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campaign trail, in new york today. the primary in this state now just 11 days away. it is a critical one. hillary clinton is in western new york, buffalo and rochester, earlier on. bernie sanders is holding a pair of rallies in brooklyn, here in new york city. we have got them both covered today. let's start with nbc's kristen welker. he's with the clinton campaign in buffalo. so, kristen, this has been the controversy on the democratic side now for the last couple of days. what is hillary clinton saying about bernie sanders, about his remarks, that she isn't qualified to be president? >> well, you're right, steve. this is a controversy that doesn't seem to be going away. and look, what we're seeing is that the rhetoric between these two candidates keeps getting more heated as this race gets more competitive. senator sanders clearly trying to turn the page on this whole incident, trying to backtrack from those comments. secretary clinton clearly not ready to let it go yet. and i am told her aids are still fuming over this. earlier today, she took a swipe
at senator sanders, aimed at rallying her base, undoubtedly, but dinging him for what some call was really crossing the line. take a listen to what she had to say just moments ago here in buffalo. >> you may have heard senator sanders say i'm unqualified to be president. well, seriously, seriously, i've been called a lot of thingsover the years, but unqualified has not been one of them. he finally acknowledged that, of course, he doesn't really believe that. this is all pretty silly. the question in this election should be who can actually get things done. >> reporter: steve, i asked secretary clinton if she thought gender played a role in senator sanders' comments? she declined to answer that question, but some of her surrogates, some of her supporters believe it may have played a role. and more broadly, some top democrats are concerned this whole issue, and the bitter tone
of this campaign should make it difficult to galvanize democrats around the democratic nominee once there is, in fact, a democratic nominee. now, right now, the big battle unraveling here in new york, more than 200 delegates at stake. this is, of course, secretary clinton's adopted home turf. and i can tell you a little bit about her strategy. she's going to be focusing a lot on the city, rallying minority voters, talking about her tenure as senator and focusing on upstate new york, a region that has been hit hard by the recession. so expect her to talk about jobs and the economy quite a bit in the coming days. steve? >> kristen welker with the clinton campaign. let's turn now to msnbc's kasie hunt. she's covering the sanders' campaign in brooklyn, new york. so, kasie, kristen mentioned it there. this whole thing started with bernie sanders saying hillary clinton isn't qualified. he seemed to be responding to a headline in a newspaper rather than what clinton actually said. and now today, she's saying he is qualified, after all. >> hey, steve, to that headline, and also to some cnn reporting,
that the hillary clinton campaign was going to seek to disqualify him as a presidential candidate. now, they still are at the point where that's how they think hillary clinton is going to go after bernie sanders in the trenches, over the course of the next couple of weeks, week and a half, ahead of this new york primary. they feel like her strategy is to try to make him seem as though he's not qualified to be president, and they are pointing out, privately, that hillary clinton, you know, had yet to say that he definitively, that bernie sanders was qualified. now, sanders, himself, ratcheting back the rhetoric, of course, not going so far as the to say that hillary clinton is not qualified when he talked to savannah guthrie on the "today" show, this morning, as well as our own "morning joe." and leaving it out of his stump speech here. we had a very abbreviated version of his usually campaign speech here in flat bush, in brooklyn. this is behind me the building
where senator sanders grew up. and he often talks on the trail about how he grew up in a three-room, rent-controlled apartment. this is really the foundation of the ideas and the posture that he has and is selling on the campaign trail. so, an interesting moment to come back here, to brooklyn, with him. this is, i think you can see right behind me, that is the building where senator sanders grew up. but steve, his strategy for the state of new york, this is a must-win state, really for both of these candidates, and for sanders -- take hillary clinton -- >> looks like we're having trouble with kasie hunt's picture there. in the meantime, let's go behind the country. all the democratic action in new york right now. on the republican side, a very interesting story developing in the state of colorado, where an obscure republican nominating process is causing a potentially major problem for donald trump.
