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tonight on "all in". >> there's more likely to become an open convention than we thought before. >> the republican plot to stop trump at the convention. can they rely on delegate rules to block the nomination? >> they have a very good brain and i've said a lot of things. plus, the awkward quest for a gop savior. >> i think he's the best alternative to donald trump. he is certainly not my preference, senator cruz is not. then the fight is on, as obama's supreme court nominee arrives on the battlefield. >> the president has a four-year term. scientists tell us that there are approximately ten months left in his term. >> i'll speak with senator al franken about the unprecedented obstruction. and, senator harry reid unloads on his republican counterparts. >> when trump calls immigrants rapists and murders, he is doing what he learned from generations of conservatives. when "all in" starts right now.
♪ good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. at the highest levels of the conservative movement and republican party, there is now a plan coming together to stop donald trump from taking the republican presidential nomination by whatever means necessary. this morning, a, quote, secretive group of republican operatives and conservative leaders convened for more than three hours to discuss ways to unit the right against donald trump. "the washington post" reported strategist affiliated with the anti-trump group told msnbc the group is focussed on preventing trump from getting the 1237 delegates he needs to win the nomination outright. seeking to rally around an alternative who can beat trump at the convention, including potentially someone who has already dropped out of the race or didn't run at all. house speaker paul ryan, who former speaker john boehner endorsed as the gop nominee if trump does not win on the first ballot, today vowed unequivocally not to be that person.
>> it's not going to be me. it should be somebody running for president. look, i made a decision over a year ago not to run for president. i really believe, if you want to be president you should run for president. >> ryan, who in his role as house speaker, will be chair of the gop convention said he was gearing up for a floor fight. >> nothing has changed other than the perception that there's more likely to become an open convention than we thought before. so, we're getting our minds around the idea that this could very well become a reality and therefore those of us involved in the convention need to respect that. >> in a statement today, group that participated in that meeting this morning who bill themselves as conservatives against trump, called for all former republican candidates not currently supporting trump to unit against him and all candidates to hold their delegates on the first ballot in order to deny him the nomination. anti-trump club for growth came out with a new ad today attacking trump, designed not to beat trump outright but to depress his delegate total
before the convention. it has been more than six years since a political convention went to a second ballot and nearly 40 years since republicans went to the convention without a clear nominee and trump is warning that any attempt to defeat him at the convention would get ugly. >> i think we'll win before getting to the convention, but i can tell you if we didn't and if we're 20 votes short or if we're, you know, 100 short and we're at 1,100 and somebody else is at 500 or 400 because we're way ahead of everybody, i don't think you can say that we don't get it automatically. i think it would be -- i think you would have riots. i think you would have riots. >> here is the thing, political parties are not democracies, something curly haugland, a member of the rnc standing committee on rules noted yesterday on cnbc. >> the political parties choose their nominee, not the general public. contrary to popular belief. >> why bother holding the primaries? >> that's a very good question. >> those comments generated a
lot of backlash but important and very literal sense, he is right. in the same way that a donald trump campaign rally is effectively a private event where trump gets to say who can come in and who can't, something he's done quite a bit of, the republican party like the democratic party effectively in some ways a private club the party has enormous power to decide its nominee. if it can stomach the backlash that would welcome when it does. joining me now robertcosta who authored that piece in the open. how serious is this? >> it's serious in the sense that it's a true effort from the hard right to try to have some control over the process. but it's not so serious because of the timing. it's late in the game and they're struggling to figure out how they can prevent trump from reaching that threshold and already effectively today in that secret meeting ruled out a third party challenge because it wouldn't be logistically or financially possible. >> there's a question about whether he is going to get to
1237. i just want to point this out. look at what happened in missouri, okay, this is the current state delegate apportionment rules in missouri which was not, quote, winner take all. it was winner take all by congressional district and then some other delegates on top. he basically split the popular vote, won by 1,000 votes. he got 22 more delegates, so if that math holds for the rest of the time, i don't think they can stop him from getting to 1237. what am i missing? >> it's a painful irony for those in the party establishment who after the 2012 election rethought the rules for the nominating process and made this winner take all state part of the calendar really come quite quickly in the process. so now trump has a very favorable terrain moving forward, not just in terms of states coming up like arizona on tuesday, but it's winner take all. if cruz struggles to get traction, it's hard to see if he can do anything but prevent the threshold rather than beating trump. >> you report on these folks all the time. here is what i can't get, at one
