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as we age, certain nutrients longer than ever. become especially important. from the makers of one a day fifty-plus. one a day proactive sixty-five plus. with high potency vitamin b12 and more vitamin d. hello, everyone, i'm tamron hall live in manchester, new hampshire, just six days ahead of the first in the nation's primaries. before that happens, hillary clinton and bernie sanders will debate one on one for the first time in election season. as for today, 32 events in 12 hours, it is a crowded wednesday to say the least. already today, controversial language from governor chris christie on hillary clinton saying, quote, i beat her rear end on that stage and afterward she'll be relieved that i didn't serve her with a subpoena.
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that is not the only tough rhetoric going around today. take a listen. >> it's time for him to man up and step up. >> i think it's been a tough couple days for chris and for some of the other guys. >> what kind of people do we have running for office? >> he's extraordinary about making fun of others to make himself look strong. >> jeb bush there making a claim who his main target is that's backed up by his new two-minute online ad called turn off trump. >> donald trump has a woman problem. >> where i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i won't lose any voters. okay? >> i'm sick and tired of politicians that find ways to disparage people to make themselves look strong. >> meanwhile, donald trump is calling for nullification of the iowa results, and senator rand paul has suspended his campaign. msnbc's hallie jackson, gabe ambiguigutierrez and kelly o'do.
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sanders is in little rock, arkansas. let's get things started with hallie. ted cruz's campaign, he's certainly taking a victory lap from iowa, but that is the past. this is now. >> yep. >> we know the history of iowa as it relates to picking the president, but new hampshire certainly plays a pivotal role. how does he transition this into a one-two punch. what's the strategy you're hearing? >> reporter: so the strategy basically tamron is to get out here and do the sort of boots on the ground politics that ted cruz does so often and that donald trump doesn't necessarily do. trump takes a different tactic with those big 5,000 person rallies. cruz will gather maybe 60 or 100 people in a smaller venue like this. people are coming in right now, they're signing up, grabbing their cruz signs, getting their e-mails put down so the campaign can reach out to them to make sure they vote. cruz trying to get out here and
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probably won't overtake donald trump. it might be tough for any candidate to do that given the lead, donald trump at 38%, cruz in second place way back 14% and then you've got the establishment candidates bunched up right in that same area. cruz is also continuing his strategy of maybe taking it to trump a little bit. you heard donald trump come after him online. the campaign responding to some of these trump attacks on twitter by saying that reality has hit the reality star. since iowa, a spokesperson said no one is talking about donald trump. that's why he's popping off on twitter then suggesting tamron, that perhaps donald trump should check into a twitter addiction therapy group. so, cruz, his campaign, dealing with donald trump on the ground here. cruz looking at these smaller slice of evangelical voters here in new hampshire. it's typically about maybe, 20, 22% unlike the 60% in iowa. he's also looking at that libertarian vote, something that may get a little easier for him now that rand paul is out of the race. >> and hallie, you mentioned ted
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cruz saying donald trump has this addiction to twitter. when you look at his twitter account right now, the last three or four tweets are about his main rival, ted cruz. but this notion of calling iowa a fraud, wanting the nullification based on allegations from not only donald trump but from ben carson's campaign, what specifically is ted cruz? is he basically brushing this off his shoulders and looking at new hampshire? >> right. so two things to talk about here and to be clear the suggestion about the addiction therapy group was from a spokesperson, not cruz himself. we'll hear from cruz in a couple hours or less. but the idea that donald trump is attacking him on stems from two different parts. one are these mailers that ted cruz's campaign sent out to folks in iowa, these social pressure mailers that says, hey, all your neighbors do or don't vote which means you should, too. with cruz, though, he sort of made it look like an official document. cruz got slapped on the wrist by
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the iowa secretary of state for that, but the campaign says it's a common practice pointing to republican mailers back in 2014 that were also sent out in iowa. so trump, that is one of the attack lines he's got. the other one is this back and forth with ben carson. after carson said he was going to head to florida after the iowa caucuses and not new hampshire or south carolina, the cruz campaign informed their grass roots leaders who then informed the folks on the ground in the caucuses, the cruz campaign is apologized for not later clarifying that carson was not dropping out of the race but carson's team not happy with that, implying that ted cruz is showing his, quote, washington values a little dig as you know as ted cruz and donald trump go back and forth on new york values. >> all right, hallie, thank you very much. speaking more of donald trump, he is now certainly focussed on the iowa caucuses, and in the tweet i referenced, he wrote, ted cruz didn't win iowa. he stole it. that is why all of the polls
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were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. bad. msnbc's gary sanders is in little rock where donald trump is campaigning tonight. you know, some people might say donald trump needs to take a lesson from "frozen" and let it go already. it's interesting, he is in arkansas and not in new hampshire. what's the deal with his strategy? >> reporter: well, we'll talk a little bit for a moment of why he is coming here, but let's go back a little more to this twitter, tamron, because the twitter war back and forth seems to be getting heated, even more and more. we heard what hallie jackson had to say say. ted cruz is stepping into the twitter war tit for tat. let's look expanding more on those mailers and also on ben carson. today, donald trump put out a tweet that says, many people voted for cruz over carson because of this cruz fraud. also, cruz sent out a voter violation certificate to thousands of voters. so, what happens ted cruz now responds saying, bernie is
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contesting iowa results, maybe donald should go back to iowa and join the dems. bet they would love. so back and forth, clearly twitter is taking on a more important role, fewer characters, very short sentences, so obviously very pointed at one another. tamron? >> all right, it is pointed, but let's talk quickly about, again, arkansas. why donald trump has set his sights on that state. we know he anticipates this huge surge, particularly in the south where he has seen tens of thousands -- i should say thousands, excuse me, of people show up to some of his rallies, carey. >> well, they're expecting maybe 10,000 here today and of course it's a good question. why come to arkansas now. this isn't until march 1st. but as you take a look at what's taking place in some states and specifically at arkansas, the gallup poll came out today and it shows the conservative nature of states. as we look at this map, you can see, well, right after we look at idaho and alabama up next is
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arkansas. arkansas is the third most conservative state. and so, as you look across the country, you can see for the first time what we really have taking place is in the first time in eight years, 20 states are now soldly republican or leaning towards republican, which is compared to 14, which are soldly democrat or leaning towards democrat. coming here, this is an open primary state, so people will be able to go and actually cast their ballot on one side or the other when they go that night, donald trump thinks let me get ahead. you know it's all been about the failed ground game in iowa. here he believes he may have a ground game and one of the big issues that all of the republicans will be fighting over will be appealing to people on gun ownership rights and whether gun rights are something that donald trump, ted cruz, marco rubio and they all say they believe in it, but that will be, i suspect, we'll hear donald trump here today talking about gun rights. tamron? >> all right, kerry, thank you very much.
