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fight it! with jublia! now that's a red carpet moment! ask your doctor if jublia is right for you. visit our website for savings on larger size. trump is right and americans know he's right. >> ladies and gentlemen -- >> i don't think he can become president of the united states. i don't think it's mathematically possible. >> i am officially running. >> what you see is what you get. he's genuine. he's the real deal. >> this guy's saying what people are thinking. >> for president of the united states -- and we are going to make our country great again. >> he has tapped into a part of the electorate that is deeply
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angry about the state of the economy. >> i will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. i tell you that. >> you don't have to talk about his ego. it seeps out of every pore in his bottle. >> donald trump, full throttle, ready to destroy anybody who gets in his way. >> we are going to start winning again and we are going to win so much you are going to be so happy. we are going to make america so great again. maybe greater than ever before. ♪ good evening, i'm chris
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matthews. i don't think this country's establishment, politicians, the media, ever got this guy. they certainly underestimated him. not going anywhere, can't last. but what about the man himself? who is this guy so many people have told pollsters they want as our next president? what's he done to get where he is? what allows him to say things that would kill anybody else in public life? what's he got ahold of? over the next hour we'll look at the donald trump story as a whole. you'll see him as a young man, a budding business tycoon and business entertainer. you will see the experts have been counting him out for decades. in the movie "citizen cane" orson wells plays charles foster cane. trump told "the new york times" it was his, quote, all-time favorite movie. >> it's also my pleasure to see it to that decent hard working people in this community aren't robbed blind by a pack of money-hungry pirates. >> trump spent months in a royaling campaign. but in december many believed he
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went too far. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> it played well with some of his supporters. >> okay, we are civilized people. these are people, with their beliefs, are not civilized. and that we can't change them. they are not willing to change. >> but many in his own party criticized him. the white house spokesman said it disqualified him from the presidency. and experts questioned its feasibility and whether it's the right way to fight terrorism. >> he's hurting the best tool that law enforcement and people in both parties believe we have to fight terrorism, which is the help of the muslim-american community. and this hurts us abroad, too. >> as he had with his campaign kickoff, it once again displayed trump's readiness to concur by
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dividing. >> when mexico sends its people, they are not sending their best. they're sending people that have lots of problems. and they're bringing those problems with those. they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, and some, i assume, are good people. >> no one was really focusing on immigration policy. and suddenly it is the issue that america is obsessed with. >> trump is acting in a very old and shameful american tradition. it goes back to the 1850s when there was a party that had the name no nothing, and it was an anti-catholic, anti-immigrant political party and it didn't last that long. but then every so often like a fever the anti-immigrant feeling arises. >> he has tapped into the part of the electorate that is, i think, deeply angry about the
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state of the economy. it's a group of people who are still suffering from the downturn in 2007 and 2008. >> as trump's numbers rose in a crowded field -- the hispanic population reacted with anger. on june 26, 2015, univision canceled its broadcast of trump's miss universe pageant. nbc then announced it will not air the miss universe or the miss u.s.a. pageants and macy's removed trump merchandise from its stores. but trump stayed resolution in his message. >> we are taking mexico's problems. mexico is beating us on trade and they are beating us at the border. but mexico doesn't want to take these people so what do they do? they send them to our stupid politicians and we have sanctuary cities and we have all of this nonsense. >> controversy didn't seem to hurt him. by mid-july he passed the great
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establishment hope, jeb bush in the polls, who is finding his audience. >> hey, i like this guy. he's saying what we are saying in the pool hall, whether he's saying what we're saying around the coffee table in the morning. >> come on, get in here. >> so he's tapped into something. >> i think it is both a bit of populism, a bit of racism. it is also real. >> on july 11th, 5,000 people showed up for a trump rally in arizona, a state at the epicenter of the nation's battle over immigration reform. >> these are people that shouldn't have been in this country. they flow -- they flow in like water. >> he's playing on ours aspirations to be rich, which most americans have. and he's playing on our discussion with politics as usual, and that's a pretty potent combination for him in certain parts of the republican party. >> trump led in the polls by a wide margin heading into the
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first republican debate hosted by fox news on august 6th. >> you've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. your twitter account -- >> only rosie o'donnell. >> when he gave the line about rosie o'donnell and megyn, i think, was very surprised that the audience didn't boo but instead they cheered, they laughed, they rallied, they were supportive, that changed everything. >> you once told a contestant on "celebrity apprentice" it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. does that sound like the temperament of a person we should elect as president? >> i think the problem this country has is being politically correct. honestly, megyn, if you don't like it, i'm sorry. i have been pretty nice to you, but i don't have to be based on the way you treated me. >> he flipped this into a
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discussion of whether he's politically correct and what did he say? you know what? i'm not politically correct. if you don't like it, that's too bad. >> you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. >> comments during a phone interview with cnn's don lemon got trump uninvited from a republican red state event. criti critics roared but his numbers held strong. later in august trump held a campaign rally in alabama. 30,000 people showed up. >> we're going to build a wall. >> and in a press conference in dubuque, iowa, jorge a most stood up to ask a question without being called upon. >> i have a question about immigration. >> okay, who is next? yeah, please. excuse me, sit down, you weren't called. sit down. >> again, exactly what we have been waiting for. people did not fly all the way to dubuque to listen to you read from your little speech.
