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good afternoon. it is 3:00 p.m. on the east coast. but here in brussels, belgium, it is 8:00 p.m. and tonight the crowds are still coming. we have flags, candles, flowers. in fact, we have the stock exchange, the old stock exchange building here. there are flags of dozens of countries. people have been chanting, singing, praying together. but tomorrow's demonstration of solidarity, which they were calling a march against fear, has now been canceleded. after the interior minister and
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the mayor of belgium urged people not to come to the rally tomorrow citing the terror level and the need for the police to focus on the ongoing investigation. we also have a major development in that investigation today. belgian federal prosecutors now charged a man identified as f faycal c. with three counts of what is believed to be murder. there were two suicide bombers with him and suitcases. his apparent bomb did not detonate. nbc news has not been able to confirm that that is who that person is. faycal c. for more on the arrests, let's go to ayman mohyeldin.
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>> reporter: these are the first -- faycal c. is the first to be charged with tuesday's attacks. he's been charged with three different accounts all associated to terrorism. one participating in a terrorist group. two, terrorist assassination that constitutes murder here. and third, attempted terrorist assassination or attempted murder. that is something we would be more familiar with in the united states. in addition to that, two other individuals that are being charged with participating in a terrorist group, not necessarily directly linked to tuesday's attacks, but one of the individuals who has been identified by the prosecutor known as rabah n. was arrested with a raid a took place in france thursday evening. what terrorist plot or group he may have been involved in, that
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is not yet clear. there are those three individuals that have been charged as a result of that. so that is a significant development in the case. we know that some of the individuals that belgian police have detained over the past several days, some of those have been released after being questioned. another individual, his detention has been extended for another 24 hours. so a lot of different moving pieces, but a significant announcement today by the federal prosecutor that, in fact, there has been an arrest in connection to tuesday's attack as well as charges that are now being filed against that individual. belgian media as we were saying reporting that it is the person identified in white known as the man in the white jacket, seen in that surveillance photo. nbc news has not independently confirmed that. and the federal prosecutors did not elaborate whether that is indeed the man they are still looking for. chris? >> what are we seeing in terms of security? i know you had time to go around parts of the city today. we certainly have seen
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increasing security presence here. probably due in large part to the fact that these crowds keep coming. but in the rest of the city, are they still guarding the subways? are we still seeing a presence on the streets? >> reporter: yes, absolutely. in fact, belgian police maintain a very strong presence, if you will. individual le vigilance across the city, and the belgian interior minister called on organizers who were planning to hold a large rally here known as the solidarity march or march against fear, that was scheduled to take place on sunday. they actually asked them not to go through with organizing that event because they were concerned for security. a, they were concerned the country remains at a high threat level and don't want a massive gathering to take place. but also because they were concerned it was going to drain too many resources of the be belgian police to secure the thousands to show up here to express their solidarity during
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the march. they asked organizers to postpone it to a later time. it does give you the sense of anxiety and the concern officials have. scenes around this square where we are, a lot of the trash cans have actually been covered up. there are a lot of people moving in and out of the square here. so police have taped up the trash cans to prevent anybody from leaving anything that may be suspicious because that again would drain their resources in having to come in and inspect it and check that out to make sure everybody that wants to come pay their respects can do so safely. chris? >> yeah, that was something we in new york city became very familiar with. thank you so much, nbc's ayman mohyeldin. now i want to bring in the president of crowd strikes services. also with us, brian levin, for the study of hate and extremism at california state university. gentlemen, welcome to both of you. shawn, i want to start with you. one of the points that's been
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made by security officials i have talked to here is, look, these are not a couple of guys getting together. these are not disgruntled people. these are terror networks. they are sophisticated. they have improved the way they put these attacks together. what's your analysis of what you've seen and learned so far about what happened here in brussels? >> yeah, chris. i think that's exactly right. these are people who have been trained internationally. they are foreign fighters and very skilled in the construction of the explosive devices in the use of long guns, heavy weaponry. clearly they have been able to keep themselves off the radar for many months. they have what appears to be a strong network in brussels to allow them to be housed, fed, they can communicate. and clearly to plan these types of divorcevices that have broug serious repercussions around brussels and the european countries that are on high alert
