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usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an insurance quote and see wh92% of our members plan to stay for life. good morning to you. i'm ari melber here at msnbc headquarters in new york city, and this is the place for politics. our top story, the wisconsin primaries, just three days away and the latest polling out of the badger state at a major shake upin the race for the gop nomination. this is out wednesday, has ted cruz now trouncing donald trump by ten points. or take fox business. this was out thursday and shows the texas senator with the same ten-point lead over donald trump. and this has been quite a week of blunders for the trump campaign. no secret about that. criminal charges brought against
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trump campaign manager cory less than do you ski. trump's comments women should be punished for seeking illegal abortions which he then reversed and today the front runner campaigning in wisconsin, the first of three rallies in the lakeside city of racine. meanwhile, john kasich, hosting his own campaign events. the first kicks off about one hour from now. and ted cruz, he's going to be over in fargo to give the keynote speech at the north dakota gop convention tonight. that is a very important, under the radar activity. the goal, trying to win those states 28 uncommitted delegates. also last night, cruz, kasich and trump surrogate sarah palin in wisconsin for a republican party fish fry. >> i thank god that donald trump gets it. because he lives it. >> nominating donald trump is a train wreck. that's actually not fair to train wrecks. >> there's a reason the big money and open borders and radical special interests are so
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m madly anti trump. >> it elects hillary clinton. >> i understand people who are donald trump voters. >> let's get right to it with nbc's kerry sanders in wisconsin. i see, first of all, on fashion, you have gone from less to more, because you look a lot warmer. let me run my theory by you and you tell us what you're seeing on the ground. what i see in the donald trump campaign is a candidate who is confident, whether warranted or not, but politically that's got him far away. he's gone a real long way towards the delegate math of clinching the nomination with that strategy. and yet this week, i see a candidate who is evidently less confident when he has to put out four different clarifying statements on the abortion issue, among other topics. what are you seeing on the ground right now? >> reporter: i think you kind of nailed it right there. i mean, as you take a look behind me, you can see indeed there are some people out here and donald trump is not going to be here for a couple hours. but i'm going to take you back
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to iowa when i was standing in temperatures that were much colder and when it was snowing even harder than it was now. and there were people -- about four times as many people who were out there waiting for a chance to get into a position to hear donald trump speak. now, that's just a little bit of anecdotal observation. but it looks like, you know, what donald trump has done this past week is, in this unprecedented campaign, has been an unprecedented development for him. he is almost always on the offensive. and now he finds himself on the defense. he finds himself having to make statements and issue clarifications, making more statements about abortion. more clarifications. there will be an interview, a portion released by cbs on "face the nation" that will air tomorrow, where once again, donald trump seems to have moved the line on his position on abortion. and so as each element moves along on this issue, it appears
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to most voters that donald trump has not thought this through. because he keeps making different statements. and you've got to remember, since 1973, roe v. wade, this has been a defining issue in so many candidates' campaigns. not just for presidential, but offices across the country. so i think what you're going to find here is that this week will be a -- a watershed moment. a point where people look at the donald trump campaign and determine whether he has that momentum that he keeps talking about to go forward. he does have sarah palin who is out on the stump, and she was at the fish fry, which, of course, is a big political event here in wisconsin. and she was speaking on behalf of donald trump at that event. and while i'm not exactly sure where she was going with this, but this is what she had to say. >> i felt a lot of seriousness, which is really good, you know. in a presidential race at this stage. that seriousness is, for me -- it's appreciated.
