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sheriff joe arpaoi and trump will end the day with a rally in tucson. later today bernie sanders will hold a press conference on the mexican border in nogalas, arizona. rnlth earlier this morning a jet crashed while attempting to land in russia killing all 62 people onboard. most of those onboard were russian. pilot error and weather are being investigated as possible causes of the crash, according to russian officials. and now to the top story. the arrest in belgium of a man believed to be the last surviving suspect in the terrorist attacks on paris last november. nbc's keir simmons filed this report from brussels. >> reporter: europe's most wanted fugitive, a suspected paris attacker. injured during the raid that captured him left the hospital this morning. the french president vowing to see salah abdeslam face trial in france. one survivor of the paris massacre where 130 died reacting
this morning to the news. >> i wouldn't say it's a relief that he's been arrested. to be honest, the first thing i felt when i heard the news was numb. >> reporter: video of the police operation shows a suspect on the sidewalk. officers dragged him to a police car. he falls. then is bundled into the back. on a crowded street close by people flee as more gunfire erupts. and live on belgian television an explosion. one of many the dramatic police raid capturing the 26-year-old abdeslam on the run since the paris massacre. he's among ten isis members identified by investigators as taking part in the paris attacks. all now either died carrying them out or killed or captured. he had been on the run from police for four months. the key breakthrough was a raid tuesday in the brussels neighborhood, a suspect was shot dead. abdeslam was thought to have slipped away.
finally last night police closed in on him. >> if you could have a grain of justice for the lives that were lost, then maybe this is it and hopefully there will be some more positive steps and there will be more people found and more people detained. >> reporter: this morning curtains were drawn at abdeslam family home where he was arrested. >> msnbc foreign correspondent is with me. amman, what is the significance of this? now all ten of the suspects either killed or captured? >> it's pretty significant. on a few different fronts as you heard from that survivor there, it's not going to bring a lot of comfort to those and the family victims but it is a semblance of justice. there's a lot more to this arrest than what we're seeing right now. there's a few as speths to it. the first is the sense of immediate intelligence that authorities are going to try to get from salah abdeslam in terms of other operational cells in brussels, in europe that may have been involved. they're going to learn a lot about the paris attacks in terms
of the networks, logistics, how money was brought to these individuals. they're going to learn a lot from him once he's interrogated. a lot of this information becomes public. on one hand atsz semblance of justice for the victims but symbolically a key victory for the french and belgian authorities who had been looking for this man for four months. and at the same time they're going to learn a lot from an intelligence aspect. >> why brussels? why does brussels seem to be a focal point for the terrorist cells and operations? >> it seems this particular attack was carried out by the brussels cell within isis. this is a group of individuals at least four out of these ten individuals had very strong connections to belgium and in particular this neighborhood mo molnbeek in brussels. they traveled from syria, fought in syria, major cause of concern as to why this was happening. you speak to european experts that will tell you the community there has some challenges. they have struggled with a lot
of socioeconomic problems. it's been a challenge to integrate the muslim community into the larger system, if you will, of belgium. 40% of the population is muslim. there are all kinds of aspects to it. in this particular case, which is interesting to keep in mind, you have three individuals, three brothers. one carried out a suicide attack, one ran away, captured yesterday, an older brother who still leaves in melenbeak, law abiding citizen, raised a family there. different even within the course of one individual family. i don't think there's a cookie cutter explan nation for why this is happening in every aspect of some of these societies. >> give us an update on what is the status of the syrian migrant crisis and the status in syria because that is obviously feeding some of the tension that we're seeing in europe right now. >> absolutely. it's still a very ongoing problem, if you will. the european union in turkey are engaged in negotiations much to the disappointment of the international human rights community, if you will. they've been disappointed with