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that leads us to today's microsoft pulse question. can donald trump regain his momentum when he hits here in new hampshire? can he pull out a victory in the pulse is live cast your vote now. we'll share the results for you throughout the show. it's the hot question there. turning now to marco rubio, who is third in the latest polling out of new hampshire. as we speak, senator rubio is holding a town hall inially con ya, new hampshire. let's check in with gabe gutierrez who is there right now covering the campaign. so, gabe, what's the message this morning from senator rubio? >> hi, there, tamron. good afternoon. marco rubio is really stressing that he is the most electable candidate here. he is really staying above the fray. he has been the target from many of the attacks from the so-called candidate establishments. jeb bush taking out a full-page ad in the local paper. and chris christie calling him the boy in the bubble. marco rubio is about to take questions from the audience.
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this, of course; going against the criticism that chris christie said that this rubio was too scripted. he was too rehearsed. couldn't stand the tough questions. this is the second of three town halls today. rubio actually just spoke with reporters a short time ago. here is some of what he had to say. >> we're going to work hard everywhere we go to get as many votes as possible. we feel good about where that leads us. in the end, our goal and our plan is we're going to have won more delegates than anybody else and half the delegates and it will make us the republican snom knee and i feel good about it. >> again, he is trying to stay above the fray here. saying this is a three-person race in the republican field between himself, donald trump and ted cruz. and he's also saying that he's best positioned to take on bernie sanders and hillary clinton in this race. tamron, back to you. >> all right, gabe, thank you very much. let's continue our coverage now to the town hall that's about 50
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miles south of the raymond, new hampshire, that is where john kasich is holding his event. he's low in a lot of polls, but we often forget "the new york times" endorsed him. kelly o'donnell is standing by. kelly, i think i mentioned this earlier this morning, the first thing i saw when i landed near the hotel here was a huge john kasich bus. he certainly wants to leave an impression on this state and he's certainly here to come out at least in the top three. >> reporter: that is an absolute goal for the governor and hi is doing one of his town hall meetings right now, taking questions from voters here. there's been a little humor and policy and an emotional teary moment when talking about disabled children and some of their rights and concerns as a policy question. so for john kasich, new hampshire is really everything. before this event earlier today we had a chance to sit down, have a conversation about where he stands in the race and the stakes here are very high.
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>> if i get smoked here, it's over. then i go home. but i don't think that's going to happen. we are prepared to move very quickly. you have to remember something, kelly, people didn't think i would get in. they didn't think i would raise the money. they didn't think i would be able to debate. they didn't think i would make it to new hampshire. all those things have happened. i've always been underestimated and i've always ended up being that little engine that just keeps on going. >> reporter: so what's sort of a cheerful spirit, he also was doing impression of arnold schwarzenegger here for some advice that the former california governor and the actor gave to governor kasich when there is some of that hard stuff that comes with campaigning, some of the critiques, some of the harsh words from other opponents. schwarzenegger to kasich said love the beatings. it's an affirmation of your place in the race. talking to the governor today, he is using these sorts of settings. it's a cozy place here in the
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where they are getting questions answered and he is enjoying himself. just said now who says you can't have fun when you're running for president. he is making a different appeal sthan some of the other candidates talking about his ability to work with democrats, to bring people together, to try to have a tone that is different than some of the other republicans in the race. this is a state where new hampshire voters often like to have their own imprint on the presidential race, not following iowa's lead and so governor kasich also the other governors in this race, jeb bush, chris christie want to have a lane to themselves to really prove that they could be the standout for more establishment republicans. so we'll be following john kasich all day and he is certainly enjoying himself as he is trying to close the deal in the last several days. tamron? >> all right, kelly. thank you so much. so the big question is can john kasich upset donald here in new hampshire. thanks so much for joining me.
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>> thank you. >> the big question is how does john kasich doing? is it a ground game? is it a message? i bring up the message as kelly o'donnell reported since the very beginning, since he announced he is running, governor kasich is trying to stay above the fray. >> indeed, yes. >> little engine that keeps going. but he is a little engine in a season of big voices and some might casually say big mouths. >> yeah. you could say that for sure. but john has stayed on the sunny side of the street. he's been positive. he hasn't engaged in negative campaigning and he's caught on. he's second in the new hampshire polls. in the politico average of the last week's polling, he is second. and can he close on trump? well, i think trump is deflating. i think it's possible. >> you think it's possible, you believe in his policy and his plans, but in reality, does his rhetoric match where your base and your key voters right now are? >> we're doing very well among pragmatic republicans. we're doing very, very well
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among independents. and they are the key here in new hampshire. if they come out in record numbers, which we expect john kasich will get a disproportionately large share of those votes. that is what gives me some hope to believe we could actually come out first in new hampshire, but we'll certainly finish a solid second, tamron. >> you say he is popular with pragmatic voters, republican voters. >> yes. >> but none of his crowds are as large as donald trumps crowds. are those the pragmatic republicans showing up for donald trump or are the pragmatic republicans staying home? what's going on here? >> what matters is who turns out. >> absolutely. >> according to all the indications, multiple polling over the last week, six or eight polls, kasich is second and trump's numbers are starting to decline. so, yeah, trump is an entertainer. he attracts big crowds. will they come out to vote in they didn't in iowa. >> actually they did. he had the second largest number of voters in caucus history,
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second only to ted cruz, someone who also has that bombastic rhetoric that seems to be counter to what governor kasich is offering. so he did have the people show up, it was not enough to beat ted cruz. >> i don't want to talk about that. >> i understand. >> nor do i want to talk about trump. i want to talk about john kasich. he is up beat. we feel very good. here is our secret weapon, our public weapon is john kasich. he is a terrific human being, great candidate, superbly qualified for the office but we have a huge ground game going here. tamron, i've been involved in new hampshire politics almost 40 years since i ran for the u.s. senator. and i've never seen a stronger or more sophisticated ground game going in those 40 years. we far outclass -- the other candidates don't have ground games, ground organizations worth mentioning frankly. i think they thought they could rely on their millions of dollars in tv advertising, but that's not going to work. >> i know you gave me the
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average of polls earlier, but we have a new poll out, u mass and it shows john kasich at 7%. i get why you don't want to talk about trump. they feel he sucked out of the oxygen out of the room. you were quoted as saying, trump has been looking good mainly because the same votes have been so broken up so fractured. >> yes. >> let's take him out of the equation and look at rubio. >> okay. let's. >> look at rubio at 12%, bush at 9%, chris christie coming on strong in his presence in the state is below kasich at 6%. who is governor kasich's chief rival, if you remove donald trump from this equation here? >> well, first of all, apart from that poll you just sited, i haven't seen that. >> this was just out today. >> his numbers yesterday in another poll out were 17. it's really fluid and at least half of the people haven't made up their minds yet. but we think it's coming toward in our direction most of the polls indicate that is the case.