the story is this. ted cruz just picked up three more delegates today in colorado, from the fifth congressional district in that state. this is on top of other delegates that cruz has also gained, in these local processes that are playing out in that state, before this weekend's state conventions. an extraordinarily complex thing. it would normally be something that doesn't make national news. but in this year, in this race, it could be the difference between donald trump getting the nomination and not. and msnbc's delegate hunter, jacob soboroff, is in colorado springs. jacob, what can you tell us what about what's going on there? >> reporter: as you said, steve, we have some breaking news here out of colorado springs, colorado. ted cruz has just added three additional delegates, two unpledged, one pledged to his already -- to the three he already won today, bringing the total to six. and overall, he's up to 15 for 15, up to 37 delegates that have been up for grabs in this state. 1 of those are pledged. we've just seen the latest
congressional district number four finish up their pitches to the audience. i want to bring in right now kendall unru. i want to ask you, how did you get on the slate? how did the ted cruz campaign find you? have you spoken with senator cruz? was there some sort of arrangement made? >> what happened is, i was active with the cruz campaign and ken buck, congressman ken buck is the state director for ted cruz, and so, there's an extreme strategic, vetting process that's involved, and we look for people who have gone before, which i've gone before, so they're able to garner votes. they also look for perhaps elected officials that can garner votes. they were also very focused this time on coalition building. we have people from the carson campaign and from the fiorina campaign that have come onboard, that are supporting ted cruz. >> let me quickly interrupt you. are you 100% onboard with ted cruz, or wow you would support another candidate if ted cruz didn't make it? >> no, and i'll tell you what being pledged to ted cruz means. what we'll do is, we're going to
the national convention, because he will make it to the national convention, and whether it's 1 ballot or 50, we vote with him until he tells us exactly what to do. >> appreciate that, kendall, nice to meet you. i want to bring in one more person here. richard mccaskill, a donald trump slated delegate in this congressional district. there's been some talk that the donald trump campaign is not particularly well organized here. do you feel like they were well organized? >> they have been very organized to this point, but they were going after people voting. and ted cruz is doing the caucus a lot better. i think what he's done in the last two days, bringing on new staff, i think donald trump is a tremendous businessman, and he has talent behind him. and i believe we need a strong president, you know, and that's why i'm going after donald trump. >> but just to be clear, do you feel like before these last couple of days, the trump campaign was not well organized for this process? because this is a crucial
process for donald trump to be able to get that 1,237 if he falls short, because of these unbound delegates. >> and i think he still will. i think he still will. i think what he was missing was the activity for the delegates that have already been selected to try to get those converted. and now he's brought in really great talent in the last few days to fix that problem. and there's still quite a few months away. >> and a couple more seconds, how did you get picked for the slate? >> i've been a donald trump fan. i went through our precinct, got voted as a delegate from our precinct. went to the will county, got approved there, and submitted for my national -- >> appreciate it, sir, richard mccaskill. we just heard from two slated delegates. one for the cruz, one for the donald trump campaign. raised a good point, donald trump, as of a couple days ago, where they had a shift in campaign staff, have not, as well organized. that's why he's cleaning up here. these 37 delegates can go a long way in order to get donald trump
that nomination if he gets them, but doesn't look that way as of right now. >> really interesting stuff right there, jacob. thanks for that report. and this is all about the stop-trump forces trying to keep him from getting those 1,237 delegates. so what would it actually take for trump to get to 1,237? what would it take for his opponents to stop him? nbc's hallie jackson has been on the cruz beat, but she's in new york today, and we're going to go on the big board and check this out. hallie, 1,237. we keep saying, this is the magic number. the only one realistically who can do this in the primary season is trump and he's sitting here at 756. we'll look ahead now and see what it would take for him to get there. >> and make the point, it's not mathematically impossible for him yet, but it's highly unlikely he needs 88% to win out. he's looking at a contested convention, too. >> so trump wants to cross the finish line, so let's see what it would take.
