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good day, i'm andrea mitchell until washington. today, belgium remain at nation's highest threat level. individuals that may be connected with tuesday's attacks are at large and pose a danger to the country. we have updates on the men in the image we've been showing you over past 24 hours. the individual on the right in the light jacket currently on the run. the man on left is still unidentified by belgian official but was investigators can confirm he died in the airport blast. the man at center, ibrahim el bakraoui, killed in the suicide bombing. his brother, khalid, identify as the metro suicide bomber. earlier belgian prosecutors
revealed flu eed new details, s will on a computer retrieve from a garbage bin. >> he declares that he was in a bad situation, sought everywhere. he's no longer safe, and that if he dies with his sword he may end up in a prison cell. >> u.s. intelligence officials tell nbc news they are convinces the terror attacks in brussels were carried out by operatives in the same network as those in the paris attacks including detained terror suspect salah abdeslam. today, many belgian citizens are trying to resume daily lives. we have seen increased security across brussels and tributes across the city to the 331 dead. two missing americans, justin and stephanie schultz, originally from kentucky, currently living in belgium.
they were dropping stephanie's mother aust at the time of the attacks. president obama is holding a joint press conference in argentina. we'll take you there live if he makes any comments live about brussels. joining me live from brussels is nbc's chris jansing. >> reporter: there's been a lot going on over the last couple of hours. let me get you up to date. first, intense manhunt for a third suspect, the interior minister will continue with series of raids even as criticism mounts for whether or not they did everything they could do to prevent this. look, they have a situation here where they knew that they had cells here, they knew from getting salah abdeslam he told them there was planning for yet another series of attacks. and now we have brothers, even brahim, as you said, bakraoui, who was at the airport, who sent essentially what was a will on his computer or a final testament, if you will, saying
he was worried about delaying, that he would end up next to him in a cell, not sure, but officials believe that the him that he's talking about is indeed salah abdeslam, and then his brother, khalid, fingerprints were found in an apartment they were using at a safe house. one of the reasons they're believing the two attacks in paris and brussels are tied together. the aspect you have another set of brothers. just reminder, salah abdeslam's brother died in the paris attacks. you also, of course everybody had brother, tsarnaev brothers in boston. this speaks to how closely these cells work together and the people in them. and the trust that has to develop between them. talking to terror expert who particularly has focused on profiling some of these terrorists says, this is why you have seen this time after time after time and it's the older brother who is the more
influential. that's one of the things that they are looking at. and then there is this huge raid that they did last night, so many explosives. essentially a bomb making factory. all of this essentially playing out in neighborhoods for people here who feel as though it could be anywhere and there's this growing concern about the fact that they have had these series of warnings and nothing has come of it. one more thing. many of us know about tmolen be neighborhood because the terror sell that was responsible for the paris attacks was centered. they have 185 police openings. so questions being raised as well about the level of coordination, the level of support as they continue to be under threat in that manhunt continues. andrea? >> and, chris, what about the borders and the other level of security now? we know that you and others from
our teams traveled in in the last two days without any presence of excessive security on the borders. >> reporter: nothing at all. in fact, of course, we can't get into the airport here, so we flew into amsterdam, came in as we would any other time. there is some increased security. you definitely do see some armed military, particularly at entrances to the subways. i'm standing, by the way, down the street. it's a three-minute walk to the subway stop where 20 of the 31 people who were killed dieded you also see regular police officers who have been standing at entrances to the subways still operating, operating on a limited basis, checking people's bags. but nothing like what we saw after the paris attacks, andrea. remember, the city was in virtual lockdown for four days with incredibly heavy police presence. they're saying here now they want things to get back to normal. many businesses are up and running, not all. we're also very near the
european parliament headquarters. you can probably know this area, andrea, and so quite a few people didn't show up here. having said that, this is a city very much operational and not the security presence, visually, that you might expect, given what happened here just a little bit more than 24 hours ago. >> incredible resilience. thank you so much, chris jansing. here in washington, vice president biden signed the condolence book at belgian embassy and was impressed with the resilience he's seen in brussels. >> they will prevail. you've got to give them, i tell you what, backbones like -- look at them, they're going to school, they're not letting terrorism win and what they want do is change the way we live. you're never going to let that happen. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. thank you. thank you all very much. right now, in argentina, president obama speaking on this. >> by this kind of senseless,
vicious violence. as i told belgian's prime minister yesterday the united states will continue to offer any assistance we can to help investigate these attacks and bring attackers to justice. we will also continue to go after isil, aggressively, until it is removed from syria and removed from iraq and is finally destroyed. the world has to be united against terrorism. and we can and we will defeat those who threaten safety and security not only of our own people but people around the world. that's a top priority of ours. i know president macri shares those beliefs. that's one of the reaps president macri and i agreed to work together to disrupt terrorism, to do more to choke off the terrorists' financing mechanisms in place and keep our people safe when they travel.