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who is our chief competitor? certainly isn't cruz. he has his own con tich wensy carved out. it's much like the trump constituency. we're competing with the governors, christie and bush. we're way ahead of both of them. >> i'm curious also last question here, rand paul announcing his suspending of his campaign today. how does governor kasich, who seems when you look at policy, the background of the candidates, he seems most poised to take, for example, the lead when you talk about criminal reform, justice reform which he's done and mentioned when he's announcing when he is running. >> that's not a primary concern. people are concerned about the economy, tamron. they're concerned about jobs for themselves and their children. they're concerned about national security. look, john kasich has chaired the budget committee while he was in congress literally factually balanced the budget. he made the debt clock not only stop but run in reverse for four
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years. he understands the federal budget. none of them has his knowledge of the budget. he served on the armed servicings committee. we need a commander in chief who on the day he takes the oath of office is ready to be commander in chief. we don't -- can't afford another president who needs training wheels or a period of on the job training. >> are you referring to marco rubio there, he is a first-time senator just as president obama was. i'm not sure which one you're referring to. >> tamron, i'm a former senator. this might surprise you, but i think former senators make terrible presidents. there's no comparison between the experience of being governor, where you have to make decisions and concretely and prague matly solve problems. that is not to be compared with being a governor. think of governor ronald reagan, a great president. think of governor bill clinton, a pretty good darn president this republican will admit. they were both governors.
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barak obama, a bright guy but a senator. marco rubio and chris christie and ted cruz, i mean, are no more prepared to be president than was barak obama. governors are the ones we should look at. >> former new hampshire senator, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, tamron. the next democratic debate is tomorrow. circle it on the calendar. chuck todd, rachel maddow moderate live from the university of new hampshire. it will be the first one on one debate since the iowa caucuses. it starts tomorrow, 9:00 p.m. eastern time only on msnbc. but first, how both campaigns are preparing for the big matchup. in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and university partnerships, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in utica, where a new kind of workforce is being trained. and in albany, the nanotechnology capital of the world.
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tomorrow, hillary clinton and bernie sanders will square off in a debate in new hampshire right here on msnbc. it is the only democratic debate
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before next week's new hampshire primaries. sanders is leading in the polls here, in fact, take a look the latest u mass lowell news 7 tracking poll shows bernie sanders with the lead. it was this morning on "morning joe," sanders said will you be at the debate? he said yes. it was not confirmed when they asked him that question. >> it wasn't. of course this has been a point of great contention between sanders and clinton over the course of the past couple of weeks. the sanders campaign obviously feels as though the dnc had controlled the schedule of those debates for a long, long time and sanders also talks about where they want these future debates, the condition was, okay, we'll debate you in new hampshire if you agree to do three additional debates across different months in michigan, california and new york in particular. sanders had wanted to debate in brooklyn, which is of course where he is from originally and where hillary clinton's
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headquarters is now. >> let's talk about handicapping this debate tomorrow why sanders sees this as a big risk. he is leading in the polls, which we've shown, but the event this morning, which followed an event yesterday, you have hillary clinton with former congresswoman gabby giffords talking about gun control and hitting bernie sanders again on his record which we know is a part of why "the boston globe" endorsed her. their concerns are the distinction that has been made between these two candidates on guns. >> that's right. look, i think that the sanders' campaign will privately say that they've had better luck in a forrum format. tonight on cnn there will be a forrum where clinton and sanders will appear. the debates have been places where hillary clinton has proven to come across as maybe more presidential by comparison and that sanders, of course, dismissed, for example, her e-mails. she says -- he said the american people don't care about your
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damn e-mails, that was his quote. the clinton campaign knows that's the case and that's why they suddenly want to debate more frequently. so for them, they just feel as though the rules have been stacked against them. i would say that's a feeling that pervades the sanders's campaign the dnc, local parties, things like that, they feel as though everything about the democratic party institutions are really stacked towards hillary clinton. so i think that for them it does poise a risk each debate she's come out with positive headlines, generally remember vice president joe biden was not going to run after hillary clinton gave that first strong performance. >> the risk, the potential reward. already out of iowa, he's up 3 million in donations after the iowa caucuses. we saw that huge welcome party in the middle of night when bernie sanders arrived back in new hampshire. i think you were following along with him at the time. let's talk about the rewards, though, that can come from this debate from him tomorrow night. >> there was a risk for him in saying that he wouldn't do the debate.
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this is a campaign that's prided itself on attempting to be open, honest, all those things. ultimately they didn't have much choice but to say, hey, we're going to go ahead and do this. i also think that the reward for the sanders' campaign in a debate and the way they've always felt after they've come out of them is that their supporters take from it it's a chance to see him on a national stage. it drives these small donations. sanders had the single best fund raising day of his campaign after the iowa speech, 1 million raised in 90 minutes after his iowa caucus speech. >> it's a chance for him and you know this better than anyone, a chance for him to seize the moment of being the heart of the party. concern with those who have the least amongst us, even though when you look at hillary clinton's record from health care, she could say the same thing but it's the way he is communicating it and the way he is communicating it to younger voters. >> right. it's not even -- there's a certain level of irony in the fact that sanders has been an
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independent his entire life and all of a sudden he is now generating the most energy on the democrat cattic side. one of the most interesting exchanging other the course of the past 24 hours is i asked bernie sanders yesterday whether or not he believes hillary clinton is a progressive. that's what his young supporters really feel. they feel like he is more -- when i was standing in the iowa caucus party with bernie sanders supporters and she got on screen and said i'm a progressive with a plan, they booed. >> i saw that. >> he took the opportunity to go after her and she responded in kind today. but it's pretty clear that that's where the energy is in the base of the party and a lot of these younger kids don't remember when hillary clinton was first lady and she was -- she says getting 8 million children health care through the chip program. many of her accomplishments are very far off the radar of these young kids. >> i know our young kids go to 18s, we're talking 20s and 30s, may be kids to old ladies like us, but still not fresh out of
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high school. we're referring to. >> sure not. but if you look at the numbers 17, under 30, right, from age 17 to 29, you know, overwhelmingly 84% went for bernie sanders. >> and a strong showing amongst those women in that age group. we'll talk about more. thank you very much. coming up, more than 30 campaign events in new hampshire alone that's just today. we'll take you to some of them after the break. it's been two and a half weeks since clinton and sanders last debated. two and a half weeks, can you believe it? tomorrow the drought ends 9:00 p.m. eastern time right here on msnbc. ♪ ♪ (cell phone rings) where are you? well the squirrels are back in the attic. mom? your dad won't call an exterminator... can i call you back, mom? he says it's personal this time... if you're a mom, you call at the worst time. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance,
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on bernie sanders. earlier today she got a boost campaigning with congresswoman gabby giffords. let's turn to kristen welker who is in derry, new hampshire, with more on the ground game. clinton is bringing in some more big-name support. >> she is bringing in some of her top surrogates. gabby giffords, mark kelly here with her today. this is the second event they've had together in the past 24 hours alone they were together in iowa this past weekend and she's bringing in, of course, former president bill clinton. today the focus was on secretary ice clinton taking on the nra, pushing for stiffer gun issues. secretary clinton is further to the left of bernie sanders. that plays well to the democratic base. take a listen to what gabby giffords has to say earlier today. >> i'm here to talk to you about hillary clinton. hillary is tough. hillary is courageous.
