tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC March 16, 2016 7:00pm-8:01pm PDT
sanders' campaign has accompany resources at their disposal. they say they see green pasture ahead. i don't know if green pastures lie ahead, but the sanders campaign has now cast a view of how they think they get to the nomination that is very different than the way they were talking about getting there before and that raises expectations of how they're going to do in every single contest next week. that does it for us night. we'll see you again tomorrow. you look well rested and i know you're not after last night. >> yeah. it's called drugs and makeup. >> i get it. thanks rachel. well, donald trump thinks he knows his supporters well. he's looked them in the eye at his rallies all over the
country, he knows how to excite them, he knows what makes them tick and he is absolutelily certain that if they don't get what they want, they will become criminals. they will riot. >> i think you'd have riots. >> most of the people talking about the stop trump movement most of them couldn't get a three car raid. >> big breaking news from the white house. >> we have a supreme court nominee. >> thank you mr. president. >> probably the last controversial of any of the pop nominees. >> i have fulfilled my constitutional duty. >> now it's time for the senate to do theirs. >> i think there are a lot of people who probably don't want to see donald trump nominate the next justice of the supreme court. >> i think you'd have riots. >> i'm going to ask mr. trump who he is considering for vice president besides me.
there will be blood, riots, that's what donald trump predicted would happen today if he doesn't get the republican presidential nomination. >> i think we'll win before getting to the convention, but i can tell you if we didn't and if we're 20 votes short or if we're -- if we're 100 short, and we're at 1100 or somebody else is at 500 i don't think you can say that we don't get it automatically. i think it would -- i think you'd have riots. >> this is where i would like to play for you all the condemnations that republicans visited upon donald trump for suggesting riots, but there are none. imagine what republicans would say if anyone else predicted riots today for any other reason. what if bernie sanders predicted
riots if donald trump was elected. what if politicians predicted riots the next time there was a shooting by police in this country? donald trump has been looking down from the stage at his political audience of thousands and thousands of people and all those halls for almost a year and he has reached this conclusion about those people who he sees every day. if they don't get what they want, they will riot. they are violent criminals waiting to happen, ready to spring into action for donald trump if he doesn't get what he wants. that is his opinion of his supporters. and like just about everything donald trump says i don't believe him. i think most of donald trump's supporters are better than that. most of donald trump's supporters are better than donald trump. >> i think bad things would happen.
i really do. i believe it. i think bad things would happen. >> so donald trump wouldn't lead the right yoots that he is pred. the last time that the republicans arrived at a convention without a nominee locked in place was 1976. president ford went into the convention with only 43 more delegates than ronald reagan. ronald reagan did everything he could to snatch the nomination away from ford and no one there thought there was anything wrong with reagan struggling to get that nomination even though he was in second place. ronald reagan lost that fight for the nomination and gerald ford lost the presidency. today you can't find a republican who doesn't wish that ronald reagan doesn't grab that nomination. you can't find a republican who doesn't think ronald reagan would have been a better candidate against jimmy carter
than ford. and the first republican president didn't secure the nomination until the third ballot at his convention, 13 names were put in nomination in that republican convention. senator seward was the favorite. he was the first ballot leader with 173 votes, 71 votes more than the nearest challenger. on the second ballot he went up ten votes, but the second place challenger picked up 79 votes suddenly and then on the third ballot he dropped four votes to 180 and abraham lincoln got the votes. republicans know how to do this. >> you have the convention, the delegates decide between the candidates that have gotten a whole bunch of delegates. that's actually the democratic
process working the way it's supposed to and i think there that it becomes a decision for the delegates. >> it is unlikely that anybody is going to achieve enough delegates to avoid a convention. for those who worry about a convention it will be in the open. there's no closed rooms. joining us now former republican governor of minnesota who ran for president in 2012 and ceo of vote latino and political analyst and columnist for the daily beast. >> tim, are you going to be at this republican convention. are you a super delegate or any kind of delegate already? >> we don't have super delegates in the republican party. i probably be there but in terms of the comments i think that donald trump speaks in exaggerated terms in imprecise ways, sometimes intentionally