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i respect that. [ inaudible question ] >> i think so. i didn't get booed. >> reporter: so ari, we will hear from donald trump here today. this was initially going to be a rally, and it's set up like most of his rallies with a podium. but there are some chairs to the side. they're talking about maybe this becoming more of a town hall kind of gathering. and, of course, that would mean that he would take questions from the crowd. and i suspect one of those questions would be about his position on abortion. >> nbc's kerry sanders, thank you, as always. we'll be hearing more throughout the day and cold weather. now we go to msnbc's true main lee, also in wisconsin. you've got those three donald trump events scheduled. the first in racine. we were talking about this also in the context of potential protesters, which is something that has been, of course, a theme in trump events around the country. what are you seeing today? >> reporter: despite the fact that the race for the 42 delegates is heating up, mighty cold, snowing. you can see behind me the line
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is already beginning to form on this side. now on this had side we have police officers gathering, as well, as you mentioned, protests. not only have we not seen the long lines waiting for donald trump to speak, we haven't seen any protesters. you can see over here, there's about a half block cordoned off where police say that if there are any protesters, they will be cordoned off in that area. but, again, one thing that is different, even from the beginning of the week in janesville, where six people were arrested inside of the holiday inn. they kind of chained themselves together as part of a preprotest the day before donald trump's rally. and that day of the rally, dozens and dozens of proeftsz, anti trump protesters shouting and chanting per usual. also an incident where a 15-year-old girl slugged or pushed an older man who she claimed groped her. another pepper spray in the face. in milwaukee, a latino group came out, marched around the
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block a few times chanting by the hundreds. here the situation is different. on lake avenue, a stone's throw from lake michigan where it's cold and chilly, quiet. we are shocked how short the line is, city to city from st. louis to kansas city, youngstown, and this is what we have. ari. >> nbc's tremaine, lee. and tony, one take away there, it may be the weather or it may be the trump momentum. but our correspondents telling us just now, just this hour, there isn't necessarily the same kind of crowds. what are you seeing and what can you also tell us beyond the politics about some of the policy? because you've been keeping an eye on the voter i.d. issue. >> reporter: yeah, hey, ari. i'm outside a dmv in madison where a lot of people the path
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to the polls means a path through this building. a voter i.d. for the first time in wisconsin. it's not shaping up to be a situation favorable to donald trump. i started in milwaukee. there are three counties around milwaukee where there are staunch republican demographics and some of the greatest turnout in the nation. they started off with not a favorable view of donald trump. and after this week of controversy, comments on abortion, the cory lieuen do you ski fall out, those are sticking. women said, look, we were already iffy on donald trump, now we're more so. moving here to madison, we have been talking to union voters. this is a more progressive community that the -- the conversation here is bernie sanders or hillary clinton. and what we're seeing is an interesting split between union leadership, which would like to endorse hillary clinton, and then the rank and file everyday workers who say bernie sanders all the way, he's our guy. and it seems that latter perspective is taking the day. there have been three polls out this weekend and every poll,
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bernie sanders who had been down by double digits is now not only ahead of hillary clinton, but edging out in front quite a bit, arie. >> tony dokoupil, thanks for the update. and now we go to political analyst and former aide to rand paul, elise jordan. good morning to you. >> thanks for having me. >> we lucked out on the in-studio assignment today. we appreciate everyone slugging it out in the snow. let's start, of course, with what's overhanging this week, which is donald trump not only making one sort of extreme and ignorant statement about abortion that managed to unite the pro choice and pro life groups in opposition. but then having to clean up repeatedly and now as kerry sanders mentioning, a lot of sunday shows pretape. so before the interview, a sunday interview tomorrow where an excerpt has him going back and saying leave the law as it is, not the gop position either. >> this is a perfect storm for donald trump. it's nothing new his chauvinism,
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his borish behavior, his horrible comments against women. but it really all just collided this week with so many incidents happening with corey lewando youski being charged with assault and the ted cruz false mistress allegations that the trump camp was pushing. so many anti women incidents. and you know, right now trump is at about 75% disapproval with women. so that going into wisconsin, which is not looking good for him, and if he doesn't pull out, you know, majority of 42 ga delegates he really is going to have an impossible path to getting 1,237 delegates. and clinton the nomination. trump is not on a very good path right now. and you know, he -- yesterday went and met with the rnc and was very conciliatory. and i think it's very telling, because you know, he knows that the trend lines aren't good right now. >> how do you know he was
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conciliatory? >> that's what the rnc leaked, which i felt was the most interesting part of the story. that went the trump camp league leaking it. that was the rnc leaking the conversation. and trump didn't have much to say about what happened. which makes me think he is being on his best behavior right now because he realizes that for once he might need the rnc more than they need him. >> right. a quiet trump is an unusual trump. >> a subdued trump is a docile trump. >> let me ask like this. you're talking about the prospect that he could do so poorly that he actually would lose the nomination, which is one theory of the case. the other theory, he does very poorly but not quite poor enough to lose and becomes what "new york times" is calling a zombie candidate. damaged, but not so damaged that he loses the primary. what do you think of that concern that some republicans are voicing? >> i think that the women question is really what has pushed this into sharp focus. if he is doing that poorly with
