tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC March 1, 2016 12:00am-1:01am PST
thank god for spotlight and what it says about truth and our belief that it will set us free. that's hardball for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> in other words, we're winning with everybody. >> with trump poised for a big day tomorrow, republicans are now doing and saying anything to stop him. >> have you seen his hands. they're like this. you know what they say about men with small hands. >> plus, donald trump's selective memory. >> you have david duke just joined, a bigot, racist, a problem. >> why trump is feigning ignorance of the kkk. after clinton's land slide win in south carolina.
>> this campaign goes national. >> why bernie sanders says it's not over yet. >> i think we're going to win a number of them. we're feeling very good. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from the harris county smoke house here in houston, texas. i'm chris hayes. we're in one of the 11 states where voters head to the polls tomorrow that could give donald trump an insurmountable delegate lead. for trump's rivals and the rest of the anti-trump forces in the republican party, it's not the 11th hour and quite possibly the last best chance to throw everything they have at the front-runner to hope that something finally sticks. >> he doesn't sweat because his pores are clogged from the spray tan. he's not going make america great. he's going to make america orange. have you seen his hands.
they're like this. you know what they say about men with small hands. you can't trust them. you can't trust them. >> that was marco rubio doing his new insult comedy schtick. it was a not so subtle reference to his endowment. because they're not be harmful enough. they have joined trump and said he may have told the new york times in an off the record conversation that trump is far less of a hard liner on immigration that he claims publicly. >> he should ask the new york times to release the audio of his interview so we can see exactly what it is he truly believes about this issue he's made the corner stone of his campaign.
>> if you're sitting in manhattan telling the new york times that you're lying to the voters, the voters have a right to know this. >> the trump campaign has not immediately responded. trump's opponents have not settled on a single line of attack opting for everything but the kitchen seat. mitt romney said there's a bomb shell in trump's tax returns. cruz did a little speculating of his own. >> chuck, maybe it's the case that donald, there's been multiple media reports about his business dealings with the mob, with the mafia. maybe his taxes show the business dealings are a lot more extensive than has been reported. >> over the weekend the anti-trump forces in the conservative movement began using the hashtag, never trump which trended worldwide. we'll discuss much more later in the show. yesterday the never trump folks seized on the latest in a seemingly never ending series of
last straws. his failure to disavow endorsement from david duke. >> i don't know anything about david duke. i don't know what you're talking about with white supremacy. i don't know david duke. i don't believe i've ever met him. i don't know anything about him. >> trump, this morning, told nbc's today show he does disavow duke and blamed a bad ear piece for his failure to say so in the interview prompting mockery from rubio. >> he blamed it on the bad ear piece. i don't care how bad the ear piece is, that comes through clearly. >> he seemed familiar with duke back in 2000.
>> when you say the party is self-destructing, what do you see as the biggest problem? >> you have david duke just joined, a bigot, a racist, a problem. this is not the people you want in your party. >> big question going into super tuesday tomorrow is whether any of this matters. republicans in 11 states are voting tomorrow and recent poll shows trump leading in seven of them. he will emerge tomorrow night with a large delegate lead over his rivals. a new national poll shows trump with a massive lead. 49% support, half the republican party with rubio and cruz trailing by more than 30 points. as the candidate himself, me promised today in a rally tomorrow will go down in history. >> it's going to be a very important day. what's going to happen is you're going to look back on this day in two years from now, in four years from now and you're going to see that you were there at the beginning.
>> the person who won't forget where he was today, a photographerer at the rally who was choke slammed down by a member of the secret service. we'll bring you much more on that in a bit. joining me now is joy reid and rick tyler, former national spokesperson for ted cruz campaign. rick, let me begin with you. explain why people who are scared about trump in the republican party shouldn't be blaming you and the ted cruz campaign that basically per sued a strategy for months of hugging him, refusing to criticize him. ted cruz says it's us in a cage match. i think the guy is terrific. vouching for his conservative credentials. . you created this monster, didn't you? >> when we were saying we're not criticizing trump, we were in single digits in the poll. you have to do things in a certain. it's well known, he has a fan base and called for supporters fans to attack them.
that's what happened to walker. that's what happened. >> you saw that and said no. it will backfire and hurt us. >> if you look at the cruz campaign, we did well after the announcement to being in single digits. now we're one of three. >> you don't question it. you don't watch what's happening now. >> i'm not taking responsibility for this guy, no. >> i'm not asking you to take responsibility. when you look back with the benefit of hindsight, you don't think we broke a little late. >> the news media too. they've only been on trump recently as a serious candidate. >> from the very beginning. we talked about his golf course and trump university and immigration practices. >> most people are hearing these things about trump university now, the bankruptcies now. the failed businesses now.