level i hear -- i remember 2008 when you had people who, for instance, were supporting hillary clinton saying i'll never vote for barak obama, i'll boycott the convention, i'll fight to my last dying day and that proved not to be the case. the overwhelming majority of people supported barak obama. he was elected president. so, one scenario that peek talking about trump this way are essentially going to come around eventually. we're watching a historical fissure of the republican party. which is it? are these people serious? >> they're serious but based in my reporting the fissure is not as historic as it is sometimes presented because there's a sense among many in the party, even among grass roots republicans, that once trump assumes the role of the nominee or is close to it, much of the party will rally to him, donors party officials, many elected officials because they believe he could be a strong foe against secretary clinton. his ability to hammer her on issue after issue will excite
the group. the only group that will not be excited and is ready to stay out, be on the sidelines is that movement conservative. the ideological conservative who wants purity on issues, likes cruz and just totally suspicious of trump. >> you basically think -- what i'm hearing from you is that the people to whatever sense there's people that run the republican party, those people are going to just basically if that guy wins enough votes it will be donald trump is our nominee and we are the republican party of donald trump. that's the party that we are america. >> you see, shelden alderson is saying, maybe trump. you see prevace is not walking away from trump. the conservative professional class that dominated the republican party for the last 20 years, held power even though they're not representative of the entire widespread republican party, they are seeing their power weakened and their grip on power just totally taken away. those are the people who are
really alarmed about trump. but the rest of the party is often disengaged and that really is deeply ideological. >> that is a really fascinating point. i had not thought of it in those terms. robert costa, thank you very much. >> thank you. confusion about how all that will work grows. last time there was serious doubt over a nominee was 1976 when president gerald ford was battling with ronald reagan for the gop nomination. we want to show you the lead report on august 10th, 1976, six days before the convention. the reagan and ford campaigns were battling it out over the rules over how the delegates get allocated. >> what they were fighting about is whether this convention should order delegates to obey their state laws. 19 states freeze some 900 delegates here to the outcome of their primaries regardless of the delegates personal feelings. reagan's lawyer said it's an insult to law-abiding people to tell them to obey the law. >> it seems somewhat redundant if not insulting to insert this invalid principle into the
convention rules. >> reagan has almost twice as many delegates bound to him than ford does. ford is more afraid his delegates will switch if they have the chance. >> apparently the ford campaign does not trust the ford delegates. i trust ford delegates, rang delegated and uncommitted delegates. >> maybe the ford delegates doesn't trust the reagan delegates. >> that's kind of sad. >> the rule cuts down on the opportunity for mischief, such as rebellious delegates refusing to vote to force a second ballot. the new rule says their votes will be recorded any way, whether or not they're cast. >> joining me now is curly haugland, member of the current committee on rule and unbound gop delegate from north dakota. i want to talk about the concept of bound delegates because that's what this all comes down to. we're tabulating bound delegates, the states are making rules saying you delegate that's going to the convention under
our state party rules you are bound to that candidate when you get to cleveland. is that a meaningful concept? are we putting too much credence into that concept? >> well, i've been maintaining for years of course that binding is kind of an offensive concept and recently i just discovered this material that led to the clip that you produced there that shows that in fact 1976 was the first and only presidential convention year where the delegates were actually bound by convention rules to force -- to force them to vote according to the results of primary elections. >> so your position is that the general tradition or actually in the rules the republican party is that actually the rules do not dictate that those delegates actually have to vote on the first ballot for the person they are, quote, bound to? >> yes. as i said, that was the one and only presidential convention where the delegates were actually bound because properly
in 1980 the next convention reversed that, repealed that, rescinded that amendment and that language still exists today in our rules the delegates are not bound, they're true to vote their conscious on all issues before the convention and on the nominations. >> so what i'm hearing from you that even if donald trump were to get over 1237, there is some scenario which the republican party's delegates could decide to not vote for him on that first ballot? >> well, i guess it begs the question, how do you know that there's 1237 in the first place? you really don't know until the first ballot when all of the candidates are known. >> right. >> and they're nominated and the first ballot is taken. that's the first time you'll know how many delegates anybody has. if it's over 1237, obviously he will get that number, whoever gets that number first, first to the post. >> you're on this standing committee, right? you and i had a conversation earlier today and we were going through what's going to happen in the runup to cleveland.