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that's what jorge ramos was doing, reading from a speech. trump had him thrown out, it was great. and then trump invited him back in and took his question. >> yes. good. absolutely. good. absolutely. good to have you back. >> thank you very much. >> okay. >> it was an illusion within the american press that the people cherish what we do. i have news for you, you know, if they find somebody who is going to give us a punch in the nose or a black eye, they are cheering them on. and that's what happened. trump knew what he was doing. >> so the jorge ramos confrontation worked well with his base. that represented why it is very possible for trump to win the nomination, but impossible for him to win the election. >> any republican candidate needs to get at least 40% of the latino vote to have a chance electorally. >> the more controversy the higher his numbers went. the more people criticized him the higher the numbers went.
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the more provocative he was the higher his numbers went. donald trump knew exactly what he was doing. he's strategic, he was brilliant, and it was the summer of trump. >> i will vote for donald trump, definitely. this is very new. this is the equivalent to obama new, you know what i mean? first black president, first -- interesting president. >> it's now suddenly the summer of trump and becoming the autumn of trump. trump's not going down, he's going up. when citizen trump continues -- >> i joke and say there's only one rogue in every family. donald is a rogue. he's a pretty good rogue.
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and sisters in this 23-room house his father built. >> my father was a seven-day worker. he loved -- that was his hobby. he was a test master. he was a strong man in business. but successful. >> my father would take me, he used to call it the rounds, he would take me on the rounds and go around to construction sites. every penny counted. every penny in construction and every penny in rent. >> that was how they bonded as father and son. donald learned the business by following and shadowing his father from a very, very young age. >> during the 1940s and '50s, fred trump built housing in queens and brooklyn for returning veterans. and soon he owned 39 apartment complexes throughout the city and was a multimillionaire. >> i think the important thing about fred trump is that he gives the lie to the idea that donald trump is somehow some kind of self-made man. >> friends and family say that trump was a tough-to-handle
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teenager. >> i admit, donald very young was riled. he was incorrigible. he was difficult. highly spirited. >> i joke and say there's only one rogue in every family. and donald's the rogue to heaven. he's a pretty good rogue. >> he was a brat. >> after enough of this kind of misbehaving and not following the rules, his dad packed him up and sent him away to military school. and he actually says it's the best thing that happened to him. he really did need the discipline. >> i've loved it. it was terrific training. it was tough but it was good. >> and so he was tough to handle, had to be sent to the new york military academy. excellent. he's an alpha male. >> he's given a uniform and a belt with brass buckles he's told to keep shiny and subjected to very intense discipline.
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>> those were days where it wasn't like today. i mean, they hit and they did whatever the hell they had to do. they were a tough lot. >> trump thrived at new york military academy. he was a star on the baseball team, was elected captain and led the honor guard in new york's columbus day parade. during the summer he began working for his father. >> we used to have contests and he always respected the fact that i had the record. i had two painters, six hallways in one day, we used spray. that's the all-time trump organization record. so it was, it was great. at the time that was the greatest achievement of my life. >> trump graduated in 1964 and went to fordham university for two years before transferring to the wharton school of pennsylvania. he graduated in 1968 and after all his military training, a medical deferment makes him ineligible for the vietnam draft. trump went to work for his
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successful father fred, but the boroughs in queens were not enough for him. he'll take manhattan. >> from the time i was very young, i had been fascinated with the new york skyline. >> coming up, trump moves across the river to manhattan and the new york real estate business will never be the same.