the proposals on the table. the european union is suggesting to turkey they would return or reject asylum seekers in the european union so long as they stay in turkey. turkey is arguing that it has already taken in hundreds of thousands if not millions of refugee or asylum seekers. very little is being done to stem, if you will, the tide of refugees that are coming out of syria and elsewhere. and what makes it all worse is that this is the fifth anniversary of the syrian conflict with really no end in sight. we can expect the war to go on and the refugee and migrant crisis to continue. >> important to point out the migrants coming in is not a direct correlation of things we're seeing there. just a part of the overall problem, the big picture. thank you for being here. all right. up next, a tale of two trump campaigns. the one being waged as a candidate and the rather desperate one by those trying to when you think about success, what does it look like? is it becoming a better professor
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it's a tale of two trump campaign, one the seemingly unstoppable presidential campaign of donald trump himself with three days to go until the next round of gop nominating contests in arizona and utah. the republican front-runner continues his commanding lead in the delegate count. a lead which he has strong chance of only growing, according to polling of likely voters in arizona's republican primary. and then there's the other campaign, the one being waged by donald trump opponents from within the gop who will coalescing around a single mission, stop trump. politico reporter this week on two of the most high-profile efforts to pump the brakes on trump's momentum. one is a group of conservatives led by redstate.com founder erick erickson who met in washington to call for a, quote, unity ticket, to prevent trump from collecting enough delegates to clench the nomination. the other is between house
speaker paul ryan and the gop's wealthiest tone donors is, quote, being viewed as a pivotal moment for a big money effort to block trump from the presidential to nation. but as trump continues to gather delegates in the march republican national convention in july, many in the party who had hoped to stop trump are now realizing it may already be too late. joining me from washington, "chicago sun-times" washington bureau chief lynn sweep and princeton university associate professor and author paul framer and from pensacola conservatives against trump spokesman, quinn hilliard. is it too late? shouldn't you have been doing this, like, last summer? >> a lot of people should have been doing it last summer. i was trying last summer. it's nowhere near too late. just over half the country has voted so far, which means under half the country still has not voted. of those that voted so far trump
got less than 50% of the delegates awarded so far and actually less than 40% of the vote. so the simple math is trump is below what he needs to get a majority at the convention. and this is a representative democracy. and this simple rule is, in a representative democracy, the majority rules. so far, he is under a majority. >> he's under a majority, but, paul, he's ahead of everybody else. right? there's nobody else that has more delegates than donald trump. talk a little bit about what it would mean to go into a convention. let's say trump has 1200 and not 1237 or 1199. what prague matically could republicans do to try to stop him? >> right. well, first, there is no other candidate that's going to get that 60% of the vote. mythically, cruz said he would be that but that seems quite unclear by the polls. to go into the convention, you know, i means rg it's going to be disruptive. unless trump, on his owns, which he's showing pretty much that he
can't do, is able to undermine his own support from his -- from his voters, it's going to hook like republican meddling in the same way that romney did weeks ago and that backfires. you can use lawsuits, you can use all sorts of underhanded tricks. now, maybe for the republicans this is the best thing because it will help them perhaps save the senate or the house and just accept that they will lose the election. but it's going to be -- it's going to be an ugly disruptive convention no matter what. it's very difficult to get rid of somebody without him kind of ruining it for himself, which trump seems to, despite seemingly his best efforts, unable to do. >> it's almost like he's trying to throw the game and everybody is like, no, you're still going to win. >> lynn, the interesting tact that you're seeing republicans, including the conservative club for girls take, to try to derail trump, is to essentially to try to call him a democrat. i find that an odd tactic. the club for growth has this ad. do we
have the ad? let's play the ad.
