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action to prevent other children and people from being murdered. and i know that 92% of americans agree with me. and 85% of gun owners do. but we've got to make this a voting issue. you know, the gun lobby really intimidates elected officials. and they just basically vote the way they're told. you know, my opponent talks about powerful lob ease in washington and there are a number of them. nothing is more powerful than the gun lobby. and until we're ready to take them on and hold them accountable, we will not be in a position to try to begin to reduce the deaths from the epidemic of gun violence. so i'm going to need the help of every single one. >> thank you, secretary clinton. thank you for coming here. and thank you to the old state capitol here in springfield for hosting all of this tonight. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> we're going to take our country back from these people. >> a dark campaign gets even
darker. the republican front runner now thinking about paying a violent supporter's legal bills. >> i actually instructed my people to look into it. >> tonight, the fact and fiction about violence and the trump campaign. >> there's no violence. >> as the stop trump movement throws the kitchen sink -- >> this is the guy that ohio needs to vote for. >> and the front runner calls in backup. >> petty punk [ bleep ] little thuggery stuff that's been going on. >> and as democrats dual in ohio and florida and beyond, how candidates are forced to deal with. >> when you are inciting mob violence which is what trump is doing in those clips, there's a lot of memories people have. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from, florida. i'm chris hayes here in one of the five states where voters will head to the polls tomorrow
on a potentially decisive day that may well put donald trump on a glide path to the gop presidential nomination. florida is the biggest prize tomorrow for the republicans, a winner take all state with 99 delegates up for grabs. polls show trump currently with an average 19-point lead over florida senator marco rubio, who desperately needs a somewhat magical upset at this point in his home state. the total of 367 delegates total up for grabs. tomorrow marks perhaps the most important election day so far. one that could either establish trump as the presumptive gop nominee, or set up a long slog to contested and likely chaotic nominating convention in cleveland in july. that is what is on the ballast tomorrow. the possible point of no return on donald trump as a major party presidential nominee. the stakes have only gotten higher over the past 72 hours, as we have witnessed in real-time the unraveling of long-standing and established
norms against mob violence as a routine part of the american democratic political process. and watch as trump has continued to count and times openly encourage his supporters to engage in violence against protesters. a group that trump supporter sarah palin today dismissed to wild cheers at a trump rally in tampa. >> what we don't have time for is all that petty punk [ bleep ] little thuggery stuff that's been going on! with these quote, unquote, protesters. >> just a short time ago, trump wrapped up a rally in youngstown, ohio, another gop winner take all state voting tomorrow where he mocked john kasich for being an absentee governor before taking a shot at the man who introduced him it at the rally. chris christie, who was sitting right there. >> your governor is absentee. he goes -- listen to this. because i know, because i was there. but i go back and i still work.
i have a job, right? you've got to do your job. so your governor, kasich, if you look at him -- and i'm being totally impartial. he goes to new hampshire, he's living in new hampshire. living. where is chris? is chris around? even more than chris christie, he was there. right? even more. i hated to do that. but i had to make my point. >> the sights and sounds coming out of trump when violence broke out between trump supporters and protesters after trump cancelled a rally after it was set to begin had been truly astounding. in hickory, confederate flag emblazoned with the words, "make america great again." a nazi salute, go back to auschwitz. intention exchanges between trump protesters and supporters. >> build that wall, build that wall, build that wall!
