tv Hardball With Chris Matthews MSNBC March 22, 2016 4:00pm-5:01pm PDT
good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. we're continuing to follow breaking news from brussels, where earlier this morning, a series of bombing at the airport, and in the subway system, killed 31 people and injured nearly 200 more. the first two blasts hit the departure hall of brussels main airport around 8:00 a.m. local time or 3:00 a.m. eastern time here. another explosion went off about an hour later near a metro station near the european union. the authorities released this photo a short time before the airport blast. they are pushing luggage carts,
as you see. belgium authorities say possible suicide bombing. the third man in the light colored coat to the right is thought to still be at large. police conducted raids throughout the city today. one house, they found an explosive device packed with nails and an isis flag. isis claimed responsibility for today's attack. belgian's prime minister said this is a dark moment for the country, and president of france said we are at war. we begin tonight with nbc's bill neely in brussels. so i guess we all, those of us who have been busy at work doing other things and not watching the news, need to know the news. what are the facts about today's terrible attack? >> reporter: yeah, chris. well, brussels is in shock tonight, after two absolutely horrific attacks. one underground. it began around 8:00 this
morning at the main international airport in brussels. at least 11 people were killed. in the first of those explosions, just minutes later, rushing towards the exits, near a starbucks shop, another explosion. police say three men were involved. in that photograph that you mentioned, they are seen wheeling luggagetsith suitcasesn top. now, ver latest news, just within the last hour, is belgian tv is reporting a cab driver told police that he picked up these three men. he took them to the airport. they had great difficulty getting their heavy bags out of his car. after the explosions, he went to police and he led police to a house in brussels, where those explosive residues and bomb making material were found, that you mentioned. but look, chris, this is an intelligence failure, first and
foremost. first of all, the airport explosions, and then horrifyi horrifyingly, more people killed underground, in a metro car. an intelligence and police failure. the big questions now are how big was this terror cell. how many people exactly are on the lose. is this the last act of the terror cell that bombed paris. whh salah abdeslam was volved. it is jus four days since he was arrested . police were jublent. they were worried there may be some kickback, maybe a attack, but nothing on this scale. so was it the las act of salah abdeslam cell, or the first act of a new terror cell that clearly the brussels police and intelligence services knew nothing about. >> i'm having problems with the sound for bill ely.
>> i j bco n and author "defeating isis." malcolm, tell about this, and at it says, when you say, when bill sd an intelnce ile, what does it mean here? >> in this case, clearly, a failure of belgian and frenc rrying out a massivehunt ever s the paris raids. they've raided hdrf houses. afe houses, but still didn't get to ts where they could disable the entirewo in order for that network to fail atryt thei ied th attack out ccsfly a as far as we're concerned, you reached the point of failure. point, they're going to hav to refocus, restarnd tn reengage back to determine whether are any more plots
out there. >> chris, i would be cautious about using the word failure when we're talking about the work of the police authorities have cut out on this. i think it's about the application of resources and manpower. like most things in this borld, everything comes back to money. if you look at what is going on in iraq and syria in terms of air strikes at the moment, the u.s. led coalitions spend over $11 million a day, $6 billion since 2014 on air strikes. we have to have a really serious conversation about we're applying the manpower and resources. over 5,000 jihadists that have come from europe from syria and back again. we need to understand where we need to apply the resources for signals intelligence, human intelligence, imaginary, on top of that the e.u., last december, signed accord with turkey to prevent the migration flows
coming from turkey. they offered turkey $3 billion, and also offered to open the conversation about turkey being exceeded into the european block. that means 18 million turks. this is a circular approach. i don't think we should put all the blame on intelligence. >> malcolm, let's go back to the basics. if you have all kinds of people in europe as well as here today, and they're all free to move about the various countries of europe, they're united that way, wide open. and of course, it's not a police state. we don't have police states in europe generally now. a person gets into a cab carrying explosives. who in the world would stop that person from getting to an airport, all the way to security, the security chec at that point, you are checked. but if this happened tomorrow morning, what would stop it? the same exact thing, what would