756. i should be able to do this. >> big board magic. >> hallie, i'm having a disaster here. okay, 756. now we can start. that's where trump is right now. new york's next. 95 delegates. what do you say when you look at this? >> i see this area, western new york, buffalo, this region where ted cruz will try to peel off some delegates from donald trump. the trump campaign aides tell me looking obviously to get above 50% to take all the delegateses and sweep new york. that is not what ted cruz wants to see. he's going to be playing in some of these districts that are more conservative and have a small number of republicans to try to take some support from trump. zpr and the rule is if you cross 50% from any district, you get all three from that district. and the target here for trump is at least 80 out of the state and they would like to get more than that if they can. >> that's the next one. and then a week after that, these are the states that are going to vote. this is the end of this month, the northeast primary. one thing we should flag for people. if this is a little confusing, there are 17 delegates up for grabs in pennsylvania if you win the state. these 54, they're unbound
delegates. they'll go to the convention as free agents. this is all you can win in the primary. what do you see here? >> this is all i'm looking at. this is where ted cruz is going to play. i would not be surprised to see him do some campaigning and really push. he's talked about it explicitly. states where he believe his wisconsin win and his campaign believes that shows he can win with a more moderate conservative, with a wider variety of conservative, not just that evangelical social conservative, like what we saw in, for example, his first win in iowa. >> and if you're trump and trying to get to that number, that 1,237, what you need out of here, you need to win in pennsylvania, most of these in maryland, this is a winner-take-all in delaware, need 20 or many here. the win in rhode island. if it all goes your way if you're trump, you can get another 100 out of here. that would be the target for him. >> which is a great number for him. the campaign believes it the lock up that 1,237 with maybe 1,300 delegates now. which is a little less than they predicted a couple of months
ago, but that's what they're aiming for. >> that would take us to the end of this month, and then we would have a five-week sprint in may and june. so from cruz's standpoint, what do you see? >> here's the states you're looking at. first, i think you're going to see them, they're going to do very well in montana. do very well in new mexico. south dakota, and then the big one, and the interesting one, california here. the cruz campaign believes, according to aids, that they will get at least 55% of the delegates in california. california is funny. i spoke with a republican operative there who said it's basically like 53 really small elections, because of the way the districts are set up in california. 170 delegates at stake. it is a huge prize. you know, publicly, they'll say 55%. i think, privately, the campaign believes they could get closer to two-thirds. that is a challenge when you look at the electorate. there was that poll out, you and i were talking about this yesterday. that showed that cruz is actually pretty strong in some of these l.a. county districts, places that may not seem like a natural fit at first glance. and while trump is leading in polling, at least on the top
number, when you drill down, it's district by district in california. it all comes down to june 7th. and i want to mention one more state, and it's this one. indiana. >> the wild card. >> the sleeper. >> the big wild card. this is the thing in indiana. you see 57 here. if you win the state, you get 30 of them. then you've got nine congressional districts, okay, three delegates each. if you're donald trump and win indiana by 1% and get 30, you probably win at least four of those districts. you're looking at 42 delegates or more. if you lose the state by a point, you could have like six. >> to pull out -- and what you're saying, in the nitty-gritty, when you look at it more broadly, the tiniest shift, the littlest swing is going to matter an enormous amount in indiana, and that is why, i think, it's going to be really key, as we head into the rest of the primary calendar. >> that's on may 3rd. a couple of other things to look at. this is new jersey, the last day, winner take all. looks like a trump state. west virginia, another one that looks good for trump. the other thing, though, that i point everybody out to here is if donald trump finishes all
this short of 1,237, but close. so 1,237 is the number, let's say he got to like 1210. he's short, but then there's this. the unbound delegates. we talked about it a minute ago. pennsylvania is sending some, north dakota, they could be the ultimate wild card. >> and that is such a key factor here, steve. because what you're seeing, and i think jacob highlighted that with his reporting out in colorado, is that these unbound delegates are now kind of the bells of the ball, right? the campaigns are targeting and courting these delegates like none other. if it's within a hundred delegates or maybe less, that could swing if we end up going to a second ballot. the cruz campaign could point to or is pointing to its data operation. they're going to let them know what these delegates like, that they donate like, what matters to them. and how they could convince them to go to cruz. if it goes to a second ballot. the trump campaign kind of betting all the marbles that won't have to happen. >> i think if you're one of those unbound delegates and donald trump is short, you might