>> universal health care. >> i am going to take care of everybody. >> who pays for it? >> the government is going to pay for it. >> ask donald trump why he sides with hillary clinton and why he wants more government health care. >> lynn, that presumes that donald trump supporters are somehow diehard, old-fashioned conservatives who don't like medicare. that's the opposite of who they are, right? wi >> well, joy, it's not only the
content of the ad but whether or not these ads can be effective. the club for growth and other anti-trump super pacs did pour in millions in florida just last tuesday and the other states last tuesday, finally mobilizing and it didn't have an impact. so it probably isn't just -- if this message is the right one, the message that donald trump is not is a real conservative is one that the anti-trump forces have been talking about and hasn't seeped in. and this paid advertising may be
coming too little too late. >> and, quinn, you know, one of the things i think people don't understand, from a civics point of view, is people assume we go and vote, the popular vote decides who the nominee is and that isn't how it work at all. the delegates can essentially go in, they are the ones who select a nominee. so, yes, by the rules, paul ryan as chairman of the republican national convention, can make the rules in such a way to derail donald trump. he can do whatever he wants to do. right? >> yes. >> but that's -- >> here is what trump is saying would happen. if somehow the anti-trump forces were to prevail at the convention. let's listen to what donald trump says might happen. >> if we're 20 votes short, or if we're, you know, a hundred short and we're at 1100 and somebody else is at 500 or 400, because we're way ahead of everybody, i don't think you can say that we don't get it automatically. i think it would be -- i think you would have eye rots. i think you would have riots. >> at this point, quinn, you guys are playing with a dangerous fire here in donald
trump that your party sort of cultivated this kind of anger and that is what you're now getting. >> that's absurd. first of all, let me repeat, this is a representative democracy and a representative democracy the majority rules. >> and donald trump is winning the majority of votes in each of these primaries, quin. >> no, he is not. >> yes, he is. who is beating him? >> no. he has not won a majority in a single primary. he's actually won under 40% of the votes cast. he's won under 50% of the delegates. nobody is talking about changing rules. all we're talking about is the basic clear rules that are representative democracy which is that the majority rules. >> it want to ask you a question because you're deciding essentially if you don't get 50% you're not legitimate. is marco rubio the legitimately elected united states senator from florida? yes or no. is he the legitimate -- >> marco rubio -- >> hold on. is he legitimately elected united states senator elect fred
florida? yes or no. >> of course he is because he won -- >> 50% of the vote? he won a three-way contest. he did not get 50% of the vote. he did not get what your characterizing as a majority and yet you view him as a lenl mate winner. donald trump is winning these primaries. >> he won under the re-established rules. the preestablished rules, he got the nomination and then -- and than he went into a general election and won. >> won less than 50% of the vote. >> and all we are saying is that the preestablished rules as in most elections, the preestablished rules of the republican caucus -- i mean, convention are that it takes 50% to win, which is how most elections are run in the united states of america. >> let's go to you, paul, we know very -- >> it's simple. >> eeclearly that george w. bush did not get more than 50% of the vote to become president of the united states, neither did bill clinton. two times to become president of the united states. we understand that this idea, this myth call idea quin has
invented on this program this morning, isn't true. right? i mean, am i missing something? >> no, you're absolutely right. bill clinton in either of his elections get 50% of the vote because ross perot white house runni -- ross perot was running in both races. if he was, who everyone could rally around and keep trump at 35%, 40%, and sweep up all the other votes, sure. but they thought maybe it would be bush, maybe it would be rubio. kasich doesn't seecm to be that person. i don't think ted cruz is that person either. given amount of candidates trump has the largest amount of support. and the person with the largest amount of support, for that person not to win, that's a tough thing to legitimate in the eyes of the public. >> and, lynn, as you know -- >> let me jump in here. >> quick. >> i want to go to lynn first. go to lynn first and then come back to you. go ahead, lynn. i'll come back to you, quin. >> i think this conversation demonstrates the point that
there is confusion between plurality and majority wins. and under the -- in different sets of rules guide different stages of the election process. trump's simple message is, oh, i have the most, i should win, is the one that you don't have to explain a lot. when -- if we just keep replaying the last 45 seconds of the back and forth, that all plays to trump's advantage because what part -- it's a party convention. party makes rules and they undo rules. trump is not a party insider. and that's why he has to scramble now to try and get a -- his public, his supporters to pressure the insiders not to change the rules in a way that might be more harmful to him than not. >> right. >> when they get to cleveland. i think that's the point when you explain, you lose, even though the -- even though the rules are the rules. >> yeah. quin, i'm going to give you the