u.s. federal agencies will lend their support to argentina's counter terrorism efforts. we're also supportive of president macri's intention to return to argentina's traditional role as significant contributor to peacekeeping missions, including by supporting u.n. efforts to protect vulnerable populationses. the united states is very proud to support this effort through training and equipment. president macri has committed argentina to help address the syrian refugee crisis. i hope that inspires other nations to do the same. i'm very encouraged by his efforts to combat drug trafficking, reduce organized crime, and to make argentina's streets safer. these are all areas where i think we can be very effective partners. the united states and argentina also share a commitment to protecting this planet for our children, our grandchildren, our great-grandchildren. president macri showed me pictures of his wonderful children, including the little one, who i understand was a
facebook sensation, and i can see why. so we want to make sure that she, just like my daughters, and future grandchildren that they've got beauty of an argentina or united states that has not been irreversibly impacted by climate change. president macri support for the paris agreement was critical to its success. his commitment to sign the agreement and pursue its ratification this year will be critical to bringing it into force. argentina has set impressive targets for producing clean energy and plan ambitious target forsz s for reducing carbon emissions. they have experience, since i came into office, tripling the amount of wind and energy from solar power 20 times, and the work that we've done on shale oil and gas, we are confident that we can be effective
partners. and i pledge to president macri that we will provide any technical assistance that he thought would be useful in developing the incredible resources and clean energy strategies that he's interested in pursuing here in argentina. we also share a commitment to global health security. we've agreed to work together on our responses to the zika virus, which is affecting so many. >> we will go back to the president's news conference he returns to the subject of what happened in brussels. here with me now, belgian embassy who is with the vice president this morning at the signing of the condolence call, the condolence message. let me join the vice president and the rest of america in voicing our condolences to you. >> thank you very much. >> your family, friends and nation for what you have experience experienced. >> thank you. >> let me ask about the investigation. what more can you share about what we know about the cell, connections do exist to the
paris attacks. >> yeah. well, in deed, there has been made a lot of progress, we just think that the attacks happened yesterday and today we have already some clarity on some names. you already mentioned both brothers, khalid and ibrahim el bakraoui who have been identified as being both suicide bombers in different places. there are some other names emerging and identifications being made. the investigation, our people, our authorities, to take a statement until and unless 100% sure about what we say. the point is a lot of progress has been made in 24 hours. therefore, we hope that with that progress the network, underlying network will be totally neutralized. >> questions raised about how salah abdeslam been able to hide for months without having been captured previously.