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rivals, both her democratic rival and her potential republican opponents. here's that conversation. >> when you looked a to the calendar eight months ago, and saw april 19th, could you imagine back then that this could be anything but a finish line and it's kind of turned into a firewall? >> you know, matt, i said from the very beginning, this is going to be a tough contest all the way through and i did it because i remember '08. you know, i went the distance with then senator obama and that's the way primaries develop. >> you have lost seven of the last eight contests and you can tell how much is at take, but the exchanges between you and senator sanders are heating up. you talked about him. someone asked you, was he ready to be president, you said, i think he hasn't done his homework. i think he's been talking for more than a year about things that he obviously hadn't really studied or understood. do you think in some ways that
senator sanders proposed some things early in this campaign that he didn't think he would stick around long enough to actually have to defend? >> well, you'll have to ask him. but what i was referring to there was the very long interview that he did with the "new york daily news." and i think a lot of people were quite taken aback that on key issues that he has been promoting during the entire campaign. >> breaking up banks. >> breaking up banks, foreign policy issues. that he did have some questionable answers. >> he doesn't think you're qualified to be president. >> well, that will be up to the voters of new york and the other states that will be passing jupt in the weeks ahead. i think it's kind of a silly statement, but he's free to say whatever he chooses. >> is he qualified to be president? >> here's what i believe. i believe that voters will be looking at both of us, but i will take bernie sanders over donald trump or ted cruz anytime. >> has senator sanders in your
opinion said or done anything during the course of this campaign, or during the course of his career in the senate, that disqualifies him from being president of the united states? >> i never said that about him. >> i know, i'm asking. >> i know. i never said that about him. his response to me was a misrepresentation of what i've said, but also a kind of historic amnesia, because on all of those issues, he supported president obama, he supported joe biden as our vice presidential candidate and supported john kerry when he ran. and each one of them has, according to him, not been qualified. but i think in the heat of the campaign, people say lots of things. >> wisconsin was last week. i want to talk to you about some of the results, some of the information we received in exit polls. and some of these things keep repeating after certain contests. bernie sanders got 82% of the votes from people under the age of 30. 89% of people said they thought bernie sanders was, basically,
honest. 58% said that about you. and this struck me. you are running to become, perhaps, an historic candidate. >> yes. >> perhaps the first woman to be elected president. >> right. >> and right now if you look at wisconsin, you basically split the women's vote with senator sanders. when you lay in bed at night, how do you get your arms around that? >> i just think about it from a much broader perspective. i lost wisconsin to senator obama by an even bigger margin. i am absolutely confident, matt, that if i'm so fortunate, as to secure the democratic nomination, we will unify the democratic party, all parts of it. and i know that young people have been really caught up in senator sanders' campaign. and i think that's terrific. because the more young people we can bring into the process, particularly into the democratic primary process, the better. >> let me share some conversations i've had with republicans. and if i say to somebody on the republican side, aren't you
nervous about what's happening with this campaign and this division and what might happen to the convention, do you know what i hear a lot? they are clinging to the hope that the way they'll be able to deal with that is that at some point between now and the election, and they say this, they say this, this they will get to see hillary clinton in handcuffs. >> oh, my goodness! >> that there will be some kind of political perp walk based on your private e-mail server. >> well, matt, i know they live in that world of fantasy and hope, because they've got a mess on their hands on the republican side. that is not going to happen. there is not even the remotest chance that is going to happen. but, look, they've been ask me, as i say, for 25 years. and they have said things about me repeatedly that have been proven to be not only false, but kind of ridiculous. >> but you're a lawyer, you're a lawyer, so how do you see this ending? do you think the fbi and the justice department writes you a letter and say it was a misunderstanding, or, sorry, carry on?