last word. no one is disputing the party being a party and can make its own rules can't prevent trump from getting the nomination by altering the rules. the question would be the consequences. i'll give you the last word. >> the last word is it is trump who is trying to alter the rules. the rules already say you need a majority, not a single person in the stop trump movement is talking about changing the rules. we're just talking about going by the rules that are already there. >> what if nobody has -- what if nobody has 50%? then who gets the nomination? >> i was about to say. five of the last seven national convention where's somebody went in with a plurality but not a majority ended up losing. abraham lincoln in 1860 did not have a plurality of the delegates when he went into the first republican convention, but on the third ballot, he won. that's how conventions work. it's a convention where ordinary
americans, delegates get to decide, not -- not some sort of party insider that is being talked about. these are ordinary americans elected as delegates making a decision and right now trump has gotten less than 40% of the votes cast. >> all right. >> that is certainly not even close to a majority. >> we're going to look for multiple ballots and we will see on the third, fourth, or hundredth ballot. eisenhower didn't get any. he still got to be the nominee. party rules. thank you all. and when we come back, the political blame game continues over the flint water crisis. these are the hands that build the machines, the machines that sort, stack and seal. these are the hands that keep private information private. these are the hands of pitney bowes, the craftsmen of commerce. these are the hands that dig for opportunity, identify patterns,
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the notion of who was to blame for the lead poisoned water plumped into nearly 100,000 homes in flint depended on which party had the microphone. democrats pointed the finger at snyder. the republicans reserved their anger for mccarthy, appointee of president obama. >> let me be blunt. this was a failure of government at all levels. local, state, and federal officials. we all failed the families of flint. >> i'm not buying that you didn't know about any of this until october 2015. you were not in a medically induced coma for a year. i've had about enough of your false contrition and phony apologies. >> so, yes, i agree the epa should have snatched control out of governor snyder's hands even sooner than they did. but governor snyder's caused this horrific disaster and
poisoned the children of flint. >> why do we even need an epa? if you can't do that you are in those homes -- no, i am asking the questions. >> okay. >> yes, okay. >> and joining me now is flint resident and activist melissa mace. it's good to see you again in person. >> yes. >> so you heard the little blame game there. who do you blame? you are a resident of flint. >> i blame the michigan department of environmental quality. they poisoned us. they did not recommend the corrosion control. and i blame governor snooiyder' whole administration because they knew about this. one tidbit that came out is he finally admitted he knew there were problems with the water in 2014 but he said issues. just discoloration and foul smell, apparently that's okay. >> you know, how did you feel? there was a 10-year-old with you that put out a drawing and it was of governor snyder's testimony. he's got some thoughts in his thought bubble there about what he thought about governor snyder's testimony. how do you feel when you hear governor rick snyder say, hey,
we didn't know. >> it's lies. a 10-year-old can sit there and know that he's lying. we we all know the truth in flint because we've lived it. we've got through it. partisanship, one side or the other can point fingers all day long. we know who poisoned us. and the 10-year-old child drew it out exactly perfectly. >> what's being done about it now? when we were there with my colleague rachel maddow and we were in flint, one of the big issues was none of the lead surface lines had been replaced at that point. has any been replaced? >> one lead surface line has been replaced. one. there were two others done by a private company and not done correctly so that was an issue. one through the mayor's plan because the governor has not sent funding for it. so we have no money. again, he's been in control of our finances. we can't spend anything until a governor okays it. so we're still under state control. so wet can't even fix ourselves because he's still running us and deciding it's not important, we're just going to put chemicals in and recoat the pipes. i have a copper surface line that is held together with lead
welds and solder. my water turns blue every single day and it's copper. i can look in my tub, it's still not face. next month it will be two years we've been going through this. >> are you still living on bottled water? >> yeah, we have to. >> where is this bottled water coming from? >> sfir stations. you pick up your ration of one case per day. >> it's not delivered to you. you have to pick it up? >> no, they stopped delivering after three weeks. so what i do in my spare time since i'm on sick leave is deliver water to people who don't have car, elderly, homebound, sick, preschool, day cares. they're not getting deliveries. the most vulnerable are getting left out. so we have a coalition called flint rising that we go canvas on the weekends to see who needs what. there are still people boiling the water, still people drinking the water because nobody has sent out anything in the mail saying, hey, there's lead in the water, don't boil it, don't do this. and the worst part is that we're still showering in this. i am now working with mark and scott of water defense. we just got my water test back. my chloroform is through the