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women, there's no chance at all that he can be a successful, general election nominee. so if he does get the nomination, if he still manages to pull it out, he is most certainly going to lose if he can't improve his standing with women. and i quite frankly think that's basically impossible. because so much damage has been done by this point. to his brand with women. >> take a listen as well. you used to work in foreign policy for the bush administration. take a listen to the president who doesn't like to do this very obvious and get into the muck of what he considers 2016, talking about this late yesterday at a nuclear summit and his views of donald trump's knowledge about world affairs. >> a person who made the statements doesn't know much about foreign policy or nuclear policy or the korean peninsula or the world generally. it came up on the sidelines, i've said before, that, you know -- people pay attention to
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american elections. what we do is really important to the rest of the world. >> what did you think of the president's remarks there? >> well, i think he was responding to donald trump's absolutely insane suggestion that we should, you know, let other countries -- that other countries -- there should be more nuclear weapons in the world. that basically an anti proliferation statement. he made this week that no one even focused on, because his comments on abortion were so baffling and horrifying. but you know, i think that it just is -- this has been one of those weeks where donald trump -- we know he knows nothing about foreign policy. we know he knows nothing about domestic policy. but he also showed he hasn't even thought out the most basic of hot-button american political issues. and that's what he thinks about abortion. >> yeah, i mean, you're making a good point in the connective tissue between the abortion question and the nuclear umbrella in asia question, which sounds like two things that would never be linked. and yet in both -- it's not just
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that donald trump took a very unusual position that even conservatives don't support. he also took both positions in a manner that reflected a complete ignorance there was even a conversation going on. in other words, since the end of world war ii, essentially, more or less, there has been an effort to try to reign in proliferation of nukes by other countries and part of that deal which is positive is for us to do the asia security so that others don't get nukes. everyone is agreed on that baseline, although there are disagreements out on the edge of how to do it. he, elise, as far as i can tell, didn't seem to know that. >> no, and he claims expertise in the proliferation issues and for a long time wanted to negotiate nuclear weapons deals. this is going back, you know, to the late '80s with reagan even. and he frequently talks about how he has an uncle at m.i.t. who has educated him but clearly hasn't educated him enough. another part of this week that i
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found about trump's schedule, he had a meeting with foreign policy advisers in washington, d.c. he named some foreign policy advisers. but he hadn't even spoken to most of them. so this week he actually sat down with them. he's doing some of the things that candidates did on day one. but that he is so far been able to avoid doing, but now, you know, it's showing his desperation that he's actually doing some of those things he really swore off in the beginning. >> right. and there are just aspects of some of what he said that may have looked like a joke earlier, that is increasingly unfunny, part of the story we're covering. talk to you again this morning. >> thanks. next, how are donald trump's many comments we have been discussing about abortion affecting women? we're digging in deeper. stay with us at msnbc, the place for politics. when you think about success, what does it look like? is it becoming a better professor by being a more adventurous student? is it one day giving your daughter
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we mentioned earlier. we want to show it to you so you can see with your own eyes. this is an interview that's not going to air until tomorrow. we have an early look. cbs "face the nation" talked to donald trump about this ongoing abortion controversy, and he managed to make new news. take a look. >> as a hypothetical. hypothetically. hypothetically. the laws are set now on abortion. and that's the way they're going to remain until they're changed. >> that's the way they're going to remain. that is also not the mainstream republican position. it is the latest of trump's attempts to try to clarify his past statements. look at the polls that suggest he'll have a lot more to do to win over women voters. here's nbc poll. 70% of women with a negative view. when republican women were asked if trump was an acceptable candidate, 47% can't see themselves supporting him and that's all before this week's
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abortion controversy. and trump's republican rivals say he's gone too far. witness ted cruz. >> being pro life, and i am unequivocally pro life, means fighting to defend the lives of every person, of every unborn child. but it also means fighting to defend the mother. and fighting to defend the precious gift that women have to give life and give birth. and so donald's notion of punishing women was just -- it was bizarre, and something with which i strongly disagree. >> here's john kasich. >> absolutely not. and i mean, do i have exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother. i'm sure donald trump will figure out a way to say he didn't say it or was misquoted. joining me, terry o'neill, staff writer for the federalist, and a professor of political science. bri, starting with you on the new comments in the cbs
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interview, there donald trump seems to be going to overcorrect, because republicans haven't argued the laws are what they are and leave it be. >> right. and the fact that he has since amended and tried to walk back that statement really just goes to show he doesn't understand the pro life position well enough at all. this is a candidate who is too busy praising the work that planned parenthood does to be able to understand what pro-lifers believe, prioritize and want. anyone who identifies as pro life really should not trust donald trump on this issue at all. and the fact that he is doing so poorly among women, just really goes to show that his statements are just completely off base and do not represent the views or the goals of the pro life movement, which, as ted cruz stated, is not just to protect the life of the unborn, but also to protect the lives and the safeties of their mothers. >> terry, speak to that. because there's obviously a long-running debate over what abortion laws should be in this country.