>> well, we're certainly going to carry on. i think it's a security review. it is a security review. and there are lots of those that are conducted in our government, all the time. and you don't hear about most of them. you'll hear about this one, because, you know, it does involve me. so that's why it gets so much attention. but i will tell you, sitting here in the bronx, in this cafe, we're moving forward, the republicans' fondest wishes will not be fulfilled. >> all right. that was hillary clinton with matt lauer. coming up shortly, we're going to hear from bernie sanders in his own exclusive msnbc interview today. but up next, new developments to tell you about in terror attacks overseas. it involves both paris and brussels. ayman mohyeldin will join us next with all of the latest. why do so many businesses rely on the us postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business.
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arrest in brussels, one that is connected to the paris terrorist attacks. >> the investigation is in order to determine if mohamed abrini is or is not the third person present during the attacks at the belgian airport. >> nbc's foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin is here with all the details. what do you know? >> this was a pretty significant development. we heard from the belgian federal prosecutor, announcing several arrests taking place in brussels. the significant one really coming from the naming of one of these individuals, mohamed abrini. mohamed abrini was wanted in connection with the paris attacks. belgian officials now confirms he has, in fact, been arrested. what we don't know yet, and this is the key part to his connection, was he the man in the white jacket in the bucket hat that police have been looking for? that individual, there's surveillance video of him at both the airport and immediately after the airport that was released by belgian police. they have been asking the public for any information in trying to
identify who this man is. the man known as the guy in the white jacket in that dark bucket hat. footage of him leaving the scene near the airport has had police in pursuit of him for the past several weeks. they have not been able to determine if that's him or not yet. that's what they're trying to determine today. but, what they do know is that mohamed abrini was involved in the paris attacks, because he was seen two days before the paris attacks, with another suspect. salah abdelslam, who's already been arrested. the two of them were spotted in a car at a gas station. that car was later used in the paris attacks. his dna and his fingerprints were found in that vehicle. so they now have at least identified and have captured the remaining two suspects that were involved in the paris attacks. a lot of intelligence can come out of the interrogation of these two individuals about possible networks, how they managed to pull off these attacks, and whether or not they knew anything specifically about the attacks that took place in brussels on march 22nd. steve? >> ayman mohyeldin, thank you
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open convention. i wonder if we'll be thinking sympathetic very different in three weeks if he wins big in new york and sweeps the northeast. what do you think about that. >> i think the latter point is the real life answer here. a lot of folks were just relying on this wall in wisconsin to slow donald trump's, you know, surge to the nomination but they forgot there were other states after wisconsin. and one of those states right now, new york. he is going to win big in new york. the welcome that ted cruz got yesterday over the last couple of days in ng s in new york ha epic, to say the least. donald trump is now retooling his operation. he's finally getting, he's actually got to run a presidential campaign and i think he's set about to do that. look for the northeast to be very friendly for him from maryland on up to connecticut. and then he swings out to the middle of the country. he may not do as hot there, but that's okay. the west coast is waiting for him. and i think your projections, the ones i've been recounting to