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she will fight to make our families safer. in the white house, she will stand up to the gun lobby. that's why i'm voting for hillary. >> so that is one part of the strategy, tamron. i've also learned that more than 100 staffers, volunteers coming in from new york to help with the ground game. the other part of secretary clinton's strategy, tamron, has really been emphasizing her progressive credentials. as you know yesterday you were talking about this with kasie, senator sanders questions her credentials saying she is not consistent. she had sharp words. take a listen to that very sharp exchange. >> so i was a little disappointed, to be honest, yesterday it was kind of a low blow when senator sanders said, in response to a question, well, you know, maybe she's a
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progressive on, you know, some days. >> the reality is for secretary clinton, she is trailing senator sanders by double digits here. i've been talking to her campaign officials. they say the reality is it will be very tough, but, tamron, in 2008 she was trailing barak obama after iowa heading into new hampshire. she came back. she won this state. i asked them if that's possible again. look, there's a big difference between barak obama and senator sanders. senator sanders is from neighboring vermont. still, secretary clinton will be here through next week's primary and they are going to be focussing a lot on that ground game. tamron? >> all right, kristen welker, thank you very much. with a live update straight ahead how hillary clinton is preparing for the debate. her advisers will be here on set. don't go away. i'm mary ellen, and i quit smoking with chantix. i have smoked for 30 years and by taking chantix, i was able to quit in 3 months
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president obama speaking during his first first to a u.s. mosque. he toured mosques overseas before but never in the united states as president. it is part of the white house's effort to affirm religious liberty amid the anti-muslim rhetoric. many see on this year's campaign trail, nbc's ron allen is live at the white house. ron, we're in new hampshire. we're talking about candidates on both sides, but in reality it appears that the white house is responding to a lot of what's being said on the right and from some republican candidates. >> exactly, tamron. to be clear, the president is making this speech because his aids say he has been offended by what he's hearing on the campaign trail. today he called it inexcusable. he also said that a lot of the rhetoric is responsible for the increased attacks that we're seeing on muslim communities, mosques and havandalized. they have been asking for the president to come to make a profound statement on their behalf to reassure them. that's what he tried to do
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today. here is some of what the president tried to say. >> when any religious group is targeted, we all have a responsibility to speak up. and we have to reject a politics that seeks to manipulate prejudice or bias and targets people because of religion. we've got to make sure the hate crimes are punished and that the civil rights of all americans are upheld. >> it was a very personal speech. it was almost as if the president was speaking much more to the american public than to the audience in the room of the mosque in baltimore where he's been for the past few hours meeting with community leaders, residents hearing their stories. he also talked about how he has received letters here at the white house from young people, young muslim americans saying that they're scared and that they don't -- they feel like second-class citizens in this country. he also spoke about the real sensitive issues, saying we need
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to acknowledge that there is a small element in the muslim community that's responsible for perverted form of islam that's responsible for terrorism. he called for the muslim community to stand up, to be against that as they have been they would say, he said this is not the problem of just one community, it's a problem we all face. tamron? >> ron, thank you very much. well, back to on the ground here in new hampshire. hillary clinton won iowa by razor-thin margin. now she is tasked with winning new hampshire right in the middle of sanders' country. for a look inside the clinton campaign, i'm joined by senior strategist joel bennettton. thanks for joining me. 2008 hillary clinton lost iowa, stunned pretty much the country that barak obama had pulled out of that victory. she limps into new hampshire behind in some of the polls and wins, not by a great margin, but a win is a win as we've learned this time around. >> yes. >> what happens in new hampshire now? >> well, i think what happens
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now is we're playing in senator sanders's backyard. it is his hometown turf next door to vermont and the history here has been when there's a new englander on the ballot and not running against an incumbent with one exception in the last 50 years the new englander does well. we knew that going in, but it hasn't deterred us from competing tall way through. we've got some ground to make up here. we have to keep making it closer and closer. and if you do remember 2008, she was down by as much as 12, 14 points in some polls on friday and came back by tuesday to pull it out. this is the way she likes to campaign, get down on the streets, get down in the coffee shops, talk to people, work for every vote right up until the last minute. >> she's battling a neighbor but she comes in also with huge recognition of name, of experience, just a couple weeks ago president obama saying that she's the most qualified person for the office who has not held the office. with that said, why wouldn't she be able to eclipse or beat out
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the gap and defeat bernie sanders just based on those facts alone? >> well, because i don't think anybody has ever been elected president just based on those facts alone. she is not the first person to come to the table with a race like this with -- >> which she is not your average candidate. >> she is very well done but there have been other very well known candidates that didn't prevail. look, the reason this will be different this time as you say is because she's running to build on the progress that we've had. she wants to make a real difference in people's lives. and i think the choice people are starting to wager carefully in these races right now as they weigh tot two candidates, who has what it takes to get this done to help me and my family get ahead and make a real difference for us. that's the choice they'll make. it was a close race in iowa and probably be close here. >> we're hearing the contrast over and over, yes, you want a candidate who can get things done but you also want someone who has a vision and includes you as part of the vision. you heard kasie hunt's report
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when bernie sanders was campaigning in iowa and hillary clinton called herself a progressive, that set off a series of boos from that particular audience. is she not selling a vision that young people, whether they're 18 to 40, can absorb? why do you think there's a resistance? >> well, i don't believe there's a resistance. hillary clinton is doing very well. she is competitive or ahead in every state that has been out there in the primary field in the early stage. so, iowa indeed was very close, but, no, she is delivering a very strong vision of what it takes to get families ahead and help them stay ahead. that's what families want right now. they've been beaten up economically during the crisis. they know we've come back since president obama got elected. as she said, we've been standing but we're not yet running again. what families need is a president now who can go the next ten yards, the next 15 yards and get people over the finish line. that's what they want. and that's going to take getting things done. she knows how to do it. she knows what it takes to roll up her sleeves, really make
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progress, really get things done that helps people. that's what she's been about her whole life. it's why when health care failed in the '90s, she went to work again, rolled up her sleeves with republicans and got 8 million kids insured with health insurance. >> why was the race in iowa so close? if that's her message and she's been able to roll up her sleeves and convey that, why iowa? >> sure. because first of all the history of both iowa and new hampshire, there have very few blowouts here. very few people in iowa have won the caucuses by more than eight points. we thought it would be close. we've been saying since october, november, both of these states will be close. the truth is both of these states because candidates get six months to campaign here. they get to spend a lot of time here. it changes the nature of the campaigns we have the rest of the way. it's a little bit different obviously the rest of the way. we only have three weeks to get out and get your message through. i think that in those states we expected it close. it stayed close. here going forward i think we'll have some competitive states also. but we have 1,000 delegates once
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we come out of new hampshire between now and the end of march and i think we're set up very well to be successful over those -- the next eight weeks. >> real quick because i do have to promote the debate tomorrow night, what is the debate strategy? >> of course. i think the debate strategy is the same it's been. talk about your plans to get things done. talk about the ways in which senator sanders' plans don't add up. he had to change around a lot of plans including his signature health plan once it got under scrutiny. we have to talk about that, drawing those differences, calling out the fact that he has refused to really consistently stand up against the gun lobby. >> is she ready for his assault as it relates to wall street? >> we've been ready for it all along. he's been doing it all throw his campaign. every headline in every major newspaper, there have been headlines in the last two weeks about bernie sanders stepping up his attack. so, yes, we're quite sure he'll bring those attacks and she will respond. >> all right, joel. thank you very much. you can see it all certainly on msnbc the big debate airs
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this has been interesting with donald trump, how much of his own money will he put in, the few dollars he's getting here and there from his website. but the jeb bush story, i think this is one for the ages if he drops out of this race. >> i think i saw that there were more ads aired by his superpac in iowa than votes he won in iowa. it was certainly probably the most money spent on behalf of a candidate for the least result in a first state in a long time. >> and when you look at breaking down the numbers, we teased it as, you won't believe who spent the most money. i feel like a jeopardy question board should roll out behind me, but give us some insight to that. >> well, look, different candidates spend on different things. you could say ben carson has spent a lot, but what's strange is what he spends on. all that money for the most part is going to consultants and direct mail firms. it's not clear he's getting any bang for the buck out of it.