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but donald trump's managed to inject sort of a quick history lesson for everyone about how this works. even in the pre-roe era, '73. most did not deal with the woman as the criminal. let me read from an oregon state supreme court ruling discussing this. the crime or act prohibited performed upon the mother is not an action taken by her. the court basically stressing that oregon's anti-abortion law does not include those upon whom abortions are performed. why is that important? >> ari, i have to apologize. i wasn't able to hear what bri was saying when she was speaking. but i would just say this. you know, abortion care is on the spectrum of women's reproductive health care we need. one in three women will have an abortion by the age of 45. so when you are talking about throwing up a web of restrictions and regulations and
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indeed criminal laws, like the fetal homicide laws, to stop women from having abortions, you're really doing two things. you are preventing women from getting essential health care. >> what about the question i asked? >> sorry. go ahead. >> i said what about the question i asked? what about the fact that -- because trump is basically saying, well, this was all theory, hypothetical, so it's hard to get into the details, when, in fact, it's not a theory or a hypothetical for women who were alive before 1973. and whatever the debate over how that worked, it didn't typically involve criminal sanction for the woman herself, but a tremendous barrier. >> tremendous barriers, tremendous pain, tremendous death. women did try to self induce. yeah. no, the fact that they're -- they were not being imprisoned i think is actually not the thing that most women worry about. i will say this. today in the 21st century, we are imprisoning women who attempt abortions. there is the famous case of bay
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bay schway, patel in indiana. women blocked from accessing adequate care, attempted self abortion, and were prosecuted under what are called fetal homicide laws. so, in fact, we have now created an infrastructure that absolutely will inevitably result in women being prosecuted and imprisoned. and these are women who specifically sought health care and were unable to get it, because of the web of barriers and restrictions. >> bri, i want to give you a chance to respond to that and then get jason in. >> i don't think i properly heard the remarks that the other person said. i think there's probably some issues with the audio that i'm getting back. but just to reiterate kind of the pro life position on this issue, which is that, you know, women are also the victims of abortion, and that women -- the lives and safety of women also needs to be protected. and donald trump's statements completely do not reflect the issues or the interests of what the pro life movement is doing or trying to pursue. >> let me say, i think we are having some audio difficulty.
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so i want to apologize for that, on live tv, trying to address things they didn't hear. i will say maybe it's a metaphor for our campaigns, which sometimes feel like they're not listening very much. so if viewers are watching, give everyone a break on that. that's our end audio. jason, weigh in if you will on this, and the politics of it. we were talking about policy and law. the politics are at a key moment in donald trump's campaign, he seems to be unable to speak with clarity to a core republican issue, and politically, it's not a gotcha question to ask a republican candidate about abortion. >> right. ari, it's like the perfect april fool's joke. like trump finally did it. he offended everybody. at the same time. like this is a situation where the left is unhappy. the right is unhappy. his own campaign has to keep coming up with answers for him. this is a terrible, terrible mistake on the part of donald trump campaign-wise. and here's one of the key things i saw. you know, what's happening with his interview with john
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dickerson. when dickerson asks him candidly, where is your position, i don't want to talk about it. you can't not take a position on something this important this late into the campaign season. and this is the reason why only 30% of women have a favorable opinion of him. this is the reason why republican women don't trust him. and what trump needs to do is move off of social issues where he's always saying something dangerous and move back to talking about the economy. he's winning when he's talking about the economy and immigration. but he talks about this, he's going to hurt himself. he's going to hurt every other republican down the ballot from him in 2016. >> i think you're making an important point. this goes to whether this is about entertainment or leadership. and when you're dealing with an entertain entertainer, it's about how they make you feel. and so they make you feel entertained or excited or even angry, because some people listen to howard stern because he riles them up and you're in an interaction, right? and leadership has got to be more than that. it is about that person actually being able to do the job some in the competence in the will, lead the country, regardless of