people, probably the closest to reality, 40 to 75 delegate votes short going into cleveland. >> what about the role then, paul manfort, the guy trump is bringing in to run the delegate operation, to have a delegate operation. the unique thing is trump's a front-runner. he does not have the organization of a front-runner. is it too little, though, to put that kind of organization together and play catch-up on the delegate-hunting front with ted cruz? >> that's going to be a real challenge. and i think that's a very valid question to ask. the campaign will probably finesse answering that a bit, but that's a harsh reality for the campaign. that's why, now, amassing these delegates at the ballot box is going to be the most crucial part of this campaign. because they're getting eaten away at by what happens after the election is over. when it's actually time to lock those delegates in, on that second and later ballot. so i think that that's a real critical question for the campaign. manifort knows he has his hands
full, which is why he wants to have direct access to the candidate. why he wants to drill into donald trump what's at stake here. >> what's at stake, he's such a public figure, but few people seem to know what the inner circle is. what's your run on donald trump bringing in an insider to run this organization? is trump capable of bringing somebody in and giving somebody else that kind of power? the kind of latitude that paul manifort would need to really do this job? >> he better be. if he wants to be the nominee of the republican party, he better be. because the one thing you cannot take away from the cruz campaign, they have one of the best, most effective ground game operations i have seen, period, bar none. it is precise, it's well-tuned, and if you're going to go up against that, you're going to need smart, capable operatives, who have largely been outside of your orbit come in to help you re-write this ship, and move it
in the direction that can do two things. one, grab those available delegates that are still out there. and two, go steal some if you need them, and hold on to the ones you've got. that's what manifort's going to be there to do. >> and i keep this is a test for donald trump as a potential nominee. obviously he needs this operation to get this delegates, to get the nomination. but is this also a chance for him to prove to republicans, maybe that republican establishment, that he can run a real organization, a real campaign. >> yeah. that's a very good point, steve. everywhere else about donald trump has been sort of flash in the pan, the bright, shiny object. but politics, as you know, is a very methodical, slow, sometimes, you know, nail-biting process. which requires a lot of attention and a lot of detail. he's got to show he can do that. that gives comfort to those quarters, to let them know, yeah, you can trust me to go ahead and be your nominee. i'm not going to go flying off the wall. i'll put the ground game that's going to be necessary to defeat hillary clinton come november. >> you mentioned a minute ago, you think the best estimate is
trump will end up a little bit short, maybe 30, 40, 50 short at the end of this. but that would leave that question of these unbound delegates who are out there. do you think in that situation, if he's 40 short, he clearly has the most votes, clearly has the most delegates, the most states. does that create pressure on those unbound delegates, enough of those unbound delegates to come to him anyway and say, look, the guy basically won? >> oh, yeah, absolutely. it is going to be hard, very hard, to deny him the nomination if he's 40, let's say 40 delegates, 50 delegates short of getting it. and those unbound delegates will play a big role there for him. keep in mind, chuck, a lot of people are talking like this is going to be a static process once california is played out its cards. it's not going to be. you're going to see donald trump and ted cruz and even john kasich in that window between the end of the primary season in california and the beginning of the convention in cleveland working those delegate counts hard. and if donald trump is within just a shot of getting those
delegates, those unbound delegates, grabbing delegates who are kind of on the fence, all of that's going to be in play in this period. plus, negotiating with those other two counterparts, to see what deal he can get to secure the nomination on the first ballot. >> former rnc chairman, michael steele, thanks for the time. >> you got it, buddy. >> and this sunday only on "meet the press," chuck todd will sit down with paul manafort, the man we've been talking about. he's been tasked with securing enough delegates for donald trump to secure enough delegates to get the nomination. and new york becomes the center of the political universe as hillary clinton and donald trump home a little home court advantage can go a long way. you've finally earned enough reward miles on your airline credit card. now you just book a seat, right? not quite. sometimes those seats are out of reach, costing an outrageous number of miles.
