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of the natural world? whatever your definition of success is, helping you pursue it, is ours. t-i-a-a. good morning, everyone, i'm live from msnbc headquarters in new york. our top story today, president obama and the first family are about to make history. they'll be departing for havana, cuba, just hours from now. president obama will be the first president to make an official visit to cuba since calvin coolidge stopped by on a battleship 88 years ago. in making the trip, president obama is doing a very careful balancing act, seeking to normalize relations between the two countries while pushing the communist nation's leaders to expand political and economic freedoms. the obama administration has been reducing restrictions on trade and travel since announcing plans to normalize relations with cuba in december of 2014, after 50 years of
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hostilities. this week the white house shared some of the new rules they've been able to institute, like direct mail service to cuba for the first time in half a century. including a letter from president obama himself to a 76-year-old letter writer there. and an end to the requirement that cuban baseball players have to defect to the u.s. in order to sign with major league baseball teams. something front and center when president obama and cuban president raul castro attend a baseball game together between the tampa bay rays and the cuban national team scheduled for tuesday. but despite those changes lots of political issues remain unresolved, including the trade embargo which congress controls, the guantanamo bay detention center, also under congress' purview and cuba's oppression of political dissidents. nbc's chris jansing joins me now from havana. give us a sense of what the agenda will be for the president in cuba this week. >> you do have this sense of history ayman. when the president sets foot on
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cuban soil, the first sitting american president since calvin coolid coolidge. that will be the picture shown in history classes for decades to come. this is a legacy issue for president obama who believes in engagement over estrangement. but of course the timing is also critical. because it comes in the middle of this incredibly divisive presidential campaign, and a current and former candidate on the republican side are both cuban-americans have been very vocal in their criticism against president obama, that being narco rubio and ted cruz. and so there is a heavy air of politics. and what the world will be watching will be to see what the president says and does. he claims he is going to push hard against human rights abuses for economic reforms. for democracy, and, in fact, on tuesday, what will be the centerpiece of this push, he's giving a speech here, and the white house claims absolutely unsensored, and they are choosing the people who will be in that audience. the president believes very strongly that getting this
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message out to the young people of cuba is critical to bringing change to this island that has been so isolated for so long. already we're starting to see the impact of some of the changes that the president put into place, starting more than a year ago. starwood hotels, those are the folks who have cherton, among other brands, announcing late yesterday that they're going to be refurbishing three historic buildings here. they will have hotels opening in cuba. something there are many other hotel chains based in the united states would like to see. in addition to that we've seen just this year the number of american visitors increased to cuba by 77%. this is a huge part of the economic engine here. it's something that's causing a great deal of interest. but there are still a lot of hurdles to overcome. the key one you mentioned, ayman and that is the embargo. something that congress is not inclined to do right now and something that will continue to be part of this political battle that's going on. but for now the president will be bringing a congressional
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delegation with him. they'll be on essentially a fact finding as well as pr mission, and looking to see what this three, two and a half days might bring here in cuba for the future of u.s./cuban relations. >> let me ask you very quickly about the mood among ordinary cubans there. obviously the history of this, not lost on the cuban people, as well. what's the mood been by ordinary cubans, and the warming of relations? >> i think in many ways there is a divide as we see in the united states that is age based. those who remember and lived under fidel castro. they have a very different view than the people now who are in their teens or early 20s. who have had some access to the internet, and who really care about the economic opportunities. there's no one here, of course, who doesn't care about the economic opportunity. but there is still some suspicion in some quarters about the u.s., and the u.s. government, and possible
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interference here. something obviously that the castro regime has done nothing to tamp down. and, in fact, they've been very public this week about warning the united states not to try to get involved deeply in to government affairs sprping said that, you do sense some excitement, excitement at the possibility of what the future might bring. excitement at the possibility of jobs, of change here. so i think that overall, the feeling here is one of hopefulness, without a doubt. it's a little different than foreign trips i have seen in a couple of ways. usually when i've traveled with the president, when you're coming in from the airport, the boulevards are lined with signs, with the picture of the president, or greeting the president. we've only seen one, and that is in old havana, which has been refurbished because he's going to do a walking tour there. and the other way you'll notice a difference is that when we travel with the president to foreign places there generally is a joint press conference. we're going to see them both make statements here.