there's a really important thing people are missing. there's a convention rules committee that will convene a week before cleveland, like we saw in that clip in 1976. that committee will set the rules for that convention, am i right about that? >> that's exactly right. each convention sets its own rules. we use the previous convention rules as a template. that's a starting point. then anything is possible because the convention of the republican party is the highest authority of the party. and they can do anything they want. >> so that rules committee, who sits on that? my understanding is one man and one woman from each state delegation? >> that's correct. and they're elected by the delegation themselves, each state delegation is basically a sub committee of the convention. they operate as such and elect from among their own members, members of the convention committees. >> so, if i want to do -- if i was dead set right now on preventing donald trump from being the republican nominee, it seems to me i would put all my effort in to making sure i knew
who would be serving on that rules committee that's going to set the rules for the convention a week before it actually starts. >> well, you're absolutely right. of course i think that work is going on right now. but i just want to make sure everybody understands and i make this point clear, i've been offended by binding and forcing people to do something ever since i discovered this rule in 2008. so this isn't a johnny come lately initiative to try to influence this particular convention. in fact, i had a very active role in trying to force this same discussion prior to the 2012 convention and was not successful because we didn't have enough candidates staying in to force the division of the delegates to get to the point where we needed to have the rules become important. now the rules will be important and we're going to have a lot of people learning things that they didn't know before because they didn't want to. >> yeah, that may happen. your point as the parties which is important for people to remember. we'll see how much that is
ultimately the case. thank you for taking the time. appreciate. the latest stall tactic by republicans trying to block the supreme court nomination. plus, ted cruz's foreign policy short list includes some truly frightening people. but is it any better than who is advising donald trump? i'll explain ahead. later, how to take on the campaign that has thus far proven unstoppable. the democrats are signaling the possibility of a donald trump nominee. those stories and more ahead. we needed 30 new hires for our call center.
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after suspending his presidential campaign earlier this week, today marco rubio faced the ultimate humiliation, he was forced to return to the place he tried everything in his power to avoid. i speak, of course, of the halls of the united states senate, a place where rubio missed 35% of role call votes last year. rubio currently holds a day job there as one of two individuals representing the nearly 20 million people of florida.
rubio himself noted earlier, he won't be doing that for much longer either. >> i'm not going to be haven't. i'm not running for governor of florida. i'll finish out my term in senate. we'll work hard here and we have some things we want to achieve and then i'll be a private citizen in january. >> they begin a two week recess. but before that break, he told reporters he doesn't think the senate should be moving on a supreme court nominee the last year in a president's term. since the beginning of the merrick garland confirmation battle and the white house is planning an unprecedented campaign to get their nominee a hearing. we'll explain next.
today was the first full day in the battle to confirm merrick garland, chief judge of the d.c. court of appeals to the supreme court. senate democrats are strongly objecting to republican obstruction and its refusal to hold hearings on the nominee. harry reid linked the tactic to the trump phenomenon. >> they are slamming the door simply because president obama nominated him. that's how they've treated him over his entire presidency. donald trump's style was forged in the senate republican caucus. we're seeing this play out now before our very eyes in the debate over the supreme court. >> today judge garland met with the ranking member of the senate judiciary committee, senator pat leahy, most republican senators say they will not even take. those republicans are probably hoping if they can just with stand this early bout of pressure the nomination will eventually fade away. there's a truly unprecedented being put in place to keep this nomination in the public eye.