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when i graduated from college, i went to work with my father, and he built housing in brooklyn and queens and it was dangerous stuff. you knock on the door and there would be bullet holes on the door, and i would say to the people, what are those holes? and they would say, those are bullet holes. and from knocking on the door and collecting rent, i said i would rather try to sell to others. it would be easier. >> as a kid from queens, manhattan was always the emerald city in the distance. a real beacon that drew him. >> in 1971, trump moved to his first apartment in manhattan, a studio in the upper east side. he was 24 years old and family and friends say he was enjoying himself. >> he always went to what he called the single bars and checked out the women.
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>> donald was a high flyer when it comes to that. >> he joined some private clubs and that's where he rubbed shoulders with george steinbrunner and roy cohn, the infamous lawyer and former mccarthy aide. >> whenever i hear that people have failed to act on fbi information about communists -- >> he said, listen, i followed your career, and you're a bit crazy like i am and you stand up to the establishment. can i come see you? and i said, sure. >> cohn was one of trump's first really influential connections. >> he had no scruples, whatsoever. none. just get the deal done and do whatever it takes to get the deal done. so trump used him as his lawyer to go and cut deals. >> i think donald likes associating himself with people who are brass knuckles, tough characters, uncompromising characters. >> young trump's ambition was reflected in his early business ventures.
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>> well, my first big deal in manhattan was probably the convention center. >> in 1973, trump saw in the newspaper that the penn central rail yards were filing for bankruptcy. >> i got an option to the penn central land and was able to convince then governor kerry that this is the place to build the convention center. >> trump did not build what becomes the jacob javits convention center, but he did make more than $1 million brokering part of the deal. in april of 1977, trump closed a more personal deal. he married czech model ivana zelecheck. roy cohn drew up the prenup. >> the thing that first attracted me was her beauty. she was very beautiful and i liked her because she was also very solid. you know, everything very boom, boom, boom, very orderly. >> on new year's, 1977, the couple had the first of their three children, donald jr. trump set his sights on another troubled penn central property, the commodore hotel next to grand central station. he had to convince the bankruptcy overseers that he
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could make a deal with banks reluctant to invest in new york city real estate. >> donald told the penn central folks that they should meet him at city hall and he would introduce them. >> in new york, real estate is about tax abatements. it's about making deals with political people. it's about zoning. and it's about getting the public, and especially the public officials, on your side. >> the penn central executives arrived at city hall, mayor beam invited them in. there was donald and the mayor said, what the trumps want, the trumps get in this town. >> they really didn't know what the future of new york city was. and that was both good and bad. it was good in that i was able to get tremendous tax advantages and tax abatements. it was bad in that it wasn't easy to get financing. >> after obtaining multi-million dollar tax abatements, trump received the necessary financing to develop what would become the grand hyatt hotel.
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>> people ask me, how come -- how is it that you got 40 years of tax abatement and i would always say, because i didn't ask for 50. >> i interviewed him when he was an unknown on the "today" show many years ago. >> you bought some prized properties at the bottom of the new york market in the 1970s. >> yeah, i had a great faith in new york, primarily our purchases have been in new york. and about five years ago, new york was not considered very hot and cities in general weren't considered too hot. i see the inner cities as the wave of the future. >> trump was on the "today" show to talk about his next big project, the trump tower. >> trump tower had beautiful relief carvings and he just wrecked them. and i said, how could you have done that? couldn't you have just saved those columns? >> it would very, very dangerous to save them. they weighed two tons, about 15 feet high, about 2 1/2-feet thick, and if they would have
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fallen, people could have been very badly hurt and ill canned. >> he just ripped those out without any consideration for their historic value. and the people he had doing the demolition were illegal immigrants. >> in an interview with "the new york times," trump said he did not know they were undocumented workers on the site. >> mr. trump, what's left in your life? you're 33 years old, you're worth all these money. you said you didn't say that you want to be worth $1 billion. >> no, i'm really not looking to make tremendous amounts of money. i'm looking to enjoy my life. and if that happens to go with it, that's fabulous. >> in 1981, there was heartbreak. his older brother, fred, an alcoholic, died. >> his brother was so young when he died, 42 years old, and his brother told him, donald, don't ever drink. don't ever get involved in alcohol. and that's why donald, to this day, has never had alcohol, never smoked. doesn't touch the stuff. >> a few weeks after the loss of his brother, a happy moment for the family. donald and ivana welcomed daughter ivanka. trump rode high in the 1980s, bought a yacht, an airline, a
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professional football team, and palm beach palace mar lago with 118 rooms, it is one of the largest homes in the nation. >> people of modest means look at that and they say, wow, if i were rich, that's's h how i'd w to live. people love the way he lives, because he symbolizes the american success story. he symbolizes the way you'd live, the bling. coming up, winning and losing with donald trump. >> a major business magazine came out with a story, "everything he touches turns to gold." and i started to believe that myself.