the imminent domain now. >> partly, joy, that's because these sorts of news stories in the context of the campaign only get traction and movement if another campaign picks them up and runs with that. the new york times can report a great piece and it will land with a thud unless people like romney or rubio pick it up and run with it. >> it's not that the media hasn't done some enterprise stories on trump. there was a story that the daily beast did reviving it being built in part on denying african-americans access to his building and blatant discrimination that landed him in lawsuit, a federal lawsuit. had one of the other campaigns picked that up and run with it, it might have gained some traction. it's not the media's job to take down the presidential front-runner of the republican party.
if anyone in the republican party had bothered to begin marshaling not even the opposition research but google what newt gingrich did in the 2012 campaign to romney. he didn't wait for the media. his super pac did a 30-minute ad. these campaigns have tried to draft on the trump momentum. they tried to wink and nod at the trump supporters who knew they like his birtherism and they wanted to benefit from it. >> when you watch this new rubio routine. to his credit, i think he's pulling it off well. he's saying you won't pay attention when i talk about policy, now i'm making insults about the size of the guy's hands, little something to that. does this all feel too little, too late? >> it's way too little, way too late.
i don't fault rubio. he's kind of right. he's getting more attention now than he was before. he's pretty good at snark. it's worked for trump for a whole year. i cannot believe it's unfathomable how late republicans waited for this. the republican consultant was warning of this six or eight months ago and coming up with plan that nobody ever funded to stop trump. i don't blame ted cruz for it because he had watched rick perry attack trump and get -- he watched bobby jindal attack trump and get pounded down. later down jeb bush was trying it and he got pounded down. >> today rubio is on the trail and getting an applause line out of condemning the kkk. i'm glad he's saying it's no place in this party and in the year 2016, thank the lord there's a standing ovation to reject the kkk.
be was not just yesterday. he's been retweeting an account called white genocide. his supporters have been linked up with the most vile white supremicists for months. >> marco rubio talks about crazy things and it's shocking. it's just diminishing him. trump can't be deminnished diminished because he's living out his brand. >> this not politically correct ends up not proving too much. there's tho no listening condition on that. you can say that's the media being politically correct. that same argument is applicable in any situation. >> exactly. i think trump is inoculated but also because he's a media figure. he's one of us.
he comes from the media world. he's been doing a reality show for more than a dozen years and because he's an entertainer the things he says gets fielded into this entertain m brand. all rubio can do is diminish himself. he came in with this brand he's supposed to be the fresh face of conservati conservativism. i'm not sure why that's an affirmative case to vote for him. somebody who not as good as donald trump. >> in terms of where things stand, we're here in texas, right, largest delegate pool tomorrow.
the only state where trump is behind considerably. he's losing to cruz in polling here. is your expectation that cruz pulls it out here? >> i think cruz does pull it out here. i think it may be closer than it appears. the delegate rules here, cruz should have gotten 50%. he wouldn't have to worry about the delegates stacking up against him. now he does. it may be seen as a loss for cruz. >> the delegate rules have a 20% clearance thresholds. >> 20%. >> if you don't get 20%, you get zero.
with marco sitting at 19%, he could be hundreds, dozens, thousands of votes away from delegates or no delegates. >> if rubio gets 20%, that means trump walks away with a bigger percentage of delegates. it looks like that cruz lost even if he won. >> this is winner -- win or go home. >> yeah. i think cruz will win here. the problem is marco rubio who hasn't won anywhere yet. >> he's got a better argument to stay than rubio does. >> yes. he may not. he may not win his home state in florida. >> he has trailed in florida polls, i think it's in the last 15 polls. >> chris, i was going to say one of the other problems rubio will have is florida already voting, several counties. there was a federal issue with the voting rights act. a lot of counties have started voting. the most active voters are the
trump voters. 500 plus thousands floridans have put their ballots. here where i am in arkansas, more than 140,000 people have voted. there might be trump votes banked even in rubio starts to move up. >> still to come, does bernie sanders still have a chance beyond super tuesday. we'll look at his best case scenario. what happens to the republican party if donald trump becomes the nominee. who should democrats root for to get the republican nomination? we'll talk about that and more, ahead. you can see the discussion
turn violent. multiple videos showing a secret service agent appearing to slam time magazine photo journalist to the ground. time magazine says it's contacted the secret service to express concern about the agent's behavior. time's christopher morris spoke. here is what he had to say. >> i stepped 18 inches and he grabbed me by the neck and started choking me and slammed me to the ground. i never touched him. at the very end i tried to show the press lead what he did to me. i said he choked me so i put my hand on him. that's when i was arrested.