it's called the constitutional responsibility project, a nonprofit organization which according to the new york times will accept donations, develop advertising and coordinate messaging and populated by staff in the president's two election campaigns. some republicans, like orrin hatch of utah had been discussing the novel idea of holding hearings on the judge garland in a lame duck session if hillary clinton wins the next election. out of fears she would nominate someone a lot more liberal or considerably younger than the 63-year-old centrist, but today republican leaders like mitch mcconnell and john cornen pushed back saying the hearings should come after the next president is sworn in. i spoke to al franklin about what he thinks about it all. >> you know, first they're saying let the people decide and so we have to have an election. and then the next president can pick their nominee and we'll take it up then.
but now it's let the people decide unless they decide on someone we don't like, then we'll take up this kind of consensus guy who everyone thinks is great but instead of letting the new president, who we don't like, appoint her own nominee. it's um -- you know, it shows that in a way that this isn't been based on principle the whole time. >> all right, joining me now to talk further about this danielle gray. someone who worked in the white house on the supreme court nomination process. how -- what's the game plan here? it was day one, right, merrick garland goes there the doors are closed, he can't get the meetings that people he needs to meet with, now what? >> you know, listen, i think
part of the game plan is to -- for the white house is to follow the process that the white house follows when the white house appoints -- when the president appoints a supreme court justice. this is a process the white house has been through twice before now. so you saw in the remarks yesterday, i think, the president endeavored to really make an introduction to the american people of chief judge merrick garland and who he is, the kind of judge he is, the kind of person he is. the remarks were quiet detailed if you compare them to 2009 and 2010. i think part of the case that you should expect this white house to make is this is by all accounts one of the most widely admired jurist in the country. >> i have to say, can you explain this to me. >> yeah. >> i met him. he seems like a delightful and smart young man. i know people who clerked for him who clerked for him. a lot of his opinions, there's
not a lot of amazing sort of high profile dissents on really controversial areas of law, what is it about that the guy that he is so uniformly acclaimed? >> i think a few thing. first, if you are a lawyer and you discover that you're going to argue in front of merrick garland that day, you're very excited about that because you know a couple of things. you know that he has really processed the case back and forth and probably knows it better than you and you'll be really challenged on the bench, but at the same time, he is respectful, he's likable, you know, he actually reminds me a lot in his questioning from the bench of justice stevens, the president in his remarks mentioned that he has a quality of being understanding before disagreeing and that -- he oozes that in droves. i think another reason that he inspires such loyalty is because he is a careful jurist. he is not issuing sweeping pronouncements. he is really taking the cases as they come to him. the facts of those cases and the precedent that is applicable to those cases and really trying to get it right.
>> there's reporting today that the congressional black caucus expressed frustration a few of the members skipping a meeting about this nominee because it's a 63-year-old white man. there is of course one african-american on the court, clarence thomas. more broadly than that, i mean, are liberals -- the liberals that were disappointed when this was announced yesterday and there were some of them, what is your message to them? >> well, a few things. i think when i was working on judicial nominations in 2009 and 2010, at least what was reported as the short list really tremendous candidates with such broad diversity of backgrounds, ethnicities, gender, that is in large part a credit to president barak obama, many of those judges that were rumors to be under consideration in the press have been appointed by this president in the last few years this president's appointed more african-americans to the bench than any other president in
history, more african-american women to the bench and one of the things i think we'll see as a result of president obama's commitment to diversifying the judiciary is we'll hear about those names again. those names are going to be on the short list for future vacancies. what judge garland own example shows is that being on the short list is actually a fast track to finding your way to the rose garden one day. >> he has been on it a few times. always a pleasure to have you here. >> thank you. ted cruz releases his list of foreign policy advisers and the names should concern you a lot. i'll explain coming up.