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great again. america never stopped being great. [ cheers and applause ] but -- but we do need to make america whole again. instead of building walls, we need to be tearing down barriers. >> and right now bernie sanders is in minnesota about to hold a rally ahead of super tuesday. as for clinton, she returns to the trail tomorrow. her first stop is in nashville. now back to "citizen trump with chris matthews." ♪ the '80s were very good years for trump. in 1982, he bough a prized piece of real estate along the
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atlantic city boardwalk. with hollywood in to make a deal with him, he invited executives to the site and it looked like the construction was well underway. >> i had every truck available in the way moving on that site. we had trucks going back and forth and working all over the place. they saw that action, they were immediately impressed and we made a deal like right then on the spot. >> in 1984, the same year harrah's trump plaza opened, donald and, virks an -- ivana welcomed to their third son, eric. a year later trump castle opened. >> beautiful, beautiful. >> they were cash cows. particularly trump plaza. it was the first casino that anybody driving into atlantic city hit when they arrived there. it was essentially a license to print money. >> closer to home, actually across the street from his home, the skating rink in central park had been closed for years, since 1986. >> they had spent over $20 million over a seven-year
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period. and finally, i said, this is ridiculous. this thing shouldn't take years to build. and i was able to convince everybody to let me build it. >> donald is a gifted self-promoter, went out there and pitched this as, i got the project done, what the new york city government couldn't get done. >> i think you see the same instincts coming out now that you did with the wallman rink, with trump being frustrated at how inept and useless government is and jumping in and saying, i'm going to fix this. >> across the street from the wallman rink, trump won a crowned jewel of new york in 1988. the plaza hotel for $400 million. ivana was put in charge and spent millions more to renovate. >> is there anything you wouldn't support your man in? >> oh, sure. oh, sure. i wouldn't support donald would be running around and fooling around, you know, and that i couldn't live with.
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>> in 1990, the tabloids were reporting that trump was doing just that with a young actress named marla maples. >> one headline, i think everybody remembers was, marla maples, best sex i ever had. >> marla denies ever saying that. but it's telling that the tabloids in new york would be so accustomed to trump craziness that they'd run with it. >> divorce is a challenging and terrible thing for anyone. we'd see our parents on the cover of "the post" every morning walking to school. and they really -- i mean, i have to give them both credit. they did everything in their power to, you know, help us through it. >> while the divorce proceedings played out in the tabloids, at the office it was business as usual. michael jackson performed at the star-studded opening of atlantic city's trump taj mahal in 1990. >> there's never been anything like this built in this country.
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and i think that's why you see the huge crowds today and that's why you're going to see the huge crowds for many years to come. >> it was the most expensive casino ever built, costing more than $1 billion, most of it borrowed money. >> this was a time when borrowing money was easy. junk bonds were created and refined during the 1980s. >> every marquis purchase from the plaza hotel to the trump shuttle and later to the trump taj mahal, the construction of that and the purchase of that was all built on debt. >> i was taking things a little bit too for granted. a major business magazine came out with a story, everything he touches turns to gold, and i started to believe that myself. >> if you owe the bank a little, it owns you. if you own the bank a lot, you own the bank. and that's essentially what happens. >> i never worked so hard. convincing those banks to give me more money, so i could keep going, and ultimately get them
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paid back was one of the best deals i ever made. coming up, new opportunities and a new audience. >> his currency is not really real estate. it's the name, "trump."