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presidential candidates in their own words. earlier, we played a little bit of hillary clinton talking to matt lauer. now, here's senator bernie sanders on this network, earlier today, trying to explain what worked in wisconsin and michigan and what his strategy is going to be going forward. >> you know what i loved about wisconsin is, you won by 13 points, right? huge win. and then you had a couple of days to just kind of sit back and relax. just take it all in, bernie. isn't that crazy? you win there. a huge win! but then you're catapulted straight into the big apple. >> what i liked about wisconsin is we won in almost every county in the state, right across the board. that was pretty good. >> what happened there? what worked there that worked in michigan as well? >> it is a smaller state. not a very small state. we had the opportunity to go out and talk to tens of thousands of people. last week alone, we had rallies with 35,000 people came out. so i think we do well when we
can speak to people in a, in a meaningful way. not in a three-second sound bite. we're up there for an hour talking to people and answering questions. it works pretty well. >> you get to stay focused, too. you don't have to go to fund-raisers. you don't have to deal with that whole side of things. >> let me say that we don't do a whole lot of those. we've been extraordinarily lucky. i have not done a quote/unquote fund-raiser. >> we always joke that you cough and raise a million dollars. >> excuse me, time out. berniesanders.com. >> there you go! >> let me just say, as a former colleague, i did it as a favor. >> it's incredible! now, listen, there are -- i think that a lot of people turned heads a little bit with the "daily news" interview. the interview with the "new york daily news." some answers, they felt you came up short, especially on your main answers. i am literally taking the "daily news" interview and borrowing
from this great interview. so by what authority and how would you go about breaking up the largest financial institutions in the country? >> all right, you ready for the answers? >> i'm ready! i want to hear it. >> you can do it in a couple of ways. one, you use section 121 of the dodd/frank legislation. number two, better, and i would prefer it, pass my legislation. and with my legislation, the legislation that i've introduced says that the secretary of the treasury will have the authority to investigate and determine which banks pose systemic risk to our economy. ie, if they are too big to fail, they could bring down a significant part of the economy. and then within a period of time, the secretary can break them up. >> so, so let me ask you that. by definition, right, i'm going to upset a lot of my friends, but bank of america. >> yes. >> jpmorgan. >> yep. >> you can go down the list,
citi. >> yep. >> if any one of those banks went under tomorrow, i don't care what anybody says. we'd be bailing them out again. >> yes. >> i don't care what the legislation says. >> that's right. >> you've been there, i've been there. >> of course. >> they stick a gun to your head and they say, you either vote yes or the entire economy -- >> exactly. >> why are we still in this position -- >> this guy gave a better answer than i did. >> it's maddening! >> by the way, joe, three out of the four largest banks in this country today are bigger than we bailed them out because they were too big to fail. that's point number one. point number two is that when you have six financial institutions that today have assets of about -- equivalent to about 58% of the gdp of this country, they issue two-thirds of the credit cards and one-third of the mortgages, don't you think that's a hell of a lot of economic and political -- >> no one's going to let them go
under. >> so another "new york daily news," the great paper's question, what does a bank like jpmorgan look like in year two of the sanders' administration? >> what i said is, after they're broken up, that is their decision to refigure how they want to do it. it's not the government's business. we tell you, you can't be this big, it's too much of a danger. go from there. >> is there a parallel between what the government did to the bells back in the '70s and '80s and what you do to the banks? >> i think so. said you're too big. >> would you concede, senator sanders, that wall street banks do play on important role in the united states economy, no matter what their size are, in terms of employing people, managing people ee's pensions, public pensions, in fact. how do you reconcile their position. >> they play -- when they are that big, when they issue the top six banks two-thirds of the credit cards and a third of the mortgages, by definition, they play an enormous role. i think what you have got to say is are they playing the kind of role that we need for small and
medium-sized businesses. in terms of providing the affordable credit that those businesses need to expand. and i think the answer is no. much of what wall street is about is figuring out how we can make more profits for themselves. in many ways, they're an island unto themselves and come up with all these crazy, esoteric tools nobody really understands. the goals, i guess i'm pretty conservative and i believe in old-fashioned boring banking. you make a deposit and make a loan. the small and medium-sized businesses, the consumers who want to buy a home want to buy a car. that's kind of my definition of what banking should be about. >> do you think it's good to have wall street banks managing public pensions, for example? >> i think that's an important role for them to play. >> that was bernie sanders right here on "morning joe" earlier this morning. now here is julia boorstin and she has the cnbc market wrap. >> thanks so much. markets closing higher today. the dow gaining 35 points. the s&p 500 adding about 6 and the nasdaq higher by more than 2
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this is brilliant for me. the next big contest for both parties, the new york primary just 11 days away. donald trump is expected to win his home state handedly. that hasn't stopped his two rivals from campaigning hard here in new york. they are looking for delegates. ted cruz slammed for his now infamous line about new york values when he ventured into the bronx, but he did get a warmer welcome in upstate new york.