>> it's not quite established whether he was in the neighborhoods for the four months. the people travel, go around and indications we got is that he was in begin, he was in the end, but no clarity exists as to where he was in between those time. >> is it possible that these suicide bombers from yesterday's attacks escaped during the raid on tuesday? why were not more forces sent on tuesday when they went into that apartment? >> as you know, investigators make a lot of house searches and there are two type of house searches. there are ones where you think you will meet not just material but actually people, and those which are routine, 192 have been done just in a couple of days last week where you check and see whether perhaps some stage terrorists have been living there, you find something.
that house, as it is called, was one of the second category which is also the reason why people came in and were surprised to find people out there. and then there was a shooting and indeed -- >> they thought it was an empty apartment because the utility bills had not been paid. you cannot carry special forces for what is standard house search, if i may say so. >> hillary clinton is giving a speech later today at stanford university, and among the things i'm told that she will suggest is that the united states has to do a better job of supporting europe, because europe is on the front line against isis. in our own self-interest, to prevent them from coming here. but also that europe has to stand up. >> yeah. >> for example, she will cite the fact that it is easier for us to get flight manifests because we have demanded that on flights coming in from europe than european countries, members of the eu to get flight manifests from each other. that doesn't make any sense.
>> no, indeed. well, there is room for improvement. but let me start with the basics. the basics are that you have already a strong, good functioning. dialect interact between european countries and the united states, at least i ask speak for belgium and i spoke with the home security secretary yesterday. i can confirm the cooperation between belgium and u.s., you know, intelligence community, security, and so on is working very, very well. >> but what about within europe? the french? >> that's exactly the point -- >> the germans? >> i think there is room for improvement for european cooperation. i can tell you since attacks in paris and now brussels, of course, have reinforced willingness for us to work together with france if a more intense way. we, i can tell you, and i do that with emphasis, we the
belgians were always demanding party for more cooperation. but sometimes resistance came from other side. we are the ones who put euro poll on the spot saying we want to work with you, wharf whatever you need you have but in return we ask additional information as well. resistance, belgium has been a pro-european, pro-cooperation country. the resistance not coming from us. we are on the contrary demanding party. >> where is resistance coming from? >> well, resistance is coming -- this is sensitive area, which is the -- i think we still have little bit of tradition about facts, military, intelligence, these are protected areas, these are core sovereign attributes and you cannot fool around with that. i think there is something of that old tradition that goes on
but steps in the right direction are being taken and minds are getting modernized. >> can you tell us if abdel slam is talking, cooperating with investigators? >> i can't tell you what he's exactly saying or not saying and what level of cooperation the country is, there were at beginning indications that he may be cooperative but i don't have seen confirmation of this, confirmation of this just lately. >> well, the belgian embassy, thank you very much, sir. again, thoughts and prayers are with you and your nation. >> thank you and the american people. >> american citizen was set to catch a flight back home to the u.s. when the terror struck. she described her harrowing account. the first bomb tore through the brussels airport yesterday. >> the lady handed me my baggage, i turned to look at him, and he smiled, a grin, and
then i remember a whirlwind, looked like a tornado going off behind him, stuff flying everywhere, that hit me. i felt it before i heard it. i didn't know what was going on i didn't understand what was going on until he was coming towards me. i thought an accident happened or i don't know. it was clear, after seeing the terror on his face, it wasn't an accident. >> jeff hoffman, her boyfriend, consultant for nato was beside her at the airport and join me live from brussels. jeff, thanks very much what you described on the "today" show earlier today is just extraordinary. tell me your reactions and your sense during the attack and now afterwards. >> immediately during the attack, when the actual first explosion occurred, it was very normal moment. i think anyone's had at airport, waiting for someone to finish che check-in and i was playing with
my telephone, thinking nothing more of going to work. the first explosion was a very loud noise, flash of light that caused immediate to immediately to turn to the right, and at that point debris was coming directly at me and the air began to cloud up, dust, opaque view. but quite honestly, given events that have happened here in the last week, my first inclination to regard this is an attack, we're under attack. at that point i looked over at shereen she was at counter speaking with the ticket agent and my first words were something along the lines, get down. as i began to move towards her, the second explosion went off to my left rear and that was a much more distinctive, powerful explosion though it was further away. it was very much a moment where you find yourself focused on one specific task, in this case, getting directly over to the ticket counter and then getting cover. >> and since then, you and
sherine the calmness you displayed, determination to live there, to stay, you work for nato, how do you feel? >> just clarify, i'm a consultant for nato. >> understood. >> it little bit different than being a full employee. however, you go through a hot lot of mixed emotions and thoughts go back and forth. certainly an incident i never expected to experience in my life though i feel like i've been on the periphery of a few. i go back and forth. goes back and forth wanting to come home and also in terms of as we all turn and face this threat and now i've been right in the middle of it, wanting to make my own personal stand in a way, to say nothing like this going to run me off. i have a job to do. i don't want to tuck tail and run. and that goes along the lines with what many of us say, when you do run from terrorists they
ultimately are going to win. >> jeff, clarify for me, were you in paris also? tell me you talked about being in the periphery of other incidents. >> it's sort of almost a long family history. my brother-in-law was in tower 2 on 9/11, he did survive, he got out. if anything, when i think about it, knowing his story probably helped yesterday, and the courage he showed. i was here in brussels during the attack but here for the lock jahn. i was in the square a week before the suicide bomb there. in some ways it did feel as if it was coming in closer, spiraling in closer. >> boston? >> i was not in boston, no. >> i'm sorry. in istanbul right before that attack? >> yes. correct. >> sorry.