>> this campaign trump called on his supporters to, quote, knock the crap out of protesters and said he wanted to punch one in the face. he's repeatedly pined for the supposed good old days when political protesters were, quote, carried out on a stretcher. >> honestly, protesters -- theyel realize it. they realize that there are no consequences to protesting any more. there used to be consequences. there are none any more. >> last week, a protester at a trump rally was violently smashed in the face by an apparent trump supporter and eventually that supporter was arrested. yesterday, trump claimed he doesn't condone violence, but then defended the man who threw that sucker punch. >> the man got carried away. >> right. >> he was 78 years old. he obviously loves this country. and maybe he doesn't like seeing what's happening to the country. i want to see the full tape. >> so you don't pay for his legal fees. >> i don't -- well, i'm going to look at it. i'm going to see what was behind this. because it was a strange event. but from what i heard, there was
a -- you know, there was a lot of taunting and a certain finger was placed in the air. not nice. >> i just want to take a moment to let that statement sink in. that he is looking into paying legal fees of the man who elbow-smashed a nonviolent protester in the face and that the man who threw that sucker punch into another man's face, quote, obviously loves his country. obviously. today the cumberland county sheriff's office in north carolina said it was investigating if there was a connection between trump's conduct and the assault that took place, raising the possibility of charging trump with inciting a riot. late tonight, a sheriff announced it would not charge trump. at a campaign rally today, ted cruz responded to a pro-trump protester, who yelled, "go back to canada," this way. >> we will be respectful. see, sir, one difference between this and a donald trump rally. i'm not asking anyone to punch you in the face. >> john kasich, meanwhile, taking to passing out literature
telling people to, quote, fight the darkness. tomorrow could mark armageddon and they're making their last stand for what could be the first stand in a long slog through the spring and summer months. in part, through a pair of new anti trump ads from the our principles pac, spotlighting campaign rally violence and trump's comments on women. >> bimbo. >> dog. >> fat pig. >> real quotes from donald trump. about women. >> a person who is very flat-chested is very hard to be a 10. >> joining me now, msnbc political analyst, michael steele and katie packer, from mitt romney's presidential campaign and founders of the our principles pac which you just saw. katie, i think both ads are very well-done, very effective. but it feels a little like why are we seeing this now? i was going through the quotes that are in the women ad, and a lot of those quotes were around years ago or months ago. is -- is this too little, too
late? >> well, we'll see tomorrow. the goal of our principles pac has always been to share information, ultimately the voters have to decide. and the voters are going to have to decide whether or not on one hand donald trump is a candidate that has the kind of character and temperament, as he incites this kind of aggressive behavior in his rallies. and number two, if this is a guy that you want to have as our commander in chief and the president of our country when he i'm humiliates and demeans and said himself that you have to treat women like crap to use a more pg-rated word, this is how he treats women. he shows them total disdain and disrespect, unless they're a super model or somehow enrich him financially. and i think that it's important information at whatever point it comes. and hopefully, people will pay attention tomorrow. >> michael, i think i like a lot of americans watching the last 72 hours or four days play out have been pretty disturbed by what feels like something being
cultivated and stoked and the flames being fanned in a way that's not going to a good place. i mean, what is your reaction to watching what looks to be someone genuinely channelling mob rage in a way that it's been a long time since we've seen in american politics? >> utterly disappointed. very, very concerned about how we project this party to the american people in a general campaign, let alone a primary. but, you know, certainly in a general campaign. i think that the trump team has to take stock. i mean, i get it. i understand it. it's, you know, a lot of bloviating, a lot of hot air and noise and saber rattling. but at the end of the day, you've got to turn the corner and demonstrate presidential prowess and mind-set that gives comfort to the american people, to let them know that, you know, of all the people in the room to have a hot temper, it shouldn't be you. and so i think that that is
something that we're going to have to see play out. i doubt that it will, because it's working right now. and that's unfortunate. it says a lot about where i think the american people find themselves right now, chris. and as they channel a lot of this anger and frustration, and where our political process is, particularly on the republican side, which, you know, causes other republicans now to look at this and go, we cannot support the nominee, potential nominee of the party. i think that's a very tough and dangerous spot for the party to be in, longer-term. >> i mean, he has been -- he's been sort of crossing boundaries from the day into the race and each boundary -- new boundary, some segment of people say this is it. and rubicon after rubicon after rubicon sort of gleefully leapt over. i mean, i guess, katie, to you, is there a point of no return? has it been crossed? at what point is there a point of no return such the point that people like yourself, people that are the core, the institutional makeup of the republican party say we'll do