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because of the threats. >> brian, we have seen the the raids the last couple of days and another isis attack this time in iraq last night at a soccer game that killed more than 40 people. when i was at a mosque before friday prayers yesterday, one of the things so frustrating to the three 31 and 32-year-olds we talked to, the victims are often muslims and struggling to try to identify who they are and what motivates them. what do we know? >> well, here's what i think is really interesting. there's a lot of information with respect to who is a suspect, who is arrested, and i could get into that. but what i want to do is take a macro view. there was a group called sharia for u.k. they had an affiliate called sharia for belgium. and a man was convicted last year and sentenced to 12 years in prison. he was also tried with 45 other
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people. you might be familiar with one of the radical preachers from britain that is on american television. this is an affiliate of his group that has tapped into an upset within the moroccan community. what's interesting is we are seeing a lot of the leadership coming from the moroccan-belgian community. the arrest last week of abd abdelslam, he was moroccan. the moroccan belgians represent the highest proportion of foreign fighters per capita of any group coming out of europe other than probably kosovo. >> one of the interesting
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things, too, is in the day after this and belgian officials were talking about shawn, how they were going to deal with this. they had trained thousands of their police to be able to identify the signs of somebody who might be radicalized. and i know to that end that there have been fbi agents who have come over here, apparently before this all happened, maybe about a month ago according to secretary state kerry, what kind of expertise does the fbi have that they could be sharing here? >> this is a global issue. it's a global war on terror. and these threats are prolific throughout europe and in the united states. the fbi actually had agents who were assigned in brussels all the time. they are there full-time deployed in the u.s. embassy to coordinate with officials in belgium. but they have since said additional experts and forensic experts able to reconstruct the bombs, helping to identify the signatures within those explosive components that might
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help to identify who the terrorists are. they have those forensic experts able to help exploit media that might be obtained in the course of search warrants. so telephones, computer equipment, media devices that store data. so the fbi will be providing their expertise, helping the belgian authorities to see and connect if there are any connectivity to anything happening in the united states. but also around the globe. lots of intelligence agencies throughout the global community that will be assisting the belgian authorities, chris. >> what we have on the other hand that we have seen in the past, brian, is that they take what they consider a success, the success any time they kill someone and use it for recruiting. is that what you expect to see here? >> oh, absolutely. look, after our community was attacked, the next issue is
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isis' magazine highliging the attacks in san bernardino. much of the attack was directed at fellow muslims. the interesting thing i want to say is one of the areas they are looking to radicalize are not just people disenfranchised but they are also looking for people involved in criminality. so people were separated from the institutions of society. and people who feel that they have a grievance. so you have a grievance, you have people who are hooked into a social network. they are then exposed to fellow travelers and radicalizeded. and then made operational. that is the perfect storm that is existing in belgium where we have from europe about 6900 foreign fighters go into syria and iraq. interestingly, we have between 400 to 600 from belgium. belgium has a problem. and one of the things that is unfortunate is that they have not been able to prioritize
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investigations when they know people who have been alerted to them from foreign intelligence agencies like france, the united states and turkey. we have the greater prioritization and integration between the agencies. it is not an intelligence failure but it is wrapping up all the pieces together. >> brian levin, shawn henry, thanks to both of you for taking the time to share your expertise tonight. and a little bit of breaking news, we have just learned that teams have gone to the airport for the first time. they include engineers, technicians, independent external experts who have been looking at the stability of the airport because they are talking about trying to reopen it sometime next week. and at least the initial check has found that both the main building and that connector building where there's luggage and the passengers are checked in, those are considered to be stable. but in the meantime, they are looking at can they move some of the check-in desks elsewhere in