stop it. >> nothing if you're talking about physically stopping someone who has the capable teef bringing a bomb, a weapon system and driving it to an airport. to michael's point, intelligence is forward. we try to stop these plots by gaining information at their point of origin, and theng to follow it back with communication nets, human intelligence nets, by working our agents and operatives and trying to gain the information so we stop it before we have reached the term of art, which we call point of failure. >> yes. >> we have a network of information that did not lead to that bomb attack. that is called an absence of intelligence, you know. but it still is to a certain extent, an intelligence failure. i've worked in the process for over 30 years. when the enemy gets there and adaptive and overcomes your ability to stop him, well, then you have reached the point of failure. at this point you have to regroup. this is just one punch in a
series of blows that are being levied on europe. we have no earthly idea, or we'll find out in the next few days, whether this was one isolated cell that was compartmented away from salah abdeslam and the paris attackers or whether we're talking about a constellation of cells who are all operating indepenntly out there, h ality to brg punishment down on europe. , go back to michael, i could go back and forth on this. it seems easy, highly sophisticated. what is so sophisticated about people blowing up open spaces. these are easily penetrated spaces, you walk into an airport, nobody checks you as far as i know, most countries overwhelmingly, i travel constantly, you walk into an airport, before you to have to show security badge or passport or anything, you're there, in the same with the subway system. why is this -- why are these called sophisticated attacks,
when they look like they could be done by amateurs. >> terrorism has been around for centuries, chris. globalization is effectively everything becoming more interconnected and the way that the islamic state transcends its boundaries. for example, social media, the applications, what is up, telegram. they're encrypted. a lot of the islamic states talk to each other. that's something that the west have to learn to understand how to decode. i think it's really important, when malcolm is talking about the intelligence piece and i have a lot of respect and admiration for his background, but intelligence is broken up into a number of areas when it comes down to intelligence. we can collect heaps of intelligence, because it's the processing and simulation of intelligence that takes eyes, manpower to go over the mir i
didn't do -- myriad of data that might give the game away. i go back to being a resource manpower problem, and along with the globalization piece, holistic approach. so we must, we must understand that the application of military hardware will not solve this problem. listic approach and look at how the recruitment pipelines work, you know, the north africa we never talk about. we don't talk about, you know, back ra hiram, just the other week, there was an attack. you know, the whole thing needs a holistic approach. the islamic -- part of the effect it is going into europe is because of libya, effectively there was a reigime change.
it needs a multifaceted and layered analysis. not just about military application. >> thank you, michael and malcolm. any way, nbc news tom costello has been following the story at home. the investigation that's underway all day today, tom, i've been watching you. i guesses the average american has a sim pi question. should we be afraid today, tomorrow, the next day? >> reporter: u.s. airports, the short answer is no, no more so than you were kbred. the tsa has been in a forward leaning posture. they collaborate as you know with the local police, state police, and with homeland security. homeland security tonight is coming out saying that they are going to add some nuanced improvements or upgrades, much ofwon't wwe won't see, we saw i already today in miami for example, at newark airport, we
saw it out west, at l.a. that's likely to continue. and it will be up to individual airports to deploy those resources as they see fit. in addition, incoming passengers coming from belgium, they will have the passports screened maybe more closely than usual as they continue to watch for anybody who might be on the terror watch list. as for brussels itself, the u.s. government in brussels, the embassy is asking any u.s. government employee to delay travel for at least a week until the 29th. the airport is a mess, and not operative at the moment. you've got this major tactical operation underway, and it's simply in the view of many u.s. authorities simply not safe in many places right now. so that's ongoing. u.s. airlines, to fly into brussels, thursday seems unlikely, friday would be the earliest, but nobody is committing to that. when there is talk about the
airports here in the united states, chris, the talk is always where is the weak point. the truth is, at an airport like this that is open and in which people come and go everyday all day, it is going to be vulnerable. pick your airport any where in the country, it is going to be vulnerable. but it is more vulnerable between the parking garage and the tsa checkpoint because you've not gone through security. it is entirely possible somebody might breng a weapon or bomb in. how do you get around it? most security experts i've talked to say it's usually a matter of heightening the police presence or military presence. we're not talking about a cop on a moped kind of thing. we're talking about significant armed tactical units roaming the airports that can be enough of a deter enter, and it has to be constant. how you put it in place in europe, you may have to call out the military in many countries, chris. >> tom, before and after, after