and sometimes unintentionally but i think it would be usual to have riots. >> where are you now? you endorsed marco rubio. where does that leave you now? >> it leaves me now deciding what to do next. i think donald trump's on his way to the nomination. i think if he's a little over or under and he gets denied the nomination you're going to have a political civil war in the republican party that it won't recover from by november and you'll hand the election to hillary clinton. >> if donald trump is a little under when he goes in to the convention, that means he will be going in as the weakest nominee since ford who did a very good job of losing. >> absolutely. but i think that the republican party is already in a civil war because even though they don't like trump, they definitely don't like cruz. so who is the nominee going in. it was interesting today because they alluded the problem with
cruz is he created him to lus fer. there's a serious problem now who the item of the republican party is and the fact that they can't identify a third candidate that says we should all go behind kasich as an example that's a problem. one of the reasons that rubio dropped out is with the hope of bringing to the republican party, but they don't like number two, which is cruz. >> jonathan, where are we going? >> well, it depends on what meta far you want to use, but what trump was saying today there could be riots it's like a nice democracy you have there, it would be a pity if anything happened to it. it's sort of mafia talk power comes from the barrel of a gun talk. this is not the way we do things in this country and i think away haven't yet quite absorbed
internalized the assault not just on the republican party, but on the system that this guy represents. so there's a time of moral r reckoning for every american. they have to decide what are they going to do, what are they going to tell their grandchildren when they say what did you do when this man took over your political party. so my question for people is will they stand up, what will they do? will they vote. this has been done before? the people who can't stand the nominee leave and they start another party. >> you know tim happens to be here so we can ask him exactly that. the romney questions, you endorsed mitt romney four years ago, but those questions about what do you tell your grandchildren, what do you do in the face of a trump nomination if he gets the nomination.
>> i've always supported the nominee and i would be inclined to do that again here, but i haven't made a final decision in that regard and i want to see how he can improve his behavior between now and july. these are big plates that are shifting underneath us. the republican party has some responsibility of its own in this regard because these candidates for years have been running around saying we're going to get spending under control and we're going to reform entitlements, we're going to fix immigration, wer going to do a variety of other things and none of its come true and finally i think in addition to the other things going on there are a bunch of party activists that said we're sick of the bs and we're going to try something different. so this has been brewing for a lot of years but i think one ingredient is the politicians saying the same things -- the
activists are saying we don't believe you and we realize donald trump is out there and he's different, they're not sure they believe half of the stuff he says, but they know they want to try something dramatically different and the leaders have to take some responsibility for how we got here. >> but i think that for so -- for the last ten years we've basically been hearing the fact that there's no skill when it comes to politics, but if you know how to negotiate, if you look at someone like senator reed, mitch mcconnell, if you look at individuals that understand the workings of washington that have leadership, that know you can't have everything you want otherwise you're going to take your marbles and go home, that policy is not sweeping. that's when we have policy change, but what we have is a junior class of congressional members right now that have never held political office and now they don't want government to work, but they also don't
know how to negotiate and as a result we have a broken system, but it's because they're breaking it. >> those are great diagnoses, but what i'm interested in is who will stop trump. the governor said maybe he'll improve his behavior between now and the convention. character is destiny. we know who he is. we know he cannot be trusted with the presidency. everybody knows this. the question is what action will they take. so you have marco rubio in a debate recently. he called donald trump a con man. and then he was asked will you support him if he's the nominee and he said yes. he essentially said i will support a con man to be president. that's not a thing -- >> i think the thing to be careful about with all due respect is you have a process in place where actual people at the grassroots level get to show up and vote.