everything we can to make sure this guy is defeated all the way through november? >> well, he crossed that line for me months ago. i've been very clear on the fact that this is not a candidate that i could ever support. but the important thing is not -- this isn't about me. 35% of republican voters have said that they could never vote for trump in a general election. that's coaccording to a cnn pol that's an unsustainable number for a republican candidate going into the fall. usually republican candidates get upwards of 90%. democrat candidates upwards of 9 oh% of voters in their own party. 35% -- even if half that. 17.5% would be catastrophic for the republican party. basically the choice people are making when they choose trump is not only to lose the white house in the fall, but a question of how many down ballot republicans does he take with him? >> yeah -- >> michael -- >> go ahead. yeah, please. >> i don't know if i subscribe to all of that. you know, the down ballots. we're not losing the house of representatives, regardless of who the nominee of the party is,
number one. so i've heard some republicans -- >> very optimistic. >> no, the numbers -- katie, come on. that's not happening. so let's be honest. the senate is much more in play, because the margin is much smaller there. the five or six seats the democrats need to flip the senate. that's a problem for those red senators in blue states like new hampshire and wisconsin, for example. but i think longer-term, the party is really going to have to come to grips with where we are and who we are, beyond donald trump. and that's something that's not being settled right now. and whether it's cruz or anyone else, it's going to be an issue downstream. >> chris can i just add there if we lose the senate, we lose the ability to block any supreme court appointment of hillary clinton. so that in and of itself, i totally disagree with michael steele. you know, the ramifications are endless. >> i'm going to take that up with my next guest, actually. michael steele and katie packer,
thank you for your time tonight. joining me now is columnist for the guardian and "rolling stone" most famous for the remarkable series of book reviews you've done. i want to play this idea of him as the face of the party, particularly at this moment, right? one of the things i think is being lost is, he seems to be defying political gravity, no matter what he does, no such thing as bad press. if you're looking at the actually polling, his net unbehaviorables keep getting worse and worse. people actually don't like this. here's a new dsce ad tying him to a senate campaign. take a listen. >> i think we're going to make america great again, right? >> i'll support the republican nominee. >> i plan to support the republican nominee. >> i will support the nominee, regardless of who it is. >> do you buy the catastrophe scenario that some of the republican anti term forces are talking about now? >> i think historically, you've seen with the landslide election
with mcgovern and nixon, mcgovern gets defeated whole hog and then the democratic party was fine. i think historically, the republican party can come out of this all right in terms of winning a general -- presidential election, they're going to have to decide whether they want to lose one or two. i don't think that trump is some metastasis of this sort of conservative thinking. i think he's kind of a really grand-standing apathosis. you have the minutemen, cheer leaded by members of congress. these will guys who are yahoos and technicals patrolling the border with guns and they have been celebrated. or jarro payo, basically our version of the bavarian gull rider, his weird thief dom. how many people has he endorsed? so you can go ahead and condemn trumpism. but you're going to have to do something about the fertile field that grew trump. >> that is his moment. you're seeing this sort of crazy thing happening on the right right now, where even breitbart,
which has been the most sort of pro trump outlet, has basically exploded in the last few days over the allegation that a campaign manager grabbed one of the reporters violently and left bruises on her arm and people have resigned. all these physician physical you'res are orupturing in the open. is this some moment of some actual self reflection. >> the easy option, we didn't run a true conservative, the 2012-2008 storyline. and trump is not a true conservative. he's got a lot of apostates for opinions and so you can go ahead and run him and lose and then you'll go ahead and run somebody like ted cruz next time who might downplay some of that divisive and punishing rhetoric and make it more palatable. cruz lards it with a layer of smarm. but i don't think it's going to ultimately long-term, demographically, be a winning strategy. >> you're a floridan. we're in florida now. somebody described an event today here in west palm beach as
he will owe geeic, like attending a live wake for a man. he's done here. >> i think so. i have gone to a couple different rallies, trump and cruz and asked people if they even considered rubio. and they were done months ago. whether it was the immigration thing or actually funnily enough, didn't hurt him when he was running here for senate. his absenteeism. but the fact that jeb bush brought it up, ted cruz brought it up, donald trump brought it up. you know, why would i elect you to the most important job in the world when i gave you -- we gave you one and you didn't do it. >> jeb lund, great to see you in person. thank you for joining me. still ahead, the elephant as it were in the democratic race, how hillary clinton and bernie sanders are addressing the encroaching donald trump. plus, what really happened in chicago, comparing the story as told by the trump campaign to the actual sequence of events as we know them. and later, a preview of tomorrow night's super tuesday. does bernie sanders have another upset waiting for him? is it still possible to deny trump the nomination? we will look at that, and more, just ahead.