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order to get flights back out next week. we'll keep you posted. but the first analysis of the stability of the airport has been completed. and at least the initial findings are pretty positive. next week the president, president obama, will specifically talk about isis with world leaders in washington during the nuclear security summit. now this was planned even before the terror attacks in belgium. but this topic was added in. isis, the focus as well, of the president's weekly address. we will succeed. the terrorists will fail. they want us to abandon our values and our way of life. we will not. they want us to give in to their vision of the future. we will defeat them with ours. because we know that the future belongs not to those who seek only to destroy but to those who have the courage to do it. >> kerry sanders is here with us
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now. always as we see at these events there's a chance for sides. how much pressure is there on the obama administration to show frankly that they are doing everything they can in this environment to fight isis? >> reporter: well, more than ever. one of the disturbing aspects is the the suicide bombers according to nbc news had been monitoring a nuclear researcher there in belgium. and those hours of videotape that they had been recording, it's believed to try to find some way to perhaps build what is called a dirty bomb. and, of course, the real fear is what a dirty bomb would do, not only in the short-term, but in the long-term. it is the nightmare scenario. and so the meeting here at the nuclear summit that will take place next week in washington, 52 heads of state. as you noted, it's a meeting that had been previously planned. but now ever so much important. among the two things that will
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really be of the most important part about dealing with the concern of nuclear material is one cyber security because the terrorists and others try to hack through the systems to get into nuclear facilities. but beyond that, it's really the movement and storage of nuclear material. that is sort of the weak point when there is storage and movement. because that is where somebody may be able to compromise the security, take something, it disappears into the ether and then potentially could be used for some sort of dirty bomb. but a lot of the attention will be on that. and i think that you're going to find that the nations that are meeting will sort of recognize, not that they haven't already discussed this, but realize this is a far greater more immediate threat than most people have thought up until now, chris. >> nbc's kerry sanders at the white house. thanks so much, kerry. belgian prosecutors say 24
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of the 31 people who died in tuesday's attacks have now been identified. and two of them are americans, but their identities have not yet been released. in all, about a dozen americans were injured in the attacks. nbc's gabe gutierrez spoke to some family members who have come here to brussels to be with their loved ones. gabe, what did you find? >> reporter: well, hi, chris. a bit of a heartwarming scene playing out behind me at the makeshift memorial. people are breaking out in song, a show of solidarity in the wake of the terrorist acts. and i did speak to the families of a few of the missionaries from utah that came here the last couple of days to meet with their loved ones. and the family of joe empy, his family just arrived yesterday and saw him for the first time. i was able to speak to joe empy himself in his hospital bed through skype. empy said he arrived at the
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airport, he was seeking to drop off another missionary. and he was in the delta checkout line for a minute or so when the blast happened. he was briefly knocked unconscious. when we woke up, he didn't know quite what happened and wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible. from the family, his parents, this is all still sinking in. take a listen to what they had to say. >> it's almost gotten progressively worse as it sinks in. immediately it was, oh, he's great, you know, talking to him on the phone, he sounded like he was at peace and it was not that big of a deal. so we are thinking, this is great, he's got a few injuries but now as it starts to sink in every once in a while and you sit and think about it and think just how tragic it could have been and how tragic it was for so many people. we are really lucky. >> when i actually got on the web and saw that people had lost their lives, my heart was broken
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for everyone involved. and it just made me grateful that he was still alive. and that was all that mattered at that time. >> reporter: joe empey and the other missionaries he was with are all expected to make a full recovery. chris? >> gabe gutierrez, our hearts go out to so many families. thank you so much. and coming up, we'll turn to politics at home. we're watching the democratic caucuses, which are underway right now in three states, washington a little later, alaska and hawaii. if bernie sanders sweeps those contests, what could it mean for hillary clinton's delegate lead? we'll talk about it coming up. (vo) you can check on them. you can worry about them. you can even choose a car for them. (mom) honey, are you ok? (child) i'm ok.