the fact, we know three guys walking through the airport this morning in belgium, three of them, brussels, two of the three, looking at it right now they had these gloves on their right hand. had that happened in real time, if this happens this afternoon at reagan, or at dulles airport works anybody stop these three guys and say stop, you're suspicious? would anybody do? >> i don't think so. if you're honest about it, highly unlikely. now listen, homeland security, tsa will say there are many things you don't see. undercover officers, behavior detection officers, canines, canines that not only will specifically sniff your bag, but canines that are walk the terminal, trying to pick up the wafe in the air, does anything come across the nostrils, incredibly sensitive senses on these dogs. it's entirely possible that somebody could have carried out the same scenario here in the
united states. that's just the way it is. listen, i used to live in brussels. i've been to that airport many times. my wife and kids are belgian and i can tell you that i have seen police dogs in the brussels airport. i've seen the military police, the national police, or always in the airport. that wasn't enough of a deter rent for this particular day in brussels. >> i've seen, i've been traveling, just the other day, i kind of remember, i was watching the dogs sniffing passengers as they waited in line. it may have been a tsa or the regular line. would that have stopped these guy? would those dogs have been able to pick up the scent of the explosives they were push ago long in the carts? >> even if they had picked up the scent, if it is true that these guys had the detonate tore in their hand inside that gloved hand all they had to do is push the button, right.
you're still not solving the problem. if you're going to have, listen, in my view, having covered the tsa and homeland security for the better part of 10 or 11 years, you know, you're constantly fighting the odds, right. you try to stack the odds in your favor, but they only have to be lucky one time. they have to get through once. we've been lucky in this country, but we've had as you know some very serious plots. the shoe bomber plot, atlantic ocean that were supposed to go off on airliners. the underwear bomber, the printer cartridge bomber. terror network for the better part for 15 years, even longer if you go back before 9/11 and they seem very determined. >> some people are out there protecting them, too. thank you so much, tom. i'm joined by polititara fr politico in brussels. we don't have perspective, what
we haven't been covering in the news, in terms of the attack today. >> well, the actual e.u. area, which is the capital of europe essentially, is extremely quiet. eerily quiet. people will not be going to work tomorrow. it's been very strange. it's like being under lockdown. and you know, we've been hearing explosions. i was at the airport this morning. i felt one of the third explosions going off when they detonated the last suicide belt that wasn't used. it's just been a really hard time in brussels over the past four months. we've gone through multiple periods of time under the highest level of security threat. i moved here from new york about a year ago, and it's been on and off high insecurity, lockdowns, and fears of imminent attacks. i was actually optimistic last
week when i heard they captured salah abdeslam, that they were getting good intel from him, that the last player in the major paris attack ring was caught and we might be safer than we were before, but it seems that's not the case. >> what do you make as an american reporter over there covering that country of belgium, the fact that they have a neighborhood, molenbeek, a homeland for terrorism. how do you explain it within a modern european country? >> it's really difficult, because they have privacy laws that we don't have. they can't do raids after 5:00 p.m. in 120 days since the a ta, they only did 120 raids on homes. they're just, they don't have the same intelligence capabilities that we have. before the taxes, they were
spending 50 million euros on counter intelligence. this was not a priority for the belgians before this, even though obviously, there were jihadists growing in the backyard. also a problem of integration in the neighborhoods. very segregated from the rest of the belgian community, and they're having a hard time integrating, second generation, second generation, people coming from north africa, midwest east and unable to become belgian, the way that americans come that they feel they're american when they i they immigrate. >> whose fault? the belgian nationals, or is it the people coming who don't want to integrate themselves? >> i think it's a whole combination. i mean, you have really interesting ecosystem in belgium, where you have flemish people, and they don't get along with each other, they don't speak the same language. they share a government, but
barely speak to each other. one will speak in french and the other in dutch. then you have these, yeah then you have these neighborhoods that each have their own nmayor, own police departments, 18, so segregated. communities outside of belgium, you have the french and u.k., united states, very reluctant to share information with belgian security officials because they know it tends to leak because of the bad communication of the people there. i've been told that they feel it will leak out because it spreads down to the local police level in the attempt to try to navigate potential threats. >> i love your reporting. i learn a lot in a few minutes. thank you, tara, who is in brussels. up next, homeland security committee o committee, peter king, we know he'll be here. our coverage will continue after this.