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whether in every moment they are always fun to watch. i want to show a new ad that's coming out this week from a pro trump super pac. take a look at this. >> sure, i get -- when i say i'm voted for donald trump. i want to protect my family. paris, san bernardino, and now brussels? i want a president that will keep us safe. we need to control our borders and stop letting in dangerous people. trump will do that. and ted cruz, he wanted to let in more syrian refugees and give amnesty to illegal immigrants. that won't protect my family. donald trump will. >> bri, you write for a conservative publication. is that a strong conservative hit on cruz? >> you know, i really don't understand where they're getting their facts from. because i -- to my knowledge, ted cruz has not said any of the things mentioned in that ad. so that really is surprising to me. but i do think that the beginning of that ad is powerful and that a lot of people do feel afraid and frightened about the safety and the threat that
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migrants and terrorists pose to the united states. and as someone who is born and raised in san bernardino county, is really was shocking and unbelievable that president obama took two weeks to visit and grieve with the victims of that tragedy in san bernardino, which i was, you know, felt kind of more of a connection to in my geographic connection to it. so i think people are sick of a president who hasn't properly addressed the issue and who has censored foreign leaders from calling the actions of radical islamic terrorists and likes to, you know, censor leaders from using terms like that. so i think a lot of people are sick of seeing those kind of actions. and i think they do see donald trump as someone who is willing to call it like it is and address these issues head-on and directly. >> bri payton, terry o'neill and jason johnson, thank you for joining me this morning. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up today, fargo, north dakota, is the center of the political universe. we'll tell you why.
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(cheering) before wisconsin governor scott walker became known for his 71-day presidential campaign, he also grabbed national headlines for that big public battle with unions in his state. you may remember in 2011 a month after, he rammed through a bill that stripped public unions of collective bargaining rights. that legislation sparked those weeks-long protests, which at their height had, get this -- you may remember, 100,000 in a single day. and the 14 democrats in the state senate ultimately fled to illinois. it was a bitter and often deeply partisan fight. every republican voted in favor of the bill, except for one. dale schultz. he was actually majority leader from 2003 to 2005. and had served as a republican legislator there since 1983. he just retired last year.
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now we caught up with him in madison this week. and he said he still has plenty to say all about the state of wisconsin's politics. >> clearly, wisconsin is in a process of tremendous change. we have been historically a state where independence was valued and championed. these days what has happened is the comfort element in the republican party is sort of pushed aside independence, independent republicans and trying to create a parliamentary democracy where there is no crossing the floor. the party discipline has grown to an extreme level. and i think that's a very different wisconsin than many of us older people remember growing up in. >> that's not all. he went on to la meant the influence of big money in wisconsin and this republican talked about how it's all changed his republican party.
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>> when i got into politics, i ran as a republican, because i think it most clearly reflected who i was. but politics for me has always been a lens that you look through. it was never a straight jacket. and these days, these special interests, these business interests, are trying very hard to put a straight jacket on politics. and i think people are rebelling, and i think that's a very positive sign. >> schultz also rejecting the straight jacket of republican politics that demands a two-person race. at least that's what many conservatives have talked about. and while senator ted cruz got the big wisconsin endorsement the of governor walker, schultz says he's backing someone he actually thinks is a better fit for his state. >> i'm going to be announcing right now that i'm for governor john kasich. he is the only person in this race this next week who i think
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really gets wisconsin. >> a little news there coming straight out of the wisconsin primary. now coming up, we did send, as i've mentioned, msnbc's jacob soboroff all the way to fargo, north dakota. why? it's the center of the fight that may determine who is the republican party nominee. that's straight ahead. our cosmetics line was a hit. the orders were rushing in. i could feel our deadlines racing towards us. we didn't need a loan. we needed short-term funding fast. building 18 homes in 4 ½ months? that was a leap. but i knew i could rely on american express to help me buy those building materials. amex helped me buy the inventory i needed. our amex helped fill the orders. just like that. another step on the journey. will you be ready when growth presents itself? realize your buying power at my school could be fast. could be a blast. can't find a single thing to wear. will they be looking at my hair?