>> morris is briefly detained, not arrested. no charges were press. there was an incident involving a paragrapher and a usss agent at today's trump rally. we're not aware of the details and all future inquiries should be directed to law enforcement. this happened during a black lives matter protest that disrupted the event. earlier this evening the secret service says the secret service is ware of an incident involving an employee that occurred today in virginia. this time our local field office is working with their law enforcement partners to determine the exact circumstances that led up to this incident.
it's key to securing the democratic party nomination. on that front things could not have been worse for sanders in south carolina where according to exit polls he lost black voters by a whooping 72 points which does not bode well for super tuesday for tomorrow. black voters making up a substantial part of the electorate. this is still a numbers game that comes down to delegates. they're betting on a drawn out race to finish. tonight the campaign reported they have already raised $40 million in february hoping to hit the 45 million mark by midnight tonight.
in the last few days sanders has picked up the endorsements of bill clinton's secretary of labor, and hawaii congressman tulsi gabgard who quit her job to endorse sanders. sanders doesn't seem to have any plans to exit the race. >> at the end of tomorrow, i think 15 states will have spoken. i think we have a lot more than 15 states in america, and i
think it's more than appropriate to keep the states and the people in those states a chance to vote for the candidate of their choice. >> april, i think people had a sense that saturday would be a big hillary clinton win. the results were worse than the sanders campaign would have imagined and better for clinton than i think they were hoping. >> you're right. no one imagined it would be such a wide gap. when i say wide, we saw how wide. one thing hillary clinton can tout is she's linked to barack obama and she's playing that up and playing it up rightfully so. she was there with many issues, historic matters and she was taking the -- they took a picture of her in the room when bin laden was killed. she is linked to one of the
greatest presidents in modern times, next to her husband, on the democratic side and bernie sanders has to find way to rebuff that or go against that and find way to get his stride. he had his stride for a moment before nevada. he's trying to figure out how he can regain that momentum and figure out if he can play the cards for super tuesday. >> this is the question i think the sanders campaign faces so far. oklahoma he's pulling ahead in oklahoma and vermont. he's behind in texas, virginia, georgia, alabama, tennessee and even massachusetts is beginning to be quite close. there's two strategies. they have to take a new approach and figure out how to win over voters of color, particularly african-american or prolong the race. it's hard to see way to the nomination if the margins he has among plaque voters endure.
>> i talked to bernie sanders thursday morning. i was asking him about this and the potential loss in south carolina. he said we're looking to super tuesday. he was clear and keenly aware that young people were the plus for him. he understood that older people are not really in his base, his base grouping. he said young people, he's counting on young people. he said young people of all races, we'll have to see how it plays out. when you go to places like georgia, you have the icon, congressman john louis in the camp of hillary clinton, that's a problem. you still have him saying he's gotten the support of spike lee and harry belafonte and killer mike, the rapper. he goes on with this list. you still have that machine. the clinton machine.
>> there's a trump factor at play here. i think this saturday was the first democratic primary that happened under a kind of presumption that the nominee, thisdaunting awareness that's trump. >> i'm glad you brought that up. i asked about donald trump. the rnc is hopeful he will win. he said the rnc may not need to count their chickens too fast. he said he may not have the numbers that hillary clinton has but he still would win. according to the polls, the current polls if he were the nominee, he could still beat donald trump. expecting hillary clinton.
: they would tell people call your credit card company. have them increase your borrow ing limit you can borrow that money and pay us. they gave their money to trump university and they got nothing. the only thing they left with was a picture with a cardboard cut out of donald trump. i realize what he did to those students is what he's trying to do to you. >> where you know of the many new attacks marco rubio launched. the venture was a series of motivational seminars held in hotels around the country. the subject of three pending lawsuits, one in new york and
two in california accuing trump of scamming students out of their money. trump may take the witness stand in the coming months during the presidential campaign. rubio is making trump university a key part of his stump speech. an outside spending group is running ads featuring so-called trump
university victims. >> i spent about $30,000 in trump university and all it did was ruin my credit and my life. they promised everything from start to finish. their expertise, knowledge, input, the financing. they didn't really deliver on anything. there's 5,000 victims in this. >> the american future fund is unaffiliated with any candidate. trump university seems to have had extremely shady practices as we reported on the show. marco rubio may not be the pest spokesman for the cause.
he's connected with the most notorious for profit school system in the country. they were fined $30 million and sued by the federal government for misrepresenting job p placement numbers to boost enrollment. not only has rubio advocated for alternative education but he's been fitted from over 27,000 donations in corinthian colleges over the past five years. he even stood up for the company in 2014. he wrote a letter asking them to demonstrate leniency and keep federal aid dollars flowing during the investigation. since 2010, corinthian enrolled 350,000 students who took out financial aid loans up to $3.5 billion.