i didn't hear you correctly. that is quite a lot of circumstance. we're so glad that you are safe and sherine and thanks for sharing it with us today. >> nbc news confirms intelligence officials believe there is a direct link between brussels and paris attackers. how big is the cell? you're watching andrea mitchell reports only on msnbc. atand that horrible smellstee are really good at hiding.vice, oh, boy. there it is. ♪ ohh. ooh. [ gags ] so when you need a house cleaner or an exterminator, we can help you get the job done right, guaranteed. get started today at angie's list, because your home is where our heart is. ♪
of this barbaric terrorism that's been taking place around the world, and we see high-profile attacks in europe but they are also killing muslims throughout middle east, people who are innocent people who guilty only of worshipping islam in a different way than this organization they are poisoning the minds of young people everywhere, not just europe but in the united states and undoubtedly in argentina, people are looking on these websites. so there's no more important item on my agenda than going after them and defeating them. the issue is how do we do it in an intelligence way. and our approach has been
continuously to adjust to see what works and what doesn't. what has been working is air strikes we're taking on their leadership, on nair infrastructure, financial systems. what has been work iing special operators partnering with iraqi security forces and going after leadership networks and couriers and disrupting the connection between their bases in raqqah, their bases in mosul. we've recovered, taken away from isil about 40% of their territory and isil's leadership has been hunkered down, and we are going to continue to press on them number we have driven them out of their strongholds and until they're destroyed. while we are doing that, we're
also extraordinarily vigilant about preventing attacks in our homeland and working with our allies to prevent attacks in places like europe. but as i've said before, this is difficult work. it not because we don't have the best and brightest working on it. it's not because we are not taking the threat seriously. it is because it's challenging to find, identify, very small groups of people who are willing to die themselves and can walk into a crowd and detonate a bomb. and my charge to my team is to find every strategy possible to successfully reduce the risk of such terrorist attacks, even as we go after their beating heart in places like iraq and syria.
and as our strategy evolves, and we see additional opportunities, we will go after it. but what we don't do and what we should not do is take approaches that are going to be counterproductive. so when i hear somebody saying we should carpet bomb iraq or syria, not only is that inhumane, not only is that contrary to our values, but that would likely be an extraordinary mechanism for isil to recruit more people willing to die and explode bombs in an airport or in a metro station. that's not a smart strategy. as far as what some candidates have said, i think i've been very clear on this. one of great strengths of the united states, and part of the reason we have not seen more
attacks in the united states, is we have a extraordinarily successful, patriotic, integrated muslim-american community. they do not feel isolated. their chirp children are our children's friends going to the same schools. they are our colleagues in our workplaces. they are our men and women in uniform fighting to our freedom. so-and-so any approach that would single them out or target them for discrimination is not only wrong and un-american, but it also would be counterproductive because it would reduce the strength, the antibodies that we have to resist terrorism.