you may not like the outcome, but they're speaking by showing up and voting their candidate. then for the party elites or whatever you want to call them -- >> moralists defending the country from trump? >> let me finish. to say the process has spoken, but we know better and we're going to kick over the result at a convention, win it or lose it, but don't steal it. >> you have to bolt. >> you have to look at the party that created these rule. they're not making these up as they go along, they're rules and other candidates have abided by these rules. part of the problem is if you are not teaching civic education to your population, if you are not explaining how the rules are brokered then you create chaos and you make people feel vulnerable and there's nothing to abide by, but you have an
opportunity to stand as someone in the leadership and say this is not okay. trump may not win the nomination, but what he's unleashed in the country is something that is stomach churning. you have children coming home pointed out by their classmates saying mommy -- i have kids in my classroom telling me i'm going to go home because of the color of skin because of what trump is saying. the instability that is being created in local communities cannot be undersold and it's the opportunity for the republican party to say this is not the country that we live in. >> governor, you said that the trump supporters attitude toward the republican politicians is we don't believe you and i agree with that when i've been out there talking to them they will say you talk about things and they'll say all these politicians lie, they all lie. that's what they say in response when i show them something that donald trump has lied about. actually their answer is they
all lie. what i was struck by when you said they're turning to donald trump because we don't believe you, the very first thing you said tonight is you don't believe donald trump meant what he said this morning about rioting and i know when you were backing marco rubio you were backing a candidate who was saying donald trump is a con man and donald trump lies all the time. so the people who you're saying have been let down by politicians lying to them are now embracing the most overt rampant liar in the history of american presidential campaigning. >> well, lawrence, let's acknowledge this reality. poll ti politics is a reflection of our culture and we get the politics that the culture demands and the culture has been reduced in part to not just donald trump, but across the board for a number of years. number two, people are sick of traditional politicians for good reason and the establishment for
good reason so i think they're saying we know this guy's got all kinds of flaws and warts, but at least he sounds and looks strong and he's going to perhaps increase the likelihood of something getting done. on the domestic side you're still going to have congress and the courts so he's going to have some bumper rails on the domestic sides of issue, i think the risk is his lack of interest in detail on foreign policy and national security that i wish he would bone up on. he's been at this for a year and he should be studying and be much more informed on those issues. >> all right we have to leave this there tonight. thank you for joining us. coming up, she was raised on food stamps and last night she won her first political campaign, district attorney for cook country in chicago running to reform the way that
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nate them. defeat our add ver sar raez. when we hear a candidate for president call for rounding up 12 million immigrants, banning all muslims from entering the united states, when he embraces torture, that doesn't make him strong, it makes him wrong. >> donald trump began his day as he so often does talking on tv via telephone while for all we know still in full recline in his pajamas. >> i think in many ways she'll be an embarrassment. look at what's going on with her e-mails. she's under federal investigation. she doesn't have strength or the stami stamina. she talks about defeat our en y enemienem enemies, where has she been for the last year. we can't defeat isis.
>> the trump campaign posted this video this afternoon. >> [ barking ] >> joining us now frank rich. frank, the -- i do want people -- when trump does the phone-ins in the morning we've all been owe blijed to pictured him. my choice is he's in bed. >> he's going like this to have someone bring him a coffee cup. >> or having answers put before him by the staff. >> we have to hope a smoking jacket. >> something like that. there was hillary clinton's serious argument trump very
strongly present on a strong night for her. and trump just begins with the energy ridicule, that's always step one for him. and then the instagram videos, this is the way he's playing it so far. >> he can't have a serious argument against anything hillary clinton or serious candidate says because he doesn't know what's going on. he hasn't learned the basic facts of foreign policy or someone asked him does he know the difference between medicaid or medicare. he's going with his strong suit which is ridicule, and being an entertainer. i wonder if it wore out its welcome. it hasn't yet. it's ridiculous. hillary clinton versus trump, she's a substantial person with actual achievements in the world and he's a clown. >> he's hard to imagine how