earlier this week pbs news hour a show i should say i'm a huge fan of profiled a family in north carolina. it's a family that says they have been motivated by donald trump to become more actively involved in politics. among the people profiled first-time voter, 33-year-old grace tilly. >> my father-in-law and my husband are both veterans and the whole idea of the care, the veterans being sub par is very true. >> almost immediately after that interview hit the internet, the folks over at gawker flagged something. two very interesting tattoos on each of grace tilly's hands. on her right hand a tattoo of a cross. the anti-defamation league known as a celtic cross one of the most important is and commonly used white supremacist symbols.
on the back of the left hand there's another tattoo of the number 88. 88 is a white supremacist numerical code for heil hitler. 88 equals hh equals heil hitler. today they addressed the controversy. ms. tilly argues these tattoos are not representative of neo-nazi's positions. they also changed the headline of the piece from tar heel family illustrates why trump appeals to the south. tar heel explains why they support trump. we reached out to ms. tilly several times have not heard back. her husband said he is not interested about talking about his wife's tattoos. they have personal meanings to us. they have personal business. that play list appears to have been taken down. who knows.
they say it's all a big mixup. maybe it is. maybe when donald trump addresses the pro israel lobby pac he should show a picture of this new voter he inspired to get involved and the conference attendees can make up their own minds of what those symbols portend. we needed 30 new hires for our call center. i'm spending too much time hiring and not enough time in my kitchen. (announcer) need to hire fast? go to ziprecruiter.com and post your job to over 100 of the web's leading job boards with a single click. then simply select the best candidates from one easy to review list. you put up one post and the next day you have all these candidates. makes my job a lot easier. (announcer) over 400,000 businesses have already used ziprecruiter. and now you can use ziprecruiter for free. go to ziprecruiter.com/offer99
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its head. today's trump most serious remaining challenger cruz released his list. it's a real rogue's gallery including elliott abrams who pleaded guilty. and michael ladine another iran contra figure and name sake of the ladine doctrine. every ten years or so the united states needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall just to show the world we mean business. by but far the worse of the bunch a guy who has no business anywhere near the area of power is frank gaffney. man who the southern poverty law center, most notorious islamaphobes. and republican anti-tax fanatic, grover norquist of promoting sharia law.
gaffney's organization, center for security policy is responsible for the bogus poles sited by donald trump himself in justifying his proposal to ban muslims from entering the u.s. an idea that now appears to gone mainstream in the electorate. according to exit polls around two thirds of the voters in this past tuesday's republican primaries said they support banning muslims from the country. gaffney sees it, islam is less religion protected by the first amendment than a militant plot to take over the u.s. >> this group, oic, it is 57 states and palestine that have come together to promote what is fundamentally the agenda known as sharia. that is a totalitarian, political military legal program that would force all of us, muslim and nonmuslim alike to submit to its bar baric
repressive supremacist agenda. >> you almost wish cruz would take a page out of donald trump's book and consult himself or heck, even donald trump. i'm joined by matt duss. am i being too harsh here, matt? >> no. i think you've got it right. as you noted looking at that list of foreign policy advisers, they seem to run the gamut from iran contra conspirators to anti-muslim conspiracy theorists. >> if there's a single thing i found most distressing about this election season so far, it actually isn't donald trump. it is the exit polling on this question of banning non-citizen muslims from the u.s., a policy that would be absolutely -- is sort of on its face bigotry. >> right. >> has no grounding in what actual security experts say would make the country safer,