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welcome back to our continuing coverage of the attack in belgium this morning. nbc news pete williams is with us now. pete, we're focused of course of the nightly news on the photo of the three men walking through the belgian airport this morning in brussels, and the two with the gloves. left hand gloves. >> reporter: well, nobody knows for sure, some of the supposition has been that maybe under the gloves, which they're only wearing on one hand, you see that right above where it says breaking news there, you see the left hand glove, but not the right hand. and that's the middle picture. not the guy on the right. one possibility is that they were wearing the gloves to conceal a detonator, but frankly, conflicting reports on whether these two in fact did
set the suitcase bombs off. that's what we believe they were, themselves, right there, with the butt to on in their har walk away. that isn't clear at this point. but one thing that is interesting today is that isis had initially put out a statement saying that the attacks in brussels were people with suicide belts, but authorities seem to believe that the, at least the bombs in the airport were concealed in suitcases, and they found an additional device in a suitcase, that didn't go off. they were able to basically disable later. not clear exactly at this point to me any way what the device was on the subway train, which of course, as you know, was actually produced more deaths. >> yes, 20 dead, yeah, it's horrible. thank you pete williams, as always. as voters go to the polls tonight, talks of the attacks in brussels are dominating the campaign talk. senator ted cruz called for patrols of muslim neighborhoods,
that proposal was slammed by john kasich, as well as democratic bernie sanders. meanwhile, donald trump reaffirmed his commitment to impose a travel ban on muslims entering the country. trump boasted that his response to terror was the one reason he was leading, he tweeted, i am proven to be far more correct than terrorism about anybody, and it's not even close. hopefully arizona and utah will be voting for me today. on fox news, trump said his call for a muslim ban from this country was helping him politically. >> this is what i've been saying for a long time and i guess it's at least a small part of the reason why i'm the number one front-runner, i mean, people are very concerned about this, and they're very concerned about the security of this country. >> well, u.s. congress man peter king from new york, jonathan, an opinion writer with the "washington post." congressman king, thanks for coming on tonight.
another horrendous swa rerendou. whenever there is danger, you might move to the right, the more nationg the horror of the >> it's tough to talk politics on a day like this, but just accepting that fact, listen, part of what -- i'm not supporting donald trump. and what he says overall, strikes a cord with some people. but for instance, when he says to ban all muslims from coming into the united states, listen, think we do have to increase vetting for muslims or anyone coming from certain countries where there a strong isis presence, jordanians, egyptians in the middle east and to ban all, because they're muslims, would make no sense. i think we should be strict and look at it carefully and realize there is more of a threat from
those countries. so that's just a reality. but as far as, you know, what he is saying, i think he is going to resonate, i'm not trying to make it over political here, but president obama never has a strong response. he seems to be a day late on these. going back to france, back in november. the attacks in paris. he didn't seem to have that type of energy that he shows on other issues. today, to spend i think 51 seconds in cuba, and then staying for a baseball game, it doesn't show the same energy. that's why trump is able to take advantage of it. what donald trump could cause more trouble. i do believe, for instance, ted cruz should be more police in some neighborhoods. we do need surveillance in heavy muslim communities, because that's where the terror threat is going to come from. just when they were going after the mafia, more in the italian
neighborhoods. patrols going up and down the street, it's a question of good police work as opposed to -- >> i agree with you. i think one thing intelligence, smart intelligence, who the bad guys are. >> sure. >> but the idea of roaming up and down with the police cars or tank cars, they're going to keep their secrets tighter. >> if you want help from the muslim community, no matter what country you're in, the one way you're going to guarantee you don't get any help is by alienating them. by saying because a few bad apples have done something truly horrific, we're going to broad brush all of you. what donald trump said in the clip that you just played and what he has been saying on the campaign trail now for months, does exactly that. there is no, i think secretary clinton said in -- >> you know american politics. >> of course i know american politics. >> compare donald trump doing his usual thing. i thought it was untoward to talk about winning utah and arizona, because of a bombing. but roughly, what he said.