on the democratic side, meanwhile, bernie sanders defending his qualifications to run for office, and spending the morning hit back at his opponent in a media blitz today. hillary clinton is getting support from her husband, former president bill clinton, who said that maybe her qualifications wouldn't be an issue if she were a man. here to talk about all of that and more, the executive director for the basel state republican party. let's start with you. so hillary clinton is not originally from new york, but this is her political home. she came here as a first lady, set up shot, won two elections to the u.s. senate. how big of a problem is it for her if she can't win new york in 2016? >> i think it would be a big problem, but in the state party
and among her supporters on the ground, and i think listening to her supporters on the ground, there was also an expectation that she would be campaigning hard here in the state close to the primary, because she invested a lot of time, a lot of support building a political infrastructure here to support a lot of campaigns that were going to go on in the state during her tenure, and subsequent to that. so i think the ability and desire to come back home, reinvigorate the base is something i think we all sort of expected to happen. and by the way -- from a lot of different parts of the state, she's got a tremendous amount of support. so i don't think there's a problem per se, and i don't think some people are saying that she's nervous or whatever the case is. but when you have seen her out there, someone who's campaigning really hard among people that she at one point called her neighbors.
>> but has the persistence of sanders and his support surprised you at all. there's been expectations all along, especially when hillary clinton had the big wins in the south, that sanders would stay in this race, but be more of a niche candidate. we're looking at polls, new york or california today, that have him within striking distance in all these states. >> if you have a candidate that's raising $44 million in the month of march, $44 or $45 million in the month of february, that's a candidate with some staying power. i fully expected at the beginning of all of this that it would be a tough campaign. a lot of folks were using the term inevitability and i never really said that or believed that. this was always going to be a hard-fought battle for this nomination and the fact that bernie sanders is staying involved and engaged, raising the money, still building a tremendous amount of support on
the ground, i think that helps everybody, and as head of the state party in new york, this is something that i want to see. i want to see everybody engaged on the ground, because that really helps us with the local races we care about later this year. >> susan, on the republican side, it's been a long time since new york republicans had one of their own candidates to vote for in a race for president. you have to go back to nelson rockefeller, probably. is there a sense of pride among republicans in new york? is there a sense of pride in, he's a new yorker and here he is running for wpresident? >> i think there is. and he stood up to ted cruz on those new york values when he came back and did that most recent valley on long island. he brought that line up again and it hurt ted cruz and it is very effective. plus, new yorkers like when they're picking a republican candidate, they tend to like people who come from the business world. so he has that also going, you know, for him. that being said, there are goung to be a lot of places where cruz or kasich can actually pick you have a congressional district
here or there, because the districts are so small. take new york city, for example, where you may end up winning a congressional district with 600 votes. >> you have these districts that are overwhelmingly democratic. but in this republican math, they are the same importance of a big republican district. they all get three delegates if you can break 50%. cruz versus kasich, which one is better positioned here? >> it almost doesn't matter, if they each get a certain amount to keep donald trump under 50. so that's really what the game -- it's not to game the delegates, as much as it to keep trump under 50. they can each appeal to their sector of republicans, whether it's kasich, the more moderate, down-state republicans, or ted cruz, the upstate republicans. so they can actually each take a little and it doesn't matter, because it's about stopping trump getting -- taking a clean sweep. >> and basel, we only have a few seconds left here. but hillary clinton, it's been a while since she ran in new york. has she stayed in close touch with party leaders here? >> she certainly has stayed in close touch with party leaders
and clergy members, with a lot of just community leaders across the state. and that's going back to what i was saying before. you know, her coming back here to campaign is something i think everyone expected her to do and the kind of support she's getting on the trail shows that she's maintained these really close contacted. >> all right, thanks, appreciate that. that does it for this hour. i'm steve kornacki and "mtp daily" with chuck todd starts now. >> if it's friday, everybody's working for the weekend. everybody wants a little romance, at least with delegates. and everybody's going off the deep end. because everybody needs a second or a third or a fourth chance. this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now.