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and we've got a real path toward victory to the white house. >> bernie sanders plotting a path to victory in front of a massive crowd at safeco field friday night. here's what is at stake in the caucus. the democrats caucusing in three states, hawaii, alaska and washington state. more than 100 pledged delegates are up for grabs. and for bernie sanders today, it's a chance to regain momentum in the race. msnbc's cal perry is live in seattle where a caucus is happening. have they wrapped it up there? oh, yes, i see it. >> reporter: very efficient, i have to say, for a process billed as being convoluted and confusing. people got in, got out, around 500 to 600 people. these are the results from the congressional district seven. chris will be taking them on to the congressional office shortly and that's when we'll start to
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get the first results from this washington caucus. i would say two to three hours for the results. it was a pretty ruccous crowd. a lot of interesting debates back and forth. there was an initial vote and people have the opportunity to speak for three minutes to try to sway undecided voters into their camp or to try to switch voters into their camp. so that's what we saw here this morning. and now it's all about those results as you said, bernie sanders wanting to carry that momentum through this caucus as he looks forward to wisconsin on tuesday. chris? >> whatever you say about how many delegates he's behind, it hasn't dampened the enthusiasm of his supporters. that was a wildly big crowd at safeco. >> reporter: yeah, huge crowd last night at that baseball stadium. 15,000 people there. that coming on the heels of a huge rally in portland, oregon, where a bird landed and we have seen so much activity on the internet about bernie sanders. he's really playing to that. and now he's moving to wisconsin. and these are cities and states that really fit with his
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message. these are liberal places. in this area of seattle is a liberal leaning place. so this is a place where this was the debate and the movement for the minimum wage began here in washington. that's something he said to his supporters last night as he pleaded with them to bring their family, to bring their friends, just as they did here in washington. now he's going to ask them to do that as well in wisconsin, chris. >> msnbc's cal perry, thank you so much. at that caucus site, i want to talk more about the expectations tonight and the road ahead for the democrats. so let me bring in chicago's ""sun times"" lynn sweet and beth phoey. you look at the delegate count and think the race is over, but bernie sanders doesn't act like something who is ready to get out of the race. and 15,000 people at safeco field don't think he should get out of the race. so where do you put the democratic race right now? >> right, and all the people contributing to bernie sanders so let the campaign continue at
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a well-funded pace. well, you know, mathematically he's still in the game but he would -- going into saturday's contest he needed something like to get 75% of every delegate out there. and that's not counting those party superdelegates. so chris, to answer your question where i put it is that he still is too far behind, too likely to not be the nominee, but he's playing a very important role in this contest by hulling hillary clinton to the left. but dwindling away, that does not harm her general election prospects. >> yeah, and it was really interesting, beth, because elizabeth warren, speaking of pulling to the left, told the associated press she's still cheering bernie on. what's that about? >> well, that was very carefully worded, wasn't it? it was not an endorsement, but she clearly likes the role he's playing in this race. he is pushing hillary clinton to the left on a lot of issues, on
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immigration, on trade, talking about wall street in a slightly different way. that's as music to elizabeth warren's ears. she has not made an endorsement yet. it's unclear whether she's going to really, but at the same time she knows that her power is staying out at this point. and, you know, is showing a little tweet or going on tv. even just kind of nodding or hinting as to what she's thinking about. people listen, both hillary clinton and bernie sanders are listening and following. so she's got a lot more power at this point staying out, probably, unlike all the other women senators who have endorsed secretary clinton. >> you know, in the meantime, again, the odds are very much against bernie sanders, having said that. he is not mathematically out of the race, say the way john kasich is. so given that, let's say he's not able to beat the odds. what does he get out of this? what does he want? >> well, he has a platform. he's a winner, even if he's not the nominee. because he has a movement behind
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him. now, from the clinton campaign point of view, they want to happily co-exist. so as they march to november, everyone votes for her. but he is going to be a first among some equals when he gets back to the senate. not that he was a bad venture, but he has perhaps a new role. and it remained -- he'll have a big speech at the convention. and i know his backers will be mad for acting like it is over. i understand that it's not. and i understand that hillary clinton may be getting a little paypack. remember in '08, i know you guys remember, she didn't quit until obama mathematically was clenching it and we are not there yet. >> that's right. she was there until june. so she's pointed that out, her campaign has pointed that out, she stayed in the race until june and they get that. having said that, compare for me, beth, where the republican party finds itself now versus where the democratic party finds
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itself now heading into what will be within just a couple of months the general election. >> well, it's really, like, two completely parallel universes. on the one hand, you have the democratic campaign. you know, very boisterous campaign. much tougher of a campaign than hillary clinton ever expected. but they are really debating about issues and really debating policy. they are not getting very personal with each other. they are kind of walking right up to that but really not crossing it at all. it's been a very kind of professional substantive campaign. on the republican side, we are seeing just this complete def luci devolution into the mud. they are fighting about their wives. talking about things like running the greatest country on the face of the planet. it's a terrible conversation for republicans. even if donald trump is the nominee or ted cruz, that there is enough of a -- enough people in this country who don't want
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another democrat in the white house who are sick of hillary clinton, that they will consider a more subdued and refined and professional donald trump or ted cruz come november. but right now it's very hard to see them getting there that way. >> well, it's also hard to see -- if the house and senate are deeply jeopardized by the way the presidential campaign is unfolding. >> to say the least, not an insignificant part of this equation. lynn sweet from if chicago "sun times" and beth phoey, great talking to you. the attacks are raising questions about safety everywhere else in the world, including on american soil. a lot of people want to know if the u.s. airports have the the capability to approve attacks like the one here on tuesday. and we continue to keep an eye on the caucuses happening today. alaska, hawaii, you just saw them wrapping up in one part of washington tonight. when the results come in, we'll have them here on msnbc, the place for politics.