let's talk about president obama's behavior today. i grew up in a big city, philadelphia, which i'm proud to always say. and peter, congressman king understands, this when there a big fire, you want to see the mayor watching it on. you want to see the fire chief, police chief, you wants to see them standing on the curb. you do want to hear they phoned it. the president was off base today. he wasn't there. what could very done taking a minute away from a baseball game. >> you know what, chris, i would agree with your angalogy, if it happened in the united states. >> he should have come home. >> i agree would you. >> agree with what? >> that the president should be back home in the united states standing with the american people. about what we're talking about here is a terrorist attack that has happened not in the united states, in belgium, and that the president is doing what dona
donald -- look, donald trump has nothing to do but run for president. barack obama is the president of the united states. >> let me go back to congressman king. do you think donald trump on balance is good for ending the war from isis and the islamic terrorists, could be 13 years old, throwing a bomb at us, they're not born terrorists, they decide to be terrorists is what he says helpful, or is he encouraging it, and heating it up by his rhetoric. >> yeah, i would say the rhetoric goes too far. i do think we need more surveillance in the muslim community. that's not alienating them. that's common sense. that's not saying all muslims are involved. 99% aren't. there hasn't been enough cooperation, even in this country, and we do need more surveillance. as far as the president, i would disagree with jonathan, this was an attack against western
civilization, just like new york was attacked, we're all new yorkers now, tony blair came to the united states. we are one. we should be one in a fight against this islamic terrorist threat. when belgium is attacked, pair requi paris attacked, we're all being attacked. i think the president should have done more to show solidarity it belgium and with western europe against really against western civilization. >> chris, here's the thing. common refrain is the president needs to do more, the president wasn't -- >> i don't think that's true. this time, i don't think it's fair. first of all, i say -- the american people have responded to what happened in paris, more than we could have ever believed. it hit home, congressman king is dead right. that hit home in this country. it surprised me, because we're pretty american about most things. we don't focus on europe.
for some reason, we have decided that that country, we like to vi to visit before we retire, if not belgium, certainly france. we feel some kinship there. >> not denying the kinship. >> i know what politics is about. >> it's doing the right thing. >> but it also it seems to be republicans. iow. >>stantl kick the president r not dng something that they t >> thereht another sin there too, to dendimn evthout. just athout. thank you, mr. king, thanks for coming on. back live to brussels on this investigation, which is red hot over there. our coverage of theerror attacks in belgiumtinue ter this. we believe tomw starts day. all across the state, the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and new infrastructure for a new generation
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the american people are with the people of belgium. we stand in solidarity with them in condemning these outrageous attacks against innocent people. we will do whatever it necessary to support our friend and ally, belgium, in bringing to justice thoseho are reonsible. and this is yet another reminder that the world mt unite. we must be together. regardless of nationality, or race or faith, in fighting against the scourge of terrorism. >> welcome back to hardball. that was president obama making remarks, his remarks on the belgian attacks today while on his trip to cuba. the president, national security advisor were briefed today, the white house sa u.s. intelligence and law enforcement are coordinating with the european counterparts as it intensifie
intensifies. joining me now is brian heath, political europe, and former obama press secretary, shawn turner. let me go to the guy oversees first. brian, what do you know about u.s. cooperation in this effort to find out how this happened, how this could have happened? >> reporter: so the u.s. have of course been cooperating, but i ink the simple matter is that the belgian security services haven't been invested in and they aren't as trusted as they could be by some of their other counterparts. what the belgians have done is pu in ramp up since november, but clearly enough language skills, a lack of trust with the french and others, presume below including the united states, to make sure intelligence is really being shared at the highest level possible. and what we're seeing is that after years of not keeping on top of the game, the belgians weren't able to same quick enough since the paris attacks
to get in front of this one, and belgians are paying therice for that today. >> is that why the terrorists are going to live in belgium, and why we see so much terrorism there? >> it really is a weak link. now, of course, there a wider problem in the continent of europe, which is they set up a fantastic travel zone, but didn't do enough to secure the border around the zone. we're seeing those connensequen now. it has become a haven for gun and drug running. people to blend in if they're from somewhere else. brussels is the mt c cosmopolitan, more of the ghetto districts. >> notoriously, thank you, ryan. shawn, what is the united