as far as the notion of having surveillance of neighborhoods where muslims are present, i just left a country that engages in that kind of neighborhood surveillance which, by the way, the father of senator cruz escaped for america, the land of the free. the notion that we would start down that slippery slope makes absolutely no sense. it's contrary to who we are. and it's not going to help us defeat isil. last point i'll make on this, i understa understand when we see the sight of these kind of attacks, our hearts bleed because we know that could be our children, that could be our family members or our friends or co-workers who
travel to a place like brussels. and it scares the american people. and it horrifies me. i've got two young daughters who are growing up a little too fast. i want them to have the freedom to move and travel around the world without the possibility that they'd be killed. so i understand why this is the top priority to the american people and i want them to understand this is my top priority as well. it is the top priority of my national security team. it is the top private of the military. it is the top priority of our int intelligence officers. it is the top priority of our diplomats. but we are approaching this in a way that has a chance of working. and it will work. and we're not going to do things that are counterproductive simply because it's political
season. we're going to be steady. we're going to be resolute and ultimately we're going to be successful. >> excuse me, but i don't think that it will help in any sense i voice an opinion -- >> president obama at news conference with the argentine leader clearly stating his objections to what ted cruz and donald trump have been suggesting. most forceful defense yet of his strategy and of american values, and in the process, saying that he just left a country that has surveillance, political surveillance and ted cruz's father escaped interest the country. this is a critical reference to cuba in the context of his being questioned about his anti-isis strategy. i'm joined by msnbc contributor malcolm nance, a combat veteran, retired u.s. navy intelligence
collector, and steve clemens, editor at large for "the atlantic" just outside the airport in brussels arriving when the attacks took place and just made his way back to washington. thank so much to you, steve. malcolm, the whole question whether we should be surveying muslim neighborhoods and stepping our intelligence and doing a better job in helping europe the fact that hillary clinton is going make proposals in a couple of hours at stanford, what more should we be doing? what more should ufrp europe be doing. >> i've been training and lecturing to new york state's entire homeland security and intelligence officer community for law enforcement and local police. this proposal to do surveillance on american citizens, as if they were in a ghetto, the president made it very, very clear, not
only do these, number one, not stand up to our values, this country's 239 years old, we have never done that on the scale apart from the civil war. we're not going to go to the gestapo and acting like the stazy. the program carried out in new york city was not surveillance of an entire community. it was a few officers who had the best job in the world sitting around drinking coffee and listening to people chat. absolutely worthless within the intelligence community. what we need to do is focus our joint terrorism task forces on going out and doing leg work on real intelligence investigations where we have indications where we're going to get those indications from our muslim neighbors. >> and, steve, first of all, glad to see you safe and sound at home. but you -- i was talking to you yesterday you survived going from border to border without any security.