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on the other hand, hillary clinton is certainly spend ing lot of money but spending in a traditional way that a presidential campaign with a lot of money would spend, similar to the way barack obama was spending in 2012. big investments in data field and organizing and not going out to consultants or paying for huge direct mail costs. so it really depends on who the candidate is and how good the spending is. >> well, bernie sanders' camp, and we mentioned this earlier in the hour, raised $3 million since monday. they say the best campaign day for them so far. but when you go back to look at donald trump and some of his dollars and how it could have an impact on, say, marco rubio, there was a report, nick, that some of donald trump's donors are now looking at marco rubio, and i'm not talking about the big dollar donors. some of those people who only have 50 bucks have given small denominations because they believe the candidate may be shifting to marco rubio or some
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others now with the loss out of iowa. >> it's almost certain that some of these small donors move around. they're sort of fungible, there's not a lot of candidates. remember, the small dollars coming into trump's campaign are essentially from the sale of t-shirts and hats. i don't know about you, but i own a trump hat. i'm happy to have bought it. i'm sure there are some people who are buying it because, hey, it's a great show. but yeah, i'm sure we'll see some grassroots money moving back and forth among these candidates. >> i love how you said, i don't know about you, but i own -- i do not own one. i do not own one single trump hat or any candidate for that matter. i'll wait for the ebay sell when it's all done. the candidates continue to sway new hampshire residents to their side. let's look at the people who will cast their vote on tuesday.
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who are the folks who will be voting? let's go to our correspondent, steve kornacki. i see your map and i see you're ready, steve. >> let's take a look at new hampshire, where these candidates need to do well, where they'll succeed. let's start on the democratic side. this is what it looked like the last time around. obama in green, hillary clinton in orange. these are the counties they won in the state. a couple things to pay attention to as we look ahead to hillary clinton versus bernie sanders. these two counties, that's hi hillborough, this is rockingham. a lot of those communities just across the border in massachusetts. nash nashua, that area, that was hillary clinton's strongest county when she won the state. remember, a narrow win for her over obama in 2008. this was the heart of it right here. that's got to be the backbone of her campaign this time around. bernie sanders trying to make inroads around there.
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the other thing to pay attention to, these three counties right along the connecticut river, right along the vermont border, the clinton campaign is making much of the fact that vermont is the next door neighbor bernie sanders. to the extent he does have an advantage in new hampshire because of that, this is where it is. they call this part of new hampshire vermont east. it is very liberal politically to the extent that new hampshire has been changing as a state, becoming a little bit more blue. it's because of that part of the state. you see obama did well there in '08, sanders' challengers do just as well a little bit to the east. on the republican side, you have to look at this county right here, rockingham county. you're going to have 20, 25% of all the votes in the state come out of this. it's right here, along the massachusetts border. these are basically boston suburbs. people from massachusetts who have moved north across the border, why did they move?
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they wanted to work, live, shop in tax-free southern new hampshire. so they are very conservative on fiscal policy. there are a lot of votes here, they're very conservative, they're very anti-tax. someone like marco rubio trying to move up in new hampshire. this is the place to look for it. the other thing to keep in mind, again, the sort of western part of the state right here, this is when john mccain ran against mitt romney eight years ago. he did very well here. you had john huntsman doing fairly well here last time around. even rand paul especially as he got to the north, a little more independent, a little more unpredictable. someone like john kasich, look for him to score here. a bit of a sense of what we're looking for in the geography next tuesday, tamron. >> absolutely fascinating, both of those maps. we'll be here for a couple days so we can dig past some of the questions certainly that i still have ringing in my mind after seeing that. thank you, steve, greatly appreciate it. we'll hear final pitches
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for the 2016 candidates, and it's not entirely peaceful. as we get new financial information, donald trump is doing what he does best. >> so jeb bush spent almost $3,000 a vote. that's got to be a record, right? is that in the guinness book? will you check the guinness book of world records? >> donald trump also has ted cruz in his sights today, unleashing brand new attacks. trump is calling for the nullification of the iowa results. gabe gutierrez is here in new hampshire, along with msnbc political correspondent alex sites-wald. they're getting us ready for our dona showdown.
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we haven't really seen them spar and they've been sparring individually today. they've been sort of going back and forth via the media. >> i'm really excited about this for a few reasons. number one, martin o'malley, god bless him, but he is not there. we're finally getting head to head, bernie sanders and hillary clinton without the distraction, they're going to go at it. it's been more aggressive in recent days, they've been attacking each other on policy and other things. just yesterday casey asked bernie sanders if he thought hillary clinton was progressive. she fired right back today. take a look at this. >> i hope we keep it on the issues, because if it's about our records, hey, i'm going to win by a landslide. i hope that, new hampshire, you will come on this journey with me bringing both your hearts and your heads. >> so that attack really giving her an opportunity to list through her record what she feels strong about, but it just goes to show that these
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candidates, they were trying to be so respectful to each other for months and months and months, and now really ready to go at it. >> it's interesting it comes down to a label, casey. it's who is more aggressive? clearly she's trying to compete for those voters who are attracted to sanders because he's a progressive. >> it's all those attacks sanders has been working up to when he said she's only progressive some days. he had this list that he debuted in iowa whether it's trade, whether it's gay marriage. he said, you know what, i've been saying this for 30 years, she just came around because it's politically convenient. when you think about the people supporting sanders, i was at the victory party in iowa, and when she came up on that screen when they played her speech and she said, i'm progressive, the whole room booed. these were largely young people. he won 84% of young people, or people under 30 -- >> that's young people. >> right. and they don't remember when
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hillary clinton worked on the ship program. that's what she refers to when she says, i'm a progressive. sanders is proud of the fact he's had this independent label for some long. it allows him to claim this progressive label that a lot of kids i talked to in iowa cited as a reason why, hey, i like this guys. i wasn't going to vote republican, i probably would have voted for hillary in the end, but this message is for me. >> and the message we hear from him is i'll give you all health care, but they're trying to argue that he can't actually come through with those great plans. >> absolutely, and she has the scars to show she's been through the battle, she knows how to get things done. she likes to say, i'm a progressive that likes to get things done. those are the key things they want you to think about. she wants you to know she's
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actually going to deliver. and this is one of those issues both campaigns feels awfully confident talking about. i just talked to the spokesman of the sanders campaign, they say he likes talking about this because it makes him look better. the clinton campaign is doing the same. you see that real division between liking to get things done and the pure progressive on the other side. >> she is dedicating herself to this state all the way through, even though the polls show she's quite a bit behind bernie sanders. >> she is, and fundraising is one particular sticking point. that's a place where, quite frankly, bernie sanders has the upper hand, in part because he doesn't have to work very hard to raise money. usually your candidate's time is one of the most precious resources you have when you're a campaign, and hillary clinton does have to do things like go to boston, or when she was in iowa, she went to new york, and that provided bernie sanders an opportunity to essentially hand out what has been his core message all along.