states going to do about this? there must be a reaction? >> i think the first thing is take a look at the strategy that we have against isil. we've got nearly 60 countries fighting against this coalition, but what we really need do is look at the strategy and assess what we're doing right, figure out what we're doing wrong and ta a hook at whether or not there are different things we need to do. >> break it down, two or three guys, maybe the third was too. going through a big airport. with this glove on. >> yeah. >> the cab driver noticed that they had a luggage so heavy they could barely get it out of the trunk. is that enough evidence to say i saw something, iu something, say something, would that have stopped it? >> you know, unfortunately, i don't thinit would have stopped it at that point. we've got to have tse conversations about what looks suspicious. >> i didn't know about the glove thing. >> yeah, i don't think anyone di i think we have to take a look at what looks out of place, and we have to embrace this idea
that if someone approaches us because something looks out of place or calls us out because it's out of place, there is a greater good that people are trying to accomplish here. >> ie witnessed the dogs coming back from arizona. i don't know if it was out of the ordinary or not. you have to get used a lot of ings tse days in 2016. ryan heath, please come back, shawn, i'm sure you will. more ahead in brussels. what it means for the war here against isis. the politics here at home is not unrelated, thanks to trump. this is msnbc live coverage of the terror attacks in belgium this morning. back with more, after this. ♪ if you he derate to severe plaque psoriasis isn't it time to let the real you shine through? introducing otezla, apremilast. otezla is not an injection, or a cream.
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we're looking now at terrifying scenes earlier today as people running out of the airport in brussels after this morning's deadly attack, trying to get out of there. look at that. welcome back to our live coverage of the deadly terror attacks in belgium this morning. i'm joined by analyst evan coleman. we know him well and trust him well, as well as joby with the washington boast. this new chapter, today is a chapter, an episode, in the history of isis' war against the west. how does it fit? >> of course, everybody thought it was concentrated on the caliphate, we've seen this, a pattern here, and that's isis trying fro ject power. they want people to be afraid of them this europe. they want to galvanize. >> how does it work? >> it's great for them, because
it create as i backlash. you get the statements like donald trump. >> they want that. >> it makes -- here is a two divides. you can be on our side or the western side. they're hopeling the west will push them over to the other side. >> the old pattern of the revolutionary or here of creates a terrorist situation, the authorities repress, anger the people they join the rebels. >> counter intuitive, exactly what they want. >> it was once counter intuitive. we're learning. let me go to evan. the larger political effect, how do you see it as it fits into the -- you know, we keep looking at maps of isis and what they own over there in iraq and syria. it doesn't impress us as a growth operation. it's holding and they haven't been doing beheadings in public, how does that fit into that situation? >> well, look, i think it's fair to say progress at least in
syria and eye roirakq. the paris attacks, they weren't syrian or iraqi, they were french nationals. and they had very personal reasons for going to syria to begin with to join isis. no doubt these individuals were very foolish and very stupid, but something drove them. and particularly, people from belgium and france, i mean, more, higher percentage of belgians than french nationals, and that's a tiny, tiny country. there has to be an answer for why that is the case. that's part of it. what is driving young european newsi muslims to go to syria for answers. isis does not have the answers. there must be something driving them. i think it's important, as much as it's important to shut them down, and to shut isis training camps down and to remove that as a magnet for these people, it's
also important to understand what is drawings them to this magnet to begin be. most people who look at isis don't think that's for me. what makes these people think that that's something they want. unfortunately, i think some of the answers have more to do with belgium and france than they necessarily do with syria and iraq. if isis couldn't recruit large numbers of belgian and french nationals, this probably wouldn't be happening. >> yeah, well, chicken and egg problem, because you don't know if people went to this part of molenbeek, it is safe to live there if you're a terrorist. >> it's possible, but also important to understand that belgian society in particular is very segregated. >> yeah. >> you sccannot have a situatio where you take in immigrants and don't integrate them. >> why do they take them in? what's the purpose? why don't they bar them at the
door with the purpose of ghettoizing them. policy makes no sense. >> this is a very important question we should be asking the belgians. you can't do that, and then have no surveillance or no oversight whatsoever. you're asking for problems. the truth is that the belgians have had an attitude, not their own, the british had it as well. we'll let jihadists live here as long as they're not targeting here. as long as they're targeting other people, it's not the end of the world the british learned their lesson after the 2005 terror attacks, all the people they allowed to live in dlolond they kicked them all out. it's also fair to say if you look at the police work that has been done since november, there is no doubt they put a lot of hard work and a lot of long hours in, but you have to ask about the efficacy of those hours. if you have a guy arrested in
the home of a close family friend, four and a half months after he is declared the most wanted man in europe, and this location is in the middle after sun down at night. that seems to be very pro-bad guy to me. it seems that's one way to keep away, just wait till dark and you're safe. thank you so much for the post. the washington post. our coverage of the terror attacks in belgium will continue after this.