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for trump, the roaring '80s were fading into memory. it was 1990, and with the national real estate market in decline, trump's empire was on the brink of collapse. >> well, this week the bankers took over donald trump's life. i mean, did they take over. from now on, almost everything he does and every penny he spends needs their approval. >> as real estate nationally, and even globally goes down, trump goes down with it. and he loses the plaza hotel, but he also wound up being $900
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million in hawk to the banks. >> what that allowed him to do was to cut a deal where they could pay the fees he needed to pay as part of his divorce settlement, the money he needed to retain trump -- his condo and trump tower, which was really an enormously symbolic security blanket. so he escaped personal bankruptcy, but he essentially became a shadow of the guy he was in the 1980s. >> trump's downturn extended to his personal life. in december, his long-expected divorce from ivana became official. he was single again. >> just this past weekend, you had a big party in palm beach. you invited just a few of your close friends, like the miami dolphin and the buffalo bill cheerleaders. >> donald trump is the hugh hefner of the '90s. >> for an older person, he's very attractive.
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>> he was seen in public with marla maples, but he was not ready to tie the knot. >> so, when is the big day? >> it's, truthfully, one of those things we've planned probably a dozen times, and we're very much committed to each other. there's just a little fear, i think it's more on donald's part now. >> in october of 1993, they had a baby girl, tiffany trump, and two months later, marla maples became mrs. donald trump. over the next few years, the real estate market rebounded and donald trump was back on top, valued at $450 million on the forbes' wealthiest americans list. but trump said it was more than like $2 billion. >> donald is one of the few people, and i think the researchers at "forbes" have always said this, who personally lobbies them to not only be included on the list, but to constantly push himself upward in the ranks. >> what people think of donald trump is important to him. he may or may not admit it, but
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it's important to him. all of this, poll numbers, "forbes" lists, you name it. his position matters to him. >> in 1997, he filed for divorce from marla maples, and less than a year later, trump fell in love, this time with a 28-year-old slovenian super model melania. >> as soon as i saw her, i said, that's a very special person. i knew what i wanted as soon as i saw her. >> he was very charming and it was the energy between us when we started to talk. and that's important, that we both felt the same way. >> 1999 was a presidential campaign year and trump discussed running. >> give me a scenario, as we say in the movies, of a perfect donald trump run for president. all the way to november next year. >> well, i think a perfect run would be, i do no campaigning. i run, only on election day. i get at least 51% in a
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three-way race. >> trump ultimately decided not to run, but that did not mean he faded from view. >> he essentially became somebody who licensed his name, ultimately, on an array of products that included vodka, underwear, mattresses, clothing, an online university and basically anything anywhere that you could glue his name on, he did and he took the fee. >> in 2004, trump got the brass ring of publicity, a network prime-time television show about what else, donald trump. "the apprentice" premiered on nbc. >> you're fired. >> "the apprentice" is donald trump's baby. i mean, he is heavily involved. he's actually there quite a bit. it is something that he clearly takes a lot of pride in. >> the show was a hit for nbc and things were going well at home, too. in january 2005, donald trump married milania. >> did you guys sign a prenup? >> absolutely. i won't need it, but we did. >> i can't believe i just asked
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you that. >> isn't it a terrible thing? >> a year later, she gave birth to trump's fifth child, a son named baron. >> there's nothing more important to me than fatherhood, than family. i have great kids, they're really hard-working. >> with a hit tv show, a new family and his name everywhere, things seemed to be going well. but in this decade, there were two more bankruptcies. trump hotels and casinos accrued an estimated $1.8 billion in debt and went bankrupt in 2004. trump entertainment resorts hit hard by the recession went bankrupt in 2009. tim o'brien began writing "trump nation" in 2004 with donald trump's cooperation, and attempted to find out what trump's net worth really was. >> when i went back and started doing the math around various statements he gave me about how much he said he was worth, the numbers weren't adding up. >> the book came out in 2005, and in 2006, trump sued o'brien
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for $5 billion. he claimed that he was defamed. to win, trump had to prove that o'brien acted with malice. however, the presiding judge denied trump's claim and ultimately dismissed the lawsuit. >> we deposed donald for two days and that deposition is one of the great rosetta stones of understanding the real donald trump. because during the course of that deposition, he really couldn't give a practical and reliable assessment about how he determines his net worth. >> in 2011, donald trump also began throwing around the accusation that president obama was not a u.s. citizen, that no one even knew him growing up. >> you are not allowed to be a president if you're not born in this country. he may not have been born in this country. >> i just thought, come on! you know, by now we've all seen the birth certificate. when everybody else had given it
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up, he was still hanging in there on it. >> reporter: at the white house correspondents' dinner in 2011, president obama struck back with humor. >> donald trump is here tonight. no one is happier, no one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than the donald. and that's because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter. like did we fake the moon landing? what really happened in roswell? and where are biggie and tupac? >> thank you, everybody. when "citizen trump" returns, donald trump is back on the campaign trail.