roof. several industrial solvents, sewage runoff in my water and that's why there's rashes and hair loss. i feel like i'm going to pass out after every shower. it just keeps getting worse. the galvanized pipes, copper are destroyed. >> you have three children. >> three sons. >> there was when we were in flipt talk of needing to have a immediate nutritional support to try to abate the effects of lead. >> yes. >> is that support being provided to families like yours? >> there's a mobile food pantry in certain areas. again, if you don't have a car, guess what. >> how do you get it? the supermarket in flint is not convenient. i want to show a map that shows what's happening in flint seems like it would be a horror story about one city if if you look at the entire country and the p pervasiveness of lead pipes and lead poisoning, it's astonishing. >> it's scary. they have ignored the infrastructure for so long and when you get cities like ours that say we're going to save the money, this is what happens. this has to be money, will has
to be funding put back in for infrastructure. it's just not there. it's been cut over the years. we need $27 billion a year to maintain our infrastructure so this doesn't happen to other people. but i think right now the funding is $2 billion per year. >> governor snyder has contained some money, right? >> well, very little. we still haven't received any money. we're waiting on the $2 million he promised. >> he promised money to help defray costs of your water bill. >> let me talk about that. so he's promising $30 million to go towards the bills. only 65% of just the water portion. our water is one hup% contaminated but he says you can still flush your toilet even though it destroyed our pipes. >> still pay your bill? >> yes, it's a credit towards future poisoned water bills. mine is $812.81, you don't get the credit. >> but he has found the money for his legal defense. >> $1.2 million to pay for his
legal defense against him poisoning us. >> the thing infuriating that people have to get through their heads, this didn't happen because your mayor made a mistake or city council, flint was under the control of one person, governor of the state of michigan. >> one level of government. democracy defense, that's what she said. he keeps saying there was a failure on all levels. no, one level, emergency management. that's state. >> thank you for being here and being so great at articulating the horror your family is going through. best of luck to you and your kids. up next, it's not just republicans mad about the president's pick for the supreme court.
when president obama announced merrick garland has supreme court pick this week you could almost hear the sighs of disappointment among many in the president's base for his choice of a judge perceived as moderate, even conservative on some issues and for not appointing another first tt court, say the first black woman
justice or first asian american. but the president is standing behind his pick. >> when it comes to the supreme court, i've appointed two women. one hispanic. and in each case the good news is is that i appointed the person who i absolutely thought was the best person for the job. in this case, merrick garland is the best person for the job. >> joining me now from washington, d.c. is kristen clark who is the president of the lawyers committee for civil rights underlaw, crist february ka kang and jason. >> i'm going to start with you, the president has made the case he's appointed two women, one hispanic justice. this is the person whwho was th person for the job. i read your article in "the root" and you disagree. >> isn't it nice that president obama is engaging in the same kind of tonism he's railed against? so you put two women on the
court so that's now enough. i have had a huge problem with the entire way that president obama has handled this. number one, i think, again, he has advocated to the republican party. always trying to make friends with people who don't like him. number two, he's mott playing to win. look, this is your opportunity to change the supreme court for the next 25 years and you go for the easiest, most milquetoast selection you can find. honestly, i think it's a smack in the face to african-american women, to asian-americans, to the entire coalition of people who have allowed him to win them both and basically telling them i don't care about you because i would rather try and make peace with the republican party when he could have just appointed somebody to the bench. >> kristen, the point is in your former executive director bar brar bara orwine, a civil rights activist railed against this nomination. i talked on background with civil rides leaders extremely disappointed and made a specific point that back women who turned out at 72% highest voter turnout of any group, black women who have the highest approval rating
for this president, gave him 96% of their votes, the fact that he skipped over this demographic that's been so loyal to him angered a lot of people, and specifically black women. how do you feel about it? >> i think people are disappointed. and the reality is that merrick garland does not contribute to the racial diversity or gender diversity of the u.s. supreme court. but i think it's important to look at this nomination in a broader context. and when we do that, we see that this has been a president who has been deeply committed to judicial diversity and deeply committed to the principle of placing more african-americans on federal district courts and federal circuit courts. throughout his presidency he's nominated more than 70 african-americans to serve on district courts and circuit courts across our country, including 15 to the circuit court, which is traditionally the pipeline to which supreme court nominees are plucked.