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but unlike the other places we've been, aman, no questions will be directed to raul castro. >> all right. chris jansing live for us in havana, cuba. a lot of history but a lot of divisions. we'll be checking in with you throughout the course of this historic trip. joining me now the cuban-american father and son tag team. the host of news radio 610 wiod in florida, and his father retired executive. thank you both for joining us. do you think cuban citizens as we're hearing from chris want more trade and involvement with the united states, and how receptive do you think cuban citizens and on our side cuban-americans are to the rebuilding of this relationship? >> there is no question that the cuban people, after 57 years of repression and intimidation and hopelessness, have a high expectation of change. with the opening of the u.s. relations with cuba.
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while the president we're 15 months into the u.s. opening into cuba, and while the president had a noble intention in reaching out to cuba, we wonder if he has been naive, at best, or at worst, as he focused on serving his own legacy at the expense of national security interests. in the united states. and the plight of the repressed cuban people whose human rights continue to be violated as recently as yesterday, when 200 dissidents were rounded up and arrested. before at rival of the president. so it's a mixed bag. i'll give him the benefit of the doubt. we have high expectations as the cuban people do, but the jury is out, and what he is about to say in his speech to the cuban nation is absolutely critical.
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so we stand by and anxiously await his words. >> your father raises a really good point about kind of a sense of cautious optimism. yesterday nbc's chuck todd had a chance to talk to national security adviser condoleezza rice about this trip, about the impact of the administration's cuba policy. let's take a listen to it. >> we're already seeing how popular this change is with the people of cuba, because they understand that even as isolated as they've been from the united states, their future lies in stronger ties to the u.s. >> that was susan rice, i apologize for that mishap. but let me get your reaction. do you share your father's sentiment that there is a cautious optimism to this? or do you think that there is a much more willingness on the cuban people's part in the reception of this new relationship? >> when it comes to the cuban people's perspective our firm conducted the first poll of this nature, independent poll in cuba and it was overwhelming. in 97% welcome this new normalization. and next to the pope, barack
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obama is the most popular figure in cuba. double the degree of popularity of the castros. so i think from their perspective, they're hopeful for anything that's going to bring about change. where i agree with my father is the cuban regime has in essence kept the people isolated. so this historic, momentous trip by the president could signal the beginning of a new relationship. and i think from the president's perspective, what is this an opportunity to do? is this trip going to be about the baseball game, which is what the visual the cuban government wants? they want to see kind of a capitulation, barack obama in the stands. or is it going to be about his speech to the cuban people which is the first time, really, the american president, someone who represented the evil empire, is now speaking directly unfiltered to the cuban people. >> it's a fine line between the optics -- >> and i think the administration is very conscientious of that. many of us who are anticipating this trip with great eagerness are waiting to see what the president has to say. i think this trip really rests on the president's words more than anything else. >> mr. amandi sr., the president
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asked for cuba to lift the embargo during this year's state of the union. u.s. internet searches for flights to cuba up by 500% and the ice is melting in many ways for ordinary americans. interest in cuba seems to be increasing in america, as well. but why now do you think? >> well on december the 17th, when the president spoke to the nation, and announced the opening to cuba, he made it a central tenet of that opening that human rights and democracy and the welfare of the cuban people, was front and center. that there had to be clear evidence of progress against those goals which are intrensically american goals and values. and here we are, 15 months in to that mission and the president is going to meet with the planet's oldest dictator. dictator raul castro, who has not received one vote by the cuban people in 57 years.
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and we -- and he's somehow violated his own requirement. what progress has been made, if any, at this point? so from a human rights perspective, the president is really, in fact the cuban regime just said human rights, and political prisoners, which was one of the key elements of the white house, to discuss, with the cuban regime, is off the table. now why is that? >> hmm. all right well we heard chris jansing talk about a generational divide. we got a sense of that here. we're going to thank you very much. we have a lot more to talk to you about throughout the rest of the show. more protests and violence at donald trump rallies. this time in arizona. that's next. stay with us.