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if some of the experts thought donald trump would not have the political staying power
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to endure in a crowded field of republican candidates, so far, they are mistaken. trump is savvy about spending almost all attention, negative or positive, to his advantage, while attacking his rivals >> jeb bush is a low energy person. for him to get things done is hard. he's very low energy. >> and when september arrived, trump announced he had a detailed proposal for something. a tax plan. >> no business of any size from a fortune 500 company to a mom and pop shop, to a freelancer living from gig to gig will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. >> in this tax plan he offers something for everybody. but for those who have the most, if you're concerned about the national debt, it's not a plan that you would favor. >> what you're saying is you make it all up with growth. >> no, not all up with growth. we also start cutting, because the waste in this country is
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unbelievable. >> but thousands of politicians have said this over the years. waste, fraud and abuse. >> how will that happen? management. he's a great >> do you know how many politicians said this over the years? >> i know, but i'm not a politician. >> he's a great leader, he's going to give it to us. >> on october 28, another debate, hosted by cnbc. the moderators were repeatedly attacks by the republican candidates. >> you've been very critical of mark zuckerberg of facebook. >> i was not at all critical of him. i was not at all. in fact, i am all in favor of keeping these talented people here so they can go to work in silicon valley. >> so you're in favor of increasing -- >> i'm not at all critical of him. >> where did i read this and come up with this that -- >> probably, i don't know, you people write this stuff. i don't know where you -- >> fact checkers quickly pointed out trump was wrong. his own website criticized zuckerberg. and the moderator herself also
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noted this later in the program. >> they were intimidated, afraid, not bold enough. but that's not how you handle donald trump. he can see the fear in your eyes and he pounces on it. >> the country's kind of bought in. and i don't know what it's going to take to change it. but something will come along. i believe the unforeseen will occur, the ufo theory. something will happen. >> in a controversial tryst of politics and celebrity donald trump hosted "saturday night live" in november. >> believe he, he does not want to be called a loser again. >> keep up the good work, am rosa, you're doing fantastic. >> meanwhile, outside of 30 rockefeller plaza. >> i'm mexican, i'm a student. i just want to make sure that he listens to the stories and stops
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his racism. >> and the fox business republican debate on november 10, opponents challenged trump hon he plans to deport millions of undocumented immigrants. >> if people we are going to ship 11 million people who are in this country and somehow pick them up at their house and ship them out to mexico, think about the families. think about the children. >> let me just tell you that dwight eisenhower, good president, people liked him. i like ike, right? the expression. i like ike. moved a million and a half illegal immigrants out of this country. moved them just beyond the border -- >> you need at least 100,000 buses to take them back to mexico. has he thought about that? has he explained how that's going to happen? it is a totally impractical idea. >> when ben carson was a threat trump went, well, ballistic.