these -- these two campaigns won't talk to each other. hillary clinton will be composing serious thoughts about what's wrong with a possible trump presidency based on things he's said and explaining their implications and trump will just be doing that insult comedy thing. >> and playing the strong man on foreign policy about which he knows knowing. he's going to talk about her vote on iraq. he's learned that from obama and bernie sanders and he's going to play the strong man and i've felt that in a race that really hillary is to lose, what if there is a terrorist incident god forbid close to the election, does that play into trump's cartoonish great dictator impercent nation. i don't know. ir rationality seems to be the card he's playing so far. >> the first time he dropped out of the debate in iowa i began to
wonder if was he setting the precedent for not debating anymore or was he setting the precedent for not being able to drop out of debates with hillary clinton where he will be in big trouble. today he dropped out of the next republican debate. i am making a big speech the night of the fox news debate. i wish everyone well. yesterday was a big day for me. what he's done, he's dropped out of a debate and then fox cancelled the debate because what's a debate without donald and he's scheduling a speech at exactly the same time. do you have a prediction -- >> and before apec. >> -- whether the american media will reward him by televising that speech. >> they probably because he is still -- as he would say he gets good ratings. you think that he would wear out his welcome over a certain period of time as indeed his
prime time show started to before he left it, but i don't know. my biggest fear is if the media cow toys to him in the general election because that would be a bliet on democracy if he's the republican nominee they're going to have to enforce it. they cannot allow him to drop out of major debates. >> what's your one minute review of how the political news media has handled the trump candidacy? >> i think -- i think that too much coverage thing is wrong. he deserves coverage. he's a big story. i do think the media has been wrong almost every step in the way from dekreeg he should be covered as entertainment to predicting he was out as far back as last summer. >> what about the challenge of covering what bernie sanders calls a pathological liar?
this system is set up on the assumption that the candidates will not come on here and try to get away with lies nonstop. he does that. >> he does it. i do feel the media does try to call him on it, but it doesn't seem to make any difference as they were saying in the previous segment. he gets away with it. >> thanks. really appreciate it. coming up, president obama makes his nomination to fill the vacancy in the supreme court. now we'll see what the senate will do. and one day after a big loss on super tuesday bernie sanders' team announces what they see as the path forward.
today i am nominating chief judge merrick garland to join the supreme court. >> that nomination was greeted like no other before it. >> the american people are perfectly capable of having their say, their say, on this issue. so let's give them a voice. let's let the american people decide. the senate will appropriately revisit the matter when it considers the qualifications of
the nominee the next president nominates. whoever that might be. >> joining us now resident sclar yar. i thought the american people decided to put those 100 senators in that room and i thought the american people decided to put president obama in the white house and that the constitution says now the president decides what name to send to them and they decide whether to vote yes or no. what did i get wrong there? >> one of the things that struck me was mitch mcconnell was saying we should have elected judges with a step in between. the idea with 11 months left in a term that you're basically going to say that the person that this president is nominating is a non-person when
it comes to being considered, not even to hold a hearing and to not meet with that person, it really is unprecedented and i think it's going to put them in a terrible box. >> and they're trying to say the democrats did this and said things like this. mitch mcconnell today talking about the biden rule which there's no such rule. it's a phrase when joe biden said how to handle something like this, but if there was a biden rule, it was in practice in fact that every nominee gets a hearing, every nominee gets a vote. >> if you look at past supreme court nominations, i think in a lot of ways this sort of limiting case is clarence thomas, but they brought it to a the dplofloor for a vote and he sitting on the court. we had a brief filibuster. he got his vote on the floor and
that was preceded by a hearing and he sits on the supreme court. you can reject somebody, the senate has every right to do that. it is a real breach of norms of to basically say we're going to completely ignore what the president has done with this much time left in this term. >> and mitch mcconnell and the republicans are gambling that either they get a nominee from president trump and by the way in that case you and i know donald trump won't choose anyone, the senate will tell him who to send up there, mcconnell will say here are the three names we can accept, pick one of those, or they get one from a democratic president. it is unlikely if they get one from a democratic president that they will get one more moderate than the judge that barack obama sent up today. >> one of the interesting things here lawrence is that you do