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donald trump saturday campaigning in arizona was met with protests at every stop. trump's rally last night in tucson was disrupted several times by demonstrators. tensions escalated when a member of the crowd punched and kicked a protester who was being escorted out of the event. police said a man was arrested and charged with misdemeanor assault in the incident. the trump campaign is also responding to video that appears to show trump's campaign manager, corey lewandowski grabbing a protester by the collar. a statement from trump campaign spokesperson hope hicks said that if the video clearly shows the protester reacting to the man who pulled him, not to mr. lewandowski. protesters also shut down the main road leading to an earlier trump rally outside of phoenix preventing hundreds of cars from passing their blockade for nearly two hours. at the main rally site where trump addressed a crowd of thousands, the protests continued outside a perimeter set up by the secret service. meanwhile on the east coast, several hundred anti-trump
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protesters here in new york staged a protest at trump properties in manhattan. marching from the trump international hotel to the trump tower. police used pepper spray after a clash with some of the protesters, and made two arrests. i want to go now to tucson and nbc's jacob rascon, who's been with the trump campaign in arizona this weekend. give us a sense of what's the latest in terms of both the reaction to these protests, and what's happening today, jacob? >> ayman, good morning from arizona. the front lines of the immigration debate. it's where donald trump and ted cruz have spent a lot of time recently. that protester who was beat up here at the rally in tucson was sucker punched and beat while on the ground. the most violent incident we've seen yet at a donald trump rally. and he tells me his only thought was to protect his head, and he says, it was worth it. le. >> donald trump has got to go! >> reporter: the anger is palpable. violence it seeps, now inevitable.
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scores of protesters at every donald trump rally. >> there's a disgusting guy puts a ku klux klan hat on. >> reporter: in tucson one protester in a white hood led out behind another brian sanders who was attacked by a man in the crowd repeatedly punched and kicked. >> what's going through your mind? >> protect your head. what was going through my mind was put your arms over your head, because this political movement has gotten to the point where you may get beat to death inside of a rally. i just got my [ bleep ] kicked. all right? i just got beat in the middle of a political rally in america, all right? >> reporter: this is trump's campaign manager looked more like a bouncer at the rally, grabbing the collar of one protesters. another man pulling the young man back. the front-runner meanwhile hoping his tough talk on immigration resonates. >> you know, this country has a
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big, big problem with illegal immigration. >> reporter: a key issue in arizona, where sheriff joe arpaio and governor jan brewer rallied with him. last-ditch efforts to stop trump growing desperate. millions in ad money against him in utah and beyond. and reports of a 100-day stop trump campaign led by the ever unpopular establishment. whose captain mitt romney is now voting cruz. >> republicans are coming together behind this campaign. >> reporter: in utah, cruz now showing a sizable lead over trump, while despite his difficult road ahead, john kasich telling chuck todd he won't be anyone's vice president. >> under no circumstance -- are you people kidding me? >> and the trump supporter who beat up the protester was arrested and charged with misdemeanor assault, with injury, and donald trump here is leading in the polls by double digits in some cases. but the organized grassroots efforts against him are becoming more bold than we've ever seen
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them. >> all right thank you very much to nbc's jacob rascon in tucson, arizona. joining me now once again, republican strategist john carlo and nbcnews.come contributor raul reyes. let me begin with you, we're seeing in some of these videos that violence has become almost a commonplace event at every one of these donald trump rallies. how concerned do you think the republican party is that this campaign is now taking on a very different tone at these events? >> i would think they are very concerned. and those concerns are going to be growing as the campaign moves towards california. where you even have, you know, you have a large population of latinos and certainly many assimilated third, fourth and so forth generation mexican-americans. and there's another side to this whole trump phenomena. we talked a lot about the political side of the rallies. on the other side, we have seen in the last -- this six month -- three months of this year and
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last year, an incredible drive in latinos seeking citizenship. these are people who are long-term permanent residents who did not take the last step towards becoming citizens. this year it's up 14%. that's on top of i think 11% in the last two months of last year. these people are overwhelmingly latinos and they say they're mobilizing to vote because they want to vote against trump. these are new voters turning out. in a state like arizona which is one-third hispanic i think they rank sixth in the country for the hispanic population, people see once again immigration becoming a, you know, a huge issue in the state. people see this, this is a potential violation of their civil rights. many of them who are american citizens have suffered from racial profiling. joe arpaio himself was convicted of -- was found guilty of racial profiling in arizona. so this is a true threat to latino families. to people who have trends, coworkers, and it should be very troubling for the republican party. >> john carlo "the washington post" is reporting a meeting is