you were in that last train out of -- >> belgium. >> -- belgium. no one stopped you at different border as you moved to amsterdam and frankfurt to see if an attacker was in your mibs. >> we're closer than i was to the bomb attack, you move to a different station and you saw very little security at the brussels station, it increased after rumors of the bombs in the subways and we felt we had to get out of the country or we wouldn't for days. we got on to a train to amsterdam and were the last train out of that station, last train i was told out of belgium. and really we shouldn't have been able to do it, i'm glad i got out, no one took our papers or looked what we did. you ask questions what security procedures aren't in place that should, another thing to keep in mind, what do you think could have been done? i'm not an expert like malcolm
but in the united states you have soft ways you watch things. you have dogs with ultrahearing, sort of all around in various places hidden. i didn't see any of that at the airport. and you wonder, if there aren't sort of soft surveillance systems that aren't yet in place in some parts of europe and perhaps should be. >> joining us now, msnbc contributor chris dickey, bureau chief, foreign editor for "the daily beast." we've been talking about what europe has not been doing and how america can help europe. hillary clinton will be giving a speech, strongly criticizing trump and cruz, saying it in is in our interest to help europe better defend itself. europe does not share flight manifests within their countries though we have now demanded such agreements before people can get on flights to the u.s. >> reporter: well, you know, the heritage of the nazis is still
very strong here in the sense that people are always afraid that they're going to go too far and the germans, particularly, are leery of that. but in a broader sense, you've got 28 different countries, 28 different judicial cultures, 28 different police forces. here in brussels there are, i think, 19 different boroughs with six different police forces operating in them. in that environment it's real lard to get coordination. as david cohen, used to be head of the intelligence unit for the nypd, the truth of intelligence sharing, there is no such thing as intelligence sharing. there is intelligence trading. when you have that situation with so many different countries and interests, it's very hard to coordinate. >> i wanted to play, malcolm, for all of you, the new york police commissioner bratton yesterday responding
aggressively in defense of the muslim members of the police force against what ted cruz said. >> i would remain the senator he lives in the united states of america in the statements he made today is why he's not going to become president of the country because we don't need a president that doesn't respect values that form the foundation of the country. i have over 900 very dedicated officers in this department, many of whom do double duty, seb as active duty member of the u.s. military in combat, something the senator has never seen. before he starts denny grating any population group, take a close look who he's denigrating. >> one of the risks of the rhetoric, anti-muslim rhetoric, against isis. >> isis understands western media and understands value of the media as a propagation methodology for their own propaganda. when we use hateful rhetoric,
chief bratton put it brilliantly, sorry, nothing more i can say after his absolutely heroic statement. but isis cannot use that. what they can use is that they can use this cartoon image that we've painted of ourselves and our relations with the muslim world and they can recruit from that. they can antagonize their own members with that and of course isolate people who were completely on the fence about the united states. >> and malcolm, i'm going to interrun you a moment to return to president obama. he's been asked about the wisdom of going to the baseball game in cuba after the attacks. >> -- on intervention in syria and plan b. president macri, president obama believes that normalizing relations with cuba will give the u.s. a lot more credibility and leverage around latin america. i'm wondering if you also believe that's true. will you both commit to attending olympics in brazil, no
matter what happens with instability? thank you. >> i addressed this issue a little bit at the baseball game when i was interviewed by espn. but let me reiterate it. groups like isil can't destroy us. they can't produce anything. they're not an existential threat to us. they are vicious killers and murderers who perverted. of the world's great religions and their primary power, in addition to killing innocent lives, is to strike fear in our societies, to disrupt our societies so that the effect cascades from an explosion or an
attack by semiautomatic rifle. even as we are systemic and ruthless and focussed in going after them, disrupting their networks, getting their leaders, rolling up their operations, it is very important for us to not respond with fear. as i said, that's hard to do because we see the impact in an intimate way of the attacks that they make. but we defeat them in part by saying you are not strong, you are weak. we send a message to those who might be inspired by them to say you are not going to change our
values of liberty and openness and the respect of all people. and i mentioned at the baseball game yesterday, one of my proudest moments as president was watching boston respond after the boston marathon attack, because they taught america a lesson. they grieved, i was there for the memorial, we apprehended those who carried this out. but a few days later folks were out shopping. a few days later people were in that baseball stadium and, you know, singing the national anthem, and big papi was saying what he felt about boston, boston strong, and how a
terrorist attack was not going to change the basic spirit of that city. well, at that moment he spoke about what america is, and that is how -- that is how we are going to defeat these terrorist groups, in part because we're going after them and taking strikes against them and arresting them and getting intelligence on them and cooperating with other countries. but a lot of it is also going to be to say you do not have power over us. we are strong. our values are right. you offer nothing except death. and so it's important for the u.s. president and the u.s.