have some republican senators who are musing that if worse things happen to them if they hope, namely if hillary clinton wins and the democrats take the senate, they can opt for merrick garland in the lame duck session that followed rather than have a liberal nominee emerge. what we're seeing is that may not work for them because they're getting so much pressure from their right not to cave or do anything including holding a hearing that i think they really can't act in any fashion. and they're going to keep getting hit over and over again on this and if you saw that conference today, merrick garland is such an extraordinary person in every respect that to deny him the respect of a hearing or a vote i don't think is going to sit very well with a lot of people. >> thanks for joining me tonight. i wanted to be with someone who is as sad about what we're watching in the united states
senate as i am. >> this is wrenching. it really is awful for those of us who love the institution. >> the once great body of the united states senate. thank you very much. >> sure. coming up, kim fox. she grew up in chicago's biggest housing project and she's now on her way to becoming the district attorney for cook county in
chicago. bernie sanders' campaign teach insists the nomination is not out of reach. >> the pressure is going to build in the weeks and months ahead, particularly if bernie sanders can get to the winning streak i believe he can get on, if we look at the states in the near horizon, i see opportunities for victory in practically every one of them. >> clinton campaign manager released this statement, looking ahead to march senator sanders is poifd to have a great stretch of very favorable states vote,
including five caucuses next week. our pledged delegate lead is to significant that even a success by senator sanders would have little impact in the race. sam, you were in on the call today. what is the -- what are the basic points of the sanders' campaign path as they see it forward from here. >> they're message is that they can win this campaign. i mean it's the same kind of message they've been broadcasting since the start despite the overwhelming odds sanders -- bernie sanders can win the democratic nomination. you played a clip earlier from tad devine. he's a very smart guy. i do think that it's pretty clear to him that the delegate math is pretty overwhelmingly in
hillary clinton's favor. he was arguing on the call that i listened in on that there are a lot of favorable states that they can win, states like washington, alaska, idaho, but the fact of the matter is they would have to win them by overwhelming margins if they want to catch up with the clinton campaign. >> the clinton campaign echoing the sanders campaign that there's five caucuses next week that bernie sanders is likely to win. they're not challenging that. >> i think a lot of that is expectation setting. hillary clinton wants to make sure it's better to win a race that you weren't expecting to win than it is to lose a race on those sort of same terms. i think what he's doing is he's saying these are legitimately challenging states where bernie sanders does have a shot, but i think he's also overplaying the odds there. if you look ahead bernie sanders
has to win 58% of democratically pledged delegates. that doesn't take into account super delegates which hillary clinton has a huge lead. it's daunting odds for the sanders' campaign going forward and their top aids in the call that i was in on today trying to put the best face on it that this he can. >> i've heard bernie sanders say that they're going on to the convention, but also you will hear him say from time to time going on to california. that means we're going on to the last day, last primary, that's the biggest delegate prize. like a lot of these states down the road we have very little public polling about them. the last poll in january hillary clinton had a 10 point lead but who knows what's happened since then. >> you sort of heard that along the way too. you've heard them talk about verus states is their own
south by southwest today michelle obama was the speaker. she spoke on the importance of girls' education worldwide. >> i don't know about young people here, but growing up as a young girl on the south side of chicago where the expectations much me were limited, as i was trying to make my way and do good in school and apply to
colleges, there were people around telling me what i couldn't do. always telling me how far i should only dream. and my reaction to that at that time was to prove the doubters wrong. that spurred me, i'll show you. >> it gave you strength. >> many of us heard about the my gearan girls kidnapped from their dormitory school rooms in the middle of the night by terrorists because they were in school. you just think grown men trying to snuff out the as per rashs of little girls. what will i miss most about being first lady? you all. the young people -- you're going to make me cry -- that i interact with every day. the young people in this country keep me inspired because i see myself in them, in you all. i see that little girl on the south side who was told she
couldn't. i see the scared kid, i see the kid with doubts. and i just know if i can do this and be here, have gone to great colleges and had all these wonderful experiences, you can do it too. >> coming up, the district attorney who took over a year to bring charges against chicago police officer was defeated in her reelection bid last night. the woman who won, kim fox, will join us. hey, need fast heartburn relief?