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the damage caused by tuesday's attack at the airport found this. the main building in the area where passengers are checked in are both stable. the airport now looking to up stall temporary check-in desks. the attacks here in brussels happened at a major transportation hub. not just at the airport but at the subway. a lot of folks are asking, could the same type of attacks happen on the u.s.? on the same day of the suicide blasts at the airport, the tsa was due to deliver a report to congress on whether u.s. airports have the capability of prevents attacks anywhere in an airport. but according to who lpolitico missed the deadline. joining me now is the head of u.s. airports. a lot of people are saying the check-in gate is a security soft spot, but then you look at it and say, can you protect everything? can you protect curb side?
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i mean, where do you go and how do you prevent an attack like the one we saw here in brussels. can you? >> well, what happens is as you move the screening points inside the airport, and the aircraft which is where we have concentrated since the 1970s, as you concentrate hard on those areas, the places people line up become softer and become the targets. and the target has moved from the aircraft and the concourses to the areas where the screening occurs and those people line up. and there have been some instances of attacks on the screenings. and then it's to the ticket counters and the curb side units outside. over the past 12 to 15 years many have attacked those areas, the soft areas, the the ticket counters, the attack at the los angeles world airport in july 4, 2003.
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you had the attack in glascow where somebody drove a car into the ticket counters. you need to do the background checks before. the tsa is beginning their pre-check program, which allows people to go through a background check. and that allows them to take the focus off of everybody. and moving it just to the people who have not -- the unknowns. the people they have not been able to check. in israel, what they do in a large portion of the middle east, is as you drive to the airport a half mile, three quarters of a mile out, you go through a checkpoint. and everybody in the car, they do a quick scan, they have a couple of words with the people, and what they're looking for is not for what they say but how they answer the questions. and they get a feel for who needs further scrutiny. they then continue that as
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people enter into the terminal building and they go through their emotions. they look and see how they act with their bags. how they act with their interactions with other people in the terminal. they set up checkpoints in the terminals to see how people react when they see they are about to be checked. >> but when you're looking at a place like israel, you have one major airport in tel aviv. is israelistic to think that somebody could be implemented like that in the united states? >> well, certainly the israelis spend ten times as much per passenger on security than we do here in the united states. and in comparison to 16 million passengers there, john f. kennedy airport alone does over 50 million passengers. so it would have to be modified in some way. but we certainly can start taking on some of those attitudes where we're looking at the people and we're looking for attitude. the other thing is to do things to harden the areas of the
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airports. as they design the airports, thi they try to get rid of the lines and where people conjugate to make them smaller so there's not such a large group of people. they move through quicker into the secure areas. you also need more law enforcement officers and people who can actually do something. the tsa has a vital role in securing the airport through the screening. but if they were out checking on people in the terminals and they find somebody suspicious, they are not law enforcement officers, they are not armed. they really have to call somebody for help. and that involves now having armed people either the local police, the airport police departments or federal officers. >> yeah, so in any given -- especially major airports, what are we talking about in terms of the agencies involved? you obviously have the tsa, you have police who are there, you have the port authority in the case of new york city. you have u.s. customs, sometimes