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walk us through what is happening right now at this convention. >> yeah, ari. i take this delegate hunter position very seriously. and actually, it is a very serious thing we're talking about here. we're talking about potentially 143 to 150 at the most around 200 people whose votes are outsized from the rest of the united states, frankly. the whole point of this convention, and i'm on the floor here in fargo, right now, as the mayor plays a cool video for people as the convention gets under way. is to find unbound delegates. delegates to the national convention who don't have to vote what the popular vote voted. they are vote whatever they want. there is no popular vote in north dakota, just like there isn't in the other states. wyoming, colorado, pennsylvania and u.s. territories. so what we're going to be seeing here happen over the next few days is these 25 people identified, named and sent to the convention. donald trump wants them on his side, just in case he falls short at the 1,237.
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john kasich and ted cruz are going to be here today, want to stomp him at all costs at getting those unbound delegates. >> is there an awareness of how much more initially interest there is from the party here or are folks doing their normal local thing? >> no, i think that -- well, there is a combination of that. so like i said, we're watching a video now about sales tax collection, cass county contributes 15% of the entire state sales tax contribution. this is normal parks and rec kind of stuff, for lack of a better term. but you also see great national interests from media sitting up right there. you see the unbound delegates, have a keen awareness in deciding the republican party's nominee. and the focus for all intents and purposes right now, is more on this state than it is on wisconsin. >> yeah. and as you say, look, we cover these state by state election nights, which are exciting. but as a matter of math on the path to the nomination, where
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campaign as the broadside of the barn, groups have thrown everything they have at that barn and hitting. so i spent some time talking with one of those protesters, kristen backe, and she represents that diversity, not just in her work as an organizer/protester, but as a wife. she is a white woman married to a black woman. >> for us, we see our work as a response to the call put out by stokley carmichael for white people to take up the work of shifting minds and hearts of other white people away from racism and towards racial justice. so for us moving forward, we're using trump as an opportunity to build with a mass base of white people in ways that are like large-scale but also deep. >> so kristen works for an organization called showing up for racial justice. and as she mentioned, the whole goal is to get white folks off of the sidelines and into the fight for justice. now they want to not only be kind of allies with the black
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lives matter movement and other organizations, but they want to be co conspirators, together on the front lines. she said it's so important, especially over the last year-and-a-half, the degree of protests, folks across the spectrum get involved. and as you mentioned, some of these protesters have been bloody. in st. louis, when we saw protesters and supporters literally squaring up to fight each other. you go to kansas city, main street, which is so appropriately named, on either side of the guide. protesters and supporters. protesters getting pepper sprayed. so as the level of organization is ramping up, so have been the protests. here in wisconsin, today it's -- we're not far from lake michigan. it's a cold day. the line stretches down the block, but nothing like we have seen in any other cities. if you look over on this side, across the street, police have set up a cordoned off area half a block long for any protesters. earlier i spoke with one woman a
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member of the black lives matter movement the. i haven't seen her since. it's quiet here. that is the concern. but also for those organizers, they also want to reveal the contradiction in the campaign. so they want to come out and let folks see exactly what they believe the trump campaign is all about. which they believe is violence, racism, miss original knee, et cetera. ari? >> thank you, tremaine. stay with me. ali, you are in bed with the trump campaign. that means you have been to more of these events than just about anyone, other than the trump candidate and staff. speak to what tremaine is saying. on one hand, you talk about a group that wants to take stoky carmichael's message, the conversation around police brutality and seek a platform for that. that is fair game. many think that's a great thing. that's activism. yet on the other hand, if you talk to folks in these republican campaigns and the trump campaign, they say, right, then you should build your own crowd, build your own rally, not try to come hijack ours in the same sense that if an all lives
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matter movement, quote, unquote, went to take over a hillary campaign event, they might also be escorted out and conflict about that. square that circle for us. >> yeah. and so what you hear a lot of is, of course, the campaign perspective, which is we paid for this rally, it's a private rally and supporters are here to see trump. and on the other side, the protesters there saying they want to really get their message out there. they want to take a stand against what they see as negative rhetoric from the trump campaign and from trump himself. and i think something that i've been seeing, at least, you know -- i've been covering this campaign since august. what we saw was tension really starting to build once we hit 2016. and i think once we saw the early nominating contests in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, it was after that point once we got into march that the tensions that i had seen more simmering around the edges of these rallies came to be the central focal point. i think you started to see more protest organizations putting energy behind organized movements at trump rallies. and to that same point, once you