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vans. born to run. the housing project build in chicago in 1942 was one of the biggest housing projects in the country and it was a mistake. social scientists and public housing experts concluded that families living in public housing would be better served in smaller scale developments. i first learned about it in a college class and it was there as the prime example of how public housing should not be built. decades later it was demolished. kim fox grew up in the housing project. in 1975, 2-year-old kim fox made her first appearance in the chicago try bun. there she is in a photograph with her mother and older brother. her mother was quoted in the report that day about president
ford's attempt to cut spending on food stamps. she said the stamps barely last the month. i really have to stretch them. we eat an awful lot of beans, button theven they are expensiv. here was kim fox last night with her two daughters. >> we share a quality of life that is free from harm, where safety and justice for all. and so the work that we have to do is going to take an all hands on deck approach. it is one that i'm honored and humbled to be tasked with taking on and it takes all of you working in conjunction with the state's attorney's office with our public health officials, mental health officials, across the spectrum to have the type of criminal justice system that cook county deserves.
[cheers and applause] >> that was kim fox's victory speech. last night she defeated the current attorney general. a charge filed over a year after that shooting. joining us now, kim fox from chicago. first of all, congratulations on the win last night. what did it feel like to be standing up with your two little girls right beside you? >> thank you. it was humbling to have my daughters with me in that moment. my oldest was overwhelmed by the sight of that many people there to celebrate. it was very humbling. >> and tell us what's going to change now if you make it through the general election and become the district attorney
there, what will change in the way police cases involving deadly force will be investigated and handled. >> one of the things i'm proposing is that we have an independent prosecutor who handles deadly police shooting cases in an effort to ensure transparency and accountability and restore the credibility of our justice system, having an independent prosecutor to look at these cases. >> what do you think it will take to restore reasonable confidence in the community about how this process works? will you have to introduce new elements of transparency that haven't been there before in these kinds of cases? >> absolutely. the public has to be able to know what's going on from beginning to end. one of the failures here in cook county was our state's attorney never shared data, never shared information so the first thing we have to do is acknowledge that the public has a right to that information and then we have to make it accessible just
so long as we don't comp miss the entigty of our prosecutions, but the public has a right to know what we're doing. >> what about the challenge involved in protecting potential defendant's rights from prejudicial pretrial publicity, that sort of thing? there is a balance here to be struck in these cases. >> absolutely. and we have to make sure that the integrity of our investigations and prosecutions are intact. you do that by not releasing information prematuritily but you have to look at it on a case-by-case basis. so that's on the forefront. we want to make sure our prosecutions are fair and balanced and that the defendant's rights are protected. >> and what -- at this point how would you describe your confidence in chicago police department's internal processes, internal affairs investigations of investigating their own
problems? >> i think we're now at a point where the department of justice is coming into the city of chicago to look at patterns and practices and i think that will give us a better vantage point of what's been happening there. i'm really concerned about the role of the prosecutor in making sure that any allegations of misconduct that come before the prosecutor's office are fully vetted and the public can be assured that it's holding the officer's accountable for any wrongdoing. >> i saw that picture of you in the newspaper when you were two years old, but when did that little girl decide to become an attorney? >> i think it took her about four years after that. i was about six years old when i had an opportunity to go into a courtroom and was in awe of the fact that there were these people who were there who were there to champion for people like me, little girls like me.
so very early on it was one of my childhood dreams to be a lawyer and my mother insisted that i bear that out so i've been practicing law for almost 20 years tonight on "all in" -- ♪ it goes on and on and on and on ♪ >> hillary clinton celebrates her biggest night yet. >> we are moving closer to securing the democratic party nomination and winning this election in november. >> while chaos reigns on the republican side with threats from the front-runner. >> i don't think you can say that we don't get it automatically. i think it would be -- i think you'd have riots. i think you'd have riots. >> senator elizabeth warren joins me to discuss both races and the major story out of the