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if you've been looking for a little preview what have a general election against donald trump might look like, what arguments the democratic nominee might marshal against him, the president on friday gave us a nice little preview. speaking to democrats in texas, president obama touted the many successes of his administration, and then he turned his attention squarely to donald trump. >> imagine what trump would say if he actually had a record like this. instead of selling steaks. has anybody tried that? how good can that wine be? i'm sorry.
where was i? you've got all these candidates on the other side tripping all over themselves to talk down the economy when it is the bright spot in the world economy. so here's the truth. look it up. america is pretty darn great right now! america is moving forward right now. the american people should be proud of what we achieved together. right now. >> up next, hillary clinton and bernie sanders make their case against what is happening in this country right now on the right. stay with us. pet moments are beautiful, unless you have allergies.
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rally in chicago friday night, both candidates have intensified their criticism of and focus on trump's possible candidacy. today clinton accused donald trump of citing mob violence in ways that are reminiscent of an earlier, darker time. >> when you are inciting mob violence, which is what trump is doing in those clips, there's a lot of memories that people have. you know, they're in the dna. people remember mob violence that led to lynching. people remember mob violence that led to people being shot, being, you know, grabbed, being mistreated. >> meanwhile, bernie sanders has funded forcefully to trump's accusations he himself was involved in protests to shut down the trump chicago rally. >> there was zero effort on the part of our campaign to organize any disruption at trump's campaign. i've got to say this. and, you know, if you know me, i've never run a negative tv ad
in my life. we respect our opponents. people in vermont know that. and i know marco rubio and i know ted cruz. and all these guys. but with trump, what you are dealing with -- and i say this without any joy. this guy is a pathological liar. >> tonight with less than 24 hours until pollses close in ohio, sanders and clinton are making their final arguments to democratic voters in the still contested race. with bernie sanders stunning upset in michigan, fresh in everyone's memory, and polling in ohio, showing hillary clinton up eight points over sanders, a full 13 points less than her lead on the eve of voting in michigan, tomorrow night may still have some more surprises in store. joining me now, democratic senator, sharon brown of ohio, who has endorsed hillary clinton for president, and senator earlier today, with my colleague, chris matthews, hillary clinton said of sanders about his approach to trade deals that basically, he's against everything with international implications, even before they're done. is that fair?
>> well, yeah, it's fair. it's fair, but so am i. i've been against these trade agreements too. i think the issue is what are we doing to try to change our trade policy. and, you know, hillary has very specifically laid out a much more detailed, in-depth manufacturing plan, what to do about trade, with their special trade prosecutor on currency, on issues like nonmarket economy, what to do about designation there with china. and i just think there is a depth of understanding. and i've worked with hillary in some of the plans on this. and i -- bernie has been against and i applaud him for that and stood with him as we did that. i don't know that i've seen him, and i'm not really being critical of him and i don't want to be, because i don't think that's what this race is about. but i want to look forward on how we put together a trade policy that works. because we're going to trade. there is going to be globalization, but we need to do it under terms, under rules that work as rules work for our domestic economy on the dynamic
of capitalism. you need to do trade in the same way. and i think hillary clinton understands that. and that's why i like the direction she wants to take us in. >> well, let me -- i'm going to -- present to you a cynical case. and you tell me why i'm wrong. democratic politicians come to ohio every election, every four years, and they critique trade deals. i remember in 2008, the primary, barack obama was attacking hillary clinton from her left on trade as a supporter of nafta. he gets elected president, he's now passing the tpp. they say it's much better and has stronger safeguards than nafta of did. the cynical view is basically, in the week before the ohio primary, everybody gets religion on trade deals, and then as soon as they become president, they push for more. >> yeah. i hear that cynicism. i kind of shared that back in 2008. when i heard both candidates then say something that i wasn't really convinced of. but i've seen something different. first of all, i've seen the input she has welcomed.