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scheduled to take place between donald trump and some republican lawmakers. that's scheduled to take place tomorrow as well as some republican consultants. why is this meeting so important and why do you think this is happening now? >> because the republican party realizes that if, god forbid, donald trump is the standardbearer heading into november he needs to do something. he needs to take control of these rallies over which he's presiding. he claims that he's a leader who has great strength but he looks weak when this kind of nonsense, this kind of brutality is occ occurring at his events. not to mention we need to be the party of the big tent. demographics, data, all of that prove that the republican party does not expand if it keeps its focus on white males, an ever shrinking percentage of the american population, then we're destined for the dust bin when it comes to electoral victories. and this kind of brutality undermines both of those arguments. >> several months ago you heard a lot of prominent republicans say they would never vote for ted cruz, there was a lot of criticism against him. but as the reality sinks in it
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may become donald trump as obviously the front-runner and potentially the nominee we're hearing from senator lindsey graham that he's going to be endorsing ted cruz. i was curious to get your thoughts on that about-face in the sense that he's changing that position now willing to embrace ted cruz what does that mean for some of these establishment republicans that they're going to settle for a ted cruz? >> well it means politics can make for strange bedfollows. like machiavelli said if you want to take his example. there are no permanent enemies or friendships, only temporary alliances. no republican thought at this stage in the campaign that they would be having to stop donald trump. i think the thinking was that was going to take place in 2015. yet here we are in 2016 donald trump the likely nominee of the party. why is this such a challenge for donald trump? the issue that brought him to prominence, in my judgment, at least, was the immigration issue. the immigration issue by far the reason donald trump rose and shot like a cannon out of the polls. arizona, the ground zero for that -- the ground zero state for that issue.
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sb-1070 which comes out of arizona and becomes the move that gives rise to a lot of the anti-immigrant activists. donald trump has had every opportunity to tone down the passions, to bring calm and restore order. but then he brings out someone like joe arpaio who for the hispanic community is the equivalent of bull conner in the '60s for the african-americans. joe arpaio is as bad as bull conner was. they see someone that if he had the dogs he would unleash them on the hispanic community. and i think that is why people are concerned. because folks thought trump would be shifting towards a more general election mind-set, and if anything else he's doubling down on what got him through this primary. >> on that point how is it possible that donald trump is going to say he's going to win with the hispanics, create jobs for them, but at the same time still associating himself with sheriff joe par ao. >> and jan brewer and people like steve king. these are all people who are nationally known among latinos as being very against the interests of our community. one thing i think, another thing
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i abig problem for republican party going ahead we saw a lot of anti-trump advertisements put toward by the republican establishment and super pacs in florida. they didn't work. i know they're doing it in arizona. who knows if they're going to work. among latinos not only does donald trump have something like an 80% unfavorable ranking, among latinos when you break it down it's 72% very unfavorable. and this is someone who's going to be most likely the nominee from the party. that is a hard barrier to get past. >> what does he have to do to make inroads with the latino community? is there a way for donald trump to make way inroads into -- >> quit. >> if there is, i don't know what it looks like. i mean he has to fundamentally change his tone, change his rhetoric. and i think if he were to do that he would lose a lot of the base of his support. a base that i would contend perhaps lies outside tede the fs of the republican party. >> i didn't think it was politically possible but i've come to the conclusion trump is
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not trying to get the latino vote anymore. he's basically said that's not my vote. >> can you win the presidency in the united states now without the latino vote? >> well it depends on how much of the other vote that you get. i think there is unfortunately a scenario where he could maximize one segment of the electorate but i think it would leave a polarized country in its wake. >> i was going to say there are a lot of latinos active in the republican party. i welcome and their voices in cleveland. i hope they prevail in terms of convincing my party that there's a better way to go for the strength and for the duration of our party as well as for winning in november. >> thank you very much. appreciate all of your insights. donald trump as we were mentioning could be the next leader of the free world. and the world is actually quite nervous about that. we're going to tell you all about that. chantix. i had a lot of doubts going in. i was a smoker. hands down, it was, that's who i was. after one week of chantix, i knew i could quit. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. chantix definitely helped reduce my urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation,
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among the people cruz lists is frank gaffney. gaffney once a security official in the reagan administration, is now one of america's most notorious islam phones. that is according to the southern poverty law center. gaffney claims american muslims are plotting to overthrow the government and institute islamic religious law in the united states. gaffney is also responsible for a claim often repeated in conservative media, despite being debunked, that one quarter of american muslims support violent jihad against the united states. and gaffney now has the ear of ted cruz, the man that some establishment republicans are rallying around as a safer choice for president than donald trump. up next we'll have the very latest on the arrest of another suspect in the paris attacks. stay with us. incredible bladder protection from always discreet that lets you move like you mean it now comes with an incredible promise. the always discreet double your money back guarantee. always discreet is for bladder leaks and it's drier than poise.