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>> just six months ago the nine leading republican candidates minus donald trump pledged with millions of people watching to support the eventual nominee for president. even trump would later go onto sign that pledge. suddenly seems very, very real. the reality is we're seeing massive fissure on that. senator ben sasse became the first sitting senator to say no. he will not be voting for trump. he said he could end up leaving the republican party. >> i think that a lot of people who want to protest vote to try to scream washington is broken, they need to recognize that there's a whole bunch of other people who say if this becomes the david duke donald trump party, there's a lot of us who are out.
both of those states came after the new york times reported that senate majority leader, mitch mcconnel said will drop him like a hot rock. the governor of new jersey has gone one step further. wittman who criticized the current governor said this weekend that if it came down it, she would vote for hillary clinton over trump if trump is the nominee. i spoke with the former governor and asked her if she was surprised by christie's bomb shell endorsement. >> it didn't really surprise me. i heard rumors this might be happening. it disappointing me because as the governor of a diverse state of new jersey to feel comfort able with all he said about donald to get comfortable and endorse someone who is race baiting and appealing to some of the worst emotions in people really was a disappointment to me. >> does it change your view of who chris christie is? >> well, chris, feels this. he does believe that at the end of the day donald trump will be the winner. that's what he feels is most important. i have a problem because i'd like to see someone elected to the presidency who can bring the country together and make things happen. that's what i'm looking for and that's why i'm supporting john kasich. it's not over yet. some of the media like to say
it's all over. we forget, tomorrow, tuesday, will be only one state that has a winner take off. the rest are all proportional. there's a very good chance that john kasich can win. >> you refer to john kasich who you have endorsed. you wrote a book about the republican party about its tendencies moving to the right over a period of years. there's this argument i've seen in some quarters, among conservatives that want to disown donald trump that he is a moderate republican. what do you think of that argument? >> i think it's absolutely -- i can't use that language on television. it's invalid. he's not even a republican. he's just sort of become a republican. he really doesn't stand for anything. he blusters, bullies.
he makes big promises but didn't anything to back them up about how he will accomplish these things. the perception of this country and the way we move forward should not be based on someone who thinks they can shout other people down and that's the way to get things down. that's not the way our democracy was founded. our founding fathers are very strong and many days very contemporary prejudices and desires but they understood they needed to get something done. in order to do that you have to find consensus. you don't shout at people and bully them. >> you have said, if i'm not mistaken, you won't vote for him in the general election. you would vote for hillary clinton if she were the nominee. is that something you think you'll see from a lot of republicans? are we looking at a genuine split in the party right now? one of those things that comes along every century or will people suck it up and fall in line?
>> a number of people will suck it up. you have got mitch mcconnell who is the leader in the senate saying in really contested races if donald trump is the nominee and think they he will damage them, they can run ads against him. what's that saying to their con constituents about who they should vote for? i don't want to vote for hillary clinton. i don't more of the policies we have seen and i think there's way to avoid that. that's why i feel so strongly we shouldn't give up this soon. but donald trump is not my candidate. >> what does it mean for the future of the republican party? if he loses people can go back to what was before. if he was to become the president of the united states, it's hard for me to see the republican party surviving that.
>> i can't possibly speculate on what that would be like. it's not something i want to see. i don't want to go there. it would keep me up too much. i'm already kept up worrying about where we're going and how things are progressing. it's really sad. we have seen over and over cyber bullying and the problems that bullying can bring and the hurt that can occur from that. our kids are seeing this is the way you win an election. you dismiss or get out of hand and nobody listens to their radio show, fortunately. it's not the message we should be sending for the future. >> it's the sad truth about adult life that bullies win a lot. thank you very much. still to come, the question i'm getting from so many democrats, which out come amongst the republicans should they be rooting for? we'll talk about that ahead. so much focus now. there's something on wednesday morning that's just as important.
so much focus now. there's something on wednesday morning that's just as important. the single biggest case will be decided by a scalialess court. the argument happens on wednesday. he was quite anti-choice. it pertains to a law texas that rears doctors to have admitting privileges in hospitals and prohibits clinics from providing abortions. advocates say the certifications are completely unnecessary to provide safe abortion. the law was enacted in 2013 and partially blocked by a 5-4 decision.