she has let me and worked with me in helping formulate trade policy. i think the world is different. and i think secretary clinton knows that. i see all four presidential candidates, the leading four, cruz and trump and sanders and clinton, all oppose tpp. and hillary can recite chapter and verse about what's wrong with it. and how to fix it. and i will be standing with her as she does that when i'm chairman of the banking committee in 2009 -- 2017 and sit on the finance committee that works on trade deals. and i think we'll see a very different trade policy, a very different tax policy. no more this whole business plan that has become the way companies do things now. you shut down production in mansfield, ohio, and sandusky, ohio, move it to china, sell products back into the u.s. that doesn't work for the country -- our country any more. i think hillary clinton has an acute understanding of that and how you fix it. >> all right. senator sharon brown of ohio, always a pleasure. thank you for joining me.
>> my pleasure too. thank you. joining me now, another ohioan, nina it turner, who has endorsed bernie sanders for president. nina, i've been hearing from a lot of sanders people increasingly as the trump phenomenon has sort of gained force and as people now really expect him to be the nominee that sanders is in a better position to take him on in the general election. do you believe that's the case? >> i do, chris. because senator sanders -- the emotions that we see coming from the american people, whether they're on the left or the right, they're tired of the status quo. they're tired of business, as usual. and senator sanders has stood up strongly to say enough is enough. we're going to do things differently in this country. and we're going to make sure that the working poor and middle class are at the center of the universe. we know that all of the national polls -- and i know people are going to say it's too early to look at those polls, show that senator sanders is by far the best democratic candidate to go head-to-head with mr. trump.
he is tapping into a raw emotion, as well, chris. but he's doing it in a positive way. >> but here's my question to you. how -- i mean, i hear this from sanders' supporters. here's my question. how do you possibly win a change election when you are going to be the democratic nominee following two turns of barack obama? the idea of we're going to finally for the first time do something right when you are going to be the person running after barack obama, that just seems like that's going to be a very, very tough sell, and if people want change, they're not going to go for a democrat. >> well, chris, you build on the good things that the president has done under enormous pressure and obstruction from the republicans. but what senator sanders is saying is that $15 an hour -- people deserve a living wage. universal health care as a right in this country. tuition-free college so children don't graduate with a debt in one hand and degree in the area. he is acknowledging pain and
challenges that americans are feeling and also taking it a step further to say that we together can change this and make this better. so i believe fully that senator sanders has the right message to go head-to-head with mr. trump. >> there's a real concern also that -- i mean, unlike hillary clinton, who has been through probably more scrutiny than almost any public figure in american life, i think it would almost be fair to say, that sanders basically is an unknown to so many people and essentially right now his positive approval ratings, which are quite positive, are just a sort of byproduct. and when he starts getting attacked, that's going to plummet. >> i don't agree with that, chris. i think that's just a copout from people who don't want to see him in the general election. let us not forget, the secretary has not been in a general election either. understand. she has not been in a general election. senator sanders will continue to run this race, and he will be a great general election candidate. he will be able to handle whatever they try to throw at him, because he is running for the heart and soul of this
country, to lift the working class and the middle class people in this country to deal with a rigged economy and a rigged political system, enough is enough. and american people feel the same way. he will be just fine in the general election. >> all right. nina turner, thanks so much for joining me. appreciate it. >> thanks, chris. up next, there is a lot of misinformation going around about what exactly led up to donald trump cancelling his rally in chicago. and i think it's important to set that record straight. and we're going to do that, just after the break. don't go anywhere. out on the town or in for the night, at&t helps keep everyone connected. right now at at&t, buy the new samsung galaxy s7 and get one free. no matter how you hang out, share every minute of it. buy one water resistant samsung galaxy s7 and get one free. and right now, get up to $650 in credits per line to help you switch to at&t.