would be a horrible black eye for the u.s. around the world, would inflame all sorts of terrible sentiments towards it and this is now a real strongly supported position among republican voters. >> right. this is a serious problem. i think that's what this demonstrates is that the gop has a bigotry problem that goes way beyond trump. the fact is that they've been so obsessed with obstructing and opposing barak obama's agenda they've allowed all of these crazy ideas to kind of germinate and grow. as you noted frank gaffney has been behind so many of these wild conspiracy theories. i mean, we don't have time to list all of the crazy things he said over the past ten years. and for ted cruz to just name him as someone who he takes seriously, i mean, let's understand, this guy's ideas are taken seriously by no one who understands or studies islam, by no one who studies national security, it's extremely troubling that cruz puts him on the list of people he is talking to. >> i got to play this lindsey
graham interview. graham, who is someone who, you know, is a neo-conservative of the first order, has also been an opponent of cruz and attacked trump on the muslim ban idea. this is him about talking around to fund raising for cruz. >> i'm going to be doing a fundraiser with and for senator cruz. i think he is the best alternative to donald trump. certainly not my preference senator cruz is not, but he is a reliable republican conservative of which i've had many differences with. i doubt donald trump's conservatism and i think it would be a disaster for the party. i'll try to help raise money for senator cruz. >> never watched a person gnaw off their own tongue in an interview before. here is what's striking to me. there's two wings it seems in the republican party. you have the neo conservative wing who is advocating lots of more military intervention in the middle east which led to the
deaths of hundreds of thousands of muslims but who rhetorically and conceptually been the loudest voices standing up against anti-muslim bigotry at least rhetorically and then you have the folks who are sort of less and more kind of nationalist orientation, less inclined to engage in the wars that are rankly bigoted when talking tact issues. >> that's right. this is exposing some serious fissures within the gop elite expert community as well. you played lindsey graham. let's think back to a couple weeks ago when we saw this letter from gop foreign policy experts who listed a whole set of crazy positions that trump has and then said because of these positions we pledge not to serve in a trump administration. well, go ahead and look at those positions and see how many of them, ted cruz himself holds, just for example, support for torture, anti-muslim bigotry as you showed. as long as you don't hit trump bingo and hold all of these
positions somehow it's okay. >> matt duss, thank you very much. will democrats be more successful at attacking donald trump than republican candidates have been. will take a look coming up. the heirloom tomato. intensely-flavored. colorfully-diverse. beautifully-misshapen. cultivated for generations, it's the unexpected hero of any dish. when you cook with incredible ingredients... you make incredible meals. fresh ingredients. step-by-step-recipes. delivered to your door. get your first two meals free blueapron.com/cook.
who is to blame for the poisoning of the water in flint, michigan? republican governor rick snyder of michigan and the head of the environmental protection agency appeared before a congressional committee to answer for the flint water crisis which exposed thousands to lead poisoning. both mccarthy and snyder face calls to resign as the blistering rounds of question and assessmented of blame fell along partisan blames. democrats repeatedly pointed out it was the emergency managers who governor rick snyder appointed that pushed the city of flint to change its water supply to the flint river in the first place. all to save a few million dollars a year. they also question snyder's
leadership on the issue. >> you admit here today that even after the whole world knew that flint residents were exposed to unimaginable levels of lead, you did not declare a state of emergency until january 2016, isn't that true? >> i took immediate action as soon as i learned there was a lead issue, we started issuing filters to people, doing blood testing, water testing -- >> plausible deniability only works when it's plausible and i'm not buying that you didn't know about any of this until october, 2015. you were not in a medically induced coma for a year. and i've had about enough of your phony apologies. >> rachel maddow will have more at 9:00 p.m. eastern. you do not want to miss that.
