a gaping wound for herself is her own fault. >> let's turn to business before the bell with consumer's sara eisen. sara, what are you watching this morning? >> it looks like u.s. stocks will come under more selling pressure today after two back to back gains for the market last week, still january brutal for wall street. we're looking at the worst month for stocks since back in 2011. we will get a lot of earnings this week, especially from technology players, apple tomorrow, facebook wednesday, amazon and microsoft on thursday and then there is a big central bank decision wednesday, the federal reserve will be releasing a statement, will they acknowledge the recent market turmoil. speaking of technology i did
want to mention twitter. interestingly twitter is being left behind in this technology revolution. we use it in the media, key politicians and celebrities use it, but wall street does not like this stock. this stock has been absolutely hammered, it's at a record low, they brought back the old ceo and founder jack dorsey last year and since then the stock is down 40%. today we learn that the exodus continues. four top executives will be leaving voluntarily and twitter is said to be announcing some new board members. so this is a company that's facing serious existential questions about how they grow user growth, get to numbers like facebook with a billion people, they are only at 230 million, they need to become more ubiquitous and more importantly for wall street how they will attract advertisers in the way that facebook has and how they can get valued as a tech company that is changing the world like amazon and facebook and google and some of these other companies. that's going to be a key question for twitter. so far i can tell you that wall street is very pessimistic.
the only other corporate story i wanted to mention for you guys because it does involve politics and i assure you it will come up on the campaign trail, multi-billion dollar merger today between johnson controls and ake co, two manufacturing firms, the key here this is a tax inversion deal. with the merger they are going to change their head quarts or domicile to ireland because of u.s. corporate tax rates, the highest in the developed world at 35%. they will save a lot of money by moving the headquarters, even president obama has turned these deal unpatriotic and treasury tries to stop it, corporate america continues to do this. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. now to an update on a manhunt that is under way for three inmates who escaped from a maximum security jail in santa an at that, california. the inmates were discovered missing from the orange county central men's jail around 9:00 p.m. friday night. the three men were jailed op charges ranging from murder to kidnap and torture.
investigators believe the inmates escaped by cutting through steel bars and plumbing ducts. they then made it to the roof of the jail and repelled down using make shift rope believed to be made of sheets. a $50,000 reward is being offered for any information leading to their capture. we will be following that story of course. a new video released by isis appears to show footage of the men who carried out the terror attacks in paris last november. according to the "new york times" the men are shown in syria and iraq prior to the paris terrorist attacks, seen beheading and shooting captives. it shows the planning of the events headed it up to the terror group. the attacks killed 130 people. salah abdeslam the only living member of the paris attack team who is still on the run is not seen in the video. also this morning really sad
news. four-star air force general william young smith has passed away. he graduated from the u.s. military academy at west point in 1948, in 1952 the fighter jet he was piloting over north korea was hit by anti-aircraft fire, he landed his plane and was rescued by a u.s. helicopter and would spend the next nine months in the hospital, it was his 97th and last combat mission, he taught for years at des west point and got a doctorate at harvard. he passed away at his virginia home last week, he and his wife were closest of closest friends with my parents from well before i was born. he was such a nice guy and he will be missed. we will be right back. time lapse video from washington, d.c. shows the snow
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york. up first this morning, much of the eastern seaboard is struggling to dig out after that weekend blizzard punished the region with as much as 3 feet of snow? some areas, leaving at least 30 dead. crews are working feverishly to clear highways and runways from d.c. to new york. and the effects are still being felt across the country. airlines trying to resume operations at several airports are flights were completely halted leading to more than 12,000 flight cancellations since friday. so far hundreds of flights have already been canceled for today. public transit and train service also resuming in many areas this morning, amtrak is operating a reduced number of train services. some of the blizzard's heaviest snow fell over the new york city and long island areas. in fact, more than 26 inches fell in central park making it new york's second biggest winter storm on record and it may not be over. we're watching another system that could potentially take aim at the northeast later this