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rather than fighting in chicago, i did something that was a good move, a good decision, because i don't want to see anybody be hurt. and what happened is -- and we've been given so much credit for that decision. nobody hurt, nobody -- no problem. went away. >> not only is donald trump refusing to call for calm or did he denounce his supporters who engage in thuggish violence, but he's been telling a distorted story about what happened on friday night. taking credit for diffusing a tense situation with his decision to cancel at the last minute. there clearly was fighting inside the arena. people did get hurt. whatever problems there were between protestsers and trump supporters did not go away with the campaign's announcement. in fact, and this is important, it was more like the opposite. various media outlets reported that trump cancelled own after
clashes broke out in the venue. violent protesters forced trump campaign to cancel rally. even the "new york times" headline, donald trump's rally in chicago cancelled after violent scuffles. but from several eyewitness accounts and msnbc's own tape of the rally, that does not appear to have been the chain of events. while trump says he made the decision after, quote, meeting with law enforcement, the chicago police department told the "washington post" they had no role, were not consulted or provided an opinion. and the police at the university of illinois where the rally was being held, likewise confirmed they were not consulted. and though it's clear, there was a huge number of protesters inside that event, by some estimates as much as a third of all the attendees, things appear to have been fairly calm in the arena, if a bit tense, right up until the cancellation itself was announced. >> tonight's rally will be postponed until another day. thank you very much for your attendance and please go in peace.
>> go in peace. that was obviously not what happened. with that announcement, the tensions between supporters and protesters seemed to break loose. and the rest of the nation saw the results. in other words, it wasn't that there was violence in the venue which caused trump to cancel the rally. but rather, that trump cancelling the rally precipitated violence in the venue. keep in mind, that this kind of violence only occurs at trump rallies. a fact that trump himself seems to regard as a badge of honor. coming up next, an inside look at the climate of rage and intimidation at donald trump's campaign events. portunity's kno where self-proclaimed financial superstars pitch you investment opportunities. i've got a fantastic deal for you- gold! with the right pool of investors, there's a lot of money to be made. but first, investors must ask the right questions and use the smartcheck challenge to make the right decisions. you're not even registered; i'm done with you! i can...i can... savvy investors check their financial pro's
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the really scary part was how trump supporters at the event reacted. listen carefully to the voices yelling in the crowd. [ yelling ] >> kick his ass, kill him. a bunch of stuff we had to bleep out and that kind of thing not just reserved for protesters who actually disrupt events. tony dokoupil recorded the following scene outside a trump rally on saturday. >> go back to africa! if you're an african first, go back to africa! if you're an african first, go back to africa! >> go back to europe! >> so [ bleep ] you!
>> there's this video taken outside what appears to be the same event. >> go to auschwitz. go to [ bleep ] auschwitz. >> go to auschwitz. go back to f'ing auschwitz. dangerous places to be or merely someone the campaign doesn't like? just wearing a hijab and a t-shirt can get you harassed and kicked out as we saw in south carolina back in january. as can just being part of a group of black students, like the ones ejected from another rally in georgia late last month, who never protested. at a trump last night in boca raton, a columnist attending as a private citizen was kicked out he says simply for recording video on his phone. >> it is a public park. >> it is not a public park.