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>> he raised what, $3 million? >> he raised $3 million just after the iowa caucus, he raised 20 million in just one hour after his speech. most money raised in a campaign. >> if this goes deep into april and may, he's going to those fundraiser dollars. as for her, she's relying on the campaign. >> we're looking forward to tomorrow night because we'll hear it straight from the two candidates. you're not going to want to miss it. it's the big match. it's here on msnbc, 9:00 p.m. eastern time, 6:00 p.m. pacific, democratic candidates hillary clinton and bernie sanders go head to head. it's the only one on one debate before the new hampshire primary next tuesday. there is new conflict to talk about, though, at the top of the republican field. msnbc's benji joins me on that.
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benji, it's back and forth between ben carson and donald trump. >> donald trump decided today is the time to change his tone and he's been accusing ted cruz of dirty tactics ask callind calli revote ottawa n thttawn the iow. he had a talk about security today in new hampshire. let's hear that now. >> now, let's put in perspective -- you know, it's interesting, some of the media folks are shocked when i call for carpet bombing isis into oe blif o -- oblivion. they say, that's terrible. what do you mean by carpet
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bombing? and i say, they have planes. we have a whole bunch of bombs. we're going to light all their stuff on fire. >> reporter: as cruz alluded to, he has taken some heat over his, quote, unquote, corporate bombing description. the reason for this is his military experts aren't sure what he's talking about or find it unrealistic. carpet bombing is an informal term of dropping bombs over a certain area in the hopes of taking out whatever is there. ted cruz was allude to go ting gulf war. he was saying we had a large amount of attacks there. you remember seeing in all the footage over and over again. the reason it was so successful is the iraqi army was out in the open and waiting to be attacked. former secretary bob gates has said cruz's mission is unrealistic because isis has adapted. they now try to avoid being out in the open. they hide behind civilians.
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they blend into the civilian population. they sometimes use tunnels in the cities. so the main criticism has been over whether it's realistic. finally the commander of anti-isis forces, general john mcfarland, addressed the carpet bombing and said it's inconsistent with our values because of possible harm to civilians. so cruz is definitely in a debate on this, though it's not entirely sure what he means by carpet bombing. >> benji, thank you so much. let's head about 40 miles north. ted cruz is in laconia. marco rubio -- i'm getting this all wrong. just know this, they're all over the state of new hampshire. nbc's gabe gutierrez is there listening to that campaign. forgive me, i'm getting it all wrong here, but you are there with marco rubio, right? >> reporter: yes, i am here with marco rubio. a lot to keep track of. this town hall meeting just
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wrapping up. you can see him doing a lot of one on one interactions with these new hampshire voters, something they're very accustomed to. today is a series of town halls for marco rubio, and notably, he is trying to stay above the fray right here. after that strong finish in iowa, of course, he is now the target of attacks from standing candidates. jeb bush blasting his record in florida. of course, we know about chris christie's attack yesterday. still, during this town hall, he is focusing his attacks on the democrats. >> if i'm our nominee, we will win, and the democrats know this. they do not want to run against me. there is a reason why the democrats, and in particular hillary clinton, attacked me five times for every time they attack someone else. they know that if i'm our nominee, they lose. many of them have admitted this. i'm the one they do not want to run against, but i cannot wait to run against hillary clinton.
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[ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: of course, a knock on rubio so far, especially from chris christie, says he's too scripted, too rehearsed. today he's answering questions from those voters. he's answering everything on military spending, illegal immigration, and even got a question about the legalization of marijuana. not surprisingly, he's against it. he likened it to alcohol. kate, back to you. >> all right, gabe gutierrez, thank you so much. let me bring in eliana johnson. she's national editor for the washington review. talk for a minute about marco rubio. if he finishes in second place behind donald trump in new hampshire, is that then the main story heading into south carolina? >> absolutely. rubio has a tremendously strong team in south carolina. some of his advisers live there, and he has spent a lot of time building a ground game. so i think it will be a very competitive contest between rubio and ted cruz who has done a lot of recruiting with the evangelical community. one thing to watch, kate, we had
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three candidates drop out of the race between iowa and new hampshire, mike huckabee, rick santorum and rand paul. where do their supporters go? though they might seem to be a good fit for ted cruz, mike huckabee and rick santorum, those two candidates were very critical of ted cruz. i think that's something to watch going into next week's primary in new hampshire. where do they end up? >> can we talk about jeb bush for a second? a few months ago he was the frontrunner. he really appears to be fighting for fourth place here in new hampshire. now, take a look at a bit of an awkward moment with a crowd last night. >> i will be a commander in chief that will have the back of the military. i won't trash talk. i won't be a divider in chief or an agitator in chief. i won't be out there blow harding talking a big game without backing it up. i think the next president needs to be a lot quieter but send a signal that we're prepared to
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act in the national security interests of this country, to get back in the business of creating a more peaceful world. please clap. [ applause ] >> ileana, it's the "please clap" that got everybody's attention. he seems to be struggling a bit. i was just looking at some comments from former president jimmy carter, basically counting him out saying jeb bush is done for. what does he have to do to stay in this race? >> he has to finish in the top three in new hampshire, deliver a really strong finish there. but i think what's most notable about bush is he doesn't have to trash talk because his superpac is doing all the trash talking for him, and it's incredible that he spent -- he said he didn't invest in iowa but he spent over $20 million there unleashing attacks on marco rubio, and rubio proved incredibly durable against him. if the same is true in new hampshire, i think you'll see more and more people look to rubio as someone who could survive a general election
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assault from hillary clinton and perhaps win a general election, which a tremendous number of iowa voters actually said they were looking for. >> ileana johnson with the national review, thank you for being with us. >> thanks so much, kate. when we come back with new hampshire's primary just days away, donald trump is campaigning in arkansas. we're live in little rock with a preview as trump takes to twitter with a new explanation about why he lost in iowa. and the anticipation building here in new hampshire. hillary clinton and bernie sanders go head to head tomorrow night for the first time. it is the only democratic matchup before tuesday's primary, and you can watch it all here on msnbc. that's tomorrow at 9:00 eastern. and warmth and looking good, and sandwich and soup and inside jokes, and dan is back! good, clean food pairs well with anything.