so i think we have to look at the president's overall track record. and when we do that we see that this is somebody who is deeply committed to judicial diversity. he gets it. and you know, here he's fulfilled his constitutional obligation which is to -- >> i'm sorry. go on. finish. >> -- which is to place somebody in that vacant seat on the court. every day that that court stands at eight members, has grave inmy indications for communities of color, hugely important cases before the court concerning voting rights, the meaning of one person, one vote, racial diversity in colleges and universities. we face a grave constitutional crisis every day that that supreme court stands at eight members. >> yeah. and, chris, i wanted to talk to you because diversity is not just a black/white issue. there was a prominent name floated as a potential nominee and that's receive srinivavap.
the lower courts are important but it's the ultimate compliment to pay to a injujuryist. i know there was behind the scenes a great deal of lobbying for sri. how do you feel about the fact that he, too, was passed over? >> well, hi, joy. thanks so much for having me. obviously my first reaction when the president made his announcement was disappointment. he hoped he would place the first asian-american on the supreme court and i think judge srinivasan would have been a great choice. the days leading up to the announcement i've been proud of where our community is in that judge srinivasan was interviewed by the president and this is the first time asian-american was considered by the president in final round of consideration. i take a step back and think about why that's happened. it's because president obama appointed more asian-american and pacific islanders as federal judges than others combined. and more africa, more hispanic,
more women judges than any other president. and so, look, it's really tough to miss out on this one slot, the biggest slot of all, but in the grand scheme of things i think it's clear we're moving in the right direction. >> you know, i'll come back to you on that, jason, for you to answer those defenses of what the president did. we do know that not only was sri floated, a schoolmate of mine was floated, paul watford, african-american judge. there were names of people of color who were very seriously considered. do you accept that rationale, that the president has done a really good job of adding diversity to the bench? >> not to the supreme court. not when you have those kinds of options he didn't pick them. look, i understand. . a lot of defenses of president obama. look, he's playing chess. other playing are playing checkers. no, he's playing checkers and the republicans have been beating him over the head with a chess board for eight years. me he made this decision because maybe merrick garland is somebody i can get through. if the republican party has said
we're not going to talk to anybody that you present, then he had a power within that one week window to appoint someone to the court who would have been there for a year. hillary clinton would have done that. george bush would have done that. >> a recess appointment. >> recess appointment, yes. most of the people run for president right now in our previous presidents would have said you know what, the future of this country's judiciary is more important than petty politics. he had an opportunity to make history. completely constitutional and he gave it up because he was more concerned with trying to look like the bigger man in the room as opposed to the person commanding this country. >> or merrick garland is the person he wanted to nominate. the president is thought of as being a very liberal person. maybe he actually wanted merrick garland. kristen clarke, christopher kang, jason, appreciate it. up next, the shooting death of a maryland police officer by another police officer and much needed reform coming to ferguson. when you think about success, what does it look like?