committing to support him at the end of the day. this is precisely the moral cowardess that allowed the rise of trump. make america great again hats and stand by trump at his next press conference be a mini christie i guess. >> democrats appear to be scouting broad strategy for the general election that doesn't just go after donald trump that attempts to tie trump to republican leadership and make him an avatar for the entire republican party. their plan as politico noted in a piece today to sound the alarm as trump paint his candidacy dangerous and terrifying what elizabeth warren did last night with a sense of urgency. >> i take donald trump very seriously. what he is promoting is a form of hate that is vary lent. this is not a reality show. this is real life and this is our country. >> meanwhile, the clinton team
began preparing a strategy to go after trump a few weeks ago. it would portray him a misson gist and put the nation in grave danger. yesterday clinton's chief strategiest showed a different attack. he is just another republican. he told "the washington post," donald trump is an unconventional candidate. when he comes down to the big issues we're debating, everyone one of the republicans are aligned with the most right. the one running to be vice president, joining me now someone who is being discussed for clinton, you're shaking your head, you don't like that introbut it's few, tom perez. great to have you here. >> always good to be with you, chris. >> have you had any talks with anyone about this? >> no. brown university people aren't allowed. you and i are brown. i'm just here in my official capacity. >> what is your -- you were just talking before the interview, if you're a political junky, you're watching this, which you are and
most of the people working in washington are. what is your sense -- i got a little worried when i saw people talking about the policy ways of going after donald trump because it seems to me like that has been shown to be a short -- not to work in the primary. >> well, i'll tell you this election is what it means to be middle class in america. under the president's leadership, we inherited the worst recession of our life time, 2.3 million jobs lost in the three months before president took office. we've now had six years in a row of private sector job growth and so we made a lot of progress on the one hand, not with standing all the opposition from mcconnell and others. at the same time, we have unfinished business. the rising tide must lift all the votes not simply the odds. and so this is a conversation about what it means to be middle class in america and the thing about it is when i hear the president and the democratic candidates what they are talking
about is raising the minimum wage, making sure -- i had a hearing today where, you know, republicans opposed our efforts to lift overtime pay for millions of people who used to get overtime but don't anymore. >> yeah. >> and things like this, paid leave. these are kitchen table issues that are very different between democrats and republicans. >> but here is the problem. there's a moment when trump said the following, he said, you know, incomes have stagnated, wages have stagnated, they're down for some people, right, it's true for certain portions of the economy. what have they done? and this strikes me as this is the fundamental problem, challenge, whoever gets the democratic nomination is it is absolutely true all these macro economic indicators have improved dramatically, job growth, unemployment, inflation is very low, gas prices are low, and yet median wages are still lower now for, i think, most households or the median is the definition, right, then in se 2000.
>> well, the question presented is what are you going to do about it? that's where the differences couldn't be more stark. you have the president talking about raising the minimum wage. you have the president talking about raising overtime, investing in skills and then you have folks on the other side who say, you know, a low minimum wage is not a problem. i won't say who but, you know, rimes with dump. and the -- then you go on. i mean, union organizing, talk to the folks that i have spoken to on the strip in las vegas who tried to organization and they didn't do it with the cooperation of management. and so if you're one of those voters who has angst -- by the way, it's very understandable angst because this has been four decades in the making. a big part of what happened for workers was, you know, the loss of leverage. >> yeah. >> and as a result of a very conscious attack on collective
bargaining and you see it most recently, for instance, in the efforts in las vegas which were successful. but not with standing the opposition of management. >> you know, there's a certain degree to which i think you could make the argument that it is the success in attacking private sector unions particularly and their destruction that has meant there's a certain part of the electorate that is very unattached to any institutional force that has looking out for their interests. >> well, there's studies that show anywhere from about 20% to 33% of the inequality that we have seen in the last couple decades is the result of declining union density. so, when unions succeed, america succeeds. when folks with angst are looking at who has a formula, you've got to really pay attention to what people are saying. there couldn't be a bigger difference. this is what it means to be middle class in america. >> tom perez, real pleasure. >> always a pleasure. trump's favorability with a major voting group is down. and by major voting group i mean half the population.