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well, donald trump who, just six days before the new hampshire primary, will be 1500 miles away tonight in little rock, arkansas. iowa's second place finisher already has a big lead in new hampshire polls. he's still talking iowa, though, telling my colleagues on "morning joe" he might have won there had he put forward more effort. >> i could have used a better ground game, a term i'm not even familiar with. you hear the term ground game, and you're like, what the hell is that? now i'm familiar with it. i think in retrospect we should have had a better ground game. i would have funded a better ground game, but people told me my ground game was fine. >> and then trump tweeted this note. ted cruz didn't win iowa, he stole it. that's why all the polls were wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. bad! donald trump tweeting that. nbc's kerry sanders is in new
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hampshire where trump is expected to speak a few minutes from now. give us background on those tweets. >> i'm in little rock where, indeed, trump is supposed to be here a little later. these two politicians, donald trump and ted cruz, are certainly milking twitter in their back and forth battle over how the caucuses went in iowa. specifically donald trump taking on ted cruz over that controversial mailer that was designed, apparently, to shame some voters and also leaking out information during the caucuses that ben carson had dropped out, and donald trump said leaking that information out caused some of those ben carson supporters to go over to ted cruz, something he calls dirty politics. so he has now tweeted out, many people voted for cruz over carson because of this cruz fraud. also, cruz sent out a voter violation certificate to thousands of voters. interestingly, ted cruz now
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getting right back into it and twitter saying bernie is contesting iowa results. maybe donald should go back to iowa and join the democrats. bet they would love. then there were tweets about marco rubio. >> i said how come if he came in third place and i came in substantially better at second place, why isn't mine one of the great victories in the history of politics? and they said, his is but yours isn't. and i said, that's wonderful. >> reporter: so experts will tell you in politics it's all about controlling the conversation, and right now donald trump is doing his best to make sure that he does, indeed, control what the topic of the day is. kate? >> but kerry, here's the thing. the candidates are flooding the zone here in new hampshire right
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now, and you're standing in arkansas. why arkansas tonight for donald trump? >> reporter: it might seem like a head scratcher, but of course he's coming here because of what he said, he didn't have a good ground game in iowa and this is to establish that ground game for super tuesday. we could take a look inside here and you can see the coliseum is being swept right now by the secret service. they'll be allowing people in here later today. they expect 10,000 people here in a state that is leaning now republican. according to the latest gallup poll, there are now ten states that are solid republican versus solid democrat versus ten states that are solid democrat over solid republican. so one of the big subjects is gun control, and donald trump says, as the others do, they believe in letting people have guns. getting in here, he thinks, will
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help establish a ground game that was lacking in iowa. >> getting ahead of everybody else. kerry, thanks so much. we've been asking you to weigh in on today's microsoft polls question, can donald trump regain his momentum and win new hampshire? here's the conversation this hour. keep the conversation going -- there's the results right there. 60% yes, 40% no. if you can keep the conversation going at pulse.msnbc.com. up next, ohio governor john kasich has landed a number of endorsements, including the "new york times," but is it enough to carry him beyond new hampshire? >> i've been legislator, i've been thinking of tgovernor of te we've had great success. i just let people know who i am, and if they like it, great, and if they don't, i'll be sad, but life will go on. >> we're counting down to the
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biggest democratic debate in 2016. only nbc has hillary clinton and bernie sanders' first faceoff since the nail biter. andrea mitchell and anderson cooper will host tomorrow night at 9:00. you won't want to miss that.
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is a real key strategy for john kasich, and he gets a chance to take some questions, to make his points and meet with voters up close. this was a cozy space but there were a lot of questions asked and answer and had now he's on to the next spot. when i spoke to him in an interview earlier today, we hit all sorts of topics about his competition, about what's at stake here in new hampshire, and his own future in the race. as you mentioned, some big endorsements. i thought the buzz was complimentary about the package as a candidate john kasich presents, and it's up to the voters to make a decision. he didn't want to get into the prediction game when we sat down earlier today. >> i can't predict the outcome here. it's unpredictable. there are still so many people undecided, and i don't think we will know until very late on the 9th exactly how we fared. and then we'll decide on the 10th whether we're headed to south carolina or not.
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>> reporter: and going on is really the sort of accumulation of how much money, how much buzz. as he described to me today, he wants to be "the story" coming out of new hampshire. much like we saw ted cruz and marco rubio having a satisfying story out of iowa, and less so donald trump being part of the story. at the same time the governor is trying to leave things open about closing the deal here. i've spoken over the last few days with a number of voters to try to get a sense of it, and there really are a lot of people who remain undecided. often you would find where they would be in a lane where they were open to someone like john kasich but also considering another governor, like chris christie. you had that choice where people had narrowed it but hadn't really decided. he's got a few days to try to win them over.
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kate? >> one of the most striking things he said to you earlier was, if i get smoked here, it's over. i go home. >> he suspects he will do better than predictions. but there's been some buildup with the endorsements and some of the favorable comments about him that he might really do well here. it might be one of those situations where it's about, how do you decide if one ranking has to be next? if he comes in far less than he expects in the vote totals, that would change the dynamic for him. but he also says the worst that can happen is he goes back to ohio to the job he enjoys, his family and friends, tries to put kind of a positive spin on this. and he says, you know, it can be fun to run for president. we don't always find that with conned dates, but john is trying to have that spirit, kelly,
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thank you so much. coming up, it's not iowa's full grassley of 99 counties, but ted cruz is chris-crossing the state today. he is expected to stop less than 10 miles away in gosstown. we'll let you know when he's there. first, hillary clinton is fired up about tomorrow night's first faceoff debate with bernie sanders. today in derry, new hampshire, clinton was already claiming victory. >> now it's senator sanders and myself in at reason a. because if it's about our records, hey, i'm going to win by a landslide. it is always number one.
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new hampshire primary, and candidates are campaigning harder than ever here in new hampshire. we're expecting senator ted cruz to speak at any moment at a rally in gosstown, new hampshire, potentially taking questions from reporters. hillary clinton holding a rally right now in dover, new hampshire. she's trying to gain ground on bernie sanders who is leading big in the new hampshire polls. the latest tracking poll shows sanders with a 33-point lead over clinton. we're covering all angles of new hampshire today in the primary. let's start with nbc's kristen welker and msnbc's katie hunt. identify se i haven't seen you in a long time. >> i know. >> big day for hillary clinton. she decided to go all in with new hampshire. >> she had three yesterday, three today, today she was
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training with gabby giffords, marc kelly. as you point out, she had a real deficit to maintain. today she made it very clear that was never on the table and sort of under. take a listen. >> a lot of politicundits, as political pundits do, i should have just skipped coming to new hampshire. they say, look, you're behind here. i am. you're in your opponents' backyard. they always favor neighbors which i think is neighborly. and maybe you should have moved on to these other states where everybody says you've got big leads ever skip new hampshire.
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i cannot being here. >> and kate, in addition to not only not skipping new hampshire, they're bringing in more than 100 staffers from brooklyn, her headquarters, to help out with the ground game here, so they're really trying to ramp up their efforts. and i think if they could close the gap with senator sanders, they would consider that a win. secretary clinton came back in 2012 and beat obama. . her campaign will be a lot tougher because senator sand er. >> i want to talk about her getting secret service today.