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after he was arrested in a dramatic raid there on friday salah abdeslam was allegedly and directly involved in planning the attacks which the islamic state terrorist group has taken credit for. the other suspects are either dead or captured. french officials say abdeslam was planning to set off a suicide bomb but changed his mind at the last minute. joining me from molenbeek, belgium, christopher, good to have you with us again. what's the latest in this investigation? i understand you had a chance to tour the neighborhood today and speak to some of the locals there about their attitudes and sentiments in terms of salah abdeslam being arrested and captured in their neighborhood. >> yeah. well, look, in terms of the case itself, there's a lot of legal maneuvering going on. they're trying to stall -- his lawyers are trying to stall the extradition to france as long as they can because they know that the french are going to interrogate the hell out of him, and nobody loves this guy in france. they may not love him here but he thinks he's going to be
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better off in belgium for as long as he can stay here than he will be in paris. when you wander around this neighborhood what you see is a very mixed neighborhood. it's a little bit moroccan. it's a little transitional neighborhood about 20 minute walk from here is the bar that abdeslam, that salah abdeslam and his brother bra him abdeslam managed, where they sold here, they sold drinks, they sold hashish. that's why the bar was closed before the paris attack. i asked the grocer across the street what did you think of these guys? he said they were perfectly normal like all the other guys you see on the street around here. this is a place where there's a lot of unemployment and a lot of hash dealing. it's not the kind of place where you expect to see people who go and blow themselves up in paris, people who are on the lam for four months and finally shot in the leg and dragged out of the building in back of me. >> so in terms of the ability to see this contradiction between
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young jihadists who own a bar and sell hashish but at the same time being part of the islamic state so-called terrorist network in europe, how do the folks there reconcile that in terms of what their own beliefs, and then at the same time seeing that these guys carried out this heinous terrorist attack. >> well, i don't think that they actually feel it has very much to do with their own beliefs. the people here, there are a lot of muslims here, quite a few sal if is in the neighborhood, but they are not violent people and i think for the most part certainly they're not violent people. and even if you go to the little cafe that's directly across the street from this building where a little girl and her mother were holed up during the whole shoot-out, watching it happen, what do you see? they've got flyers they're distributing talking about moderate islam. islam that's integrated into europe. these are people who believe that that can be done, that will be done, and that's the way they live their lives. so they see these guys as anom lists. but they also know when you've got a lot of guys stantzing around on the street with nothing to do, looking for adventure, looking to make
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something of their lives, some of them are going to be seduced by the ideology that says you can be a hero to islam, you can be a great guy. apparently that's what brahim thought when he blew himself up at the cafe voluntary in paris. but at the end of the day, salah was not convinced and he chickened out. >> christopher dickey, thank you very much. we'll leave it there. we'll be touching base with you as well later on in the day. i want to bring in malcolm nantz author of the new book defighting isis. moll come, let's talk a little bit about that point christopher dickey was bringing up. this kind of contradiction in lifestyles, if you will. on one hand as he was reporting there brahim and salah abdeslam owned a bar, sold hashish. things that are very un-islamic when you think about it, but they had his secret life as would-be jihadists. how do you reconcile that or explain that to somebody not familiar with that dynamic? >> we've actually seen this before.
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you might recall that some of the 9/11 hijackers in the united states were seen going to strip clubs, were supposedly hanging out in places with alcohol. it's quite possible that they were actually using these locations as a base of operations, and giving themselves sort of trade craft, intelligence trade craft, where it would appear -- you would appear to be one thing but you could operate secretly as another. also it's possible that ibrahim, and his brother also were adhering to the isis ideology that they need to do whatever they're doing to gain funds, and then corrupt the people of europe in order to expose their weaknesses, and make money off them any way they can. we see isis actually doing that through the sale of antiquities and drugs and other things from syria to turkey. it's quite possible this was part of their plan. >> do you think since these attacks back in november isis' capabilities have changed at all? do you think they are today
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capable of carrying something like this out again or do you think europe is better prepared? i know that we spend a lot of time saying that the arrest of this guy was a success for european counterterrorism and intelligence officials. there's also the flip side that they were able to carry out this attack, a heinous attack but he also managed to evade capture for four months. >> you're absolutely right. europe is having great success in what we call counterterrorism. which is carrying out operations after a terrorist attack has been successful. where they need to place more emphasis on anti-terrorism. which is the intelligence capacity to defect and break attacks, before they actually occur, they are shifting to that right now on the basis and strength of all the intelligence that they gained from the paris attacks. the cell phones, the connections, however isis appears to have declared -- i mean appears not to have declared but actually have in place what we would call one of their provinces. this would be the province of europe. they've arrested over 18 people in six different countries.