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you see fbi agents around. how many different agencies are there? and how is the working relationship? at least through your experience? >> at john f. kennedy we work with over 30 different law enforcement agencies, state, local, federal. you mentioned the tsa, you've got u.s. customs and border protection. you've got immigrations and customs enforcement. you have people from the fbi, the united states she secret service, the department of state. you had the local police. you have the port authority police. there's just a myriad of agencies and they all work together. we all get together at least once a month formally in a security conference where not only law enforcement agencies get together but the security managers from all the different airlines and the airline terminals as well as the airport operator all get together in a room and we all discuss the
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different things that we have concerns about at that point. and that meeting is held on a monthly basis. in addition to that, all the leaders of these organizations talk on a regular basis, weekly basis, daily basis depending on what is going on. in addition to that, local level supervisors all talk to each other. the police officers on patrol in the airports meet with their counterparts who are either security managers from the various airlines, the tsa station managers, the local immigrations and customs enforcement people, they all knew each other and all made a point to touch base with each other every day. >> well, that's something to make people who go through j.f.k. feel much more confident. kenneth, thank you for coming on. it's good to talk to you. >> pleasure to be here. our team coverage live from brussels continues next with the latest on those new charges announced today. and what an expert told me about the sheer sophistication involved many the planning
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we are live back here in brussels at the stock exchange. we have seen people coming from all over the world to pay respects including many americans. but tomorrow's march against fear has been postponed after officials expressed concern over security here. welcome back. i'm chris jansing live in brussels. belgian federal prosecutors have now charged the man identified as faycal c. with the equivalent of murder outside the federal prosecutor's office on thursday night. he's the man in white pictured here next to two other airport
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suicide bombers. nbc news has not confirmed the reports of his identity. i want to bring in tara palmier from politico. now we see what is happening in brussels, what's the conversation like here? >> everyone is sort of talking about how getting around is going to change in europe. well, will the borders close? will you have to go through security to go on a regional train to go from one area of belgium. just to get to france from here it's a half hour. but we have to go through border controls, checks -- the other question people are having is, i walked to a bookstore right near my office. we work in the eu bubble but i was searched before going to the bookstore. is this the new normal? do you have to show your purse to get into a store? open borders is one of the
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luxuries in brussels. the countries are so small like u.s. states but that may change. and there's talk of creating a sort of central intelligence agency for all of europe, like a european cia, fbi, as a way to coordinate and make sure these things don't happen again where the french and the belgians or the french or the belgians and the dutch, people who share borders aren't actually sharing information to people who are passing between them. because they don't have to be checked. you can get in the car and drive to france in 40 minutes. you can get in the car and drive to amsterdam in two hours. but things may change. it may not be open terrain anymore. >> one of the things i found when i went to cover the tragedy in paris after the bataclan explosion and here. a lot of people are talking to me here from belgium and will say, but you understand. because they know that the united states lived through 9/11. we know what it is to be terrorized by this kind of senseless attack.
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as an american in brussels, and you know there are a lot of americans who live here -- >> nato is based here as well. >> yes, you have the eu and the european parliament and so on. what is it like to be an american here? somebody who i presume was in the united states for 9/11 now is here -- >> less than 20 miles from the twin towers, so yeah, i experienced it, lost neighbors, friends, family. i lived in new jersey at the time. i mean, i was young and frightened and it was scary. but the difference is, though, afterwards, i mean, the united states really put on a united front. you know, we're committed to stopping terrorism, they were spending tons of money on counter terrorism. you kind of had the feeling they were really serious about our safety. in europe, i don't know, because the europeans are so, like, bent on their civil liberties and making sure there isn't surveillance and that they aren't -- they don't have to live after 9:00 p.m. at night.