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started seeing protests become part of the bedrock of what going to a trump event meant, then you started seeing announcements being made before the rallies, for example, that would say this is a peaceful protest. the trump organization -- trump campaign trying to, you know, take early preemptive steps against anyone who might -- of course i didn't really -- >> you mentioned in new hampshire i went to an event where right beforehand in a gleeful way, the trump guys came over the loud speaker and said we will boot anyone -- they seem to be welcoming it. have they modulated that? >> it's not necessarily a welcoming. i think it's something that on the part of the trump campaign, they know it's something that's going to happen. i know that we were at a rally, for example, in burlington, development that got attention simply because of the size of venue and large amount of interest they had. there were a lot of protests there, and at the door screening people asking if they were supporting trump or not. that stopped a few of the protesters from getting in but not all. that's not a screening effort we see at every rally. at the same time, i think there are is some accepting on the
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part of both reporters that cover the campaign and campaign itself that protesters are now part of the bedrock of what a trump campaign event means. and i think i have heard that from supporters, as well. they don't like it, about but something to expect at trump rallies. >> thank you very much. next, trump running on his business record. like? is it becoming a better professor by being a more adventurous student? is it one day giving your daughter the opportunity she deserves? is it finally witnessing all the artistic wonders of the natural world? whatever your definition of success is, helping you pursue it, is ours. t-i-a-a. some say "free the whales." for them, nothing else is acceptable. but nothing could be worse for the whales. most of the orcas at seaworld were born here. sending them into the wild wouldn't be noble.
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as we have been discussing this morning, donald trump made a lot of statements about abortion in week. all under pressure to explain those frankly unusual claims that he made to chris matthews about potentially punishing women who under go abortions. if you are on the trail of trump, not following through the lens of the press, you would actually hear him try to turn the conversation back to other topics, including his business record. here he is, for example, talking to younger supporters in wisconsin about success. >> now, i'm an entrepreneur. i've been very, very successful. i built a great, great company. we can talk a little bit about success for all the young people. the old people, who knows. maybe you'll become more successful. >> a familiar message on the
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stump. where trump argues his business record is actually more relevant to running the country than any experience in public service. he uses that prism of negotiating and dealing and wheeling and dealing and all of that and says it could be relevant to basically all presidential activities from domestic policy construction to national security planning. and according to his business playbook, one thing is paramount. winning. >> frankly, i like talking about success than politics. to me, getting the great business people to endorse me is important. we will have so much winning if i get elected that you may get bored with winning. >> we have a country that doesn't win any more. our trade has taken away from us. we make the worst trade deals of any human beings maybe that ever existed. they rip us off. they take our money. they make us look like fools. nothing is presidential, except victory. victory is presidential. >> and to be fair to donald trump, a lot of primary voters
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do seem to identify with that message. even though trump has also been attacked for public bissett backs. there were his bankruptcies. there is the failure of trump airlines. there are the ongoing fraud allegations against trump university. and he first, of course, said that's where he was going to teach young people about business success. even president obama was amused by the existence of trump wine. >> has anybody bought that wine? i want to know what that wine tastes like. >> i'm sure you can find out for the right price. this week, senator elizabeth warren getting in on the action after tweeting about trump's business failures, and she knows a lot about economic policy. she went on with stephen colbert to weigh in on his favorite credential. >> why are you getting down in the school yard with donald trump? isn't this just name-calling? >> oh, look. come on. this isn't name-calling. this is taking the credentials that he claims he is running on.
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and that is his business success, and saying no buster, we're not buying that. he is not a business success. he is a business loser. >> you might say she's giving him the business. now in our next hour, we will have the latest from wisconsin, and we count down to the big primary on tuesday where trump is in trouble. also, why north dakota could be so key to the presidential race. stay with msnbc, the place for politics. why do some cash back cards keep throwing obstacles at you? first - they limit where you earn bonus cash back. then - those places change every few months? i think i'll pass... quicksilver from capital one puts nothing in your w. you simply earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. you can't dodge the question... what's in your wallet? twell what if i told you that peanuts can work for you?
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