government to be able to work with people who are building and who are creating things and creating jobs and trying to solve major problems like climate change and setting up educational exchanges for young people who are going to create the next new great invention or scientific breakthrough that can cure diseases. we have to make sure that we lift up and stay focused as well on the things that are most important to us because we're on the right site of history. and with respect to how my reading of our history and latin america impacts syria, i think it's apples and oranges. what i have been clear about is where -- when it comes to defending the united states or
its allies and our core interests, i will not hesitate to use military force where necessa necessary. when it is -- but how we do that is important. we don't just go ahead and blow something up just so that we can go back home and say we blew something up. that's not a foreign policy that's not a military strategy. and i do think it is important for the president of the united states and the administration to think through what they're doing so that they can achieve the objectives that are priorities of the american people. i can tell you how i spend my time is thinking through with our generals, with our military, with our best thinkers, how are we going to most effectively go after isil, how do we most effectively bring peace to syria. we don't just throw some military action at it without
having thought it through and making sure that it's effective. >> we are watching the president defend himself, his strategy against isis, and also attending the ball game in cuba. >> professor obama giving us a lesson on what matters which is to keep going on with our lives, et, i think honestly, i would have liked to have heard some of those remarks before the ball game. he said it's important to do what we would do to reminded me when boko haram and other groups attacked malls in africa, trying to shut down commerce, shut down tourism. i think what the president said is very important but you end up with clashes of symbolism here. when a terrible thing happened in brussels, i have to tell you it impacted me seeing a nation gripped in a way that it hadn't been gripped, deal with that. so it requires us to be somber but also to do what the
president said. >> malcolm nance, your thoughts? >> i agree with steve wholeheartedly. i made a mistake in my segment, had an oif veteran contact mean the americans have rounded up american citizens during world war ii, we interred japanese americans. these actions are -- do not meet american values and we can never go down the path again. senator cruz needs to revisit his comments. >> in fact, congress passed a law, resolution, apologizing to japanese americans some years back for exactly that point. thank you all. i apologize for the abbreviated segment because of the president's news conference. you understand. on the "today" show, senator ted cruz defended his call for police to patrol muslim neighborhoods in the wake of the brussels attack, a plan hillary clinton called dangerous. >> when you are patrolling and
securing a neighborhood, it benefits the neighborhood. i'm talking about focusing law enforcement and national security resources on areas on locations where there is a higher incidence of radical islamic terrorism and liar risk and preventing it. >> the last thing we need, my friends, are leader whose insight more fear. what donald trump, ted cruz, and others are suggesting is not only wrong, it's dangerous. >> joining me, nbc's katy tur following the republican campaigns. ted cruz today, first of all, the whole question of isis, the cruz and trump rhetoric on isis, but then we also have jeb bush endorsing ted cruz, where do we stand now in this stop trump movement? >> the establishment is trying to fine any way they can to keep
donald trump from getting 1,237 from not getting the magic number so the nomination is not in effect his. we're seeing jeb bush endorse ted cruz which is quite remarkable, as well as mitt romney voting for him in utah. both of those things remarkable considering that ted cruz has been trying to paint himself as this anti-establishment figure, and also remarkable given his reputation within the senate that people don't generally get along with him. so this is what it has come down to. they believe ted cruz is their best hope to stop donald trump but reality is, if you look at the map going forward, states are much more friendly to candidate like john kasich, northeast, west as well, but those are states very pro manufacture trump in a lot of ways. the idea they're going to stop donald trump is not looking likely at this point. in fact, i've talked to gop insiders, leaders who said if donald trump comes close to the 1237 number even if he doesn't
get it would be extremely hard to take the nomination away from him and devastating if not disastrous for the republican party. >> and trump has opened a whole new attack line against cruz, going after the cruz campaign, thinking i guess erroneously that a tweet attacking milana trump came from the cruz forces which cruz says it didn't. he then threatened in a tweet to go after heidi cruz, ted cruz's wife. she has responded today in wisconsin. let's play that. >> you probably know that by most of the things that donald trump says has no basis in reality. we are not worried in the least. we're focusing on our campaign. we have run our campaign with the principles that ted and i believe in and a lot of the things that are done from time to time are not from our campaign. i want you to focus on what our campaign puts out. >> where do you start with that,