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general, thank you. you have expertise i don't know anything about. when you look at this whole picture of what seems to be the future in europe, the continuation of these bombings or nightclubs or subways or airport terminals. this is something they want to do to us in the west, and they're doing it. they're doing it and nobody stopped it. >> yeah. i've lived in europe probably nine years, paris, brussels, belgium, germany. brussels a delightful city. the people, food, international cosmopolitan. at the end of the day, i think evan has the biggest point to make which is unassimilated muslim europeans by the hundred of thousands who are angry at the state, tens of thousands have gone into syria and iraq and elsewhere to fight and they are returning. poor belgium is an example of an
incoherent government, a fragmented law enforcement and intelligence agency. no external controls to the eu and no internal controls in some of these areas. what do we expect but this kind of backlash in the european union. >> when you go to france, my wife and i five or seven years ago. you get below and there's a neighborhood there. looks like the rest of france, the rest of paris. mostly north africans and arabs wandering around wearing traditional costumes from africa or the middle east. they're all selling perfume packages. that's the whole space. everywhere you see, this is what you're seeing. what is that about? these neighborhoods that seem to be not part of france. they're part of something else. i would call it an informal
economy, to put it lightly. what is that all about? >> we shouldn't be too self-congratulatory. >> i'm not. i'm concerned. >> we have these giant populations of foreigners who live among us. they get jobs. their kids go to school. they obey the law. they do all the construction. it's quite different in europe. these are insular societies in many ways. it's hard for poor, they'll have to deal with a million foreigners who don't speak german and don't have employment records. chris, it's hard to see how this will come out well. at the end of the day people keep talking about we're going to get controls on the eu borders. it takes years to build law enforcement institutions and the infrastructure that check trains and planes and automobiles
coming across frontiers. thiez are open societies. they'll have so sort it out and it will be painful for the next several years. >> i keep thinking about the three young men, they seem like young guys, 20s, early 30s at the latest. this morning in realtime on this planet got into a cab, take us to the airport in brussels. go to the airport and they have to lug out these big suitcases and they're heavy. the driver notices they are having a hard time getting them out of trunk. they're on the way to killing themselves. they have gloves on with buttons in them. they know the one thing they know they will accomplish by the end of the morning, they'll be dead. obviously, i would assume, i'm just making a judgment, something to do with religious commitment or belief. commitment is the wrong word. their lives up until the mid-20s and led them to this decision making and maybe they are in contact with a larger organization. they're the ones doing this.
not some big shot at the other end of the phone line. how do you stop young men from wants to do that? they're not knocking off a gas station for 200 bucks like people used to do for a crime reason. they're killing themselves. it's hard to stop that. >> a lot of them are second and third generation french or belgiums. it's not just france and belgium. i've heard that all day long. it's also madrid and london and birmingham and indonesia and italy is facing these problems. many of them don't speak arabic. they haven't been practicing muslims. they are angry. they end up volunteering to learn how to fight and come home and kill their neighbors. watching the discussion of the sophisticated constellations. these are not sophisticated attacks. it's three, four, a dozen, two
dozen people. they're not heavy weapons. they are ak-47s. i put off hundreds of explosive devices that we're trained. we have technology. these people are making it. >> we have to go. thank you as always, sir. i love your expertise and your concern. it's now 1:00 a.m. in belgium. 8:00 p.m. on the east coast. we're continuing to follow the aftermath of today's terrorist bombings. here's what we know. the blast at a brussels airport occurred at 8:00 a.m. local or 3:00 a.m. eastern time in the u.s. there were three suitcase bombs. one which failed to detonate. an hour later another bomb explode fd in the city subway city. it contained nails that pierced the bodies of victims. isis claimed responsibility fo