>> it's not? >> tonight it is rented by the donald trump campaign and they are the ones who say can come and go. okay? so -- >> so my options are either going now or what? >> at this point, going out or going to jail. >> the man was kicked out of that trump rally last night joins me now, michael mayo, columnist for the "south florida sun sentinel." take me through this. you went to the event -- >> general attendee. >> yeah, what happens when we got notified there was going to be this event, there was a website link, it's called event bright.com, where you register to attend as a general person, general public. i provided all my information accurately. i got this ticket on my phone. and then i showed up at the event. there was no rules or attachment -- guidelines attached to that ticket saying you can't do this, or they didn't ask me about -- if i was a newspaper person. i just showed up, went through the metal detectors like everybody else and was roaming
around the crowd. and actually, the crowd -- everybody in the general admission crowd was using their phones to take photos and videos and was encouraged to post to social media by the campaign people and the warmup rallies, gave a special hash tag for the event. so they're encouraging everyone to tweet, facebook and i did the same. >> right. but at these events, they have a rule that press can't circulate and talk to supporters. they keep them in what's called a press pen where they bound in. we saw one guy get clocked by secret service when he tried to leave it, right? >> right. >> so they come up to you, see your press badge and what do they say? >> that's the thing. i wasn't in the pen, didn't ask for a media credential. in my mind, i didn't need it, because i wasn't there working on deadline, i didn't have a computer. and when the -- trump campaign operative, who wouldn't fully identify himself, just called himself "justin," wouldn't give me his title. i gave him my card, hold him who i was. and basically said i couldn't do what i was doing and i would have to leave. and, you know, i've been a
journalist 30 years, sports writer a long time. news site for the last 14 years and i have never encountered a situation like that. basically just for the act of being and doing what everybody else was doing in the general crowd, i was basically given an ultima ultimate i am of leaving or being arrested. >> i've seen this at several events. they essentially instruct the law enforcement that this is private property and they say who can come and go. it's a private event and that's the word law enforcement will use to people, whether it's just a group of black people who happen to be there, that are then told this is a private event and you can't come here and law enforcement is going to take you out or someone with a press badge. >> here's the surprising thing. i was under the impression the first amendment applies, especially when it's kind of a mass public setting, where the public is invited in. but i talked to some constitutional lawyers today, and i was a little surprised that right now, donald j. trump is considered a entity, and he is allowed to control who comes
and goes. the analogy i heard is it's like a birthday party. i got an invitation, i was allowed in and for whatever reason they want, they kicked me out. >> this is the thing they say about all their events. what you have is you end up with people who are paid law enforcement of the state enforcing whatever private wins -- >> exactly. >> of this campaign, whether that means, profiling people based on the way they look or not wanting people to talk to their supporters, and just to be clear, that doesn't happen at other campaign events. >> no. and i covered a marco rubio rally two weeks ago down here in miami. exactly the same way i did this one. and i had no hassles, no problems. >> no, this is what you do. you go to campaign events if you're a reporter and you talk to people. that's what you do. michael, thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> coming up, the eve of another super tuesday, even superer, and the stakes are high for both republicans and democrats. what to watch, just ahead. when heartburn hits
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needs to vote for, america is counting on you. let's do it. let's welcome a great governor of a great state, john kasich. >> mitt romney today, stumping for john kasich, saying america is counting on ohio and at least among the anti trump portion of the republican party, he is correct. because for trump to win the nomination outright, collecting 1,237 delegates before the convention, looks like ohio is important. the current delegate count as trump at 458 and a lead on ted cruz. as we have been saying tonight, the two biggest prizes are here in florida and ohio, because they are winner take all primaries with 165 delegates at stake between them. if donald trump wins both states, he will have amassed enough delegates and said he would only need to win 53% of delegates in the remaining contest to secure the nomination. and achievable prospect, especially, if the field win owed to two candidates. but that path to victory gets much more difficult if he loses one or both of these states.