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i think it's going to be a little bit of the a challe skpl and challe. usually schedules their ooernev and the senator would like to decide that he's going to change the schedule on the fly. i think they all know working with the secret service is going to require them to be just. a couple hours later they canceled them, or they wut one and. don't want to discuss the details. the dhs has approved it, so that will get started in the next 24
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hours. >> they've. yesterday it was about who is progressive and who is not. yesterd yesterday, president clinton speaking today in response to that. >> so i was a little disappointed, to be honest, yesterday. it was kind of a low blow when senator sanders said, in response to a question, well, you know, maybe she's a progressive on some days. >> is that the lowest blow? i don't know. but they're starting to go back and forth. >> i think you're seeing them sharpen their attacks against each other, and this issue of being a progressive is one they are really engaging on right now. from the perspective of secretary clinton, what she's realizing is that senator sanders really tapping into a nerve. this hunger that people have for
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an outsider, she's making a point that, look, i have a whole record when it comes to this, but it's also not the issuer of taking on the nra. i think the other issue they'll engage on is health care, of course. senator sanders is arg you'll that he's the only one really calling for universal. and president obama talks about this in a roundabout way, and on the left, there is people unhappy with him and they believe they believe as the heir to obama's legacy, as a person who is going to protect all of that. and there are plenty of
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democrats, hispanics who don't necessarily want to see. it's the most exciting section of his supporters. >> to be continued tomorrow night, kristen bell wrrks snbc host and political correspondent steve kornacki has more. steve? >> it's interesting you would play it there. hillary clinton saying this bill, and should is. bill clinton has this huge following in virginia because he's from vat vat. . clinton won this primary by ah couple point. a few things to pay attention to here. national manchester heading to the east.
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he basically got off oft. this area around nashua was hick is he. this area. it's not connected to vermont, it's connected to massachusetts. you got route 93 that goes right into boston. you got boston sell vision stations beaming right up there to new hampshire. so when you talk about next-door neighbors winning well and winning new hampshire, you're talking about michael. >> these are john kerry, when he wnlt. so it not as big of an advantage as you might thipg.
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however, it's not trmt there is probably advantage to. the primary electric is going to come from this part of the state, and especially when you get here around dartmouth college, people sometimes do call that vermont east. it has a lot of characteristics that are similar to vermont, so bernie sanders probably does get an advantage there. but the big advantage, when you talk about next-door neighbors to do well, that comes from massachusetts not something. >> keep in mind. i'm going to share. he actually wanted you out of the geography when he learned it was the colorado river that divides the two states. >> you don't want to miss the
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six days out from the new hampshire primary and the democratic candidates are preparing to square off in a debate tomorrow night right here on msnbc. hillary clinton has to make up some ground on senator sanders here as recent polls show sanders with double-digit leads in new hampshire. earlier today senator sanders addressed the upcoming debate schedule on "morning joe." >> you know that i've always wanted more debates and secretary clinton in the beginning was not so interested in more debates. now suddenly they're very interested in more debates. what i wanted to see was on top of new hampshire three more debates. we were talking about california
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and michigan, and i wanted new york city. secretary clinton represented new york seven years in the senate. i thought it would be a good id idea. for some reason she's not interested in debating in new york. >> let me bring in christina shockey, communications director for the clinton campaign. christine christina, nice to see you. >> nice to see you. >> there is talk about bernie sanders wanting more debates. they wanted one to take place in new york state, in brooklyn, to be exact. will hillary clinton debate bernie sanders in brooklyn? >> she's so excited he accepted. she really wanted to do this debate. this really came from the people of new hampshire who asked for a debate to take place if their state before the caucus on
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tuesday. we met every one of his conditions. he asked for three debates. she's happy to do it. she's a great debater and really enjoys having a contest of ideas. the location worked out, she's happy to do it. i'm sure she would be happy to do it anywhere, she just wants more debates. >> anywhere? so she will do it in brooklyn, new york? >> we're still working out the details, but what hillary clinton wants to do is talk about her plans, building up her progress, what bill clinton has done for the country. >> she was supposed to go to boston this week, friday, for a fundraiser. you canceled that and decided she would stay here in new hampshire. >> how big a deal was that for the campaign, to not have that big fundraiser in darian, new
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hampshire. she's right now in dover. new hampshire has always gone for the candidate in a neighboring state, but hillary clinton is going to work her heart out and she's all in to do the best she can there. you saw her today doing an event with gabby gifford and mark kelly, talking about what she would do with gun protection. she's happy to get out there and talk with the people of new hampshire about those. >> christina shockey with the clinton campaign. christina, thank you again. >> thank you. >> remember, the big event tomorrow night on msnbc, bernie sanders and hillary clinton. when we come back, a drug when we come back, we'll talk to someone on the front lines of the harrowing battle.
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. welcome back to new hampshire. voters are focused on one issue and that is the drug epidemic traveling the state.
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this is family coordinator for families health collaborative. sandy, thanks for being with us. the reason we want to focus on this is because it's getting a lot of attention from the candidates here in new hampshire. when we poll people, they say this is one of their top issues. i think people in other states maybe don't realize how much addiction is becoming a struggle for so many of people in your state. >> it certainly has, kate. there really is not a family that it doesn't touch on some level. if it's not under your roof, your neighbor, your coworker, someone has an issue with it. it's very, very prevalent right now. throughout the country, but new hampshire being a smaller state and now the attention of the primary, it really has brought it up. and i think a lot of the candidates, when they've come to the state, have really been hit with it coming and thinking maybe the economy and other things were big issues, and they certainly are important, but they really find out this is greeting them at every town.
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>> at every turn they're getting a question about the issue, and about treatment and what to do and prevention, right? what would you say? if you had a platform to talk to all the candidates right now, what's your number one request? >> number one. >> or give me a few. >> i come to this as a nurse practitioner also, so i do look at it in terms of other chronic relapsing illnesses, that things are treated with protocol in relapsing illnesses. we're used to that, and that's not the way it is right now with substance issues. our mental health, for that matter. >> there is no one system. >> prevention certainly needs to start. we need to have universal screenings. that means when you go into primary care, to an emergency room, there needs to be a screening so it's automatically done universally so we can pick up high risk situations and then
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refer for an assessment and then refer to treatment and then refer into recovery and follow-up. we're used to that with other issues, diabetes. people know you're going to get referrals to endocrinologists and people for follow-up. if you have a setback, you're going to get seen again also, okay? it isn't a one-shot deal. with substance misuse, it really needs to follow a protocol and people need to know what the next step is. >> there you go. hopefully you had some candidates listening. i know it's a real issue here. susan, thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. we're counting down to tomorrow's big matchup. hillary clinton, bernie sanders going head to head. perhaps the issue of addiction may come up.
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let's get out there. let's meet these people. good afternoon, everyone. i'm chris matthews with special coverage, again, live from manchester, new hampshire where the candidates are campaigning in the granite state. just six days until the new hampshire primary. hillary clinton and bernie sanders are going after each other in their first one on one debate. that's tomorrow night on msnbc at 9:00 eastern. their first head to head. it's also the last democratic debate before the primary here next tuesday. a new poll shows a 33-point lead for sanders here in new hampshire. let's watch. >> i'm going to be out here

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