battle over accusations about spouses? >> the anti-super pac make america awesome had a photo of milana trump from years ago in "gq" a fashion photo that's a little bit suggestive, i guess, and so they said basically, is this who you want your first lady to be, this photo here. donald trump came after ted cruz, i guess, believing that it had come from ted cruz directly or if not, that ted cruz had something to do with the super pac, the cruz campaign is saying that absolutely not we had nothing to do with this and donald trump in effect said, if you don't apologize, i'm going to spill the beans on your wife. be careful, lying ted or i'll spill the beans on your wife. this opened up a can of worms between two fighting over they're wives. this is another example of the tone in the campaign how far it's degraded over the past ten months. donald trump certainly has a lot of blame for that considering
all of the language and rhetoric he's used over the last ten months calling people dummies and insulting people, calling marco rubio a baby, calling ted cruz a liar, lying ted, calling john mccain not a war hero. you should remember that donald trump when he first started campaigning, when he announce the his presidency, took a lot of flak from the establishment right, from those in washington, and then the political analysts basically calling him a joke, calling him a clown. the nastiness was on both sides from the very beginning. donald trump has just run with it. and now what we're seeing are these fights over spouses right now between the two republican front-runners i guess if you will, ted cruz the second in delegates in the moment, and it doesn't look like there's anything that's going to stop this from happening here on out. so far, the voters have been siding with donald trump, even
when they say they done like his rhetoric, they don't like his tone, they wish he would cool it off. they agree with him more overall and they're willing to accept this dang from him and still vote for him because they do believe that he's going to change his ways if he gets the nomination or if he gets the presidency. that's still, though, remain to be seen. we haven't seen him change his tone this season for an extended period of time. >> katy tur, thank you for staying on top of all of this for us. more coming up next. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.co derstands the life behind it. ♪ those who have served our nation have earned the very best service in return. ♪ usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an auto insurance quote and
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on the sixth anniversary of the affordable care act, the supreme court is herring an argument that challenges the rooirment birth control be made available at no cost to women. pete williams. >> reporter: this case appears for a 4-4 tie without justice scalia. here's the issue here. a number of religious affiliated
institution, catholic schools, little sisters of the poor, charities and seminaries object to the way the law works. the law says, if they have a religious objection to providing contraceptive coverage for employees all they have to do is notify the government, give information about their insurance plan, and government will take it over, they don't have to pay for it, no problem the government says. they say that still makes them complicit, that violates their religious beliefs and, today at least four thmembers of the cou, conservative plus anthony kennedy agree, chief justice john roberts says the government is highing jaing health care plans because it would deliver the contraceptive coverage through their existing plans. justice kennedy picked up that same word, say hijacking the plans. the now more liberal court members defended the plan but if it does end up 4-4 tie, it would produce quite a strange result. first of all, the little sisters and many other groups that sued
would lose because they lost in the lower courts and a tie would leave those rulings in place. but the courts were not unanimous here. it would provide different effects in different states, andrea. >> pete williams from the court, to be continued. 4-4 tie, of course, the context of the confirmation battle or nonhear haings to come. john kerry will be going to brussels. it has just been confirmed after he is in moscow, he's in russia today and tomorrow, meeting with putin to discuss syria and threat of isis and whether or not any cooperation with the russians can work. and he will then go to brussels, we are told, to express the condolences of the united states. it was thought it might be too much for the official there's to accept an official visit but now it has been determined that it is appropriate and he will be going. and that does it for us with all of this news today.
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i'm tamron hall. i want to take you to a news conference with ted cruz. >> that's gutter politics. it's not complicated that it's gutter politics. donald knows that, but sadly demonstrated last night he was willing to go to the gutter. and the reap is not difficult to understand. donald had a very very bad night last night. he competed and competed hard in utah. he thought he would do well and he got -- he faced a landslide defeat in utah, 69% and it's the manifestation of republicans coming together. i understand donald is scared. he recognizes that if republicans unite, 65%,