the current make up is 4-4. if there's a tie on wednesday, which is possible, the lower courts decision will stand. before the law was passed there were about 40 licensed abortion providers in texas. about half remain. if the law is required to take full effect, there will be ten left. the decision will come later this sum. ahead, should democrats be rooting for trump. we'll talk about that, next. machine plap .
as i see it there's two ways of thinking about this. one is that donald trump represents a deserved come uppings for the conservative movement. the result of stoking paranoid and backlash throughout the obama era. if trump won the nomination, he would lose the general election by a land slide sending the republican party into crisis. on the other hand, if trump wins the nomination, he will be just one election away from becoming president of the united states of america. friends on social media are considering switching the registration to vote in republican primaries if the state allows it so they can vote against trump. on the eve of super tuesday with enough delegates to give trump a commanding lead, the big question for liberals is this. what should liberals be rootsing for tomorrow? we'll discuss it after the break.
joining me now msnbc contributor and charlie pierce. this is the question, i had a birth day party this weekend. i was talking to the folks not news junkies but pretty politically informed. what do i want to see here if i'm not a republican if i'm on the other part of the political spectrum? sam, what's your feeling?
>> i'm glad what i want doesn't necessarily always come true. i'm terrified at the idea that donald trump could be the president of the united states. if he becomes the nominee of the republican party, he's one step closer. i have to think at the end of the day regardless of who the democratic nominee is that the american public is just going to broadly speaking reject him. i think he's doing well with republicans. i don't think he's doing well with normal people and i think that to large extent, it's going to hurt down ticket a lot more than any other republican candidate. that's the theory is he will be an electoral disaster at top but have tremendous drag. i think there's a good reason for that. i think all things being equal and standing as they are now, that's probably true. the other thing is you can't control what happens the next six months whether an economic crisis precipitated by some huge problem in china or a horrible attack on soil, those can change the calculations in ways that
are somewhat terrifying to consider. >> well, first of all, if i say something that later proves to be wrong, i'm blaming it on my ear piece. i'm telling you now. is marco rubio any better? is ted cruz any better? marco rubio is a bag of feathers they have the tie to the floor so he doesn't fly out the window and ted cruz is a religious maniac. i think the people are speaking in the republican party and a lot of nice republicans don't like what the people are saying. this is the party that in 2008, had a -- 2004, had a line of candidates in new hampshire and a third of them said they don't believe in evolution. this has been a slow burning process.
>> right. go ahead. >> well, i mean, we have to remember, eight years ago, john mccain, the so called moderate, chose sarah palin to be his running mate. that's also, when you think about it, a fairly terrifying idea as well. >> right. that's the perfect example. i remember having a very similar conversation after he chose sarah palin with a democrat. someone who is fairly high ranking in the democrat party. they said on the one hand i think she'll be ultimately a liability on the ticket. if he wins she'll be a heartbeat away from the presidency. the stakes are larger. we're a 50/50 nation. it's a little more than a way of the coin flip. >> what is making these candidates so terrifying?
to a large extent it's their constituency. mitch mcconnell, there's no calculation to reject a supreme court nomination. pretend like you'll take the process seriously and reject the nominee. his constituency demands that he pay no respect to the process and no respect to the president. the real concern here is not just these candidates, it's who's voting for them. that's a problem regardless of who on the republican side wins. >> charlie, you take the line, peter said that liberals should rally to support marco rubio. the argument is that donald trump is abnormally bad candidate in the distinct way that could threaten the republic and marco rubio is run of the mill candidate that you might disagree with. you don't buy that distinction?
>> no. i don't buy that at all. first of all, i don't know why any liberal would vote for marco rubio for the purpose of propping up the republican party as it falls apart. if the republican party and the republican coalition such as it is is falling to smitherens, the best thing for a liberal to do is step out of way. the republican party has got to reconstitute itself into a sane political party. that won't happen unless it collapses entirely. >> as a journalist i should be clear of my biases that i'm rooting for a contested convention. thank you both. >> come on. >> that is "all in" for this evening. live from the harris county smoke out of houston, texas, the rachel maddow show starts now.
i was thinking you're probably having a much better work food source in your life right now. >> i had a brisket sandwich for lunch. i'm considering another one for dinner. i don't think that's a good idea. i'm going to sit on that after the show. >> if you bring me home some brisket, i'll make it worst your while. happy super tuesday eve. in the last race, the presidential debates that year started so early. the republican started debating in 2012, a year and a half before the election. they started in the spring of 2011. ultimately there were 20 different republican debates in the 2012 race. the debates were amazing. michelle bachmann and herman cain with the 999 thing. what might have been the nuttiest presidential debate of all that year, got scheduled for late december 2011 and never