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real quotes from donald trump about women. >> a person who is very flat chested is very hard to be a 10. >> it really doesn't matter what they write, as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of [ bleep ]. >> women, you have to treat them like [ bleep ]. >> this is how donald trump talks about our mothers -- >> our sisters -- >> our daughters. >> recent attack ad on donald
trump produced by group of republicans. meanwhile a new poll out today finds that half of american women have a very unfavorable view of donald trump which is up from 40% who felt that way in october. joining me now kristen soltis-anderson. i guess my first question is i guess it's not surprising but the real question is this recoverable from? >> i think it's very difficult for donald trump to change somebody from very unfavorable to a more positive position. if someone is somewhat unfavorable, you can move them. you can persuade them. once you're very unfavorable that's entrenched. with half of women in that position, it will be very difficult for donald trump to put himself in a competitive position with whomever the democratic nominee is come november. >> can you win an election with half -- i guess we're going to test that it looks like we're going to test that if he's the nominee. can you win a national presidential election with numbers like that? >> it would be very difficult to do so. gender gaps run both ways.
look, in the 2014 mid-term elections, democrats won female voters but by a single digit margin while republicans won male voters by double digit margins in state after state. and republicans obviously had a very good mid-term election. but in this general election if you're talking about 52, 53% of voters having a very unfavorable view of the republican nominee and certainly this is a message that's -- it's not just about a position that donald trump can flip or change or try to get away from, these are statements that he's made. this is a way that he has treated women throughout the course of his public life that i think the democrats are extraordinarily excited to be able to surface and it's almost a shame that republicans are just now getting around to using these sorts of lines of attack against donald trump instead of merely saying he is not conservative enough. >> that's well said. here is a tweet. again, you can go all day with these. 26,000 unreported sexual assaults in the military only 238 convictions.
what did these geniuses expect when they put men and women together? you know, that's just like a tweet more or less taken at random. there's long howard stern interviews he talks about being avoiding stds being his own vietnam. there's no end to the material. >> there's no end to the material. donald trump confounded expectations this election by saying things any one individual donald trump tweet would scuttle the campaign of anybody else who abided by the normal rules of political gravity. but because donald trump has tapped into this very powerful frustration with the status quo, he is somehow able to abide by the rules of celebrity and entertainment instead of politics and get away with things that incredible. >> right. but my strong sense is that that is partly also due to the confines of the electorate to which he is accountable right now. he is winning, 40, 42% among the people who vote in republican primaries. move out to general and see these unfavorables i think the expectations the normal rules of political gravity apply.
>> you would think so. i've sort of been the kind of person who thought that donald trump didn't have much of a shot at winning the republican nomination nine months ago. i'm very humble about coming to the table and saying donald trump can't win something because he has proven people like me wrong before. but i think very unfavorable numbers. that's what you didn't see with the republican party last summer. you saw somewhat unfavorable numbers. donald trump's brand wasn't great at the beginning of this process. but he took those somewhat unfavorables and made them more positives. it's really hard to take someone from very unfavorable and move them to more positive ground. >> yeah, that's where he is right now. again, we've got four more months probably of just this part of the campaign. kristen soltis anderson match thank you. >> thank you. >> that is all in for this evening. happy st. paddy's day to everyone. evening, rachel. >> is your tie technically green. >> it is technically green for the holiday. >> see, i have a secret thing that's green. i'll tell you later. >> okay. all right. >> i'll see you later. thanks.
we will see chris hayes letter. we have a big show tonight. we have presidential candidate bernie sanders joining us live tonight for the interview. super excited to have senator sanders here tonight. we have spoken on this show twice with former secretary of state hillary clinton, bernie sanders his opponent we have spoken with her twice since we have last spoken with senator sanders. so we've been really eager to get him back on this show and his campaign made it happen for us today. super exciting. particularly at what feels like a real cross roads moment in the democratic race, senator bernie sanders will be here live in just a couple of minutes. there was an epic washington showdown today on the flint water crisis as a big national audience tuned in to see michigan governor rick snyder get absolutely grilled about flint by democratic members of the congressional oversight committee today while republican members of that same committee basically complimented his tie color and brushed his hair. it was alternately riveting and super weird at that hearing today. we'll have a report on that coming up later on tonight.