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over the last four months. who are directly connected to the logistics and support pipeline of the paris attacks. and there will only be more personnel found over time. the question is, is isis going to dedicate even more resources to infiltrate into europe and carry out more attacks. and if they're going to that means they're going to have to accelerate their timetable and make these attacks quickly. >> in your book you talk about obviously defeating isis. when you look at the presidential politics in this country, the rhetoric that's coming out, is that kind of rhetoric that is sometimes described as islam phobic or anti-muslim is that a source of recruitment for isis? does that strengthen it? or does that help in actually trying to defeat the organization? >> it is a strength for isis. this ideology is the exact same ideology osama bin laden formed as the basis of al qaeda just on steroids. they want to provoke a clash of
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civilizations between the west and what they view as their variant of islam. and if that means they have to eliminate islam to do it, they will do it. what helps them is when we characterize the 1.6 billion muslims who have nothing to do with isis ideology as being equivalent to that. so this rhetoric is actually dangerous, because we have western soldiers, intelligence officers, diplomats in the field, who are out to support the muslim world in eliminating this threat. so, as we we hear this rhetoric, they are just giving direct, almost direct support to isis' ideology and it also creates the inflammation that throws the person who didn't want to be involved off the fence, and makes them join a terrorist group. so we need to stop it. >> all right, malcolm nance always a pleasure to talk to you. live for us in philadelphia. up next, is donald trump the new barry goldwater? we'll answer the question straight ahead. e fast. and to help you accelerate, we've created a new company. one totally focused on what's next for your business.
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donald trump is the favorite to win arizona's republican primary on tuesday. with a significant lead in the polls over his opponents. trump's populism, blunt language, and fraught relationship with the party establishment has some drawing comparisons to barry goldwater. the late republican senator from arizona who ran against president lyndon johnson back in 1964. so to help us make sense of that comparison is msnbc's tony decop until scottsdale, arizona. is there a valid comparison to be made between donald trump and barry goldwater? is he the new goldwater? >> hey, ayman. historians say he is. historians say he's the original angry outsider candidate. a man who used fear and racial conflict to win the 1964 nomination. in these rooms at the camelback inn goldwater spend election night, and addressed the press following his loss to lbj. this is a beautiful, historic
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inn. 50 years ago goldwater was here. and this room behind me was gold water's campaign office for much of that '64 campaign. the connection about these comparisons goldwater and trump, people are making them because both candidates have garnered support from white supremacists. both had rallies where minority voters, particularly black voters, have been beaten up. and both are heavily opposed by the gop establishment. what's really interesting is here in goldwater country the people who knew him best say he's a misremembered man and these comparisons between donald trump and goldwater have no place. i talked to his widow susan goldwater and this is what she had to say. barry would go absolutely crazy if he were watching this today. he would be yelling at the television. he would think it's embarrassing the situation we have with donald trump. it's not the republican party or the country that we knew 25 or 30 yearsation. i also cat up with barry goldwater jr. the late senator's son and he said i don't think there is any comparison at all with barry goldwater. donald trump is an authoritarian. barry goldwater had principles.
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he is a gentleman. donald trump is a cowboy. that's barry goldwater jr. interestingly enough the widow and barry goldwater jr. are voting for other candidates, not republican. susan's going to vote for hillary clinton and barry jr. is going with rand paul. back to you. >> all right. thank you, nbc's tony dokoupil in arizona with that interesting comparison. up next the candidates' plans to defeat isis. what does it look ? is it becoming a better professor by being a more adventurous student? is it one day giving your daughter the opportunity she deserves? is it finally witnessing all the artistic wonders of the natural world? whatever your definition of success is, helping you pursue it, is ours. t-i-a-a.