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>> how stupid are the people of iowa? how stupid are the people of the country? to believe this crap. >> an unacknowledged part of the trump mystique is he's kind of funny. he's enjoying himself. that's a big issue. you look at all these other mooks, and they seem to be suffering. jeb bush not least of all, as donald trump has pointed out. trump is having fun. you know, when somebody is having fun, you start to have fun. >> but not everybody was laughing as trump impugned the patriotism of american muslims. >> i want surveillance of certain mosques. okay? i watched when the world trade center came tumbling down, and i watched in jersey city, new jersey where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. >> and after cnn aired footage
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of a black lives matter protester being beaten up by trump supporters at a rally, trump retweeted extreme right propaganda exaggerating racial crime statistics. despite inaccurate and controversial claims, trump continued to sit atop the gop polls. >> you're running for president of the united states. your words matter. truthfulness matters. fact-based stuff matters. >> chuck, take it easy, chuck. just play cool. >> are you worried that sometimes he bends the truth? >> bends the truth? you know what? he may. but he's still going to get things done. >> so you don't care? >> i don't care. >> after a presidential address on terrorism following the san bernardino mass shooting trump read his proposal to ban muslims from entering the country. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the
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united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. [ cheers and applause ] >> reaction was swift and loud. >> what was proposed yesterday is not what this party stands for, and more importantly, it's not what this country stands for. >> i do believe that it disqualifies him from serving as president of the united states. >> trump's statement, even in a season of extremes, is a dangerous proposal that overrides history, the law, and the foundation of america itself. >> but trump actually rose in the polls after this. a large part of the republican base seemed to support the idea. >> i'm supporting him, and i'm supporting what i believe he meant when he said i'd ban muslim immigration. i don't believe he's a racist. i think he was talking about we need to step back and re-examine the vetting process. >> but many saw this as a game changer.
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many thought even proposing the idea gave isis a propaganda victory. maybe this time he'd gone too far. >> you think something changed in the media's reaction to him and the reaction of much of the american public. remember, 2/3 of americans don't like him. so he already has a very steep climb to actually becoming president. and i think that many of those people went from seeing this as a kind of entertaining joke to being a dead serious political situation. >> and it was topic number one when cnn aired another debate on december 15th. >> governor bush, you called mr. trump unhinged when he proposed banning non-american muslims from the united states. why is that unhinged? >> so donald is great at the one-liners. but he's a chaos candidate. and he'd be a chaos president. he would not be the commander in chief we need to keep our
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country safe. >> mr. trump. [ applause ] >> jeb doesn't really believe i'm unhinged. he said that very simply because he has failed in this campaign. it's been a total disaster. nobody cares. >> this is the problem. banning all muslims will make it harder for to us do exactly what we need to do, which is to destroy isis. >> donald trump has stunned the political world announcing he will not show up at tomorrow night's republican debate hosted by fox news. >> they can't toy with me like they toy with everybody else. let them have their debate. >> in february 2016, the long-awaited iowa caucuses. the day doesn't go in trump's favor. >> we finished second, and i want to tell you something, i'm just honored. >> but trump regained momentum
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the following week in new hampshire. >> new hampshire, i want to thank you. we love you. we're going to be back a lot. we're not going to forget you. you started it. remember, you started it. >> we have a projection. donald j. trump is the projected winner of the south carolina primary. we are ready to make a call. nbc news is projecting that when all the caucus votes are counted, donald trump has racked up another state, another victory in the election train that keeps rolling on. donald trump, the projected winner in nevada. >> trump! trump! >> thank you very much. great evening. we will be celebrating for a long time tonight. have a good time. have a good time. >> he's a natural force. he's a phenomena. what's propelling him? two things, i think. he's independently wealthy.
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people are fed up with the system and career politicians. they're all beholden to somebody. in trump, they see a guy that's got "f.u." money. >> they say politics is show business for ugly people. so in his case, whatever you think of his looks, he's bringing those entertainment values directly to politics. >> he will be the best president ever. we love you. >> donald trump is a top-level new york real estate guy. you've got to have big cojones to do that and promote it constantly. reality television star. you don't have to talk about his ego. it sticks out of every pore in his body. and he knows how to take a simple quick message and drive it home. can he make it last? big question. >> poll after poll shows the heart of donald trump's appeal lies with the american voter who didn't go to college, who doesn't have the money, hasn't
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had the breaks. he is the one rallying to the billionaire from new york who rages against illegal immigration, against bad trade deals that cost us jobs, derides wars he says we shouldn't be fighting. trump seems to be tapping into an injured sense of nationalism, especially by those most threatened. for a number of reasons, good, bad, and many would say ugly, donald trump has connected. label him, attack him, condemn him but the immense failure of this country's political establishment, right, left, and center, to deal with deep national problems has left the door open and this brash businessman from the big city has come barreling through. i'm chris matthews. thanks for watching. hillary clinton, the victor tonight in south carolina.