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hannity this morning. and bernie sanders will hold a conference at the mexican border in arizona today. joining me is msnbc correspondent, tony dokoupil. what are you seeing this morning? >> reporter: hey, joy, good morning. i'm in forest hills and forest park, the location for trump's rally at 11:00 a.m. today. you can see the sun is popping up. the venue there in the foreground. there's about 100 people, maybe 150 people in line. very quiet at this hour. quieter than past trump rallies i've attended. usually at this stage there are many more people in line and there's already a protest contingent. things could get a little more dramatic and interesting as we approach the actual start time of the event. two reasons for that. first of all, this is joe arpaio country, the tough-talking anti immigration sheriff. this is his hometown and he's doing double duty, appearing on stage with trump, endorsing trump. because he's the sheriff of this county, he's also doing security
here. and that's the second reason why things could get interesting. he said it's going to be a lot of fun to police this venue, and he looks forward to protesters coming out. he's got his paddy wagons here and he says if they, quote, violent the law, they will go to the tents. that's a reference to the tent cities. very controversial in their own right. arizona has been synonymous with the immigration debate for years. arizona is a place where in 2010 they passed the, quote, show me your papers law, so-called because of a requirement that law enforcement checked the immigration status of anyone they pull over. this is also a place where jan brewer has taken really hard line policies on immigration. and it's a state where they have been trying to build a wall on their border, a 400-mile border with mexico for five years, long before trump. start, there are opposing sides here who could come together in quite dramatic clash at 11:00 a.m., joy. >> tony dokoupil. not sure i've heard of security being on stage and at an event.
ever heard of that before? >> very strange. despite today's statewide protests from latino groups, he's ahead of ted cruz by 12 points. joining me from nashville, campaign directed for you wanted we dream. you just heard what tony dokoupil said. joe arpaio providing security and being on stage at the flash point in arizona. what are your thoughts? >> thank you so much for the invite. we know many of our leaders in arizona from adac, lucha, that have stood up against arpaio, against jan brewer, out there today to make it clear, not only to trump, but also to governor deucy that we're fed up with their hate politics. >> we know we have heard a surge in people going ahead and getting their citizenships. what is the status of that effort? >> many other constituents on the ground are working to make
sure that people go out to vote, and also to make sure that those who are eligible to become citizens become citizens so they can also vote. we know what's at stake here. we have seen what has happened. i have actually been at a trump rally. this was last summer. in d.c. where you could actually feel the hate. i was with -- about 20, 30, young latino immigrants. of we went out there to say our piece. at a trump rally. and we were pushed, shoved, spit on. there was even a gentleman -- an older man who actually pulled one of the girl's hair to the ground. so you could feel the hate. we know what's at stake. we know what trump, rubio, cruz has been doing. if you're an anti immigrant, if you're racist, it's perfectly okay to make it loud and actually to use violence against these people. not only against latino immigrants but against other immigrants like muslims. so it's a total shame. and i think that the people on
the ground are saying, no, we are fed up with this. >> yeah, and it's interesting you mentioned rubio and cruz, who, of course, a lot of republicans believed could somehow sway latino voters were either to be the nominee. but you mentioned them as being a part of the problem. what do you mean by that? >> i mean, they were both using the same -- maybe different words, but the same hate speech, right? maybe rubio would say, like, oh, well, i supported immigration reform for enforcement. but i will also get rid of deferred action. aka, i will deport these young people as well as their families. trump just says it in a more vulgar way. it's basically the same thing. i'm going to deport everybody who is not here with documents. >> and how -- just give us a sense of how it feels right now. this is a very strange moment for a lot of people in this country to see a movement like trump's. but so much of that hatred, as you said, directed against muslims, but also against your community. what does that feel like from your point of view?
>> it's been very frustrating. i think it's very en raging to see that one man and one party has made it okay to say you can hate people, you can spit on them. someone that's supposed to be -- or is running for president, to make it okay for him to use that kind of language, and incite violence. i think it's disappointing to -- although i believe democracy, it's disappointing to hear that people actually think this man, trump, should be someone that should be running our country. >> yeah. >> it has made it okay to say punch him out and i'll pay for the bill. it's not only hateful, but it's outrageous, disgusting, to say the least. >> indeed. thank you so much for bringing us that perspective in nashville, tennessee. thank you for being with us.
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