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they lived through communism and fascism. security is more important than their liberty but that's a big debate in europe. they are still fighting up giving passenger records in the european union. that's something in the united states all our names are recorded. it's not a reality in europe. >> tara palmeri from politico, thank you for coming back. i appreciate. earlier i spoke to a european security expert claude monique about the sophistication of tuesday's attack and the importance of the bombmaker. the bombmaker both from paris also tied to the brussels attacks. you protect the bomber because he's highly trained and you can always fine people who will go and kill themselves. you can't find people with that type of skill. i've been told by some' people
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the bombmakers aren't that importa important. >> you can find it on the internet with a degree in chemical engineering and find thinking, actually, you will just blow up yourself because it's a very unstable environment. you have to know exactly how to mix it. that will take weeks. and after you use it, to know exactly the effects. >> so they are not teaching themselves in their basement. they are going to syria. >> it's important to log this on the computer and try this in your basement. you have to be trained in a special specificity by special people in explosives. >> what do you make of the fact
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that in bataclan they were wearing suicide belts, but here they are bringing suitcases? >> well, they learned from isis. in bataclan in france, they used explosive belts. that means between a few hundred grams and a maximum grams in explosives. all the bombs didn't detonate and the belts just killed two or three people. it's very likely that somewhere someone decided, okay, we must go back to the old fashioned actions like the 777 or the -- and use bags of luggage that are 15 to 20 kilograms of explosives. and then you have the brussels airport where dozens are killed. >> that suggests terrorism that is terrifying. >> this is what we need to do
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with bringing in services. how was i successful? why did i fail? and i will try to do this a man high-speed train last summer and tried to kill the passengers and it was avoided by three american heroes -- >> yes. >> the man was unable to load his kalashnikov, he did it badly. following the attack what's happened. isis began to have a photograph, picture, cartoon showing how you must load correctly your weapon. they learned very fast. >> and now this tragedy has hit very close to home for those of us who live in the united
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states. as you know, we have been wondering about the whereabouts of stephanie and justin shults, both of them from kentucky. a couple who met in college at vanderbilt. well, now a tweet from his brother confirming that he has died in the bombings here. his brother wrote the last thing my brother ever told me is that he loved me. go rest high on that mountain. while there is no confirmation for stephanie, the people at her work have asked that she be kept in their prayers. he was the valedictorian, national merit scholar in high school, went to vanderbilt on a scholarship. both of them went to the owens school of business, both of them earning master's degrees, coming here in 2014 to pursue their dreams, to travel the world and to rise in the world of business. now we learn that justin shults is one of the victims of this horrific bombing here in brussels.
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so the early results are starting to come in at the washington state democratic caucus. just 1% of the vote, though, so it's too early to call. 118 delegates are at stake. as you know, this is the democratic caucus so it's bernie sanders/hillary clinton. the republicans are not caucusing there. the doors closed at 1:00 eastern time but those results just starting to come in. let's check on the republican race now where ted cruz got the grand tour of legendary lambeau field in green bay, wisconsin. a state critical to his hopes of staying competitive with donald trump. nbc campaign embed vaughn hill
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yard joins me now. vaughn, let's put this into perspective on how important wisconsin is in this republican race. >> reporter: hi, chris. i think wisconsin is voting a week from tuesday in its primary and it's kind of a mini iowa where you spend almost a year, ted cruz going county to county across iowa. he's got eight congressional districts to hit here. they look at it as if they can win a majority of those congressional districts and bring in a share of delegates that launch them into the primaries following that. they'll put in tv television time. we've already visited from a geothermal water pump planti. we visited a plant that makes orange caution cones, from janesville to auoshkosh to gree bay. this is a place where ted cruz can connect with the voters and talk about substance, which we saw over the course of the last 48 hours was a little difficult to do for him. >> nbc's vaughn hilliard on the
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republican side of the campaign trail. thank you so much, vaughn. on the democratic side the washington state caucus now too early to call with 1% in. 118 delegates at stake. the doors closed at 1:00 eastern time. again, very few votes in. that's going to do it for this hour of msnbc live. be sure to stay with us without the evening for the latest results from today's democratic caucuses in alaska, hawaii and of course washington state. but for now i'm chris jansing coming to you from brussels, belgium. my colleague, joy reid, picks up our team coverage from msnbc headquarters in new york after a quick break.
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