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this is not some random ill-defined violent extremism. this evil, radical islamic terrorism, needs to be called out for what it is. and it needs to be defeated. >> what's going on there right now is a war for the soul of islam. and the people who have got the most effectively deal with that
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issue are the muslim nations themselves. they are the ones on the grund who are going to have to destroy isis. i agree with that. >> we ought to be supporting them. not only with special forces and air strikes against terrorists but helping them secure their borders and deal with some of the internal challenges they face. >> you ready for a commander in chief who will let our war yours do their job and kick issis ass. >> a capture in brussels this week, isis and the threat of international terror has not been a major focal point in the 2016 election. still, whoever gives that final victory speech in november will have to be prepared to address the terror threat on day one in the oval office. who might really be prepared to do the job? joining me once again, fernand amandi, wiod in florida. john carlo, republican strategist, and cirn skinner,
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from the institute of politics and strategy. thank you for joining the show. are you surprised at all that so far many of the gop candidates haven really given too many details, a, about their foreign policy platforms or their foreign policy teams? and how they plan on taking on some of the big issues like isis? >> i'm surprised and i'm not. i'm surprised in the sense that the issues facing the united states globally and the west such as what's just happened in paris underscore the fact that there are multiple threats, especially in the broader middle east, but other parts of the world as well. that need to be discussed and the american public needs to understand what the candidates think before deciding who to vote for. on the other side, it's not necessarily, i think, in the candidates' interest right now to talk about those deep foreign policy challenges because the media is not forcing them to answer hard questions.
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and i hope in this next phase of the campaign, there will be a greater focus on exactly what the candidates plan. it's not just the republicans. if you listen to the clip that you just played, the democrats as well are deeply vague in what they think about foreign policy. everyone agrees that islamism is a threat. that isis in particular must be destroyed, but no one is saying much more than that. and i don't think the american public can select a presidential candidate who will spend billions of dollars in defense spending without an understanding of how that person knits together the global threats. >> fernand, let me ask you, last week, ted cruz, marco rubio, and more than a dozen other snares introduced a resolution to demand that captured isis fighters be transferred to guantanamo bay, this as the president is trying to shut down
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kwguantanamo bay. do you think that's problematic to bring more isis fighters to guantanamo bay? >> guantanamo bay has becoming a symbol around the world of the problems in the eyes of isis and a lot of others. a recruiting tool for isis. you have this in essence, unfunded, unaccountable area where you have prisoners. what you're trying to see is a different approach and the president taking that off the table and that's no longer pointed to as a stain on american jurisprudence. hillary clinton has talked about the talk of smart power, the president has talked about the use of smart power. isis is not a nation state. you can't invade isis. you have to do it through intelligence operations. as long as it can continue to be contained outside of the united states, you're going to look for those solutions to dealing with isis going forward. >> as a republican strategist, i want to get your opinion about ted cruz's foreign policy team. there's been criticism about some of the individuals on the
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team, one of them described as america's most notorious islamophobe, and we heard that some say that kind of rhetoric in presidential politics contributed to isis' recruitm t recruitment. what do you make of that? >> if we learned one thing in the election cycle, the voters have no patience for the deep plan on how you're going to address any issue. i agree with what kiron said in that you have to project strength. you have to project the illusion you have a plan and you know what you're going to do, but the voters thus far have not awarded any candidates who has decided to delve deeply into the substance of how to tackle any challenge, even one like the ila ilauzest threat america faces. ted cruz has points for announcing his team, announcing the outlines of a plan. i'm not sure it's going to resonate with the electorate in this cycle. >> kiron, thursday, john kerry declared crimes committed by isis in iraq and syria as
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genocide. how could that designation change america's approach to defeating isis? does it have any legal obligations for the united states to compel the united states into any further action to try to defeat isis? >> well, it's a moral statement. and it definitely should compel the united states at the moral and political level to do more. and i think it was important to finally acknowledge the genocidal nature of isis. i think we ought to also put the candidates to the test in their views about once we make that designation, how would you translate that into foreign policy? but let me just go back to what one of the panelists said. and i agree. it appears that the public does not want a 40-point plan on foreign policy. but i don't believe that it's necessarily the case. i think that we've allowed the candidates to stay away from making comprehensive statements about foreign policy, and when they move in that direction, we often ignore what they're
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actually saying. for example, ted cruz spoke very authoritatively at the heritage foundation. i don't know how much that speech got attention a few months ago. >> we're going to have to leave it at that. thank you. well, that's the end of our show. thanks to you at home for watching. i'll be back at 11:00 a.m. up next, joy reid will pick up coverage from washington, d.c. the flu virus hits big.
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