for instance, if trump only wins florida, he would need 60% of the remaining delegates. and if he loses both, he would need 70%, each of which are pretty steep challenges. so what are trump's chances of winning both states? right now, polling shows him with a comfortable lead in florida. polling average, according to real clear politics, nearly 20 points ahead of rubio. ohio is a much different story. nbc news "wall street journal" poll shows john kasich, the six-point lead over trump. and quinnipiac poll shows the race tied between kasich and trump. essentially, very close in the buckeye state. if kasich pulls out a win, makes it much harder for trump to secure the nomination outright, and could pave the way for an unpredictable contested convention in cleveland. we will talk about that, and what to look forward to tomorrow on the democratic side for some late-breaking polling showing an extremely tight race in the state of illinois. we'll talk about that right after the break. every day you read headlines about businesses
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sam wong who runs american prospect, basically says in which rubio drops out and kasich stays in, may be trumps best option. the counterintuitively it would cause kasich to withdraw, and left with cruz. do you buy that? >> there is a solid case to make. and by the way, you can see that trump has tried for months to keep these candidates in by sort of like helping them out in attacking others saying, rubio is right about ted cruz lying or ted cruz is right about rubio doing this. there is a good case to be made that if -- you know, if ted cruz -- if ted cruz and trump one-on-one -- that trump would actually do fairly poorly against him. that because he hasn't hit 50%, trump in very many primaries, you'll see the republican rally around cruz. it's still a stretch. i still think you want as many delegates away from trump as possible. >> and i think because, you know, what could end up saving the republican party is the k b
snobbery of the founding fathers. the popular vote does not choose the nominee. it's chosen at the state conventions, party insiders. so where the empire can strike back as a convention, so if that's your scenario, you deny trump the nomination by trading delegates, you want kasich in. you actually want him there. you want him actively horse trading. cruz could go back to iowa and messing with who are going to be the delegates. >> and reports of that happening. cruz people are already approaching delegations, and saying, look, when we get to the second ballot, you better make sure all your people are with us. >> yeah, and all this crazy -- u.s. virgin islands has a crazy controversy about who the electors they have elected are. when you think about the 66, it's like, that 66 -- i played around with delegate calculators more than i care to admit. i guess i just did on live tv. and it's very easy to get trump to like 1150, 1185, that's right. >> 1,237 -- very problem. so 66 might be the difference,
right? >> right. and you don't want to take the chance of doing a head-to-head and then the party be wrong. and ted cruz cannot beat donald trump one-on-one. and you don't want to give trump the opportunity to run up a high score against one person. >> democratic side, what are you looking for tomorrow? >> are i think tomorrow you're going to see hillary clinton win florida. i haven't heard very many bernie sanders ads on the radio, so i think he's given up the state. what sanders wants is to take ohio from her, take missouri, if he can -- and take illinois. but in that scenario, the problem for sanders, her delegate lead is already so big that i'm not sure that even if you were to take two of those states he could catch up. >> right now, he's in a situation where i think i saw the most -- 54% of the remaining pledge delg gots. that means eight had been point victories across the board, which he's not -- he's not in a rubio -- he is in it for sure. and we saw for michigan the polling could be wrong. >> could be. >> but he still has -- needs blowouts, basically. the problem is, even if he gets
some narrow ones yesterday -- tomorrow and she gets florida by blowouts, particularly through the south, have given her this 200-plus padding that is a very difficult -- there is no winner take all. no shooting the moon in the -- >> it's interesting that he's hanging around with jesse jackson. reverend jackson created these rules. >> that's true. >> because of jackson in '88. >> rubio -- i don't know what to think. maybe there's some huge shock -- upset tomorrow. who knows. >> rubio campaign is very confident. >> yes. >> i mean, look. the only thing that he has going for him is the early votes that have been tallied. there is a decent case to be made. tough not clear, but there is a case to be made those early votes favor rubio. you know, there have been a lot of early votes cast here. though i've seen -- the most recent polls actually show cruz moving up. so i mean, best case scenario is rubio pulls off a miraculous last-second win and shouldn't be that miraculous. that's best-case scenario. worst case scenario --
>> trump trounced. >> and maybe comes in third. >> i was on -- going to radio stations today. went to the conservative radio station. cruz is actually getting backlash for going against the violence of the trump rallies. that could be rubio's opening. >> very interesting. mckay and joy reid. thank you for joining me. live from the bayside marketplace in miami, rachel maddow starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris, i am jealous you are there, my friend. >> it is lovely. it is truly lovely. >> i'll meet you there. all right. and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. happy pie day. also happy florida eve. there is one huge international story that surprised everybody today. which was the unexpected announcement by russian president vladimir putin that russia is pulling its troops out of syria. this russian war effort in syria, which started in late september, this has been the biggest russian war anywhere since the soviet union pulled out of afghanistan in the late